Quantcast
Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
    1. Welcome to GTAForums!   (86,006 visits to this link)

    2. News

    1. GTA Online

      1. Find Lobbies & Players
      2. Guides & Strategies
      3. Vehicles
      4. Content Creator
      5. Help & Support
    2. Crews

      1. Events
      2. Recruitment
    1. Grand Theft Auto Series

    2. GTA Next

    3. GTA V

      1. PC
      2. Guides & Strategies
      3. Help & Support
    4. GTA IV

      1. Episodes from Liberty City
      2. Multiplayer
      3. Guides & Strategies
      4. Help & Support
      5. GTA Mods
    5. GTA Chinatown Wars

    6. GTA Vice City Stories

    7. GTA Liberty City Stories

    8. GTA San Andreas

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    9. GTA Vice City

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    10. GTA III

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    11. Top Down Games

      1. GTA Advance
      2. GTA 2
      3. GTA
    12. Wiki

      1. Merchandising
    1. GTA Modding

      1. GTA V
      2. GTA IV
      3. GTA III, VC & SA
      4. Tutorials
    2. Mod Showroom

      1. Scripts & Plugins
      2. Maps
      3. Total Conversions
      4. Vehicles
      5. Textures
      6. Characters
      7. Tools
      8. Other
      9. Workshop
    3. Featured Mods

      1. DYOM
      2. OpenIV
      3. GTA: Underground
      4. GTA: Liberty City
      5. GTA: State of Liberty
    1. Red Dead Redemption 2

    2. Red Dead Redemption

    3. Rockstar Games

    1. Off-Topic

      1. General Chat
      2. Gaming
      3. Technology
      4. Programming
      5. Movies & TV
      6. Music
      7. Sports
      8. Vehicles
    2. Expression

      1. Graphics / Visual Arts
      2. GFX Requests & Tutorials
      3. Writers' Discussion
      4. Debates & Discussion
    1. Forum Support

    2. Site Suggestions

Boss7dm

Map Size Thread

Recommended Posts

ALeSsAnDrO
Kifflom, thats just it...ironically I know the rest of the game will be excellent ..its the size that for me, affects the believability of being in a big city.

 

A 45 second drive from mission briefing to bank robbery or assassination mission (in the city missions) is just a bit of a copout and something the series has suffered from for 15 years.

 

Red - actually I am of the opinion that V will be smoother and have less microstuttering than IV. The 2nd trailer looks good.

 

You know one day a company will have the balls to produce a real life LA in a game. The tech from Luxoflux ( now defunct) mapped real life sat data and created an enormous metropolis (True Crime) . No the dynamics of the game weren't that good (animations etc) but the scale !...your bored !you say your supposed to be playing a gangster with patience, guile, character and maturity and you cant drive for 15 minutes to a mission !

 

A corporate goliath with shareholders and an impatient prepubescent fan base will always cater for the majority, the ignorant ie COD playing 'average' gamers. People who play sim type games or who are older WOULD love a giant , true scale city to explore. I want to get lost and I do not want novelty or excitement around every corner. Repetitive , anonymous streets are the heart of US cities and 'skipping' that content is a shame as its the SCALE of US cities that give them their soul.

 

Real life city sizes WILL be the future.

I guarantee you that if someday someone makes a game with a real size city and real life gameplay (15 or more min from point A to point B) that game is going to tank hard.

I'm all for a realistic sized metropolis but not without the usual commodities in gaming (fast travel/fast cars/arcadey gameplay).

If I wanna get bored and punish myself with poor game mechanics I'll go play some Skyrim or Fallout.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GKP

True crime didnt 'tank' it was somewhat successful.

 

The thing is you could have both. True scaled cities AND fast travel options. Wheres the harm ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GTAfan786

People are underestimating the size. Look how much detail is in one part of LS, imagine how big the full city is. Sure in comparable size it might not be bigger than LC, but it will feel much bigger due to the vast detail and active environment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Official General
People are underestimating the size. Look how much detail is in one part of LS, imagine how big the full city is. Sure in comparable size it might not be bigger than LC, but it will feel much bigger due to the vast detail and active environment.

Sorry mate, but I just cannot see Los Santos in GTA V still feeling like a very big place if it's not even bigger than Liberty City in GTA IV. That would be very disappointing, if LS was a bit smaller than LC. I'm pretty sure Los Angeles is bigger than New York City according to landmass in real life too, so that would make it an even bigger fail.

 

I'm only underestimating the size of LC due to what I can see from the images. I hope LS is very big the end for sure, but I'll just have to wait and see.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GTAfan786

 

People are underestimating the size. Look how much detail is in one part of LS, imagine how big the full city is. Sure in comparable size it might not be bigger than LC, but it will feel much bigger due to the vast detail and active environment.

Sorry mate, but I just cannot see Los Santos in GTA V still feeling like a very big place if it's not even bigger than Liberty City in GTA IV. That would be very disappointing, if LS was a bit smaller than LC. I'm pretty sure Los Angeles is bigger than New York City according to landmass in real life too, so that would make it an even bigger fail.

 

I'm only underestimating the size of LC due to what I can see from the images. I hope LS is very big the end for sure, but I'll just have to wait and see.

LA is not that bigger than NYC. NYC is just about bigger with over 8 million people living there even though its crammed up really, while LA has just about 5 million people living there. Land Mass wise, they are almost equal. Don't expect LS to be so big that there won't be space for countryside, deserts and so on.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
iNero

I watched this one. It looks pretty big on the first view. But if u watch closely its a bit weird.

Looks like there are way less buildings and pretty bug lanes. Idk why but somehow it looks like its not much bigger than original los santos.

 

 

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/746498128037.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GTAfan786

 

I watched this one. It looks pretty big on the first view. But if u watch closely its a bit weird.

Looks like there are way less buildings and pretty bug lanes. Idk why but somehow it looks like its not much bigger than original los santos.

 

 

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/746498128037.jpg

The game is still not finished you know, since there is 5 more months, they will surely improve something. Besides the way they've taken the pics suggest that there is more than meets the eye. Basically, i doubt they've even showed us the other part.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Official General

 

People are underestimating the size. Look how much detail is in one part of LS, imagine how big the full city is. Sure in comparable size it might not be bigger than LC, but it will feel much bigger due to the vast detail and active environment.

Sorry mate, but I just cannot see Los Santos in GTA V still feeling like a very big place if it's not even bigger than Liberty City in GTA IV. That would be very disappointing, if LS was a bit smaller than LC. I'm pretty sure Los Angeles is bigger than New York City according to landmass in real life too, so that would make it an even bigger fail.

 

I'm only underestimating the size of LC due to what I can see from the images. I hope LS is very big the end for sure, but I'll just have to wait and see.

LA is not that bigger than NYC. NYC is just about bigger with over 8 million people living there even though its crammed up really, while LA has just about 5 million people living there. Land Mass wise, they are almost equal. Don't expect LS to be so big that there won't be space for countryside, deserts and so on.

My, oh my facedesk.gif

 

Do you know the difference between city size in population and city size in landmass ? I'm sure you do, so please don't act stupid. And I did stress landmass, what is wrong with people on this site, either they can't read or they chose not to read properly. I did not mention the population.

 

LA is considerably bigger than NYC in terms of landmass, in a significant way. Check the facts yourself and see.

Edited by Official General

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ALeSsAnDrO
True crime didnt 'tank' it was somewhat successful.

 

The thing is you could have both. True scaled cities AND fast travel options. Wheres the harm ?

I remember that the True Crime character models and motion captured movement were quite good for that time. It was an ambitious project. The city was huge, too bad it looked so bad and played worse.

If someone makes a real size city with all the great details, that feels alive, with time cycle, weather changes and so on, without sacrificing what we have for granted as good gameplay, i'm really all for it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GKP

Looks like its just the 3 of us who would buy it !

 

Original LS is only bit smaller than LS in V. That should not be the case.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
73duster

1- The city is pretty F'ING big.

2- Everyone is judging the map size by the limited amount of screenshots we've received.

The bottom line is, Rockstar has repeatedly stated that they don't want to reveal everything because they don't want to spoil the game. It doesn't make sense to me that we have seen everything, because the environment is quite possibly the single most important aspect of this game. I'm excited because we HAVE been shown a huge amount of screenshots that cover a vast landscape. So just imagine what we HAVEN'T seen.................

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Kifflom112
Original LS is only bit smaller than LS in V.

Well'p, I'm done. rolleyes.gif It seems some of you are just frikkin' loopy and thus it's not worth arguing with you all. Not after this...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
kesta195

Consider the fact that the SF valley may still be in the game, as we have not seen the area directly behind the observatory yet. If this is the case you can add AT LEAST 30% to the size so far.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
JonRenemy

http://s7.postimg.org/fubjw164r/gtav_LS_wide.jpg

 

I removed the barrel distortion which gives us a much clearer view overall of just how FAR away this photo is being taken from, and just how MASSIVE the city still feels even after you take that into consideration.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Darrel

The city is not small, at all. Look at this.

 

This image right here. You see the observatory to the right. but you cannot even see the vinewood hill. And to the left you cannot see all of the hills which end at the beach.

 

user posted image

 

 

Now this screen i captured showes that you can now see where the hills end to the left at the beach but the observatory is out of the frame.

 

user posted image

 

 

To me this shows a view close to street level gives us a better feel of how big the map is. You cannot even see the vinewood sign here or let alone all that

space to the left of the sign which you can see at the end of trailer 2 where the jet is attacking the choppers.

Edited by Darrel

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
FJT2123

We still have barely seen any of East LS. The city is going to be huge so shaddup

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
TimeLordDoctor

Looking at Los santos from here

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/2012/11/15/gta-...kjpg-19d2fa.jpg

Is not like looking at Los santos from here

user posted image

That is a huge highway like 8 lanes for the highway! GTA IV nor gta sa had that!

 

The street view of Los santos is bigger than a high point of view of los santos.

Itsl like looking at gta sa from the top, and then actually driving it from Los santos docks to bayside took a good few minutes even in a hot ring racer/ or nrg-500!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Deffpony

I hate to be that negative guy, but I just dont see LS being too big, which is a shame. What seems odd to me is that Downtown LS is MAYBE roughly the size of LC, and the whole map is IV+RDR+SA. That means that the countryside is RDR+SA. That just seems like too much country side. Sure there will be small towns, but hopefully they arent like the baron wasteland towns of SA where there was absolutely nothing in these towns

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ChillyPhilly

Can anyone work out the height of V's version of the US Bank Tower?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Official General

 

I hate to be that negative guy, but I just dont see LS being too big, which is a shame. What seems odd to me is that Downtown LS is MAYBE roughly the size of LC, and the whole map is IV+RDR+SA. That means that the countryside is RDR+SA. That just seems like too much country side. Sure there will be small towns, but hopefully they arent like the baron wasteland towns of SA where there was absolutely nothing in these towns

This is the same point I have made a good number of times on here. The screenshots of GTA V so far show how nicely detailed the city of Los Santos looks, and that is great. But at the same time, the images do not show me that LS looks very big and that is my honest view right now. I can only go by what my eyes can see, and the fact many people agree and have discussed this many times shows there is a good reason why I hold this view. When I first saw Liberty City in GTA IV, the place looked huge from the outset, and I just don't get that feeling this time around for V.

 

Then we've got others on here who stupidly keep on yelling to us how that whole map in V will be huge and we have not seen it all yet - IT IS THE CITY that we are saying looks small, not the whole f*cking map, please get that into your titanium thick skulls.

Edited by Official General

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Agni

Have you been to LA before? The actual city, as in the downtown area, is tiny as hell compared to the sprawl around it. I'm not surprised Los Santos is pretty small as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Deffpony
Have you been to LA before? The actual city, as in the downtown area, is tiny as hell compared to the sprawl around it. I'm not surprised Los Santos is pretty small as well.

All I am saying is that if they are going to do one city rather than 2 or three, the one downtown portion of the game should be big, so that it feels like a city.

 

Im still hoping that there is alot to dowtown that we havent seen, but from what we have seen, it looks kind of small. Dan Houser talked about wanting to do a "sprawling" city, and this just doesnt give that vibe.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
iNero
I hate to be that negative guy, but I just dont see LS being too big, which is a shame. What seems odd to me is that Downtown LS is MAYBE roughly the size of LC, and the whole map is IV+RDR+SA. That means that the countryside is RDR+SA. That just seems like too much country side. Sure there will be small towns, but hopefully they arent like the baron wasteland towns of SA where there was absolutely nothing in these towns

Thats what I said. Even when los santos in V is bigger than in Sam Andreas, the countryside and desert part would be just wayyyy too huge. They would have to fill it with alot of stuff. But when watching screens from above like trevor jumping out of the car or the photo viewer pic, it seems like the countryside isnt that populated or filled.

 

Predictiins are that there are a few little cities in the desert but ti get to them u have to drive a while through empty desert. Like from san fierro to las venturas. Only special thing between was the little airport. At least i cant remember much more. Some oil stuff maybe.

 

 

Well, maybe there is some more behind the mountain row where the train drives through. I hope there is. Otherwise the mountains would be the map limit and u cant fly over them. Which also means u cant fly around them which is also pretty weird. But considering that its oritented on los angeles, i doubt that its an island and we cant fly over

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Agni

By "sprawling city", I am almost certain he's referring to the huge amount of suburban sprawl in LA. Real life LA's downtown is simply not that big, but there's a town of stuff OUTSIDE of it. I'm not worried about the size at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Deffpony
By "sprawling city", I am almost certain he's referring to the huge amount of suburban sprawl in LA. Real life LA's downtown is simply not that big, but there's a town of stuff OUTSIDE of it. I'm not worried about the size at all.

But where is the sprawling suburb. As far as I can tell, once the city surrounding hit the hillsides, there not much suburbs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Choco Taco
user posted image

 

I removed the barrel distortion which gives us a much clearer view overall of just how FAR away this photo is being taken from, and just how MASSIVE the city still feels even after you take that into consideration.

Why did you stretch the bottom ends out instead of pushing the top ends in?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
wallis
By "sprawling city", I am almost certain he's referring to the huge amount of suburban sprawl in LA. Real life LA's downtown is simply not that big, but there's a town of stuff OUTSIDE of it. I'm not worried about the size at all.

But where is the sprawling suburb. As far as I can tell, once the city surrounding hit the hillsides, there not much suburbs

Exactly. I'm sorry I don't know how to post a picture. There's a screenshot showing Trevor climbing the Vinewood sign. In the background you can see the river and bridges next to downtown and the suburbs to the east. They don't look real big. They look sort of rural and the hills behind that are bare. This area looks like the city limits to the east and represents the Riverside area. So once you drive from downtown over the bridge there only seems to be a small suburb with a few spaced out houses.

We can see how far the downtown area is from the ocean at Santa Monica Peir in several screenshots. It's not real big. Looks like a one minute drive on the freeway.

Then there's the Observatory view to the docks. This seems to be the one concerning most. The downtown skyline to the docks is what I'm most concerned about. There's nothing in between. Where's South Central? Watts, Compton, Longbeach? This area makes up 80% of the real LA basin area. Check it out on Google Maps. Downtown to the docks is vast, but non existant in R*'s version.

The only places that aren't visible so far is north, over the hills behind Beverly Hills and the northeast Pasadena area. But this area is only a quarter of the size of the main city basin area that we can see in the observatory screenshots, so I'm not expecting too much there.

When I first seen the observatory screenshots I was a little excited, thinking if it's this small there must be more cities, SF, LV. They've been ruled out, but the city still seems small.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GKP

Anyone notice how those who think the city is small give reasons and those who are happy just point to individual photos from ground level (which of course would make a 500 yard distance seem huge).

 

LS in V is smaller than the real life LAX (which is about 5 sq miles). That doesn't sit right with me.

 

The beach is half a mile away from downtown...

 

You wont be able to DO a great deal up mountains. The city was an essential part of the game and they gave us a small one. (Small) meaning you can cross its in a couple of minutes in a car .

 

We wont be able to go on those infamous LA car chases for more than 2 minutes (unless you go in circles)..is that your 'perfection' at play R* ?

 

This is Sprawl and WOULD of been possible if R* added in some suburbs allowing long city drives.

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ddBOrv9aSxE/TkwE...0/LA+Sprawl.jpg

 

http://southseasmall.com/img/los_angeles_downtown.jpg

 

Real life LA downtown is huge and shows a 'forest' of skyscrapers.

 

 

Compare the above with R*'s pathetic representation and tell me your happy . Only those mature enough to give reasons reply.

Edited by GKP

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
GTAaLEX117

 

Anyone notice how those who think the city is small give reasons and those who are happy just point to individual photos from ground level (which of course would make a 500 yard distance seem huge).

 

LS in V is smaller than the real life LAX (which is about 5 sq miles). That doesn't sit right with me.

 

The beach is half a mile away from downtown...

 

You wont be able to DO a great deal up mountains. The city was an essential part of the game and they gave us a small one. (Small) meaning you can cross its in a couple of minutes in a car .

 

We wont be able to go on those infamous LA car chases for more than 2 minutes (unless you go in circles)..is that your 'perfection' at play R* ?

 

This is Sprawl and WOULD of been possible if R* added in some suburbs allowing long city drives.

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ddBOrv9aSxE/TkwE...0/LA+Sprawl.jpg

 

http://southseasmall.com/img/los_angeles_downtown.jpg

 

Real life LA downtown is huge and shows a 'forest' of skyscrapers.

 

 

Compare the above with R*'s pathetic representation and tell me your happy . Only those mature enough to give reasons reply.

Here's the thing, LA is an incredibly big city, but something that big just just wouldn't work on this console generation. They don't have time, and they also do not want to. They want countryside, we, the large majority of the fanbase, also want countryside, we're tired of cities. Liberty City was big, but it was incredibly boring to travel across because most of the city just looked the same. This is the 10th time I told you this. Complaining won't get you anything, you automatically assume that you saw the whole city from these couple of screenshots, so it's not even valid criticism or complaining. You want a mature response? Stop complaining and wait until the game comes out! If not then just don't buy it. The community will be a lot better of without complainers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×

Important Information

By using GTAForums.com, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.