Map Size Thread

[AceHigh11]

Hey everybody, listen.

That photo of the rolled up map does not look like an actual phto of the map. It looks photoshopped as f*ck.

Therefor the scales are way off.

This is a good point.

thank you!lol these goofy bastards on this thread are ridiculous! they f*cking assume everything! "due to my calculations rockstar showed us 27.8984635% of a rolled up map at an angle of 45 degrees to the southwest..." shut the f*ck up already! heres a thought... ill open it up when i get the game... ill bet i get a damn good look at that map then!

Best summary of this thread. This is ALSO another reason why I think Rockstar shouldn't reveal so much info, because it only gives complainers something to gripe about. Yes, I know it's a forum, but how much more can you beat a subject to death? This looks like it will EASILY be the greatest map of ANY game ever developed on a console. However, that simply isn't good enough for a measly $60. They want next gen type of graphics, physics and content, without accepting that there is a limit to how much money you can pour into a product before it becomes unprofitable.

Even knowing that this small group only makes up 22% of people dissatisfied with Los Santos, they STILL don't think they are being ridiculous with their expectations.

The sane people here just try to figure out the size of LS with the info already given to us. Deffpony and others did a great job. If you don't like that, you are simply in the wrong thread.

[Eutyphro]

 

The sane people here just try to figure out the size of LS with the info already given to us. Deffpony and others did a great job. If you don't like that, you are simply in the wrong thread.

His criticism of the complainers is pretty legit though.

[AceHigh11]

The sane people here just try to figure out the size of LS with the info already given to us. Deffpony and others did a great job. If you don't like that, you are simply in the wrong thread.

His criticism of the complainers is pretty legit though.

I agree with that. But not everyone complains. Some posts in this thread are over the top.

Remember GKP's post saying "SMALL CITY" 50 times?

[GTAaLEX117]

The sane people here just try to figure out the size of LS with the info already given to us. Deffpony and others did a great job. If you don't like that, you are simply in the wrong thread.

His criticism of the complainers is pretty legit though.

I agree with that. But not everyone complains. Some posts in this thread are over the top.

Remember GKP's post saying "SMALL CITY" 50 times?

Whatever happened to GKP? Was he banned or was this his day off from trolling?

[AceHigh11]

The sane people here just try to figure out the size of LS with the info already given to us. Deffpony and others did a great job. If you don't like that, you are simply in the wrong thread.

His criticism of the complainers is pretty legit though.

I agree with that. But not everyone complains. Some posts in this thread are over the top.

Remember GKP's post saying "SMALL CITY" 50 times?

Whatever happened to GKP? Was he banned or was this his day off from trolling?

He took the day off to pre-order the collector's edition of GTA V in town.

[73duster]

Hey everybody, listen.

That photo of the rolled up map does not look like an actual phto of the map. It looks photoshopped as f*ck.

Therefor the scales are way off.

This is a good point.

thank you!lol these goofy bastards on this thread are ridiculous! they f*cking assume everything! "due to my calculations rockstar showed us 27.8984635% of a rolled up map at an angle of 45 degrees to the southwest..." shut the f*ck up already! heres a thought... ill open it up when i get the game... ill bet i get a damn good look at that map then!

Best summary of this thread. This is ALSO another reason why I think Rockstar shouldn't reveal so much info, because it only gives complainers something to gripe about. Yes, I know it's a forum, but how much more can you beat a subject to death? This looks like it will EASILY be the greatest map of ANY game ever developed on a console. However, that simply isn't good enough for a measly $60. They want next gen type of graphics, physics and content, without accepting that there is a limit to how much money you can pour into a product before it becomes unprofitable.

Even knowing that this small group only makes up 22% of people dissatisfied with Los Santos, they STILL don't think they are being ridiculous with their expectations.

The sane people here just try to figure out the size of LS with the info already given to us. Deffpony and others did a great job. If you don't like that, you are simply in the wrong thread.

"SANE" people don't make calculations based on numbers pulled out of their asses. I actually like some of the comparisons, because they are interesting, but they become ridiculous when people try to claim that they are in any way ACCURATE.

I don't need your permission to give my opinion about this thread. For you to insinuate that anyone who doesn't like their creations doesn't belong here is just as ridiculous as these calculations.

[TheDeaconBosco]

The sane people here just try to figure out the size of LS with the info already given to us. Deffpony and others did a great job. If you don't like that, you are simply in the wrong thread.

His criticism of the complainers is pretty legit though.

I agree with that. But not everyone complains. Some posts in this thread are over the top.

Remember GKP's post saying "SMALL CITY" 50 times?

Whatever happened to GKP? Was he banned or was this his day off from trolling?

Lol, you just gave me the image of GKP trying to escape his map related frustrations by taking a nice day off at Disneyland.

 

When suddenly this plays.

 

 

 

Hilarity ensues.

 

 

[AceHigh11]

@73duster:

"numbers pulled out of their asses" When you don't agree with a calculation, you only have to point out the mistake. You never have to believe any calculation or comparison because you can check it out yourself.

I simply meant: if you don't like people calculating/estimating the size of LS, you shouldn't be here. This is the topic where people throw comparisons and calculations around.

[Andreas]

 

"SANE" people don't make calculations based on numbers pulled out of their asses. I actually like some of the comparisons, because they are interesting, but they become ridiculous when people try to claim that they are in any way ACCURATE.

There is no reason to not believe that these kinds of calculations are accurate. They are not necessarily accurate if the only thing you have is a blue print map as it is currently the case with GTA V, but they are accurate if you have the actual game to do in-game measurements. One mile is one mile, one kilometer is one kilometer, and so on. You either have to scale the maps yourself to get results that are as accurate as possible or they are already scaled correctly to each other. GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption do have the same scale; they are scaled in one meter per pixel resolution. The numbers are by no means "pulled out of the ass".

[allftw]

 

Someone should scale everything down so the runway width is the same. That would eh a pretty good comparison IMO

It has already been done. Here:

 

 

I think this is the most accurate comparison.

[Game2048]

I think that it's more than obvious that on both pics, size of Liberty City pic is too big. Very different scale. Roads, "free space" between them, and in general.

 

 

[Game2048]

nvm

[AceHigh11]

I think that it's more than obvious that on both pics, size of Liberty City pic is too big. Very different scale. Roads, "free space" between them, and in general.

That's what I instinctively feel as well. But if the Bank Tower in LS will be scaled 1:1 in height, that's what you get.

[YouthGamer]

Let me throw in my two cents, since the Liberty city map is the only city, the map looks big and zoomed in. But since we have a country side in this and the map is HUGE containing multiple geography , the city is squished in the map to fit it properly. Like if liberty city was in the map instead of LS then it would look about the same size.

[Deffpony]

 

Looking at it again, I think the roads are also a bit off in that one. The highway that runs through downtown LS is 8 lanes, bigger than any highway/bridge in LC.

Like I said previously, we cant use visual aids as a form of reference because of inconsistencies with perspective and whatnot.

 

But to give your guys reasoning a shot I decided to do this:

 

First lets assume that this screenshot:

 

 

Takes place at this point on the map:

 

 

Then lets estimate that the 8 lanes plus some space between in this shot is close to the same size as the Los Santos street:

 

 

I made the size of these areas roughly equal:

 

This is 370ft, the annotation didnt copy for some reason Also, the measurement spot was done on the two white lines, not the blue block, wrong screen grab.

 

 

 

 

Here is the scale

 

 

 

Compared to my previously obtained scale:

 

 

Its fairly close to the same. About a 5%-10% difference.

Edited May 26, 2013 by deffpony

[Game2048]

Let me throw in my two cents, since the Liberty city map is the only city, the map looks big and zoomed in. But since we have a country side in this and the map is HUGE containing multiple geography , the city is squished in the map to fit it properly. Like if liberty city was in the map instead of LS then it would look about the same size.

Perhaps, perhaps...It's hard to say if it's optical illusion. But possible

[copperrobber]

 

Looking at it again, I think the roads are also a bit off in that one. The highway that runs through downtown LS is 8 lanes, bigger than any highway/bridge in LC.

Like I said previously, we cant use visual aids as a form of reference because of inconsistencies with perspective and whatnot.

 

But to give your guys reasoning a shot I decided to do this:

 

First lets assume that this screenshot:

 

pic

 

Takes place at this point on the map:

 

pic

 

Then lets estimate that the 8 lanes plus some space between in this shot is close to the same size as the Los Santos street:

 

pic

 

I made the size of these areas roughly equal:

 

This is 370ft, the annotation didnt copy for some reason Also, the measurement spot was done on the two white lines, not the blue block, wrong screen grab.

pic

 

pic

 

pic

 

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Here is the scale

 

pic

 

pic

 

Compared to my previously obtained scale:

 

pic

 

Its fairly close to the same. About a 5%-10% difference.

 

nice calculating man !

[GTAaLEX117]

Nice work Deff. Do you mind telling me, in the version you got using the street view, how long the length of the airports in both cities are?

I want to know the scale so I can do a comparison by cramming the islands together better.

[Deffpony]

Here is a bunch of comparisons.

 

Brian's scale using the runways

 

 

My scale using the streets

 

 

My scale using the building models

 

 

Bakerachs scale

 

 

Edit: Now that I look at it I would say it is between my model referenced scale and Brians airport reference scale.

Edited May 26, 2013 by deffpony

[Deffpony]

@Lexi: The length of the shorther runway in LC is 4980ft and width is 200f

 

The length of the visible runway in LS is about 4000ft and width is about 300ft. Its hard to tell though because does it start at the white lines or the edge of the black

[73duster]

Has ANYONE considered that maybe a new York city block is not as big as a Los Angeles block? I'm not saying they are different, but it IS possible is it not?

[Deffpony]

Has ANYONE considered that maybe a new York city block is not as big as a Los Angeles block? I'm not saying they are different, but it IS possible is it not?

That what I have been saying. Blocks and streets arent really accurate to use as references.

 

Yea it might look a bit off comparing the street/block sizes, but its just not reliable.

[countrymike84]

 

Speaking of scale: not only increased the total area, but the individual streets and neighborhoods of Los Santos. Some sidewalks in the game is now wider than the street from the past. In this city you can really get lost

 

Taken from a recent Russian preview

[Deffpony]

Speaking of scale: not only increased the total area, but the individual streets and neighborhoods of Los Santos. Some sidewalks in the game is now wider than the street from the past. In this city you can really get lost

 

Taken from a recent Russian preview

Once again, these are just impressions.

 

GI stated that LS is larger than LC, and we have determined that while it MIGHT be about the same size, it is definitely not larger.

[73duster]

Also, different airports have different sized runways too.

[Eutyphro]

 

GI stated that LS is larger than LC, and we have determined that while it MIGHT be about the same size, it is definitely not larger.

You made some estimates based on unverified assumptions and maps that are mashed together, cut off at the ends and taken from photoshopped pictures.

They are interesting estimates but they don't determine anything.

[Deffpony]

I think the fact that we now have 3 scales that are about 10-15% within eachother, we have an accurate assumption of the scale of Los Santos

[Deffpony]

 

GI stated that LS is larger than LC, and we have determined that while it MIGHT be about the same size, it is definitely not larger.

You made some estimates based on unverified assumptions and maps that are mashed together, cut off at the ends and taken from photoshopped pictures.

They are interesting estimates but they don't determine anything.

I think using scaled building models, character models, and even perceived street/runway sizes is a better way to determine the size than someone watching the game be played for a few minutes, and then comparing it to a game they probably havent played in a year or so.

 

Our estimations are always going to be better than almost any magazine. We are the die hard fans

 

 

f*ck I meant to edit my last post, sorry for dbl posting

[ZeeKid2k10]

Streets Map

 

 

Manhattan NYC

 

 

L.A near beach area

 

 

 

 

NYC expect for State Island the Blocks are close to each other and dense

 

L.A they are close but not as dense as NYC

Edited May 26, 2013 by ZeeKid2k10

[Eutyphro]

GI stated that LS is larger than LC, and we have determined that while it MIGHT be about the same size, it is definitely not larger.

You made some estimates based on unverified assumptions and maps that are mashed together, cut off at the ends and taken from photoshopped pictures.

They are interesting estimates but they don't determine anything.

I think using scaled building models, character models, and even perceived street/runway sizes is a better way to determine the size than someone watching the game be played for a few minutes, and then comparing it to a game they probably havent played in a year or so.

 

Our estimations are always going to be better than almost any magazine. We are the die hard fans

 

 

f*ck I meant to edit my last post, sorry for dbl posting

I think you should have a full map in confirmed correct scale, not a photoshopped mashed together one from multiple pictures which is cut off at the ends, then use car sizes to compare it. Then compare the landmass of Liberty City compared to the landmass of Los Santos compared to a car that is in both games. (or a better method, I'm not technical, but I do understand what good proof is)

 

I do think your estimate is good enough to say Los Santos has a very similar size, but I don't think you can claim that it is certain that it is smaller. It's just not exact enough for that, sorry. Still very interesting though.