The Story of Huemans!

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

That's the point, I actually wrote why I believe in a creator or lack there of. All you have to do is tell me what makes evolution real in your lenses. Not saying it false. You just have to support the distinction. simple.

no.

Please go troll somewhere else. Your immature and should take your own advice and grow up a little.

[GTA_stu]

Why would they want to deny it?

Nobody is "denying" anything. The fact is we don't know everything about the way the Earth formed, we are still unsure about a lot of things, especially the smaller details. There's evidence that suggests a lot of different ways in which the Earth formed, there is no definitive account we can give.

 

 

Perhaps it's because it lines up with the Bible's idea of earth's formation.

 

I'm sorry, what?

[gizmo]

That's the point, I actually wrote why I believe in a creator or lack there of. All you have to do is tell me what makes evolution real in your lenses. Not saying it false. You just have to support the distinction. simple.

no.

Please go troll somewhere else. Your immature and should take your own advice and grow up a little.

click the link is all i have to say.

[DarrinPA]

 

Why would they want to deny it?

Nobody is "denying" anything. The fact is we don't know everything about the way the Earth formed, we are still unsure about a lot of things, especially the smaller details. There's evidence that suggests a lot of different ways in which the Earth formed, there is no definitive account we can give.

 

Yes, some actually do deny it. They are more than willing to stick to the other versions because they've been accepted for so long. Tradition shouldn't stop science from moving forward and admitting that the other theories could be/are wrong.

 

 

Perhaps it's because it lines up with the Bible's idea of earth's formation.

 

I'm sorry, what?

 

The Bible's story of formation states that when it was formed it was covered in nothing but water at first. The cool early earth theory doesn't seem to get much support, so I was implying that it could be because it lines up with the Biblical version.

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

 

That's the point, I actually wrote why I believe in a creator or lack there of. All you have to do is tell me what makes evolution real in your lenses. Not saying it false. You just have to support the distinction. simple.

no.

Please go troll somewhere else. Your immature and should take your own advice and grow up a little.

click the link is all i have to say.

Great, now leave.

 

 

On Topic:

 

I will like to get some Muslims or Buddhist in here to describe their beliefs.

[Finn 7 five 11]

I don't believe there is a god, or a creator, I don't know how it happened, all I know is it did, and it could have done infinity times over, the big bang could have happened googleplex times over, or a googleplex of googleplexes over.

 

I also think anyone who does not believe in evolution is incredibly naive. There is so much proof for it, they have even witnessed it happening in the space of 30 years.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news...-evolution.html

 

I actually cannot understand people who refuse to accept evolution, I really don't get it.

[LewisMiller]

Atheist, i've always thought religion is silly because there is so many gods and different religions from all over the world among over reasons. Also evolution is proven, Cave Geckos.

[GTA_stu]

 

Perhaps it's because it lines up with the Bible's idea of earth's formation.

 

I'm sorry, what?

 

The Bible's story of formation states that when it was formed it was covered in nothing but water at first. The cool early earth theory doesn't seem to get much support, so I was implying that it could be because it lines up with the Biblical version.

I think it's more to do with the fact that there is conflicting evidence, and competing scientific theories. There's also limited evidence for these theories. Cool early Earth theory gets plenty of support, in that it is seen as a viable possibility, it's just that few people are willing to definitively say that it is the way the Earth was formed. In that sense it has little support, but it's not like the Scientific community disregards it in the way you seem to be suggesting, it's just that there is not enough evidence to state it as fact.

 

And I fail to see how it lines up with the Bible's account, other than the cool early Earth theory posits there was likely liquid water present. I'm pretty sure the Bible is against the idea of Earth being about 4.5 billion years old. It definitely doesn't line up with the Biblical version.

Edited March 4, 2013 by GTA_stu

[Tchuck]

Perhaps it's because it lines up with the Bible's idea of earth's formation.

 

I'm sorry, what?

 

The Bible's story of formation states that when it was formed it was covered in nothing but water at first. The cool early earth theory doesn't seem to get much support, so I was implying that it could be because it lines up with the Biblical version.

You left out the part where an all powerful being made everything happen at his whim.

 

@whatsstrength: But technically if God has made all of us and predetermined the outcomes of our lives and such, would that mean that he made some people to specifically not believe him so he could punish them?

 

On topic:

 

I was never really religious, even though being brought up a lutheran, I dropped out of services and church and whatnot as soon as my parents gave me the choice. It all seemed pretty farfetched, taking the words of a thousand year old book as law and whatnot. I do see some value in some of the lessons the bible, and other holy texts, tries to teach, but I do not like how it's being used.

 

What I believe in is randomness, which is something very hard for us human beings to understand. I believe that we came to be by chance, by a random event out of an endless number of possibilities in our universe. And that randomness kept going at it, eventually generating the mutation or animal that would lead to being what we are today. It sounds much more precious to me that at some point in time, a specific factor, with an x amount of possible values, collapsed to value n, and led to everything we have to today. Shows how fragile everything really is, and to me makes it all the more beautiful. Chance, that's the name of the game.

[DarrinPA]

 

I think it's more to do with the fact that there is conflicting evidence, and competing scientific theories. There's also limited evidence for these theories. Cool early Earth theory gets plenty of support, in that it is seen as a viable possibility, it's just that few people are willing to definitively say that it is the way the Earth was formed. In that sense it has little support, but it's not like the Scientific community disregards it in the way you seem to be suggesting, it's just that there is not enough evidence to state it as fact.

 

And I fail to see how it lines up with the Bible's account, other than the cool early Earth theory posits there was likely liquid water present. I'm pretty sure the Bible is against the idea of Earth being about 4.5 billion years old. It definitely doesn't line up with the Biblical version.

Actually it's not. The timeline in the Bible is very misrepresented. Athiest and Christians both seem to always say "the bible says it 7,000 years old" or something, but that's not correct. The early formation as described in the bible is not set to a time table.

 

 

it's not like the Scientific community disregards it in the way you seem to be suggesting, it's just that there is not enough evidence to state it as fact.

Neither do their other theories but they have a much stronger followers, plus they are taught in schools. Most people have never heard of the cool earth theory.

 

 

You left out the part where an all powerful being made everything happen at his whim.

I know this subject can make people heated but lets not make remarks with childish overtones.

[Mr.Mister]

I do believe that there are other civilizations out there in the universe and that they go through similar trials as us (survival, reproduction, etc) I always try to look for patterns in nature. Religion to me is just a form of philosophy, and things like the bible is just an old world moral compass in a otherwise dark age of human history.

 

What boggles me is the paranormal

[GTA_stu]

Actually it's not. The timeline in the Bible is very misrepresented. Athiest and Christians both seem to always say "the bible says it 7,000 years old" or something, but that's not correct. The early formation as described in the bible is not set to a time table.

 

 

I thought the age of the Earth (according to young earth creationists) was calculated by using the ages of Adam's descendants, and the genaelogies and lineages defined in the various books of the bible to work out the time between Adam and Abraham. I might be getting this wrong here, but Abraham was a descendant of Adam? I'm probably getting this waaay wrong. But basically the reason the age of the Earth is given as 7,000 years (or whatever it supposedly is) is because Biblical historians managed to trace Adam's lineage to a certain person, and they could calculate relatively precisely the time between Adam and this descendant, and then calculate the time between the descendant and present day. And it worked out as being 7,000 years (or whatever it supposedly is).

 

Am I talking bollocks, or is that the basic premise for why the Earth is generally believed to be about 10,000 years old, according to YEC? If not, then why is it "confused" according to you, as being that age?

[Tyler]

Never really one for belief in an all-powerful creator or creators. I tried to push myself into that line of thought when I was younger so I could fit in with certain groups and because those beliefs were held deeply by people I thought of as inspirations. Didn't end well for me. Nowadays I just go along with the wind, really.

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

The Earth is surly more than 10,000 years and I don't know how they came to conclude that. The bible has been changed numerous times but the messages still stayed the same. Don't know why the removed the Book of Enoch. Despite anything, I rather believe in a God of the universe than the ancient alien bullsh*t. Totally makes no freaking sense.

 

Alien race visit earth for gold. Scientists create huemans. Huemans mine gold. Aliens saw the women and lusted. Create race of Giants who rule. Scientists realize mistake and floods planet. Rebel scientists save a family(Noah's) from destruction. Aliens leave Earth but leaves a group to watch over them. This group is know as the watchers. The book of Enoch.

 

Enoch was Noahs grandfather.

[Typhus]

I personally like The Devil.

He isn't real, of course. But then, neither was Prometheus. But they're basically the same character.

The same characters are repeated throughout folklore and religion.

 

Yes. Even in modern mythology like comic books, we have a character like The Joker - who is simply a new interpretation of the Chaos God - previously embodied by Loki and Set respectively. And none the less effective for being knowingly false.

 

We have characters who represent benevolence or rebellion or even lust. But the characters are merely reflections of the world that thought them into being.

God is us and we are God.

 

Bringing me back to the Devil. A fiction, yes. But a pleasing fiction that speaks to me on a personal level. He represents the struggle against power, the struggle of all humans to establish their own individuality.

The Abrahamic God is a domineering parent - full of hypocrisy and absolutes.

The Devil is the adult who broke away from the parent - wise, worldly, in tune with his desires.

 

What character sounds more pleasant? The one who demands respect with threats and coercion? Or the character full of that great human trait; pride?

 

The funny thing is that were the Devil to actually exist, the notion of worshipers would disgust him.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Typhus

[Acehilm]

I believe that our existence on Earth doesn't have much backstory. We are here right now, mainly because of evolution. I don't believe, but know there is more significance to the human's perspective, other than physical matter. Our consisous mind is always the backdrop. The mind is this 'almighty' procesor that we mistake for a physical being. Our consisouness is infact this higher power which most fail to recognize. The 'god' they speak of, is actually our own consisousness. All religion points to this one power, to find inner peace when in fact we are our own creator.

 

 

[H.I.M.]

I don't believe in anything superstitious.

Me too. I always believe something only if there is good evidence too & I guess that our (humans and animals) haven't got anything to do with The Almighty.

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

@Typhus

 

You seem very passionate about this topic. I'm glad you realize your mistake and came correct. The devil is indeed the scapegoat and is worship by many across the globe and is known by many names, Baal, Moloch or Satan/Saturn. However I will try to relate myself to Christ, despite it harder in this day and age but certainly not impossible. Just need to learn how to be more self discipline and practice his teachings.

Edited March 4, 2013 by IM_YOUR_GOD

[mrpain]

I do believe in a god. But if you try to convince me there's something more than that, then nah. I believe there is a god who created the universe we all live in today. Nabi Muhammad, Jesus Christ and whatever else religious icons are just stories to me.

 

When I was a kid, my parents would always sign me up for these Muslim religious classes. I'm sorry but I just couldn't be bothered learning and BELIEVING. There's Allah, I know that but can't expect me to believe there's a whole another story behind the dude.

 

Kinda ironic because my late grandfather was an Imam. A Muslim priest.

[Raavi]

I'm spiritual but absolutely not religious. "God made this", "God does this" is absolutely bullsh*t to me, I respect it but that's all. However, I do believe in things like karma and positive attraction etc. Since it actually worked out for me a lot of times and thus I have individual proof of it.

[H.I.M.]

I'm spiritual but absolutely not religious. "God made this", "God does this" is absolutely bullsh*t to me

Exactly man. Just what I was saying Have a cuppa..

 

[DEALUX]

I don't believe in a creator simply because I don't think there's any evidence for it, at least not a creator that cares about its creation.

 

 

I also think anyone who does not believe in evolution is incredibly naive. There is so much proof for it, they have even witnessed it happening in the space of 30 years.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news...-evolution.html

Isn't that lizard experiment supposed to prove it basically? How can anyone still deny it unless they choose not to inform themselves?

 

 

However, I do believe in things like karma and positive attraction etc. Since it actually worked out for me a lot of times and thus I have individual proof of it.

I'm not really sure what you mean by that. From the physics point of view, causality can make good things happen to you if you are a good person, but you are not invulnerable to bad events no matter how good you are. This also doesn't necessarily mean that every criminal or bad person will be punished in the end; some people have gotten and will get away with it.

Edited March 4, 2013 by _____

[theNGclan]

[twinkiller]

I am not so sure if there is a God, but I do believe in the paranormal and ghosts.Overall, I think that there are things in the universe that we can't explain. Oh and by the way theNGclan, that picture is really kinda f*cked up, but it made me laugh.

[orbitalraindrops]

I dislike fundamentals of all types, Christians and atheists. My dad is a militant atheist. Disciple of Dawkins, Darwin, Hitchens etc. Loves Science and Reason. Fact of the matter is that whilst being an atheist he still usest the same dogma, underhand tactics and rhetorics (Just based around different concepts) that fundies use.

 

 

As for me...

 

I have seen no evidence that there is a God

I have seen no evidence that there isn't a God

I don't think humans will ever know if there is a God or not

Even if they did know I don't think the human brain could comprehend it

 

Therefore I'm Agnostic.

Or as I call it - the realist choice.

 

Look up Wittgenstein Language Games. It's basically a theory that shows how aruging between religous and non religous people wil lget no where due to the strong embedded mind sets and the different use of language especially in reference to words such as reason, god, logic, science and evolution etc.

 

Don't believe in the Paranormal/ Supernatural.

Do believe in Aliens but doubt we'll meet them in our lifetime or even the Earths lifetime.

Edited March 4, 2013 by orbitalraindrops

[DarrinPA]

 

I thought the age of the Earth (according to young earth creationists) was calculated by using the ages of Adam's descendants, and the genaelogies and lineages defined in the various books of the bible to work out the time between Adam and Abraham. I might be getting this wrong here, but Abraham was a descendant of Adam? I'm probably getting this waaay wrong. But basically the reason the age of the Earth is given as 7,000 years (or whatever it supposedly is) is because Biblical historians managed to trace Adam's lineage to a certain person, and they could calculate relatively precisely the time between Adam and this descendant, and then calculate the time between the descendant and present day. And it worked out as being 7,000 years (or whatever it supposedly is).

 

Am I talking bollocks, or is that the basic premise for why the Earth is generally believed to be about 10,000 years old, according to YEC? If not, then why is it "confused" according to you, as being that age?

You are correct about the genealogy being used to date the earth, but that's where the mistake comes in with YEC theory. The Bible doesn't have people on it until Genesis 1:27. Many things took place before the addition of people on earth. The begining of the earth is described as "without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters [Genesis 1:2]" But it doesn't describe how long it was in that state because day and night had not been introduced yet. So the earth, according to the bible, was formless and filled with water - then light was introduced - then land and vegetation but again we have no idea how long it stayed that way because time was not fully introduced yet.

 

 

 

[Vercetti27]

I believe people put too much emphasis on religion and faith in general.

 

To be honest I really don't have any interesting beliefs on this subject at all, I can't even be bothered to put some thought into it.

[H. León]

I say I'm agnostic, but I don't believe in any religion, I just think that the universe must have started in some way, maybe an energy of some sort.

[AceRay]

I was literally about to post this picture when I came in. Sums up everything really.

[El Dildo]

 

tell me what makes evolution real

because it's in the fossil record.

all you have to do is dig up bones and keep going deeper.

 

as you move through the crust of the Earth you find an encyclopedic wealth of data which tells you about the history of the planet.

this data is found in the form of fossilized flora, fauna, and to a lesser extent intact skeletons or "mummified" remains (in the case of extreme freezing). this is like a physical snapshot of life on Earth at different periods of time. the Earth's crust is conveniently layered - like a cake - by different kinds of rock formations and sediment layers; dirt, sand, clay, hardened magma, etc.

 

these layers indicate distinct changes on the planets surface, such as when lava flowed, or ice glaciers cut, or meteors impacted, etc.

they provide you with a timetable to match up with the different kinds of fossils that are buried within.

 

evolution is true because you can see it with your eyes and (as a theoretical construct) it is consistent across all species of life and all current models of biology, chemistry, and geology. there is no serious discussion in the scientific community about evolution. scientists have moved on to more important topics because no one disagrees... at least no one worth listening to.

 

evolution happened whether you want to "believe" in it or not.

 

 

Pascal's Wager. If you believe in God you have nothing to lose, but if you don't, then no outcome is good for you. There is one flaw with this theory; God would know if you're faking a belief in him. But then again, you have nothing to lose by at least giving it a shot.

 

Pascal's Wager is a joke.

 

if god was real, don't you think he would see right through this nonsense?

think about it.

 

if you only believe in god because you're just hedging your bets and are scared not to believe, then you don't really believe and you're NOT going to fool god.

if the only way into heaven is to believe in god... and you only believe in order to play it safe... and god knows everything... then he's not going to fall for it. he's going to send you to hell still

 

if you're going to believe, you really need to believe.

god isn't that stupid.

 

but it's ok! the good news is that you don't really have to worry about it.

...because god doesn't exist