How do we join the NWO?

[d0mm2k8]

The only thing I know is that we're definitely going to need a real world government in the future if we want to survive as a species or else we're f*cked.

[Sim K]

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Edited September 20, 2018 by Sim K

[GTAfan786]

What's wrong with One (orderly) World in Order?

One money?

One Wage Standard?

One set of World Law? With regional ordinances.

One Language?

One Religion?

One Labour market... Everyone works, somewhere?

 

Totally opposite. It's also linked religiously and only people who believe in God would know why. Free thoughts from Atheists are welcome though

[Sim K]

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Edited September 20, 2018 by Sim K

[El Dildo]

easily the best post EscoLehGo has ever made.

and in general, one of the best anti-conspiracy posts anyone has ever made.

 

mad props.

[sivispacem]

I've always had a question that puzzles me about the one-world government conspiracy theories.

 

If we're moving towards greater unity in the political sphere, then wouldn't it be logical to see more nations being united under a single flag, government entity, political philosophy et cetera. Therefore I find it slighly odd that the number of nations and ergo national governments actually increases year on year rather than decreasing.

[Ryda King]

easily the best post EscoLehGo has ever made.

and in general, one of the best anti-conspiracy posts anyone has ever made.

 

mad props.

You're f*cking joking, right?

 

"You're not doing anything! You should at least start a fight with the government and do something! But I'm gonna leave because you're an idiot and I don't want to actually start a fight. So I'm not really helping either."

 

No, on the contrary, that one of the most cowardly and dumbest posts I've seen in a while. He wants people to start an insurrection or rebellion because he's thinking like an edgy teenager who just wants smash windows without thinking of the aftermath when there are better things we can do. Like impeach Obama and make people say NO to drone strikes. Make people say NO to assault weapons bans. Make people say NO to all of it.

 

Esco also apparently doesn't even understand how radio works. If Alex said "Yeah we should start a rebellion and kill people!" he'd be f*cking locked up. Which means he'd be OFF the radio and wouldn't be able to spread the message.

 

So tell me, Esco. Why do you want OTHERS to pick a fight, but you're not doing a damn thing yourself, AND you're leaving the country?

[El Dildo]

"You're not doing anything! You should at least start a fight with the government and do something! But I'm gonna leave because you're an idiot and I don't want to actually start a fight. So I'm not really helping either."

that's not what he said...

[Ryda King]

"You're not doing anything! You should at least start a fight with the government and do something! But I'm gonna leave because you're an idiot and I don't want to actually start a fight. So I'm not really helping either."

that's not what he said...

He said he would listen to or give respect to Alex if he wanted to start and insurrection or rebellion. He also said people like ME are the reason he's leaving the country, because I'm "not doing anything" and I'm "sitting on the sidelines making blogs from a dark room".

 

He wants others to starts fights, but he doesn't want to start fights. He wants others to do something, but he's leaving the country.

 

Sorry, I don't like being a care free moron who just shrugs when these issues come up and say "OH WELL HAHA, CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!"

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

Hey guys. I started my own secret society. We plan on taking over the world also, but not with guns, bombs or fake alien invasion. Were spreading love. That's right. L.o.v.e

[sivispacem]

Sorry, I don't like being a care free moron who just shrugs when these issues come up and say "OH WELL HAHA, CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!"

I do love the fact that your primary defence of your views is to dismiss people who engage with topics you seem to struggle immensely to grasp as carefree and lackadaisical just because you don't agree with them. I mean, it's not like many of the people aren't going to great lengths to examine and try and encourage your to rationalise or question your views, and surely that's the absolute antithesis of being carefree when it comes to examining an issue?

[Ryda King]

Sorry, I don't like being a care free moron who just shrugs when these issues come up and say "OH WELL HAHA, CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!"

I do love the fact that your primary defence of your views is to dismiss people who engage with topics you seem to struggle immensely to grasp as carefree and lackadaisical just because you don't agree with them. I mean, it's not like many of the people aren't going to great lengths to examine and try and encourage your to rationalise or question your views, and surely that's the absolute antithesis of being carefree when it comes to examining an issue?

You completely misinterpreted what I said and once again diverted off into something else entirely.

 

Classic paid shill tactic, just like your NWO name thing. You divert attention away from the real NWO by focusing on one tiny detail that doesn't even matter to make people forget about the real issue.

[lil weasel]

 

Sorry, I don't like being a care free moron who just shrugs when these issues come up and say "OH WELL HAHA, CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!"

I do love the fact that your primary defence of your views is to dismiss people who engage with topics you seem to struggle immensely to grasp as carefree and lackadaisical just because you don't agree with them. I mean, it's not like many of the people aren't going to great lengths to examine and try and encourage your to rationalise or question your views, and surely that's the absolute antithesis of being carefree when it comes to examining an issue?

You completely misinterpreted what I said and once again diverted off into something else entirely.

 

Our Sheldon understands what you said. He just likes to be contrary Mary, when he has no argument, and in this case he's playing Professor Irwin Corey.

it's really not worth the trouble to bandy about with him.

[018361]

So if there were a new world order who would win anyway. A government full of trained soldiers with possibly the help from other nations or a rebellious group of civilians with there guns? I also feel that a one world unification is the right step, but that people should be able to believe what they want.

[TheGodDamnMaster]

I also feel that a one world unification is the right step, but that people should be able to believe what they want.

I agree. There's more to gain than lose if most of the world's nations settled down and integrated into one another. I don't think we'll see a world government in our lifetimes though.

[Lelouch The Zero]

Hulk Hogan created this topic because it says NWO. COME OUT BROTHER!

[sivispacem]

 

You completely misinterpreted what I said and once again diverted off into something else entirely.

Really? It reads very much like a dismissal of people patronising you. It certainly doesn't relate directly to what EscoLehGo was actually saying because, as I'm sure you are no doubt aware, he was taking the piss out of you. So I question whether it really is a misinterpretation given the fact that you constructed your response based solely on a straw man of someone else's statements, when those statements sole intention was to mock you. Which is an interesting thread of conversation, because it's rare to see someone engage in further discussion when it's so clear the sole purpose of the person they are discussing with is to chastise and embarrass them.

 

 

Classic paid shill tactic

And you'd know how? Because you read on some internet forum "this is what paid shills do". How do you know that the people telling you that aren't the paid shills? How do you know that I'm not the real bastion of truth that they're using their paid presence to dissuade you away from, keeping you in eternal fear of something you have no real understanding of by encouraging blanket ignorance? If I was trying to set up a malevolent one-world government, I wouldn't be paying people to spread disinformation for me. I'd be paying people to encourage the idea that the government were everywhere, because that's far more efficient than them actually being everywhere. Compare and contrast, for instance, the portrayal of the "Big Brother" society in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four and the actions of police states in the Second World War and Cold War era, paying particular attention to the Stazi and Gestapo. Both of these organisations thrived by using conspiracy theories to present to the population a totally hopeless, bleak world image- that their freedoms had been curtailed by a higher power. This, far from making people resistant to oppression, made them pliant to it- it encouraged people to inform on their friends and neighbours because these systems presented themselves as if there was no alternative than utter obedience to the state. Especially in the case of the Stazi, they even used fake underground groups spreading disinformation about the government to identify and eliminate traitors. Historically, the conspiracy theory has been use as a tool of oppression, not as a form of resistance to it.

 

Besides, you flatter yourself. Do you really think your bilge would be worth paying someone to respond to?

 

 

You divert attention away from the real NWO by focusing on one tiny detail that doesn't even matter to make people forget about the real issue.

This assumes that the sole purpose behind my comments is to indoctrinate people into a particular viewpoint. That's patently absurd. The purpose behind my statements is essentially to bely the ignorance in conspiracy theories, demonstrate their logical flaws and try to encourage people towards rational, logical and reasonable decision making and analysis buy humorously mocking their proponents and dissecting their theories in public. That and it's fantastic fun to watch people who've been indoctrinated with all kinds of horse-sh*t squirm in their cocoon of ignorance as their entire world's worth of ideas is brought crashing down around them. The real shills are the Jones and the Ikes, the people who spread these conspiracies and use the moral and social panic they cause amongst the ignorant and stupid in order to make a quick buck. They're snake oil salesmen at best.

 

 

Our Sheldon understands what you said. He just likes to be contrary Mary, when he has no argument, and in this case he's playing Professor Irwin Corey.

Don't you have some frogs to be boiling?

 

Please come back when you have something worth reading to contribute.

[El Dildo]

the real NWO

news flash: there's no such thing.

 

[3niX]

Well...

 

 

You completely misinterpreted what I said and once again diverted off into something else entirely.

Fair 'nuff.

 

But wait a second... whats this?

 

Classic paid shill tactic, just like your NWO name thing. You divert..... etc. etc. etc.

 

 

 

diverted off into something else entirely

diverted off into something else

diverted off

diverted

Man the harpoons! We have a double-agent amongst us!

[Ryda King]

 

the real NWO

news flash: there's no such thing.

 

 

I feel bad for you, man. Seriously.

 

 

Man the harpoons! We have a double-agent amongst us!

 

Well, duh. Anytime someone says "diverted" it's an obvious giveaway they're a double agent/shill.

 

Or is that a conspiracy theory?

 

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

[baguvix_wanrltw]

 

What's wrong with One (orderly) World in Order?

One money?

One Wage Standard?

One set of World Law? With regional ordinances.

One Language?

One Religion?

One Labour market... Everyone works, somewhere?

 

Everything.

Oooooooooh my favorite thread, complete with all the usual posts.

 

The nutcase (aka troll or provocateur, one of these) opens a thread with a ridiculous OP and ridiculous answers to anyone who joins the thread.

 

People call him out for that, and conclude all theories about people cooperating in secret are always rubbish.

 

End result: the term "conspiracy" once more gets linked to idiots/nutcases/tinfoil hat fans.

 

I see this exact 100% same structure in every single "conspiracy theory" thread or article on every site I read. And I think that's a very worrisome development.

 

A conspiracy is basically just a few people who decide to join forces in order to work towards a common goal, that's all. And I very much doubt anyone who has outgrown a child's naiveté would believe that this wouldn't happen all over the world all the time.

 

 

Basically I believe the whole argument is down to semantics. In the end I think everyone accepts that in politics, not every decision is always made in the best interest of the people. So obviously sometimes these decisions must serve other interests. And that's all, that's already a conspiracy by definition. Does anyone actually believe this doesn't happen? No? OK then.

 

So let's try to call idiocy idiocy, not change the meaning of the word "conspiracy" to "something only a retard believes in", mkay?

 

 

As for the quote: I disagree. I think nothing is wrong with that, I'm sure that's the way of the future and beneficial to most (excluding language and religion which should never be forced). I simply object to such a big step being taken without democratic legitimization.

 

Yet just this evening I used verbal manipulation in order to force someone to do something the way I wanted, because I knew that it would be better for him. I like that person but know that one of his personal flaws is that he's very afraid of change, whether it benefits him or not.

 

So I "did what I had to do" and manipulated him, successfully I might add. And in the end, I said to myself "in this instance, the end justified the means".

But it still makes my stomach clench a little. I wished he'd see reason by himself but he didn't, so I forced him. I know for sure that it will be better for him this way but I feel guilty for abusing my "powers".

 

Does the same thing translate to global politics? I mean surely a world government could never happen with so many countries (and people there) pulling in so many different directions, so is it better in the end if we're forced?

 

But I don't believe the major players steer in that direction just out of the kindness of their hearts, in order to make the world a better place. I think that's just a side effect, filling the bank accounts of "friends" across the globe seems like the bigger motivator to me.

 

 

So in the end, do I believe in some "conspiracy theories"? Yes, I believe people tend to cooperate in order to reach their goals more easily. From sand box to wooden box. In every country, at all times. Duh.

 

 

gtamann123: It's Bilderberg, not Bindenberg. The ~100 most powerful people in the world having an annual 3 day long meeting at a secret location with press and public strictly prohibited, secured by special police and/or military. Yup, there's no way they'd talk about anything other than sports and video games there.

Edited March 12, 2013 by baguvix_wanrltw

[gtamann123]

These NWO theorists remind me of the black kids in my school (I am bringing their race into this because I believe it is pertinent information since the only people I know who believe in the Illuminati are black for some odd reason) who refuse to listen to any main stream rap music because they believe the Illuminati is placing secret mind controlling messages in music in order to influence people to support their cause.

 

That's not to say I am not a tiny bit concerned about collectivists taking too much control but more on a national level within the US. I believe that the one world government theories are completely baseless and take small things and blow them waaaay out of proportion like the Bindenberg group and The Skull and Bones society theories.

 

The only threats I believe are worth even thinking about are collectivists/socialists taking too much control in the US. We are on a slippery slope right now with increasing gun control. Push for more government ran health care. The growing welfare state. And taxes getting higher and higher etc. Today my Economics teacher was pointing out how anyone who makes a good wage (~100k was the example he was using) can look forward to giving 30% of their income to taxes in most states. That's pathetic if you ask me. Work hard and apply yourself for years to get to a high income only to have 1 out of every 3 dollars earned taken away. I think Rand Paul's plan for a 17% flat tax rate would be much more fair.

 

But I am getting way too far off topic here. So my opinion. Don't worry about the NWO and worry about things that actually have a chance of happening.

Edited March 12, 2013 by gtamann123

[Lelouch The Zero]

Hogan's still hiding, I feel his presence.

[El Dildo]

 

[i feel bad for you, man. Seriously.

trust me.

 

the feeling is mutual...

 

[S5L3T0]

 

 

Classic paid shill tactic

And you'd know how? Because you read on some internet forum "this is what paid shills do". How do you know that the people telling you that aren't the paid shills? How do you know that I'm not the real bastion of truth that they're using their paid presence to dissuade you away from, keeping you in eternal fear of something you have no real understanding of by encouraging blanket ignorance? If I was trying to set up a malevolent one-world government, I wouldn't be paying people to spread disinformation for me. I'd be paying people to encourage the idea that the government were everywhere, because that's far more efficient than them actually being everywhere. Compare and contrast, for instance, the portrayal of the "Big Brother" society in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four and the actions of police states in the Second World War and Cold War era, paying particular attention to the Stazi and Gestapo. Both of these organisations thrived by using conspiracy theories to present to the population a totally hopeless, bleak world image- that their freedoms had been curtailed by a higher power. This, far from making people resistant to oppression, made them pliant to it- it encouraged people to inform on their friends and neighbours because these systems presented themselves as if there was no alternative than utter obedience to the state. Especially in the case of the Stazi, they even used fake underground groups spreading disinformation about the government to identify and eliminate traitors. Historically, the conspiracy theory has been use as a tool of oppression, not as a form of resistance to it.

 

Besides, you flatter yourself. Do you really think your bilge would be worth paying someone to respond to?

 

 

Read? You're asking if he read a book by Orwell? Why would he read books by intelligent, rational, educated human minds when he has the internetz where Alex Jones, such a revolutionary, is spreading the truth??

[sivispacem]

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

[Clem Fandango]

 

It's Bilderberg, not Bindenberg. The ~100 most powerful people in the world having an annual 3 day long meeting at a secret location with press and public strictly prohibited, secured by special police and/or military. Yup, there's no way they'd talk about anything other than sports and video games there.

Wait, how did you ascertain that they are the one hundred most powerful people in the world? One hundred of the most powerful people in the world, perhaps, but then you're talking about a very small fraction.

 

I may look a fool when we're living in an oppressive, Blindocratic police state but I'll go on record as saying you're talking out of your arse.

 

 

After that, people just associated it with government corruption and world domination. Hence, New WORLD ORDER.

Two things that boiled my blood in this response:

 

1) He wasn't talking about a one world government, or government corruption(?) so I don't know why you think the use of the term is appropriate. He's specifically talking about the new world order that has already been established; a world order without the Soviet Union. That's why the speech was in 1991, because that's when the USSR was dissolved. Must I hold your hand through everything?

 

2) Why do you insist on continually mentioning "corruption"? Is it a deliberate means of making your views seem more reasonable? Or do you believe that the systematic process of turning the world into a police state (which is all a figment of over-active imagination but I'm sure you've realised that by this point) is something akin to corruption? Because it isn't.

 

 

in addition to a company making "non-traditional threat" shooting targets of pregnant women, children, and old people.

Someone without your rigid interpretive framework would assume that means they make weapons for crowd control. Since, in theory, you wouldn't need specialised weapons to deal with children and the elderly.

 

 

They kill off 90%, push the rest of humanity into small cities (ala Dredd) which are under constant watch and control, and use them through that, while the elite live like kings. That is the endgame of the NWO. There's the whole thing about the machines but I'd be called crazy for even talking about it.

I think I'm starting to get you. You aren't brainwashed or misinformed you are just incapable of understanding or discussing politics without narrativising and fictionalising it into some big-budget epic movie where everything is black and white. Also, most of the sci-fi epics you're using as a script for your vision of the future were written by Luddites.

[sivispacem]

I always question the unnerving obsession with corruption on the part of conspiracy theorists, given that the nations to which they try and apply their conspiracies- namely the Western world- are by every statistical measure the least corrupt on the planet.

[Lelouch The Zero]

@sivi

I really don't care to waste my time reading your walls of text.

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

Probably because he doesn't understand big words.

[Ryda King]

 

 

Classic paid shill tactic

And you'd know how? Because you read on some internet forum "this is what paid shills do". How do you know that the people telling you that aren't the paid shills? How do you know that I'm not the real bastion of truth that they're using their paid presence to dissuade you away from, keeping you in eternal fear of something you have no real understanding of by encouraging blanket ignorance? If I was trying to set up a malevolent one-world government, I wouldn't be paying people to spread disinformation for me. I'd be paying people to encourage the idea that the government were everywhere, because that's far more efficient than them actually being everywhere. Compare and contrast, for instance, the portrayal of the "Big Brother" society in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four and the actions of police states in the Second World War and Cold War era, paying particular attention to the Stazi and Gestapo. Both of these organisations thrived by using conspiracy theories to present to the population a totally hopeless, bleak world image- that their freedoms had been curtailed by a higher power. This, far from making people resistant to oppression, made them pliant to it- it encouraged people to inform on their friends and neighbours because these systems presented themselves as if there was no alternative than utter obedience to the state. Especially in the case of the Stazi, they even used fake underground groups spreading disinformation about the government to identify and eliminate traitors. Historically, the conspiracy theory has been use as a tool of oppression, not as a form of resistance to it.

 

Besides, you flatter yourself. Do you really think your bilge would be worth paying someone to respond to?

 

 

Read? You're asking if he read a book by Orwell? Why would he read books by intelligent, rational, educated human minds when he has the internetz where Alex Jones, such a revolutionary, is spreading the truth??

Again with the ridiculous assumptions.

 

 

What, because you are incapable of responding to legitimate criticism and hate having your views scrutinised as you fear they're terribly ill-thought-out, or because you just don't know enough to respond?

 

I've just ceased to give a shlt, honestly.

 

@Melchior

Weren't you banned?

 

 

Probably because he doesn't understand big words.

 

Shouldn't you still be making jokes about Hulk Hogan that no one replies to or thinks is funny?