Kalvin Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Athiest right here, anyway - Straight to the Point. I don't believe in a God, by that I stick to my own theories. But I'm not saying that I think that other peoples theories are true/false. I don't think there is a God, as there's no proof that he does. But there's no proof that he doesn't, either. As El_Diablo and others say - Evolution is real. It happened. There's evidence, if you don't believe Evolution played the way it did, then you're basically lying to yourself, as I said and others did too- There is proof that it happened, there's absolutely no way to deny it, so why continue to do so? There's a tiny bit inside me thinking that Alien's exist, as other peoples views I know are - is that there's gotta be some life out there, because other than us, Humans, and all the animals on Earth.. Why wouldn't there be? It's possible, just as much as it is possible that the Universe is infinite. There's no end. Another thing what makes me doubt about God and others, is the Mayan Calender. Mostly everyone who believed in God knew, atleast Thought. That it was true, but guess what? It's way past that date (21st December 2012) and we're still here, living and carrying on. That's atleast how I see it. ManDog out! Shine o' Vice | Vice City BETA Edition | Grand Theft Auto 3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceRay Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Another thing what makes me doubt about God and others, is the Mayan Calender. Mostly everyone who believed in God knew, atleast Thought. That it was true, but guess what? It's way past that date (21st December 2012) and we're still here, living and carrying on. What? I'm a practising Christian and I never believed that nonsense, neither did any of my Christian friends, same with that Church in America somewhere who thought the world would end in May 2011 and put all those posters up, nobody believed that either. You're pulling stats out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvin Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Yeah, I agree that I am. I was just summing up and was typing it in a hurry Shine o' Vice | Vice City BETA Edition | Grand Theft Auto 3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Moffat Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Born and raised Catholic, but never strictly, it always seemed like more of habit rather than out of faith out of faith, but maybe it just never clicked with me, so I would clasify myself as an Apathesit. ie I do not need nor care if god is real, what happens when you die, it does not affect me and I have no interest in trying to prove to myself or especially others that 'God' may or may not exsist. Life is too short and in my view uncertain, to waste time arguing with either end of the spectrum as you will always encounter extreme ignorance on both sides. The main thing that has always put me really off is the dogma of religions. I view religion as a creation by and for man, hence it has become corrupt and always has been as it was created thousands of years ago. I do find it sicking how people can and do manipulate others for their own needs or tell people they are 'evil' for our choices we make. did'nt god give us free will? Same thing again with the whole homosexuality thing, again a 'loving god the creator and he is against homosexuality? why? but alot of religons especially fundementals are outright hostile towards it. they believe it is a choice? that is BS!! I'm straight and beleive me I would defeinatly not choose to just be gay, because for me it would be unatural, but for a gay person it would be natural. so again a gay person to a bunch of straight people may seem unatural to THEM, which of course it would because they are not gay, but because they did'nt like it and found it unatural it must be against god? please. 'god' is not against gay people, ignorant uneducated people are. not offending anyone just stating my beliefs. Again, this whole creationism arguement on this thread. Ya it's pretty much stone hard fact that evolution is real, yet some people just flat out refuse to deny it because the bible said so? again bible, written by people from thosands of years ago, if you travelled back in time and showed them an ipod they'd accuse you of witch craft, because they would not understand it, same arguement with evolution, they wrote the bible at a time when they could not understand, so god did it. It's just a deus ex machina. I don't understand something, but need to explain it................ugh god did it, simple and at the time unargueable. So I raise the question, why would it be so hard to accept for some people that evolution is real, and maybe a 'god' oversaw it and guided it, sowed the seeds for it? created an enviroment for it. think of evolution as god's ongoing pet project? whats wrong with that? Another bone I have, is the whole oh if your good you go to heaven and are faithful to god, so people doing good deeds becasue god wants them to, seems to me almost selfish, collecting brownie points if you will to get on his good side, again to me BS, I have to interest or beliefs, yet im still a good person mostly and do the right thing, but as I have to interest or firm belief in an afterlife, i still do those kind deeds, for imo no reward. I do it because I WANT TO, not because God tells me too and when people claim god gives me strenth to do it, it kind of worries me, I mean what without god you'd just be a bastard to people, you need some sort of parnt figure to keep in check? I like to do those things becasue I want to, and personally I believe that by doing them for myself, rather than claiming it in the name of othrs, I mean I could argue that that makes me a better person, because I'm doing these deeds and just being moral in general by my own choice, not becasue of fear or hope of personal reward with an joyful afterlife. So, could there be a 'god', I really don't care, what I do care is people dogged attachment to manmade beliefs and therioes of god and what we should do. If 'god' is as loving and caring and took time to make us all and everything around us, then if people live their lives generally good and decent, then that should be enough, not forcing beliefs down others or doing things in his name. and if there is no god, then so what, you'll be dead and your not going to be there sitting in the ground going well this sucks! eh ya, there you go. ps sorry about spelling and such, I'm sleepy zzzzzzz Edited March 5, 2013 by Mr.Moffat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Aliens. I know, ancient alien views are usually considered ridiculous. But to me it seems way more valid than main stream religion and I'm more apt to believe in it. I'm not saying I agree with everything that is said on the show about the theory, but a lot of the bigger ideas seem plausible. Even if I choose to believe in that it doesn't mean there still may not be a grand creator. I would never see it in the way of God, but maybe just a grand Universal energy force. I don't believe in the theory of evolution for humans though. I mean yeah evolution is real, but why would we evolve so quickly and no other species would? But who knows. I enjoy this theory because it's exciting to me. There are holes like any other theory, but what the hell, it is an interesting idea. I'm not some die hard ancient alien theorist. I'm open to all possibilities. Edited March 5, 2013 by Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddsock Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Funny you say that Jake, I'm in the endgame of an argument with someone who believes we humans were created by aliens from a planet called Nibiru that supposedly exists in the Kuiper Belt. What an obnoxious, pseudo-scientific belief. I believe we came to be through the process of evolution and abiogenesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM_YOUR_GOD Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Yeah that part confuses me aswell. We evolved from monkeys but what about the dinosaurs? Given they had millions years to adapt and change into their environmen. Maybe they didn't die out. Maybe they evolved and left earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Dildo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 what about the dinosaurs? Given they had millions years to adapt and change into their environmen. Maybe they didn't die out. Maybe they evolved and left earth. no. they're dead. the dinosaurs died during a global cataclysmic event that was likely the result of an unusually large asteroid impact. we know this because it's evident in the fossil record. there is a layer of Earth (a time period) around which the contents of the sediment changes drastically and most of the dinosaur bones and fossils begin to disappear. it's not because they invented spaceships and left Earth. it's because they all slowly died of starvation and/or heat/cold exhaustion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adler Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Yeah that part confuses me aswell. We evolved from monkeys but what about the dinosaurs? Given they had millions years to adapt and change into their environmen. Maybe they didn't die out. Maybe they evolved and left earth. Considering that 99.9% of species that ever existed on this planet died out, dinosaurs shouldn't be so lucky lol. You're also wrong about the "we evolved from monkeys" part. We're more like cousins to monkeys, and we have a common ancestral species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trip Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Yeah that part confuses me aswell. We evolved from monkeys but what about the dinosaurs? Given they had millions years to adapt and change into their environmen. Maybe they didn't die out. Maybe they evolved and left earth. What? I'm with Adler. We didn't evolve from monkeys. The dinosaurs aren't here because the earth was rendered unlivable thanks to an asteroid. The cool thing is we have ancestors to the dinosaurs - birds. All of this is nicely recorded in carbon records. Well...some people might want to debate the bird thing, but then again they might also think 2 of every living creature and plant could easily fit and travel on a boat for awhile. My crappy games at MyCrappyGames.com Free copy of Save The Puppies and Kittens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Hellraiser Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Oh we all know this is going to go well. I'll try to stay 10 feet away, but just to stay on topic and all...I'm an atheist who is firmly grounded in science. DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!! What do we win? I see no evidence in "Something we can't see, can't prove exists, isn't a tangible thing/being, just decided to create a single place in the universe (Earth) where life exists, and eventually, some of the beings it created somehow learn that the being existed to do all that, even though there is no proof it even exists..." If that makes sense. Science explains all. Evolution, Survival of the Fittest, humans. The end. The next step in the life cycle of Earth will be a global nuclear war, and subequent nuclear winter, where nearly all species will die out, again... And the cycle begins again. Edited March 5, 2013 by fatal1ty619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM_YOUR_GOD Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Random fact did you know the term Dinosaur wasn't coined until 1842 by Sir Richard Owen. deinos "terrible" (see dire) + sauros "lizard," of unknown origin. Before then I believe most call them Dragons. Dragon appears 21 times in the old testament alone. Job 40 and 41 both describe dinosaurs http://www.boingboing.net/filesroot/07-06-07_0716.jpg Also here were I got the ideal of an evolving dinosaur. Make no mistakes. I never stated Evolution is false, if I did please provide me with a link. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 So, a lion and a tiger are the last cats on earth and they mate. They have a Liger. This Liger goes on to have more Liger cats. Over time they develop their own breed. Is this evolution or did God make this creature? $$H New York Crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Dildo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Dragon appears 21 times in the old testament alone.Job 40 and 41 both describe dinosaurs just to be clear, you do understand that humans and dinosaurs never coexisted, right? they never walked the Earth at the same time. I never stated Evolution is false yes but you were acting like you did. you kept telling people to "prove" it even after they provided you with credible links to the proof that you were asking for. you would ignore it and then tell them to instead "prove" it in their own words. as if that makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 So are we all in agreement that evolution is not a myth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 So are we all in agreement that evolution is not a myth? Drink to that. $$H New York Crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trip Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 So are we all in agreement that evolution is not a myth? Can you back it up with some pottery? My crappy games at MyCrappyGames.com Free copy of Save The Puppies and Kittens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrinPA Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 So are we all in agreement that evolution is not a myth? I don't think people are calling it a myth; it's more of 'Is it Theory or Fact'? Many people here have stated that they don't believe in God and only believe in evolution. But there are christians that do believe in both also. To them, it's not a question of how life has changed but how it started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Evolution and a belief in God are not necessarily mutually exclusive. That's more of a creationism/big-bang debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Dildo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 it's not a question of how life has changed but how it started. holy sh*t! a Christian who understands evolution! am I seeing things? quick, someone pinch me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM_YOUR_GOD Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Dragon appears 21 times in the old testament alone.Job 40 and 41 both describe dinosaurs just to be clear, you do understand that humans and dinosaurs never coexisted, right? they never walked the Earth at the same time. I never stated Evolution is false yes but you were acting like you did. you kept telling people to "prove" it even after they provided you with credible links to the proof that you were asking for. you would ignore it and then tell them to instead "prove" it in their own words. as if that makes a difference. Prove to me dinosaurs and man never exist. I just posted some links of artifacts I deem credible. And if I choose not to believe in evolution(if I didn't) that's my God given right. yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 There is this thing called carbon dating. When we use it it can tell us how old something is. Dinosaur bones are much older than any human bones ever found. $$H New York Crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Dragon appears 21 times in the old testament alone.Job 40 and 41 both describe dinosaurs just to be clear, you do understand that humans and dinosaurs never coexisted, right? they never walked the Earth at the same time. I never stated Evolution is false yes but you were acting like you did. you kept telling people to "prove" it even after they provided you with credible links to the proof that you were asking for. you would ignore it and then tell them to instead "prove" it in their own words. as if that makes a difference. Prove to me dinosaurs and man never exist. I just posted some links of artifacts I deem credible. And if I choose not to believe in evolution(if I didn't) that's my God given right. yeah. I'm sorry, but there is a difference between having an opinion about something, and the issue being outlined with hard scientific evidence as factual. There is no room for opinion. No one is saying you are not entitled to your beliefs in God or a Creator, but simply put, evolution happened- believe it or not. Also, please provide links to your statement about the Bible inferring dinosaurs being around with man. I'm curious about that. Not so much the images but the words themselves. P.S. This is my 16,000th post. Milestone topics should be for real milestones. Maybe I'll do one at 20K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trip Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Also, please provide links to your statement about the Bible inferring dinosaurs being around with man. I'm curious about that. Not so much the images but the words themselves. There is some reference to "flying lizards"...watch...you'll see.... My crappy games at MyCrappyGames.com Free copy of Save The Puppies and Kittens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM_YOUR_GOD Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Carbon dating is not even accurate most of the time. You need the decay rate and amount of C14 and given you have really, really good equipment, let's just say it depends on what your dating, calibration and environmental placement. Just don't think your going to get anywhere close to the real age, especially if its believe to be 50,000 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 im done. $$H New York Crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrinPA Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 it's not a question of how life has changed but how it started. holy sh*t! a Christian who understands evolution! am I seeing things? quick, someone pinch me. To me, just as important as questioning the start of life - as in the VERY first living thing - is the question of consciousness. Evolution could easily happen once life has begun, starting is the hard part. But were does consciousness and self awareness come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roebuck34 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Uh to im your god please stop wasting my air thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM_YOUR_GOD Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Uh to im your god please stop wasting my air thank you. Lol. I'm sorry. I don't wanna die, yet. I still have to finish school, complete my mobile app and roll more joints up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 it's not a question of how life has changed but how it started. holy sh*t! a Christian who understands evolution! am I seeing things? quick, someone pinch me. To me, just as important as questioning the start of life - as in the VERY first living thing - is the question of consciousness. Evolution could easily happen once life has begun, starting is the hard part. But were does consciousness and self awareness come from? Consciousness and self awareness are traits of complex organisms, which gained that complexity through evolution by natural selection. Not all living things are conscious or self aware - they merely complete their biological functions and don't ponder the universe or their place in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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