Are American public schools that bad?

[ryuclan]

Please let's not start another American vs European world. It's safe to say Europe has done a great deal for America, they gave us English for crying out loud.

Gave us English....Gave us English. Hmmmm

[GTA_stu]

One thing I never understand is how some people think Africa is a country, or that Europe is a country. It's not just Americans that think that either, the UK and rest of Europe has plenty of stupid people. Grown adults just having such a poor grasp of geography, science and history, just really fundamental basic things. How do they even manage to eat without stabbing themselves to death with the spoon?

 

Also this:

 

 

Edited March 5, 2013 by GTA_stu

[lil weasel]

People (kids) learn enough to pass the test. Teacher's now make sure the kid can answer the test.

when the schooling ends so does most of the memory of what might have been taught 'for the test'.

I've heard people when asked to name a place in Central America who will say Kansas.

Education only serves as long as the knowledge is needed.

We used to learn multiplication by rote. I was talking with a clerk in a store about that and counting change. A woman came out of nowhere, very angry, claimed to be a teacher shouting, "They don't need to Now. They can use calculators." Then she stomped off.

[DarrinPA]

 

Homelessness is a wicked form of poverty I agree. But I think what the problem is is the discrimination of the homeless. When people see a homeless person on the street they automatically think mentally ill alcoholic/drug abuser. And in a lot of cases this could be true but there are times when it's not. He could be a wounded vet. It he could have a rare disease that drained all of his money and left him broke. But I think the solution of the problem isn't socialism and bringing down the wealthy to help the needy. The solution is to educate more people to embrace the true capitalist ideals of everyone getting a fair chance to prove themselves and self reliance is golden and the key to success.

Nobody wants to take down the wealthy, I personally just want them to pay their fair share of taxes. Right now it's the middle class that is being taken down by having to carrying the burden because they wealthy has slipped past the tax man.

 

 

The solution is to educate more people to embrace the true capitalist ideals of everyone getting a fair chance to prove themselves and self reliance is golden and the key to success

But how would that help "a wounded vet", a person with "a rare disease that drained all of his money and left him broke"? you're saying

 

the poor should embrace the system and see all the upsides to it instead of only looking at the downsides and thinking they are owed something because they lost the game.

What 'upsides' if the wealthy shouldn't be "burdened" [i.e. taxed fairly] with helping? This isn't a "game", most people don't intentionally lose. Situations like cancer, which ruins families finances, isn't a person's fault.

 

America has been tricked into thinking things like healthcare are a luxury and only owed to those who can afford it. People who fight for this country have EARNED the healthcare they need, but instead the politicians give themselves great healthcare for the rest of their lives while letting VA hospitals go with limited funding.

 

 

 

its people like you that have me concerned for the future of America

Same to you!

 

A few people on this board are aware of my job. If you knew what I did, you would know why I feel the way I do about corruption that is rampant. I know why certain people get ahead in life, unfairly, because of what they have done.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

Homelessness is a wicked form of poverty I agree. But I think what the problem is is the discrimination of the homeless. When people see a homeless person on the street they automatically think mentally ill alcoholic/drug abuser. And in a lot of cases this could be true but there are times when it's not. He could be a wounded vet. It he could have a rare disease that drained all of his money and left him broke. But I think the solution of the problem isn't socialism and bringing down the wealthy to help the needy. The solution is to educate more people to embrace the true capitalist ideals of everyone getting a fair chance to prove themselves and self reliance is golden and the key to success.

Nobody wants to take down the wealthy, I personally just want them to pay their fair share of taxes. Right now it's the middle class that is being taken down by having to carrying the burden because they wealthy has slipped past the tax man.

 

 

You seriously can't be naive enough to believe that "a fair share" is something the American public -who are extremely ignorant when it comes to our tax structure beyond their elementary education required to fill out their W-2 and 1040 forms- can come to a consensus on. You know deep down inside that a "fair share" will be left to politicians -whose parties carry their own ulterior motives."Fair share" is vague political buzzword talk. Most critics of the taxes in the US are uninformed on the policy.

 

I agree 100% that our system is unfair, but laziness is a plague in this country. We've finally become too lazy to care about our own issues. This comes full circle to the American mindset of entitlement and blame when it comes to education. We rely on a third party to look out for our interest ('politicians') because we are too lazy to do so ourselves. That's the real cause of our current political state. Politicians haven't changed in the recent centuries. It's the disengaged public that cares about everything but the real issues who have changed. The middle class' leisurely and uninformed attitude in recent decades that accompanied our financial success has sheltered us from caring about real issues. So blinded by our prosperity that we no longer know/care about the value of it. This is why we struggle in the same education system that Indians and the Chinese can immigrate into and excel in. We aren't hungry anymore.

 

When you go to an American school, you see kids worrying about who's wearing what, who's kissing who, who's f*cking who, who's fighting who, who's driving what, who's gossiping about who, and who's listening to what. Any American on here can testify that our social system in our schools is f*cked up and rewards the shallow bimbos/bros who don't question anything. Little to no deeper conversation and thinking takes place. The ironic thing is that the parents do the exact same thing but in the workplace. Most Americans are too lazy to inform themselves on the polices in which they criticize much like they are too lazy to work hard in school. Instead, they rely on politicians to tell them what they want to here to reconfirm the misconceptions they already had. We allow politicians to tell us that it's everyone's fault but our own that our kids are failing when the real problem starts at home. Accountability is at an all time low in America right now.

Edited March 5, 2013 by canttakemyid

[gtamann123]

Homelessness is a wicked form of poverty I agree. But I think what the problem is is the discrimination of the homeless. When people see a homeless person on the street they automatically think mentally ill alcoholic/drug abuser. And in a lot of cases this could be true but there are times when it's not. He could be a wounded vet. It he could have a rare disease that drained all of his money and left him broke. But I think the solution of the problem isn't socialism and bringing down the wealthy to help the needy. The solution is to educate more people to embrace the true capitalist ideals of everyone getting a fair chance to prove themselves and self reliance is golden and the key to success.

Nobody wants to take down the wealthy, I personally just want them to pay their fair share of taxes. Right now it's the middle class that is being taken down by having to carrying the burden because they wealthy has slipped past the tax man.

 

 

You seriously can't be naive enough to believe that "a fair share" is something the American public -who are extremely ignorant when it comes to our tax structure beyond their elementary education required to fill out their W-2 and 1040 forms- can come to a consensus on. You know deep down inside that a "fair share" will be left to politicians -whose parties carry their own ulterior motives."Fair share" is vague political buzzword talk. Most critics of the taxes in the US are uninformed on the policy.

 

I agree 100% that our system is unfair, but laziness is a plague in this country. We've finally become too lazy to care about our own issues. This comes full circle to the American mindset of entitlement and blame when it comes to education. We rely on a third party to look out for our interest ('politicians') because we are too lazy to do so ourselves. That's the real cause of our current political state. Politicians haven't changed in the recent centuries. It's the disengaged public that cares about everything but the real issues who have changed. The middle class' leisurely and uninformed attitude in recent decades that accompanied our financial success has sheltered us from caring about real issues. So blinded by our prosperity that we no longer know/care about the value of it. This is why we struggle in the same education system that Indians and the Chinese can immigrate into and excel in. We aren't hungry anymore.

 

When you go to an American school, you see kids worrying about who's wearing what, who's kissing who, who's f*cking who, who's fighting who, who's driving what, who's gossiping about who, and who's listening to what. Any American on here can testify that our social system in our schools is f*cked up and rewards the shallow bimbos/bros who don't question anything. Little to no deeper conversation and thinking takes place. The ironic thing is that the parents do the exact same thing but in the workplace. Most Americans are too lazy to inform themselves on the polices in which they criticize much like they are too lazy to work hard in school. Instead, they rely on politicians to tell them what they want to here to reconfirm the misconceptions they already had. We allow politicians to tell us that it's everyone's fault but our own that our kids are failing when the real problem starts at home. Accountability is at an all time low in America right now.

He sounds like the type of person who wants to "tax the rich, feed the poor, until there ain't no rich no more" some of the rich can pay up to 50% in tax. Instead of destroying the wealthy shouldn't we make it something to strive towards instead of something people hate? I've never understood the "hate the rich" mentality that's sweeping the nation. It's jealousy at its finest and instead of wanting to join them they want to blame them for the world ills and want to bring them down. Atleast that's my view on it

[Diggdydog]

^is this guy sounding like a massive dick to anybody else?

[DarrinPA]

 

^is this guy sounding like a massive dick to anybody else?

Yes, he's started off by accusing me of being a socialist because I was refering to corrupt politicians/cronies. I was going to start talking about Jessie Jackson Jr, but he is so quick to judge I'm not going to waste my time.

 

 

He sounds like the type of person who wants to "tax the rich, feed the poor, until there ain't no rich no more"

 

 

Now in not calling you out saying your a die hard socialist or anything (even though you might be idk) but its people like you that have me concerned for the future of America.

 

I've already clearly explained myself well enough that I don't have to keep responding to these vague and childish accusations.

 

 

If you want to talk about the issues, that's fine, but stop trying to label me.

[sivispacem]

 

Capitalism ultimately rewards the hungry and motivated.

Capitalism ultimately rewards the connected, those on top are usually born into money.

Not to single this out unnecessarily, but Capitalist-derived economic and political systems tend to result in the smallest practical, relative number of individuals retaining power- economic or otherwise- through hereditary or otherwise non-technocratic means of any politio-economic system out there. It's a bit of a fallacy that those at the top in Capitalist economies are usually born into money- if that were the case, then why does the vast majority of the "1%" in the US consist of career professionals with no hereditary wealth? That isn't to say large numbers of the very wealthiest inherit their money through marriage or blood- but to dismiss the entire Capitalist philosophy as a nepotist economic autocracy is at best naive and at worst wilfully deceitful.

 

The strongest examples of truly laissez-faire, demand-led Capitalism in modern history (see, for example, post-war West Germany) resulted in technocratic and meritocratic societies. Those where economic interference by government entities goes only as far as enforcing exchange rather than actively demanding competition resulted in silo mentalities amongst economic power players, stifled progress and created nepotism- for instance, the mid-Cold-War United States.

Edited March 5, 2013 by sivispacem

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

^is this guy sounding like a massive dick to anybody else?

A massive dick for having drastically different views than you...? He may have very blunt and slightly insensitive views, but as someone who was actually educated in the US public schooling system, he is speaking from a more credible perspective on the topic than you are. gtamann123 seems to be getting at the valid point that wealth-discouraging barriers hurt the poor more than anyone. He also carries the very valid suspicion that the current anti-1% fad is partly jealousy and frustration by ones own shortcomings dressed in righteous activism for the lower class as a whole. No need to make this personal.

 

 

I've also seen a lot of anti-capitalism on here as well. People are conveniently forgetting that just about every other system in the world has resulted in equal or more cronyism and corruption. That also leads into my next point that the US isn't the end-all be-all case study of capitalism as sivispacem pointed out. Our way isn't the only way; it's just the most financially lucrative and criticized example to date. The ignorant assumption that the "rich" in America are born into money is merely an uninformed stereotype. Most of the rich in America worked their way up by capitalizing on relatively limited resources afforded to them.

[Diggdydog]

No I'm referring to the way he keeps making incredibly heavy handed statements that all poor people are lazy and just don't try hard enough to get out of poverty. When in fact, some people really can't get out of it for various reasons. Just kinda dickish to make such sweeping statements. Although I don't doubt he's more knowledgeable about public schooling in America.

 

I'm not even socialist, I quite like the pros of capitalism. But I really dislike the way our system (not saying it's designed this way or anything) helps the rich get richer, but keeps the poor poorer. The minority hold the majority. I also find it really annoying the way huge businesses have pretty much taken over all small businesses.

 

This really has gotten a bit off topic hasn't it? Haha!

 

Sorry 'bout that

 

[epoxi]

useless things like maths and do not teach things that you need in life

"Maths is useless" haha, that's a funny joke. It's fun to be sarcastic and call one of the most important tools in modern society useless.

[Mr Rabbit]

useless things like maths and do not teach things that you need in life

"Maths is useless" haha, that's a funny joke. It's fun to be sarcastic and call one of the most important tools in modern society useless.

I have noticed that most people who call maths useless are those who are sh*t at it, who can't do it.

[Johan]

Not the ones that I go to OP, only in schools it's pretty terrible but restaurants and the malls etc are pretty much clean

[AtomicPunk]

They are bad when it comes to education. Liberals loons wrote most of the books and teach kids inaccurate historical facts. The math is laughable, at best. It's all been dumbed down so that the schools can get more funding. It's become about money. The 'no kid left behind' law is an embarrassment to education. It should be the way it always was; If you cannot pass the classes you are required to, at your age, then that person should be put into special education classes, NOT dumb down all the curiculum just so they can "pass". All the smarter kids suffer. The whol;e system needs to be started over by groups who are not leaning one way or the other politically, religiously, etc., etc.. I constantly had to correct the crap that my daughter used to be taught in public school 'til we finally just put her in private school. This is what happens when zionists try to poisen the minds of the youth with their propoganda. It's fact and there's tens of millions of other people who will tell you the same.

[King Kapone]

Depends on the neighborhood / area. Broken windows theory.

[Bellic 4 life]

 

Just..... like..... my school.......

 

 

 

[IluvBrookeSkye]

stupidn retarded americaaaaaaans, so effin' dumb supid yanks lol