The Story of Huemans!

[DarrinPA]

Consciousness and self awareness are traits of complex organisms, which gained that complexity through evolution by natural selection. Not all living things are conscious or self aware - they merely complete their biological functions and don't ponder the universe or their place in it

You did a great job of making it sound very simple, but it's not that simple.

[LewisMiller]

Carbon dating is not even accurate most of the time. You need the decay rate and amount of C14 and given you have really, really good equipment, let's just say it depends on what your dating, calibration and environmental placement. Just don't think your going to get anywhere close to the real age, especially if its believe to be 50,000 years old.

im done

[El Dildo]

 

Prove to me dinosaurs and man never exist.

 

Carbon dating is not even accurate most of the time.

 

if you don't understand basic science, then you can't really be a part of this conversation.

 

wait scratch that.

what I meant to say is; if you don't understand basic science, then you shouldn't talk about scientific concepts.

 

otherwise you're welcome to believe anything you want of course.

just don't be surprised when some people laugh.

Edited March 5, 2013 by El_Diablo

[sivispacem]

 

Carbon dating is not even accurate most of the time.

It's sufficiently accurate for us to determine that there's a difference of about 65,800,000 years between the extinction of the dinosaurs (approx 66,000,000 years ago) an the anatomical formation of "humans" in a recognisable form (approx. 200,000 years ago).

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

Prove to me dinosaurs and man never exist.

 

Carbon dating is not even accurate most of the time.

 

if you don't understand basic science, then you can't really be a part of this conversation.

 

wait scratch that.

what I meant to say is; if you don't understand basic science, then you shouldn't talk about scientific concepts.

 

otherwise you're welcome to believe anything you want of course.

just don't be surprised when some people laugh.

Like the science of reading, then you'll know this isn't a scientific topic by my first post. And I dont worry, I laugh at myself sometimes too.

[Diggdydog]

 

Yeah that part confuses me aswell. We evolved from monkeys but what about the dinosaurs? Given they had millions years to adapt and change into their environmen. Maybe they didn't die out. Maybe they evolved and left earth.

Haven't read all the thread yet, but I just had to pick this up.

 

 

Your ignorance is very telling sir, we didn't evolve from monkey's. We shared a common ancestor. Meaning that both Humans and Apes sort of 'split off' from a common ancestor.

 

They didn't have millions of years to adapt though? It's proven that whatever it was that killed off the dinosaurs happened very quickly. Was a sudden death for them.

 

 

 

Just if you're interested; google Jesus and the Dinosaurs. It's some sort of warped creationist belief that Jesus 'walked with the dinosaurs' as such. One of the dumbest things I've ever read. They also have some great art work!

 

 

 

 

Down to my beliefs, I'm atheist through and through. I trust in science. I've been an atheist since I can remember, but the final nail in my 'Christian coffin' was when I studied Philosophy and Ethics in high school. Amazingly, all it took was a GCSE level of curiosity to read into the bible to realise that creationist Christians are dumb. I support Christian's that decide to apply teaching of a 'spiritual leader' to their own lives, but I do look down on those who believe in the bible word for word. I seriously don't even care if that offends some people. Just from studying the bible I realised how stupid parts of it are. It's just so unbelievable! It conflicts with its own messages and multiple points, completely refutes other parts and some of it is just waaay to wacky. Anyone ever read about The Sermon on the Mount (I think that's what it's called) where basically, a man gave a sermon to a flock of birds? He must have just eaten a fistful of mystery mushrooms

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2013 by Diggdydog

[Braindawg]

What a great subject you chose to turn a simple topic into a clusterf*ck... This is why I never post in regilion/faith topics -_-

[Barguast]

 

And if I choose not to believe in evolution(if I didn't) that's my God given right.    yeah.

Any rational person has zero choice in what they actually believe to be true. If you're choosing to believe something, rather than just drawing logical conclusions then you're merely deluding yourself.

 

(... urgh, why can't I just leave topics like this alone.)

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

 

And if I choose not to believe in evolution(if I didn't) that's my God given right.     yeah.

Any rational person has zero choice in what they actually believe to be true.

 

(... urgh, why can't I just leave topics like this alone.)

Sigh*

 

Wait what? Rationality is a credence based on believable factors is it not?

Edited March 5, 2013 by IM_YOUR_GOD

[Barguast]

And if I choose not to believe in evolution(if I didn't) that's my God given right.     yeah.

Any rational person has zero choice in what they actually believe to be true. If you're choosing to believe something, rather than just drawing logical conclusions then you're merely deluding yourself.

 

(... urgh, why can't I just leave topics like this alone.)

Sigh*

 

Wait what? Rationality is a credence based on believable factors is it not?

Although they should be, in this case 'belief' and 'believable' aren't necessarily synonymous. Many people have unbelievable beliefs and justify them by preceding their sentences with 'I'd like to believe that...'. It's not the same thing.

 

Rationality is a conclusion based on evidence without any bias towards a preference. For that reason, it is very difficult to apply rationality to religion.

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

I was done posting but I have to disagree. Rationally is not based on evidence. If you can provide me with a textbook definition of this then i'll gladly correct myself. I doubt you'll find one, quite clear your just passionate about the subject.

[Barguast]

I was done posting but I have to disagree. Rationally is not based on evidence. If you can provide me with a textbook definition of this then i'll gladly correct myself. I doubt you'll find one, quite clear your just passionate about the subject.

I'm talking in context of the topic of course. Rational beliefs require evidence. Belief without evidence is called faith.

 

Unless you're still adverse to clicking links, see: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_and_rationality

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

I actually looked at that prior to responding, knowing that was the only source on the internet declaring rationality needs an evidence foundation.

Given that most religious followers find evidences in there holy text I can only conclude that you made my point. And a believe in religion without evidence is an ipsedixitism not faith.

Despite all this, we all fall victim to pagan worship one way of another.

[Barguast]

 

I actually looked at that prior to responding, knowing that was the only source on the internet declaring rationality needs an evidence foundation.

It isn't the only one. Again, context; when you're talking about things such as evolution and religion, then of course evidence comes into it. The logical extension of applying 'reason' and 'logic' (the terms normally associated with rationality) to these concepts is to explore the evidence. You can't just have a feeling that evolution might not be true, and if you're actively rejecting this evidence (as you were previously in this topic) then you are not being rational by definition.

 

 

Given that most religious followers find evidences in there holy text I can only conclude that you made my point. And a believe in religion without evidence is an ipsedixitism not faith.

The Iliad is therefore evidence of Zeus.

 

 

Despite all this, we all fall victim to pagan worship one way of another.

No idea what you mean here.

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

 

I actually looked at that prior to responding, knowing that was the only source on the internet declaring rationality needs an evidence foundation.

 

It isn't the only one. Again, context; when you're talking about things such as evolution and religion, then of course evidence comes into it. The logical extension of applying 'reason' and 'logic' (the terms normally associated with rationality) to these concepts is to explore the evidence. You can't just have a feeling that evolution might not be true, and if you're actively rejecting this evidence (as you were previously in this topic) then you are not being rational by definition.

 

 

Where did I state evolution wasn't true. Please inform me.

 

 

Given that most religious followers find evidences in there holy text I can only conclude that you made my point. And a believe in religion without evidence is an ipsedixitism not faith.

 

The Iliad is therefore evidence of Zeus.

 

 

Ok

 

 

Despite all this, we all fall victim to pagan worship one way of another.

 

No idea what you mean here.

 

Christmas, days of the week, etc.

[Barguast]

You were questioning the validity of the (scientific) theory of evolution earlier in this topic with a backwards interpretation of 'burden of proof'.

 

Christmas, days of the week, etc. are just cultural, they have no religious significance for a growing number of people. Their origin is irrelevant.

[Jake]

Funny you say that Jake, I'm in the endgame of an argument with someone who believes we humans were created by aliens from a planet called Nibiru that supposedly exists in the Kuiper Belt. What an obnoxious, pseudo-scientific belief.

 

I believe we came to be through the process of evolution and abiogenesis.

It can be quite silly when people go into detail as if they know it for a fact. I agree on that. I just enjoy the idea. And maybe we did simply evolve since evolution is fact. I'm just not sure I can agree 100% on it for humans and our progress of evolving so rapidly but I'm always looking for information to read.

 

I differ from others with the thoughts of ancient alien/astronaut theory because I'm just open to the idea. We are beginning to send craft out. So maybe others have as well? Could explain the Gods very well for primitive man. I'm not saying they modified our genetics and whatnot but you never know since we are beginning to do the same things today.

 

To me it is always just a what if besides the hard facts that evolution is a real thing. Pure speculation on any part otherwise. All in good conversation.

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

I was questioning the posters ability to explain what he or she believes accordingly. But you took that out of context to debate.

 

Does religion not fit into the ones culture, especially if that belief is a custom?

 

Its origin is important and to deny that is simple to accept ignorance.

 

Saturday= Saturn

Monday=Moonday

Sunday= you get where i'm going.

 

All name after pagan god(goddess) in one way or another.

[Barguast]

Its origin is important and to deny that is simple to accept ignorance.

 

Saturday= Saturn

Monday=Moonday

Sunday= you get where i'm going.

 

All name after pagan god(goddess) in one way or another.

It's origin is of no relevance to your point that 'we all fall victim to pagan worship one way of another'.

 

The origin of the names of the days of the week are of zero relevance in regards to 'falling victim' (interesting way of phrasing it) to worship, pagan or otherwise. How are you worshipping Týr today? Are you going to honour Thor on Thursday? I'm assume that you aren't a follower of these archaic belief systems, just as I am not a follower of Christianity. As such, Sunday and Christmas have zero relevance to me just as Thorsday and Týrsday have zero relevance to you.

[Kalvin]

Saturday= Saturn

Monday=Moonday

Sunday= you get where i'm going.

 

All name after pagan god(goddess) in one way or another.

The most reasonable conclusion is that they could merely be just words which have been made up to be called as the Days of the Week..

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

You don't have to throw out a towel and start bowing to the moon or sun to worship it is what I'm getting at. These pagans became part of the American culture and some people don't even know why. Like Jesus actually means, hail Zeus. The Romans felt it would of been easier for the pagans to accept Christianity and a white African.

 

And I'm sure everyone said Jesus before, meaning your bowing to Zeus.

 

@ManDog but there not just made up, you would of came to the conclusion if you read the post above yours.

[Kalvin]

Also, I've never read the Bible, because as I've stated before- (I'm a athiest.)

 

But does it anywhere like "Christmas" relate to Jesus being born on that day? Because as I re-call, I read somewhere that Jesus was born in the Summer, around June I think, but they thought it would be better if he was born in the Winter to celebrate the break of a new year.

 

I am not saying that Christmas isn't related to Jesus being born on that day, because it totally is. As the term Christmas, in (Correct me on this, it may be Italian) Spanish is "More Christ", anyway. Even though that fact of him being born on that day is false, people continue to believe he was born on that day.

Not trying to start a arguement here or anything, like the rest of the topic is a big one, haha

[DarrinPA]

 

But does it anywhere like "Christmas" relate to Jesus being born on that day? Because as I re-call, I read somewhere that Jesus was born in the Summer, around June I think, but they thought it would be better if he was born in the Winter to celebrate the break of a new year.

Well according to wikipedia "The date of Christmas may have initially been chosen to correspond with the day exactly nine months after early Christians believed Jesus to have been conceived" But there are also people who celebrate in January. The idea that he was born in summer is often said, but I've never seen the reasoning behind it.

 

Sometimes things get bounced around; take the Sabbath for example - I believe Constantine was partially responsible for moving the Sabbath from Friday evening though Saturday evening to just plain sunday.

[Adler]

 

You don't have to throw out a towel and start bowing to the moon or sun to worship it is what I'm getting at. These pagans became part of the American culture and some people don't even know why. Like Jesus actually means, hail Zeus.  The Romans felt it would of been easier for the pagans to accept Christianity and a white African.  

 

And I'm sure everyone said Jesus before, meaning your bowing to Zeus.

So saying Jesus automatically makes you a pagan. Right, well... that makes total sense.

 

You do understand what worship means right? Like if I just spontaneously said "Hail Satan!" that is not the equivalent of worship since I don't actually believe Satan exists, let alone revere him. I just felt like saying it. Saying things doesn't mean you believe it.

[Deffpony]

 

You don't have to throw out a towel and start bowing to the moon or sun to worship it is what I'm getting at. These pagans became part of the American culture and some people don't even know why. Like Jesus actually means, hail Zeus.  The Romans felt it would of been easier for the pagans to accept Christianity and a white African.  

 

And I'm sure everyone said Jesus before, meaning your bowing to Zeus.

 

@ManDog but there not just made up, you would of came to the conclusion if you read the post above yours.  

I think what Barguast was saying is that religius belief and practice can be completely separate from culture.

 

I drive on the right side of the road because I live in the US. Doesnt mean I worship the DMV.

 

The U.S. dollar says in god we trust, but I dont believe in god.

 

I attended a wedding 2 months ago. Doesnt mean I believe anything the church practices.

 

As far as evolution goes it is fact. It has been proven. The problem is that religious people think "theory" means guess. Gravity is explained through the gravitational theory, which we know to be true. What makes something a theory and not a law or fact is that not all questions are answered. We dont know every minute aspect of how gravity works. BUT a theory can not have one shred of evidence that contradicts it, otherwise it is no longer a theory.

 

There is not one fact that contradicts evolution. Forty was right, kind of. Anyone who doesnt believe in evolution does not base their judgement on fact but rather opinion.

 

Belief is opinion with excuses if you ask me. You have an opinion about something and you use an intangible excuse as basis for validating this opinion. Here is an example.

 

Mormons believe that all black people are condemned to hell. Blacks werent permitted to practice the Mormon religion for years. Mormons are racist, that is their opinion. Their excuse is that blacks are the decendants of the devil. Thus you have opinion validated through an excuse.

Edited March 5, 2013 by deffpony

[Bellic 4 life]

Well, I suppose I should prepare for any sh*tstorm.....

 

 

I am a Pagan. I follow Asatru, while my patron god is Bragi, the God of Poetry, Songs, and the like.

 

I follow this religion, because I feel that I have a stronger feeling of comradery with fellow pagans, even those of other religions and pantheons. It also helps me get more iin touvh with nature, and whatnot.

[Killerdude]

Not believing in Religion =/= Atheism

 

Because in itself, Atheism is actually a religion of it's own.

 

I believe in Evolution, Cause that sh*t has got facts and proof, Gotta love me some facts and proof.

[Mcquiz]

Not believing in Religion =/= Atheism

 

Because in itself, Atheism is actually a religion of it's own.

 

I believe in Evolution, Cause that sh*t has got facts and proof, Gotta love me some facts and proof.

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. So no it's not a religion.

As for me I'm an agnostic atheist.

[El Dildo]

 

Atheism is actually a religion of it's own.

no it's not.

 

atheism simply indicates that someone doesn't believe in god.

it's not religion of its own because it has no belief system, no guidelines, no power structure, and no organization.

 

atheism is just the word that is used to describe someone who isn't religious.

it carries no other connotations.

 

 

I'm an agnostic atheist.

there's no such thing.

 

you're either religious, agnostic, or an atheist.

and if you're agnostic then you're basically just an atheist.

[d0mm2k8]

you're either religious, agnostic, or an atheist.

Well some people use four categories; you're either theist, agnostic-theist, agnostic-atheist or atheist.

 

Theist - 100% certain one or more gods exist

Ag-theist - Not certain but think one or more gods probably exist

Ag-atheist - Not certain but think there's probably no gods

Atheist - 100% sure no gods exist

 

 

Using this, the most rational position to take is agnostic-atheist. But I don't use this and just say 'f*ck it, I'm an atheist' for simplicity.