How do we join the NWO?

[Lelouch The Zero]

Ryda King, YOU ARE HULK HOGAN!

[Ryda King]

Ya caught me. I'm actually a Zionist internet shill double agent who's secretly Hulk Hogan paid to stir shlt up and fight intelligent people and make people who like Liberty, Freedom and Justice look stupid.

 

I'm also a blood drinking reptoid from outer space.

 

Or is that a conspiracy too?

 

<_<

 

>_>

 

o_o

[Lelouch The Zero]

Ya caught me. I'm actually a Zionist internet shill double agent who's secretly Hulk Hogan paid to stir shlt up and fight intelligent people and make people who like Liberty, Freedom and Justice look stupid.

 

I'm also a blood drinking reptoid from outer space.

 

Or is that a conspiracy too?

 

<_<

 

>_>

 

o_o

Change your Avatar to Hulk Hogan, then i'll be convinced

[Ryda King]

Well, technically, I'm ZOKLIKULAPLGHFWAGA.

 

Hulk Hogan is my stage name.

 

I'm also Illuminati.

[HolyGrenadeFrenzy]

 

What's wrong with One (orderly) World in Order?

One money?

One Wage Standard?

One set of World Law? With regional ordinances.

One Language?

One Religion?

One Labour market... Everyone works, somewhere?

 

Everything.

Oooooooooh my favorite thread, complete with all the usual posts.

 

The nutcase (aka troll or provocateur, one of these) opens a thread with a ridiculous OP and ridiculous answers to anyone who joins the thread.

 

People call him out for that, and conclude all theories about people cooperating in secret are always rubbish.

 

End result: the term "conspiracy" once more gets linked to idiots/nutcases/tinfoil hat fans.

 

I see this exact 100% same structure in every single "conspiracy theory" thread or article on every site I read. And I think that's a very worrisome development.

 

A conspiracy is basically just a few people who decide to join forces in order to work towards a common goal, that's all. And I very much doubt anyone who has outgrown a child's naiveté would believe that this wouldn't happen all over the world all the time.

 

 

Basically I believe the whole argument is down to semantics. In the end I think everyone accepts that in politics, not every decision is always made in the best interest of the people. So obviously sometimes these decisions must serve other interests. And that's all, that's already a conspiracy by definition. Does anyone actually believe this doesn't happen? No? OK then.

 

So let's try to call idiocy idiocy, not change the meaning of the word "conspiracy" to "something only a retard believes in", mkay?

 

 

As for the quote: I disagree. I think nothing is wrong with that, I'm sure that's the way of the future and beneficial to most (excluding language and religion which should never be forced). I simply object to such a big step being taken without democratic legitimization.

 

Yet just this evening I used verbal manipulation in order to force someone to do something the way I wanted, because I knew that it would be better for him. I like that person but know that one of his personal flaws is that he's very afraid of change, whether it benefits him or not.

 

So I "did what I had to do" and manipulated him, successfully I might add. And in the end, I said to myself "in this instance, the end justified the means".

But it still makes my stomach clench a little. I wished he'd see reason by himself but he didn't, so I forced him. I know for sure that it will be better for him this way but I feel guilty for abusing my "powers".

 

Does the same thing translate to global politics? I mean surely a world government could never happen with so many countries (and people there) pulling in so many different directions, so is it better in the end if we're forced?

 

But I don't believe the major players steer in that direction just out of the kindness of their hearts, in order to make the world a better place. I think that's just a side effect, filling the bank accounts of "friends" across the globe seems like the bigger motivator to me.

 

 

So in the end, do I believe in some "conspiracy theories"? Yes, I believe people tend to cooperate in order to reach their goals more easily. From sand box to wooden box. In every country, at all times. Duh.

 

 

gtamann123: It's Bilderberg, not Bindenberg. The ~100 most powerful people in the world having an annual 3 day long meeting at a secret location with press and public strictly prohibited, secured by special police and/or military. Yup, there's no way they'd talk about anything other than sports and video games there.

Aren't you mister jump to conclusions?

 

I never said nor do I believe that there is any sort of absolution of judgement against those exposing conspiracy when it is found. Nor do I disregard those that find things are coincidence.

 

What I do find appalling is that the majority is so easily split into two separate camps that ridicule each other at the drop of a hat. While the two camps argue, being easily set against each other by a third party, those that are guilty of both conspiracy and false coincidence or even specialized ways of getting attention or reaping cash flow from the a public looking for honest information regarding the state of the world.

 

The first mistake is jumping to conclusions about anything, especially without asking questions.

 

 

 

HolyGrenadeFrenzy looks around sternly, tips hat and smiles.

 

 

Yeah, everyone jumps to conclusions about their opinion being the only opinion that matters and nobody likes to consider that everyone is fooled from both sides of any argument or discussion. How typical.

 

The name of the over all game is divide and conquer, that too is what I am against.

 

It can be resolved by discussion the whats plural, all questions can be broke down to a what, and finding a way to break it all down using trivium. With use of the Seven Liberal Arts it is possible to work it out and find more positions possible, other than the two positions playing king of the mountain ad infinituim.

 

I am not claiming that any government has even the basic problems figured out. IT does look like provocateurs ect.

 

I also agree with some of what you say.

 

Don't jump to conclusions regarding me. I have too many years experience under my belt, in REAL LIFE to put up with it.

 

I do completely agree with your definitions regarding Conspiracy. It has been way over clouded up and misused by both sides of the divided and the corporate media. That isn't to say that I agree with The Conspirators , or The Conspiracy Theorists or The Coincidence Theorists for that matter. I also find great embarrassment at complacency to look at the world and just not give a f*ck until someone else works it out.

 

 

Are their a bunch of jerkwads screwing things up? Yep, yet they will continue as long as their antics are things that others pay the consequences for in politics and the world at large. Why do they get away with it? As long as our anger and desire is spent on each other then it is easy for the likes of them all. Both sides of an argument continue to get paid as long as both sides keep arguing and accessing data to support each "Cause". The principals of war apply to every war, especially an infowar and their are more combatants in an infowar too.

 

Opportunistic for both sides while many are on BOTH SIDES, not all are.

 

Such is the nature of war, The Crown has supported both sides of most wars for this very reason.

 

 

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Perhaps, the use of the term New World Order was not appropriate for such a discussion. Yet to be honest, it is as good as any, because the heat around this issue is a big stopper point and needs to be discussed and worked out or the lot of our kind will NOT EVER get it sorted out and work well enough together to colonize other planets, terraform or what ever else we are truly capable of and we will just stay fighting over the planet and its issues like so many fleas arguing on a dog about who owns it and who is right and wrong about everything.

 

Self Righteousness is a dangerous thing, it requires selling everyone short so you can feel you are on top and allow yourself a feeling of entitlement to do as you please and esteem your position in doing so.

 

Those who use force also need submission, or eradication, to be successful and that is achieved through many means. Often you have to do both. Your allies and servants still have to submit to your brutality when you go the route of eradication. Force of populace does not generally work out the same as it is planned to.

 

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We can act locally and support locally and find unity locally and build resource locally and the whole time consider and work diligently to THINK GLOBALLY without crossing lines or stepping on the toes and rights of our fellow human beings. It's a little idealistic yet it is possible.

 

It just takes work and the willingness to communicate and take a deep breath and be the best that humanity has to offer, by choice, and then the stars are their for us to colonize when they aren't inhabited.

 

Why?

 

 

Because they are there.

 

 

Planet-hood doesn't make sense under an oligarchy and republics only work well when people find a reason to agree. I see those stars and galaxies and that is enough reason for me to look for things we can agree on.

 

 

But....that's just me.

Because they are there

 

I just don't care about the "elite schemes" because they are so lost and currently over exposed that their time is appearing shorter than they have any imagination for. I see the rest of the people grabbing at sides regarding their paradigms and know that we have proven that we understand far less than their is too know about the universe. If we want to KNOW more of it then it requires that we stand off of so of this short sightedness.

 

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Eventually, national governments are going to be similair to the way that our county government currently are.

 

LOCAL

 

Planet what State or province are.

 

Inter System Law will be where National Law currently are.

 

Intergalactic Law will be where International Law currently are.

 

If we don't kill ourselves off first

 

If we find a reason to work together.

 

If we find a way to make it work things out for mutual benefit without the haves and have nots even being an issue because everyone has and they have it to the degree that everyone is beyond complacency and wants more for the sake of experience and not petty material things because needs are more than just met.

 

This just isn't all there is.

 

I'm not saying to settle for what any of us have, not at all.

 

Don't separate from your desire for life and spirit. Make the choices that will change you and the world around you for the better. The ends and the means have to be one and the same because one doesn't justify the other.

 

Consider this carefully.

Edited March 13, 2013 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy

[d0mm2k8]

I always question the unnerving obsession with corruption on the part of conspiracy theorists, given that the nations to which they try and apply their conspiracies- namely the Western world- are by every statistical measure the least corrupt on the planet.

Because the people who did the statistical measures are actually in on the conspiracy and are as corrupt as the Western world governments which are actually the most corrupt and stuff. They're also Jews.

[Clem Fandango]

 

 

Classic paid shill tactic

And you'd know how? Because you read on some internet forum "this is what paid shills do". How do you know that the people telling you that aren't the paid shills? How do you know that I'm not the real bastion of truth that they're using their paid presence to dissuade you away from, keeping you in eternal fear of something you have no real understanding of by encouraging blanket ignorance? If I was trying to set up a malevolent one-world government, I wouldn't be paying people to spread disinformation for me. I'd be paying people to encourage the idea that the government were everywhere, because that's far more efficient than them actually being everywhere. Compare and contrast, for instance, the portrayal of the "Big Brother" society in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four and the actions of police states in the Second World War and Cold War era, paying particular attention to the Stazi and Gestapo. Both of these organisations thrived by using conspiracy theories to present to the population a totally hopeless, bleak world image- that their freedoms had been curtailed by a higher power. This, far from making people resistant to oppression, made them pliant to it- it encouraged people to inform on their friends and neighbours because these systems presented themselves as if there was no alternative than utter obedience to the state. Especially in the case of the Stazi, they even used fake underground groups spreading disinformation about the government to identify and eliminate traitors. Historically, the conspiracy theory has been use as a tool of oppression, not as a form of resistance to it.

 

Besides, you flatter yourself. Do you really think your bilge would be worth paying someone to respond to?

 

 

Read? You're asking if he read a book by Orwell? Why would he read books by intelligent, rational, educated human minds when he has the internetz where Alex Jones, such a revolutionary, is spreading the truth??

Again with the ridiculous assumptions.

 

 

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

 

I've just ceased to give a shlt, honestly.

 

@Melchior

Weren't you banned?

 

 

Probably because he doesn't understand big words.

 

Shouldn't you still be making jokes about Hulk Hogan that no one replies to or thinks is funny?

I guess it was naive of me to think that, this time, you'd let your views be opened to scrutiny. I suppose I'll see you again in about a week when someone starts a topic about chemtrails and you explode in with a lengthy, sarcastic diatribe about how we're all sheeple and you are definitely not crazy.

 

It's getting a bit old. You bust into a thread- often on the subject of something you know nothing about- start lecturing people and spraying them with smug sarcasm, monologuing into the void about "the truth" on an issue, then when someone corrects your factual inaccuracies or points out holes in your flimsy logic, you slam down the cap locks and crank the sarcasm up to eleven.

 

"ha! all you ignorant sheelpe have no idea that Obama is planning to take you all to a concentration camp and use the constitution as a bib while he eats your children!"

"well you haven't really considered the context surrounding the policy and there's no evidence that..."

"OH WOW EASY BUDDY I KNOW YOU'RE EAGER TO DEFEND EMPEROR OBAMA BUT COME ON. 'ALL HAIL OBAMA! LOL I DON'T EVEN NEED MY GUNS BRO I'M SURE THE FEMA PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND WHEN I SAY I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE GAS CHAMBER LOL!'"

 

Then you play the victim, acting like you're some martyr facing a barrage of ad hominems for trying to save us from impending doom. Honestly, just cut it out with the conspiracy theories, they're asinine and embarrassing and no chick will date you when you're saying Obama plans to send us all to concentration camps.

[Ryda King]

 

 

Classic paid shill tactic

And you'd know how? Because you read on some internet forum "this is what paid shills do". How do you know that the people telling you that aren't the paid shills? How do you know that I'm not the real bastion of truth that they're using their paid presence to dissuade you away from, keeping you in eternal fear of something you have no real understanding of by encouraging blanket ignorance? If I was trying to set up a malevolent one-world government, I wouldn't be paying people to spread disinformation for me. I'd be paying people to encourage the idea that the government were everywhere, because that's far more efficient than them actually being everywhere. Compare and contrast, for instance, the portrayal of the "Big Brother" society in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four and the actions of police states in the Second World War and Cold War era, paying particular attention to the Stazi and Gestapo. Both of these organisations thrived by using conspiracy theories to present to the population a totally hopeless, bleak world image- that their freedoms had been curtailed by a higher power. This, far from making people resistant to oppression, made them pliant to it- it encouraged people to inform on their friends and neighbours because these systems presented themselves as if there was no alternative than utter obedience to the state. Especially in the case of the Stazi, they even used fake underground groups spreading disinformation about the government to identify and eliminate traitors. Historically, the conspiracy theory has been use as a tool of oppression, not as a form of resistance to it.

 

Besides, you flatter yourself. Do you really think your bilge would be worth paying someone to respond to?

 

 

Read? You're asking if he read a book by Orwell? Why would he read books by intelligent, rational, educated human minds when he has the internetz where Alex Jones, such a revolutionary, is spreading the truth??

Again with the ridiculous assumptions.

 

 

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

 

I've just ceased to give a shlt, honestly.

 

@Melchior

Weren't you banned?

 

 

Probably because he doesn't understand big words.

 

Shouldn't you still be making jokes about Hulk Hogan that no one replies to or thinks is funny?

I guess it was naive of me to think that, this time, you'd let your views be opened to scrutiny. I suppose I'll see you again in about a week when someone starts a topic about chemtrails and you explode in with a lengthy, sarcastic diatribe about how we're all sheeple and you are definitely not crazy.

 

It's getting a bit old. You bust into a thread- often on the subject of something you know nothing about- start lecturing people and spraying them with smug sarcasm, monologuing into the void about "the truth" on an issue, then when someone corrects your factual inaccuracies or points out holes in your flimsy logic, you slam down the cap locks and crank the sarcasm up to eleven.

 

"ha! all you ignorant sheelpe have no idea that Obama is planning to take you all to a concentration camp and use the constitution as a bib while he eats your children!"

"well you haven't really considered the context surrounding the policy and there's no evidence that..."

"OH WOW EASY BUDDY I KNOW YOU'RE EAGER TO DEFEND EMPEROR OBAMA BUT COME ON. 'ALL HAIL OBAMA! LOL I DON'T EVEN NEED MY GUNS BRO I'M SURE THE FEMA PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND WHEN I SAY I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE GAS CHAMBER LOL!'"

 

Then you play the victim, acting like you're some martyr facing a barrage of ad hominems for trying to save us from impending doom. Honestly, just cut it out with the conspiracy theories, they're asinine and embarrassing and no chick will date you when you're saying Obama plans to send us all to concentration camps.

Yep.

[Master of San Andreas]

 

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

You words are Quality work my friend and maybe he dosen't understand that.

 

 

Master of San Andreas touches his hat to sivispacem. Edited March 13, 2013 by Master of San Andreas

[Ryda King]

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

You words are Quality my friend and maybe he dosen't understand that.

 

 

Master of San Andreas touches his hat to sivispacem.

Learn better English.

[Master of San Andreas]

 

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

You words are Quality my friend and maybe he dosen't understand that.

 

 

Master of San Andreas touches his hat to sivispacem.

Learn better English.

Atleast it's better than yours.

Edited March 13, 2013 by Master of San Andreas

[Ryda King]

 

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

You words are Quality my friend and maybe he dosen't understand that.

 

 

Master of San Andreas touches his hat to sivispacem.

Learn better English.

Atleast it's better than you'rs.

Yours*.

 

And nah, my English is better. I'm not Indian.

[Master of San Andreas]

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

You words are Quality my friend and maybe he dosen't understand that.

 

 

Master of San Andreas touches his hat to sivispacem.

Learn better English.

Atleast it's better than you'rs.

Yours*.

That was a mistake. I type too fast.

 

Anyway Let's get back On-Topic and off this silly discussion.

[Ryda King]

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

You words are Quality my friend and maybe he dosen't understand that.

 

 

Master of San Andreas touches his hat to sivispacem.

Learn better English.

Atleast it's better than you'rs.

Yours*.

That was a mistake. I type too fast.

 

Anyway Let's get back On-Topic and off this silly discussion.

Or you just suck at English. Either one.

 

Silly discussions are fun. Especially when it pisses people off and everyone starts fighting.

[Clem Fandango]

^ did you just finally out yourself as a troll? And it's been like a year... your dedication to trolling is astonishing.

[Master of San Andreas]

Ryda King: Reported Please don't respond to him, he's just trolling.

[Ryda King]

^ did you just finally out yourself as a troll? And it's been like a year... your dedication to trolling is astonishing.

Trolls live under bridges. I don't live under a bridge. I live in a secluded underground base at a round table full of rich men, reptilians and aliens.

 

Alex Jones is here sometimes. He likes our paychecks.

[Ryda King]

Ryda King: Reported Please don't respond to him, he's just trolling.

Need some Preparation H?

[Girish]

Ryda King: Reported Please don't respond to him, he's just trolling.

Need some Preparation H?

1. Stop spamming.

2. Stop double posting.

3. Leave the topic if you have nothing to contribute.

 

[Ryda King]

Ryda King: Reported Please don't respond to him, he's just trolling.

Need some Preparation H?

1. Stop spamming.

2. Stop double posting.

3. Leave the topic if you have nothing to contribute.

 

Buzzkill.