How much Los Santos will change?

[Buffalo Soldier]

Whatever idiot said 'F**k Grove' can honestly gtf.

Blasphemy.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks there will be a Grove St, this is a totally reimagined Los Santos.

 

I'll be very surprised if they include a recreation of Grove St. There pretty much wasn't anything recognizable from GTA III in GTA IV.

Because GTA III was a dull game in general and had no iconic or memorable locations or anything that meant alot to players.

Grove Street was the basis of the biggest Playstation 2 game ever, alot of fans have a soft spot for it and the storyline of San Andreas - if Rockstar completely ignore that and don't as much as include a small throwback to Grove Street, then they're letting alot of people down.

[Gran Feft Orto]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks there will be a Grove St, this is a totally reimagined Los Santos.

 

I'll be very surprised if they include a recreation of Grove St. There pretty much wasn't anything recognizable from GTA III in GTA IV.

Because GTA III was a dull game in general and had no iconic or memorable locations or anything that meant alot to players.

Grove Street was the basis of the biggest Playstation 2 game ever, alot of fans have a soft spot for it and the storyline of San Andreas - if Rockstar completely ignore that and don't as much as include a small throwback to Grove Street, then they're letting alot of people down.

Speak for yourself. I have just as big a soft spot for places in GTA III than anywhere in San Andreas. GTA III was smaller, and therefore you got to know every inch of the city. Plus it was such a groundbreaking game - great memories of playing it for the first time.

 

San Andreas was obviously great, but I don't particularly have a burning desire to return to Grove Street like some people. Personally I prefered to base myself in San Fierro.

[Red XIII]

I hope that Grove Street returns!

So does everyone

I really couldn't care less about grove street, I hope its not in the game just to piss people off, dno why people make such a fuss about it. Go play san andreas and you can see grove street as much as you want.

[Ash_735]

Whatever idiot said 'F**k Grove' can honestly gtf.

Blasphemy.

Oh no, I insulted a virtual street gang on a video game from 2004. There's much more important things in the GTA world than some pathetic cul de sac in Los Santos where a washed up street gang reside.

[Mister Pink]

Rockstar aren't really thinking about keeping two different games similar etc. What they're doing is trying to re-create LA the best they can for a GTA, just like they tried to do the first time. That is first and foremost.

 

Similarities between games is going to be because they're based on the same city.

 

Knowing Rockstars ditching of fun, I'll be very surprised if there's even a nod to Grove St in GTA V.

 

EDIT: As for those who don't care for Grove St, some of us do. We invested time, love and many hours and have fond memories of the place. To think it's stupid that someone may enjoy nostalgia is absurd. Seeing Grove Street will be special. It was the only place that existed in a GTA or to an extension all games that allowed to you almost feel like you lived in South Central during 1992. It was the most communal and most interactive home in a GTA. People knew your face in the area. Homies would take your photo for you. Homies would comment on how you dress, what shoes you were wearing etc. You hung out with your neighbours. Your homies smoked weed outside your house. It was so much fun listening to what your homies would say. You could play basketball there too. It was one of the most unique and bold things I've ever seen in a game. Tell me one other game that's similar or has a similar place in it. It really felt like a community. So many missions started from there. ... I think it wont be there. That sort of fun wouldn't suite serious GTA now.

Edited March 19, 2013 by ThePinkFloydSound

[Dick Justice]

 

I'm not sure why everyone thinks there will be a Grove St, this is a totally reimagined Los Santos.

 

I'll be very surprised if they include a recreation of Grove St. There pretty much wasn't anything recognizable from GTA III in GTA IV.

Because GTA III was a dull game in general and had no iconic or memorable locations or anything that meant alot to players.

Grove Street was the basis of the biggest Playstation 2 game ever, alot of fans have a soft spot for it and the storyline of San Andreas - if Rockstar completely ignore that and don't as much as include a small throwback to Grove Street, then they're letting alot of people down.

And people are wondering why ash_735 started talking down about Grove St? It's people like you who clearly think San Andreas is the be all and end all of the series. There are people out there who like more than just San Andreas because the series is so much more than just one game. Then idiots like you come along and make bold statements that make their opinions seem worthless. You are giving him a reason to hate on San Andreas by loving it so passionately.

Edited March 19, 2013 by man dragon

[Red XIII]

Rockstar aren't really thinking about keeping two different games similar etc. What they're doing is trying to re-create LA the best they can for a GTA, just like they tried to do the first time. That is first and foremost.

 

Similarities between games is going to be because they're based on the same city.

 

Knowing Rockstars ditching of fun, I'll be very surprised if there's even a nod to Grove St in GTA V.

 

EDIT: As for those who don't care for Grove St, some of us do. We invested time, love and many hours and have fond memories of the place. To think it's stupid that someone may enjoy nostalgia is absurd. Seeing Grove Street will be special. It was the only place that existed in a GTA or to an extension all games that allowed to you almost feel like you lived in South Central during 1992. It was the most communal and most interactive home in a GTA. People knew your face in the area. Homies would take your photo for you. Homies would comment on how you dress, what shoes you were wearing etc. You hung out with your neighbours. Your homies smoked weed outside your house. It was so much fun listening to what your homies would say. You could play basketball there too. It was one of the most unique and bold things I've ever seen in a game. Tell me one other game that's similar or has a similar place in it. It really felt like a community. So many missions started from there. ... I think it wont be there. That sort of fun wouldn't suite serious GTA now.

how did you come to the conclusion that GTA is serious? look at the difference between GTAIII and san andreas, you could say that GTAIII was a lot more serious than san andreas, but yet san andreas was made after GTAIII. What I'm trying to say is that every single GTA is a TOTALLY different experience, you cant possibly assume what the next instalment is going to be like.

[killdrivetheftvehicle]

 

It's been 9 years since SA came out but the game was set in 1994.

You're wrong. Not by much, but still as a fan you should know exactly the year san andreas was set.

 

If you don't know what I'm talking about then see this video:

@ 1:48

 

OT: I think the HD Los Santos is so big, that there is plenty of room for 3D era easter eggs. The desing of the city is from the real life Los Angeles though and not from 3D Los Santos, so I think that the vibe is noticeably different from the early 90's Cali.

Edited March 19, 2013 by killdrivetheftvehicle

[Mister Pink]

 

Rockstar aren't really thinking about keeping two different games similar etc. What they're doing is trying to re-create LA the best they can for a GTA, just like they tried to do the first time. That is first and foremost.

 

Similarities between games is going to be because they're based on the same city.

 

Knowing Rockstars ditching of fun, I'll be very surprised if there's even a nod to Grove St in GTA V.

 

EDIT: As for those who don't care for Grove St, some of us do. We invested time, love and many hours and have fond memories of the place. To think it's stupid that someone may enjoy nostalgia is absurd. Seeing Grove Street will be special. It was the only place that existed in a GTA or to an extension all games that allowed to you almost feel like you lived in South Central during 1992. It was the most communal and most interactive home in a GTA. People knew your face in the area. Homies would take your photo for you. Homies would comment on how you dress, what shoes you were wearing etc. You hung out with your neighbours. Your homies smoked weed outside your house. It was so much fun listening to what your homies would say. You could play basketball there too. It was one of the most unique and bold things I've ever seen in a game. Tell me one other game that's similar or has a similar place in it. It really felt like a community. So many missions started from there.  ... I think it wont be there. That sort of fun wouldn't suite serious GTA now.

how did you come to the conclusion that GTA is serious? look at the difference between GTAIII and san andreas, you could say that GTAIII was a lot more serious than san andreas, but yet san andreas was made after GTAIII. What I'm trying to say is that every single GTA is a TOTALLY different experience, you cant possibly assume what the next instalment is going to be like.

Based on IV. It was a sly jab at Rockstar to be honest. And, you are right. Each GTA is different. However, as the Housers get older and since one of the key writers left after SA, I believe GTA will still eventually be heading in a more serious tone away from III-era games.

 

I believe this because all the mini-games seemingly have to be character related now. Instead of lots of mini-games, they're not really going to be mini but fuller/rounder than the past but less of them.

 

I believe Rockstar may loose some of their hunger. They were a young bunch of developers and writers. I think like most creative people when they get older, they will lose some of their flair. Houser is around the 40 mark now. When III and Vice came out he would have been later 20's early 80's. I don't know some people just mellow out when they get older. I think this may reflect in the games.

 

I hope I'm wrong.

[SlappyPwnsAss]

I hope that Grove Street returns!

So does everyone

I don't!

 

f*ck Grove Street.

 

This is modern day LA, not some sh*tty 90's Rap Video, believe it or not people, LA has f*cking moved on since Boyz In The Hood!

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, LA still has a ghetto.

 

and f*ck grove street?

 

Busta!

Well, it does have a ghetto, but its nothing like it was back in the 90's. Back then there were lots of gangs, and gangs were really predominant. There are still gangs, but they stay ''in the shadows'' if you know what i mean.

[kesta195]

Unfortunately the change will be as big, if not bigger then III to IV.

I doubt that. GTAIII wasn't based on one specific city therefore there were few if any real life landmarks in that Liberty City. In SA Los Santos was obviously based just on LA and so is GTAV so there will be more of a similarity. We can already see that landmarks such as the Vinewood Sign, LA river, US Bank Tower, LAX and Santa Monica pier have returned, which is already more similarities than III and IV shared.

[Andreas]

The difference of the mapsize between GTA III and GTA IV is impressive; 6.25 square miles is the map in GTA IV and only around 3 square miles in GTA III! I have scaled both maps to each other, and the result is this:

 

 

By scaling the San Andreas map with the GTA III map, I figured out that Los Santos is around 3 square miles big in GTA San Andreas. It was already confirmed that Los Santos in GTA IV will be bigger than GTA IV Liberty City so it's as good as confirmed that Los Santos in the next GTA will be more than twice as big as the one in the 3D-era! It was only confirmed that it will be bigger but not how much bigger so it's possible that the city will be even three times bigger than in San Andreas, although I'm not sure if that will happen. The differences are definitely interesting to think about.

[GTAspotter]

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, LA still has a ghetto.

 

and f*ck grove street?

 

Busta!

Yes, it still has ghettos, where Black is being pushed out and Hispanics are taking over, come on man, this is modern day LA, not your Early-90s wet dream that San Andreas fanboys can't let go of. LA Crime is much more interesting now with many different areas, why stick to another sh*tty ghetto hiood dawg YO CJ story when there's just soo much out there?

 

Also, calling me a Busta? ...I'm fine with that, I've never really repped any "hood" so me turning my back on it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me!

 

 

THIS THIS 1000x THIS

[GarrowsKai]

 

And as we can see, Los Santos seems to have tripled it's size, and it takes 20+ years to build a skyscraper.

Not quite, it took 6 years from start of construction to the opening of the Burj Khalifa (tallest in the world) and The Shard in London took only 3 years to build and open. Neither are fully complete yet, interior fittings still need to be finished off, but that's not going to take more than another 2 or 3 years. Earlier than that the Empire State Building only took two years to complete (although thanks to the Depression there was no shortage of labour so it was probably swifter construction than in 'normal' times).

Edited March 22, 2013 by GarrowsKai

[evoluon--720]

 

Yes, it still has ghettos, where Black is being pushed out and Hispanics are taking over, come on man, this is modern day LA, not your Early-90s wet dream that San Andreas fanboys can't let go of. LA Crime is much more interesting now with many different areas, why stick to another sh*tty ghetto hiood dawg YO CJ story when there's just soo much out there?

 

Also, calling me a Busta? ...I'm fine with that, I've never really repped any "hood" so me turning my back on it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me! 

 

youre wrong. and ignorant.. I live in Los Angeles- yea sure there are alot of latinos taking over but blacks are still a majority in a lot of areas like Watts. Inglewood.Hawthorne. Glendale.There are still alot of active gangs here..they are still relevant.

 

sounds like you let the media influence your thinking.

 

[SlappyPwnsAss]

Alot different i bet.

[omer19992010]

The difference of the mapsize between GTA III and GTA IV is impressive; 6.25 square miles is the map in GTA IV and only around 3 square miles in GTA III! I have scaled both maps to each other, and the result is this:

 

 

By scaling the San Andreas map with the GTA III map, I figured out that Los Santos is around 3 square miles big in GTA San Andreas. It was already confirmed that Los Santos in GTA IV will be bigger than GTA IV Liberty City so it's as good as confirmed that Los Santos in the next GTA will be more than twice as big as the one in the 3D-era! It was only confirmed that it will be bigger but not how much bigger so it's possible that the city will be even three times bigger than in San Andreas, although I'm not sure if that will happen. The differences are definitely interesting to think about.

So if it was 3x los santos in San Andreas it would be around 9 or 10 sq miles.that would be huge but whatever the games actual size I think los santos would take up 1/4 of the map.

[VincentPericant]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks there will be a Grove St, this is a totally reimagined Los Santos.

Wasn't Grove Street based on a real life street in the LA ghetto?

 

If this is the case, then despite V being a whole new reimagination of LS, the real life street that Grove Street was based on could technically be reimagined again. It might not be called Grove Street, and we may never have to visit it as part of a mission, but it could still well be included as R* like to include replicas/parodies of real life areas. It would be a cool feature.