How to fix airborne evasion

[Deffpony]

In GTA IV it's impossible to lose a significant wanted level in a helicopter. Even before you take off, the moment you enter a chopper the search radius centers on your location.

 

On one hand this is a great way of eliminating a cheap way out of losing the cops everytime.

 

But in reality you should be able to use flight to your advantage in evading police.

 

I think that they should change the system a bit so that when you enter a plane or helicopter you have a chance to escape. What ways do you think they could improve this??

[Red XIII]

I remember once in L.A I broke into some dudes mansion killed his family, then I waited for the cops to come and I killed a few of them. To my luck out of the patio doors was a runway with a shamal parked up, I quickly jumped in and took off, police saw me take off and described the plane I was flying to all nearby police stations. The feds then quickly informed the military that there was a madman on the loose in a distinctive jet, the police then described the jet to the military and in the blink of an eye there was a fighter jet quick on my tail.

 

the only way to evade the police in an aircraft is to make sure they don't see you take off.

[r0eladn]

They should get rid of it, the impossibility of evading cops when in the air.

 

How is simple, you can only be spotted, and thus the only way the center of the radius changes to your current position, is by air units. So they dont have infinite range of sight.

[Deffpony]

I was thinking that maybe instead they could just send a few aircraft after you whenever you are airborne. So if you take off in a chopper two helicopters immediately pursue. The only way to get away is to shoot them down and hope another one doesnt pop up.

 

Same goes for planes.

[SmoothGetaway]

I know what you're saying and hopefully the bigger map will help out with this. However I do like a challenge, and I do expect not only pursuit by air but by by conventional ground units as well.

[GarrowsKai]

I think when in a helicopter the police still pursue you as normal, however you are a bit easier to spot (as a high up helicopter is visible from quite far away) so it's harder to evade them but not impossible! Also only the police helicopter can properly chase you and if you land it takes a few minutes for other police to arrive, giving you a chance to escape that way. The police helicopter could also have a limited flight time so you don't always have it hovering over you when you land.

 

Getting in a plane however could be a different situation. As most planes are significantly faster than most helicopters, as well as the possible terrorist threat, the police will call off the chase and the military will be informed. Fighter jets will be scrambled and move in to intercept. It would take a few minutes for them to arrive however giving you a chance to bail out or land somewhere and escape (bailing out would make it easier as they wouldn't know exactly where to start looking for you and may think you died when the plane went down, unlike if you land the plane). Staying in the air will cause the fighter jets to come along side and order you to land at the military base to be arrested (maybe a line would appear on the mini-map that you have to follow), failure to comply will cause them to shoot you down. If you yourself are in a fighter jet or armed helicopter they will open fire immediately.

Edited March 21, 2013 by GarrowsKai

[Kushi_Pete]

For me it was easy to get the cops off my tale with a helicopter. I hope there is a sewer system in LS so that U can get rid of the cops by driving in the sewer systems.

[Patrizio]

What intrigues me is whether the inclusion of aircraft mean the military simply HAVE to return?

[RedShotBR]

Well, this actually has logic (being impossible to lose the cops with a chopper). Helicopters, like any other aircraft, has a registration code on it's tail. Also, remember that there were helicopters flying everywhere in LC? Police could emit a city-wide signal to report this specific helicopter through it's transponder signal. The airport's control tower could easily keep an eye on you 24/7 and report to the police about it.

 

But if they introduce the ability to turn off your transponder in GTA V, law enforcement would have to rely on eye-reports to know your current whereabouts. So, you could just fly into an inhabitated zone of the map (fly to the sea and the boats will spot you if you're flying low enough) and you lose the cops.

[Deffpony]

Military is confirmed. I pm d you back about that buddy

 

@Above: yea but you can turn your IFF off and even your TCAS if you are trying to avoid detection.

[Revolution-XW]

This gave me an idea about evading cops while on foot or flying.

 

Hitman has a signal bar when you're near enemies, this would be a great addition to the game imo when evading the cops, using a similar signal bar like the one in Hitman.

 

When you get in an alley behind a trash 'box' the alerted bar status starts to fade away, this could change the star feature or keep the star and just make them shade away one by one, but have a bar or something that tells you when you're hidden.

 

It could be for cops only, or missions too.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Revolution-XW

[RedShotBR]

Military is confirmed. I pm d you back about that buddy

 

@Above: yea but you can turn your IFF off and even your TCAS if you are trying to avoid detection.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Police in GTA IV likely bases itself on the signals your chopper is transmitting to know your position. If Trevor has this ability (given that he's a retired air force pilot), it would be intresteing to see what could happen.

 

Or even better, he could use his air force experience to fool the controllers, sort of like an special ability exclusive to him.

[rodrich266]

In GTA IV it's impossible to lose a significant wanted level in a helicopter. Even before you take off, the moment you enter a chopper the search radius centers on your location.

 

On one hand this is a great way of eliminating a cheap way out of losing the cops everytime.

 

But in reality you should be able to use flight to your advantage in evading police.

 

I think that they should change the system a bit so that when you enter a plane or helicopter you have a chance to escape. What ways do you think they could improve this??

Well, in TBoGT I used aircraft as the main escape vehicle.

 

I always headed towards the waterway between Alderny and Algonquin ascended the furthest I could and then jumped off my buzzard with a parachute on. The police search radius of six stars was centered around the chopper and with my parachute opened I simply landed on the old mansion hilltop and lost the cops in less than 30 seconds

[THEREALRIK]

This gave me an idea about evading cops while on foot or flying.

 

Hitman has a signal bar when you're near enemies, this would be a great addition to the game imo when evading the cops, using a similar signal bar like the one in Hitman.

 

When you get in an alley behind a trash 'box' the alerted bar status starts to fade away, this could change the star feature or keep the star and just make them shade away one by one, but have a bar or something that tells you when you're hidden.

 

It could be for cops only, or missions too.

That would be an interesting idea, i think if R* includes this properly it could make it a lot more fun to evade the cops.

 

Also my initial thought to this was what deffpony said before:

 

 

I was thinking that maybe instead they could just send a few aircraft after you whenever you are airborne. So if you take off in a chopper two helicopters immediately pursue. The only way to get away is to shoot them down and hope another one doesnt pop up.

 

 

i think this is the simplest way R* could do it and it would be fun to have to shoot down the choppers or jets they send after me to escape.

[AtomicPunk]

In GTA IV it's impossible to lose a significant wanted level in a helicopter. Even before you take off, the moment you enter a chopper the search radius centers on your location.

 

On one hand this is a great way of eliminating a cheap way out of losing the cops everytime.

 

But in reality you should be able to use flight to your advantage in evading police.

 

I think that they should change the system a bit so that when you enter a plane or helicopter you have a chance to escape. What ways do you think they could improve this??

I don't think the search radius should stop 'til you jump out of it because they can track you with radar. I don't know, I'm open to anything.

[r0eladn]

I don't know, I'm open to anything.

Getting assraped by a dog?

[RoadRunner71]

Flying at a low altutide, under the radar detection range. This also would make the escape more difficult and fun, since you'd have to dodge props such as trees, poles, and sh*t like that (imagine flying through Zancudo River canyon, avoiding hit the mountain, water and going under bridges).

[GarrowsKai]

Flying at a low altutide, under the radar detection range. This also would make the escape more difficult and fun, since you'd have to dodge props such as trees, poles, and sh*t like that (imagine flying through Zancudo River canyon, avoiding hit the mountain, water and going under bridges).

Just so long as it doesn't have the SA problem of trees not rendering when you're in a Hydra, causing you to explode in a big fireball!

[RoadRunner71]

Flying at a low altutide, under the radar detection range. This also would make the escape more difficult and fun, since you'd have to dodge props such as trees, poles, and sh*t like that (imagine flying through Zancudo River canyon, avoiding hit the mountain, water and going under bridges).

Just so long as it doesn't have the SA problem of trees not rendering when you're in a Hydra, causing you to explode in a big fireball!

Even more thrilling, then

[hinti21]

Yeahh...maybe...whatever...?

[Deffpony]

As stated before, there are definitely ways to turn off the avionics that allow an aircraft to be tracked. But it takes a bit of knowledge about aircrafts to know to do such a thing. Something Trevor has. So as someone said, if he had the ability to turn off the equiptment so that he wasnt tracked it would be a great advantage.

 

Other important factors in aerial evasion would be

• Avoid the airport due to ATC radar
• Avoid flying over highly populated areas
• Fly at either extremely high altitudes or very low, therefore visual detection is limited

[AtomicPunk]

 

I don't know, I'm open to anything.

Getting assraped by a dog?

Nah. I'm not into kosher porn.

 

Lemme rephrase that;

I'm open to *almost* anything. But nothing beastiality. If you jump out of a heli and land on a horse or donkey, the horse or donkey must be right-side-up.

 

Edited March 22, 2013 by AtomicPunk

[Celticfang]

As stated before, there are definitely ways to turn off the avionics that allow an aircraft to be tracked. But it takes a bit of knowledge about aircrafts to know to do such a thing. Something Trevor has. So as someone said, if he had the ability to turn off the equiptment so that he wasnt tracked it would be a great advantage.

 

Other important factors in aerial evasion would be

• Avoid the airport due to ATC radar
• Avoid flying over highly populated areas
• Fly at either extremely high altitudes or very low, therefore visual detection is limited

Fly at speed also, i.e. the faster you go, the harder it is for anyone to spot you

 

However, as regards the radar idea..

 

SA had that in a mission for Toreno

[abottig]

In addition to the "wanted area" there should be a "visibility" indicator.

 

You're in the air in your chopper, cops can see you. But, if you drop down behind a building or mountain, the "wanted area" will remain around you, but since you are not "visible" the police don't know where you are. It is then on you to escape the "wanted area" without being seen by police.

[Deffpony]

In addition to the "wanted area" there should be a "visibility" indicator.

 

You're in the air in your chopper, cops can see you. But, if you drop down behind a building or mountain, the "wanted area" will remain around you, but since you are not "visible" the police don't know where you are. It is then on you to escape the "wanted area" without being seen by police.

Yes this would be another great use of the line of sight feature we have all wanted