evoluon--720 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 EXACTLY, I want to see the modern day version where most members actually want to break away from that sh*t, I want to see modern gangs done right, not the panto crap that was Grove Street and Ballas! well ofcourse the gangs will be renewed and refined idiot! they may even change the history of the gangs- cj and the old crew may be easter eggs- but the street gang will still exist in a new light. it only makes since.. gang culture isnt a concept- its real life sh*t and rockstar is basing their game on real life los angeles...why would they make new gangs with the same damn colors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 why would they make new gangs with the same damn colors? Because seriously, what other colours can they use? Blue and Red are pretty much off limits, Dark Purple and Green seems a better compromise. And again, I welcome a new version of LA Street Gangs, I don't want the game to be focused on them, that sh*t's boring, this is GTA V not San Andreas 2: YO DAWG WE HEARD YOU LIKE 90s GANGS, I want Rockstar to focus on the stuff they didn't do in San Andreas, we're already on track with Michael being a master thief and wanting to do heists, etc, so that's one part of the potential done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Bill Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 why would they make new gangs with the same damn colors? Because seriously, what other colours can they use? Blue and Red are pretty much off limits, Dark Purple and Green seems a better compromise. And again, I welcome a new version of LA Street Gangs, I don't want the game to be focused on them, that sh*t's boring, this is GTA V not San Andreas 2: YO DAWG WE HEARD YOU LIKE 90s GANGS, I want Rockstar to focus on the stuff they didn't do in San Andreas, we're already on track with Michael being a master thief and wanting to do heists, etc, so that's one part of the potential done. It's been confirmed that the game will be based on all three characters performing heists and things. There was never any question about gangs being the focus. It's already confirmed. The question being raised is whether they will use the same names for the various gangs ie Ballas and Families. Nobody's suggesting that they should change the story of the game or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 why would they make new gangs with the same damn colors? Because seriously, what other colours can they use? Blue and Red are pretty much off limits, Dark Purple and Green seems a better compromise. And again, I welcome a new version of LA Street Gangs, I don't want the game to be focused on them, that sh*t's boring, this is GTA V not San Andreas 2: YO DAWG WE HEARD YOU LIKE 90s GANGS, I want Rockstar to focus on the stuff they didn't do in San Andreas, we're already on track with Michael being a master thief and wanting to do heists, etc, so that's one part of the potential done. Well if you want the colours to stay dark purple and Green, then there will be alot of SA fans looking for CJ and calling them grove and ballas, not me personally, but there will be many who will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Bill Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Why would they use the same colours though and not still use the terms Families and Ballas? That would just seem weird. they have to keep those basic 'groups' of gangs. Although they obviously won't have Grove Street Families, or Rollin Heights Ballas or any of those. They would be named after new streets in the new LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 The question being raised is whether they will use the same names for the various gangs ie Ballas and Families. Nobody's suggesting that they should change the story of the game or anything. And I'm saying they wouldn't. It just wouldn't make sense. In GTA IV Rockstar didn't bring back any gangs, they instead made new ones based on the reality one, from the five families right down to the street gangs and biker gangs, and they gave every one of them a detailed history, leaders, co-leaders, founders, years they got together, men in charge, police records, etc, etc. Why would they do all that for one game, and the next, which they've been working on for years now, just go, OH, LET'S USE BALLAS AND GROVE STREET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Bill Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 The question being raised is whether they will use the same names for the various gangs ie Ballas and Families. Nobody's suggesting that they should change the story of the game or anything. And I'm saying they wouldn't. It just wouldn't make sense. In GTA IV Rockstar didn't bring back any gangs, they instead made new ones based on the reality one, from the five families right down to the street gangs and biker gangs, and they gave every one of them a detailed history, leaders, co-leaders, founders, years they got together, men in charge, police records, etc, etc. Why would they do all that for one game, and the next, which they've been working on for years now, just go, OH, LET'S USE BALLAS AND GROVE STREET! Because the Liberty City gangs in III were just generic gangs. they weren't based on extensive research of real life gangs, whereas the Families and Ballas were. They have real life counterparts, and we are back in that area which is also closely based on it's real life counterpart. They didn't have to address any of the III gangs, but to not address the bloods and crips in LS, would be a glaring omission, given that it aims to accurately portray reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 The question being raised is whether they will use the same names for the various gangs ie Ballas and Families. Nobody's suggesting that they should change the story of the game or anything. And I'm saying they wouldn't. It just wouldn't make sense. In GTA IV Rockstar didn't bring back any gangs, they instead made new ones based on the reality one, from the five families right down to the street gangs and biker gangs, and they gave every one of them a detailed history, leaders, co-leaders, founders, years they got together, men in charge, police records, etc, etc. Why would they do all that for one game, and the next, which they've been working on for years now, just go, OH, LET'S USE BALLAS AND GROVE STREET! So Instead they're like, "let's make detailed gangs WITH BALLAS AND GROVE COLOURS!" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evoluon--720 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 And I'm saying they wouldn't. It just wouldn't make sense. In GTA IV Rockstar didn't bring back any gangs, they instead made new ones based on the reality one, from the five families right down to the street gangs and biker gangs, and they gave every one of them a detailed history, leaders, co-leaders, founders, years they got together, men in charge, police records, etc, etc. Why would they do all that for one game, and the next, which they've been working on for years now, just go, OH, LET'S USE BALLAS AND GROVE STREET! You mentioned mafia families. .Mob families arent as distinctive as street gangs. i think it would be smart to continue the gangs.. oh well-we'll see. i see evidence that points towards their return. Ive never seen Rockstar throw in easter eggs in trailer for the the f*ck of it... again,we'll see in 5-6 months. ill make sure this thread is bookmarked so i can say "I told you so" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 ,we'll see in 5-6 months. ill make sure this thread is bookmarked so i can say "I told you so" Unless it gets locked like most do after the release of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Because the Liberty City gangs in III were just generic gangs. And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evoluon--720 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. dude what is your IQ? Grove St and Ballas were clear reenactments of the Crips and Bloods. Its not about being a fanboy. its about making since.. though rockstar said the games take place in different universes-they still carry on franchises and certain aspects that help the story grow.. Rolling Heights Ballas are based on Rollin 60's crips Grove Street Families is based on Inglwoood Families (blood gang) so it makes since if they bring these gangs back for the purpose of gang life and culture.. im done yall Edited March 21, 2013 by evoluon--720 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Because the Liberty City gangs in III were just generic gangs. And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. If they are same colours but a different gang, people will still believe it some sort of code as to it being GSFs and Ballas. But atleast you're still all for the Idea of Gangs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDayz Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. dude what is your IQ? Grove St and Ballas were clear reenactments of the Crips and Bloods. Its not about being a fanboy. its about making since.. though rockstar the games take place in different universes-they still carry on franchises and certain aspects that help the story grow.. Rolling Heights Ballas are based on Rollin 60's crips Grove Street Families is based on Inglwoood Families (blood gang) so it makes since if they bring these gangs back for the purpose of gang life and culture.. im done yall Only if they represent it in a modern and accurate way, i.e people like Franklin trying to break free from that life and better themselves. He has a valid point, the 90's were the 90's, society is different now, more people are turning to music, and getting good education. Less people are on the streets. I think this is what Franklin will represent. He isn't saying Gang's wont be in the game, i'm sure he will agree Gang culture will be present, but not the main focus of Los Santos life and the stories in it, like LA did in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. dude what is your IQ? Grove St and Ballas were clear reenactments of the Crips and Bloods. Its not about being a fanboy. its about making since.. though rockstar the games take place in different universes-they still carry on franchises and certain aspects that help the story grow.. Rolling Heights Ballas are based on Rollin 60's crips Grove Street Families is based on Inglwoood Families (blood gang) so it makes since if they bring these gangs back for the purpose of gang life and culture.. im done yall Again, why can't they change the name and make them MORE like the real life gangs? I don't want to hear about how god like accurate Ballas and Grove Street are to the point where you have pictures of them printed out on your wall because they remind you of your real life homies. Rockstar can do better, and they should do better, again, the amount of detail the five families got in GTA IV was amazing, a lot of dates and references to the real life events, I want to see that in GTA V with two major street gangs who used to be big in the 90s, I don't want to see rehashed panto villains Ballas and Comedy Act Grove Street. what's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evoluon--720 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Only if they represent it in a modern and accurate way, i.e people like Franklin trying to break free from that life and better themselves. He has a valid point, the 90's was the 90's, society is different now, more people are turning to music, and getting good education. Less people are on the streets. I think this is what Franklin will represent. gangs werent "just in the 90's' and yes frank is breaking away from it-but gangs are still a heavy back drop in his life..he's from south los santos for god sakes..what is los santos without street gangs tripping over gang colors? it wouldnt be los santos if there are no gangs... BALLAS AND THE FAMILIES ARE BACK YOU GUYZZ GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. dude what is your IQ? Grove St and Ballas were clear reenactments of the Crips and Bloods. Its not about being a fanboy. its about making since.. though rockstar the games take place in different universes-they still carry on franchises and certain aspects that help the story grow.. Rolling Heights Ballas are based on Rollin 60's crips Grove Street Families is based on Inglwoood Families (blood gang) so it makes since if they bring these gangs back for the purpose of gang life and culture.. im done yall Again, why can't they change the name and make them MORE like the real life gangs? I don't want to hear about how god like accurate Ballas and Grove Street are to the point where you have pictures of them printed out on your wall because they remind you of your real life homies. Rockstar can do better, and they should do better, again, the amount of detail the five families got in GTA IV was amazing, a lot of dates and references to the real life events, I want to see that in GTA V with two major street gangs who used to be big in the 90s, I don't want to see rehashed panto villains Ballas and Comedy Act Grove Street. what's wrong with that? I don't Really see anything wrong with it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsgtafan Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 The Families and Ballas are probably coming back. I hope Grove St. is back as an easter egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDayz Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Only if they represent it in a modern and accurate way, i.e people like Franklin trying to break free from that life and better themselves. He has a valid point, the 90's was the 90's, society is different now, more people are turning to music, and getting good education. Less people are on the streets. I think this is what Franklin will represent. gangs werent "just in the 90's' and yes frank is breaking away from it-but gangs are still a heavy back drop in his life..he's from south los santos for god sakes..what is los santos without street gangs tripping over gang colors? it wouldnt be los santos if there are no gangs... BALLAS AND THE FAMILIES ARE BACK YOU GUYZZ GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD Attention was on them in the 90's. Which is why GTA SA was set in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsrow Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 And again, San Andreas fanboys have turned this into a discussion about how brilliant Grove Street and Ballas are and how they NEED to come back. Some of you guys seriously want this to be San Andreas 2: CJ's Back Baby! San Andreas: With A Vengeance San Andreas: Judgement Day San Andreas: Legacy San Andreas: CJ's Revenge San Andreas: Reloaded San Andreas: For a Few Dollars More San Andreas: Revenge of the Fallen San Andreas: Beyond Grove Street San Andreas: Nightmare on Grove Street San Andreas: Game Over San Andreas: Attack of the Ballas San Andreas: The Families Strike Back San Andreas: Grove Street Returns San Andreas: Grove Street's Rejects San Andreas: First Blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evoluon--720 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 And again, San Andreas fanboys have turned this into a discussion about how brilliant Grove Street and Ballas are and how they NEED to come back. Some of you guys seriously want this to be San Andreas 2: CJ's Back Baby! its not about being a fan boy and wanting the old cj and crew back. its about relating to whats really happening in modern day los angeles and how rockstar can take a good idea they had in the past a renew it.. like they're doing to the whole f*cking city of Los Santos! so why is it hard to believe that some things are going to be returning??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I can safely speak about GTA III to GTA V (I have not gotten a chance to finish playing VCS) and the one constant in all of these games has been the inclusion and highlighting of gangs. Tommy, CJ and Johnny were in and rose to the top of their respective gangs and protagonists like Claude, Niko, Luis, etc have interactions with various gangs. It stands to reason that unless Rockstar has radically changed their M.O. then there definitely will be some type of gang activity in this game as well. Ash, are you the guy who had that argument with I think DoubleOG and somebody else and they finally got you to admit that your problem really was that you disliked black gangs in particular but thought Italian gang/mafia were better? If you aren't, sorry in advance or if you are then don't worry about it so much. There are two white protagonists for you to play as and Franklin from the scant evidence we've seen isn't that involved with gang life. But brace yourself - there WILL be gangs - for the rampage must go on and GTA ain't GTA without the rampage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsrow Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 OK, so here is why there is no Grove Street. In re-imagined Los Angeles, Rockstar assumed a re-imagined Interstate 105, aka the Century Freeway, where in a re-imagined time frame, Grove Street and all the surrounding neighborhoods were demolished to make way for the freeway. So, no more Grove Street Families, no more Ballas, end of story... Century Freeway--When It's Born, an Era Will Die The family home of Dennis Wilson and his brothers Brian and Carl, founding members of the highly successful Beach Boys rock band, was demolished in the mid 1980s to make way for the freeway. A California Historic Landmark marks the site of the former home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 OK, so here is why there is no Grove Street. In re-imagined Los Angeles, Rockstar assumed a re-imagined Interstate 105, aka the Century Freeway, where in a re-imagined time frame, Grove Street and all the surrounding neighborhoods were demolished to make way for the freeway. So, no more Grove Street Families, no more Ballas, end of story... Century Freeway--When It's Born, an Era Will Die The family home of Dennis Wilson and his brothers Brian and Carl, founding members of the highly successful Beach Boys rock band, was demolished in the mid 1980s to make way for the freeway. A California Historic Landmark marks the site of the former home. That won't stop R* from putting it in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Justice Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I just want to briefly elaborate on a point to that guy arguing that black street culture is still as big as it was. Dan Houser put it this way: Franklin was the idea of this street hustler in the modern world where the glory days – if there ever were glory days of gang banging – had long since passed. When some of the illusions of this life have been shattered, what do you do now having been in that world? That world that they thought they'd be in and be able to make a success of has, thanks to the modern world or the changes in the economy or whatever it is, just failed. It doesn't really exist. Basically, gangsta life has dwindled to the point where there's better opportunities elsewhere. So there is no point in arguing about whether or not gang culture is as large as it was, because the goddamn writer of the game doesn't think so. Gangs will be in the game, anyone can see that's the case, but it won't be anything like the glory days of Grove vs Ballas, so why even bother to include those gangs? I believe they need new gangs with new ideals/motives to freshen things up. In many ways, Franklin represents all the people on this forum that don't want Grove St to return, while Lamar represents all the people that do want them to come back. On one hand, you have people readily trying to move on and go forward, while the other people sit back and want things to be the way they used to be. One last point, if Franklin and Lamar were so tied to one particular gang, then why are neither of them wearing colours in the trailer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Bill Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Because the Liberty City gangs in III were just generic gangs. And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. Haha. You just carry on there with your anti street gang crusade, and keep deflecting the argument. It's you alone who keeps taking it off topic. You're the only one who is clearly letting your personal biases inform your argument. and then keep trying to divert the actual topic to whether or not street gangs should be the focus, which it's already well established isn't the case. I already explained to you why i think they should reuse them.. Why don't you go ahead and tell me again i'm a derranged fan-boy instead of addressing the point... Edited March 21, 2013 by Honest Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Because the Liberty City gangs in III were just generic gangs. And that's what annoys me about San Andreas fanboys. Apparently Ballas and Grove Street are immortals and can not be touched. Let's flip it, WHY can't Rockstar just change their name, and make their history MORE like the actual real gangs? And again, this thread has gone WAY off topic, sad how derranged San Andreas fanboys hugging their Grove Street fan made stuff just can't let go. Haha. You just carry on their with your anti street gang crusade, and keep deflecting the argument. It's you alone who keeps taking it off topic. You're the only one who is clearly letting your personal biases inform your argument. and then keep trying to divert the actual topic to whether or not street gangs should be the focus, which it's already well established isn't the case. I already explained to you why i think they should reuse them.. Why don't you go ahead and tell me again i'm a deranged fan-boy instead of addressing the point... Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummy Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Because the families is still in my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travís. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Because the families is still in my heart. as they are in everyones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasedJACK Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Yes, but it's not as prominent today as it was back then, not saying it doesn't happen, but Hispanics are running more hoods now than Black, and the war is between them, the whole bloods vs crips things is minor now compared to what it was in the early to mid-90s, so to waste more time rehashing that when there's more interesting wars to bring up relating to modern day LA would just be lazy on Rockstars behalf. im sure your not from the southern california-so i have to inform you as a current resident of ingelwood california black gang culture is still alive and active and still play a major part in the street culture and criminal underworld. so it would make perfect since if they keep grove st and the ballas in this game. .. You live in Inglewood too? Small world. OT: Anyways I wouldn't mind a reference to Grove St. in GTA V, whether it is a literal reference (the actual street) or a more 'spiritual' one. I'm kind of neutral when it comes to the gangs, because I know R* is going to implement them albeit on a lesser scale than SA. Like, it would be nice to see the Ballas/Grove St Fams/Vagos etc to return but I wouldn't care if all the gangs are new since they won't be the main focus anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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