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DarksunDaFirst
On 1/21/2019 at 8:57 AM, Funktipus said:

Where was the Chiefs defense on that final drive in OT? You're this close to the SB....SOMEBODY has to step up and make a play.

 

A quote from a Chiefs fan on twitter;

 

"If the Chiefs just knew to line up onsides, I'd be watching the Super Bowl in two weeks. Now I couldn't care less about it."

This is where Reid is again showcasing one of his shortcomings as a great head coach, and it boils down to stubbornness.  He had a chance get rid of his DC after last season and didn't do it.  The DC couldn't get a crucial stop (well, technically they did but someone was offsides...inconsequential as it was, still offsides) when it mattered most.

I still hate the NFL OT rules though.  No game should be determined by the flip of a coin - which is what happened.  Same thing would have happened if it went the Chiefs way - Pats weren't stopping them.

On 1/22/2019 at 1:34 AM, GTA3Rockstar said:

 

Just expand the current rule; if the first team scores a fg, then the other team gets a chance but extend it for a touchdown. So regardless, each team gets one offensive possession. If there's a defensive score, pick-six or safety, game over.

 

 

This.  

But also have a standard 15 minute quarter.  Can't just let the clock to indefinitely run - if a team scores a td and the other team is driving but runs out of time, game over.  

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Pink Pineapple

This is the best view I've seen of that pass interference. I've never seen a penalty so obvious and in such clear view by a ref that didn't get called. 

 

 

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Urban Legends

Just ran across this; https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/watch-official-appears-to-wave-off-colleague-for-flag-on-controversial-call/ar-BBSEnCu?li=BBnb7Kz

 

The ref is like furious the other line judge #13 is saying YO That's a penalty! It's some weird ass sh*t! The Folks of New Orleans rob mother f*ckers like it's going out of style..so I don't really care them getting robbed. The game went on and there was other chances..still crazy though!!!

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GTA3Rockstar
22 hours ago, DarksunDaFirst said:

 

This.  

But also have a standard 15 minute quarter.  Can't just let the clock to indefinitely run - if a team scores a td and the other team is driving but runs out of time, game over.  

 

They have 10 minutes for regular season, and 15 minutes for playoffs but that doesn't matter if it's over within 5 minutes lol

 

 

If they changed it to where each team gets one offensive possession; where a defensive score can win it, then some teams might defer the kick just so they know exactly what they need to do to win.

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DarksunDaFirst
25 minutes ago, GTA3Rockstar said:

 

They have 10 minutes for regular season, and 15 minutes for playoffs but that doesn't matter if it's over within 5 minutes lol

 

 

If they changed it to where each team gets one offensive possession; where a defensive score can win it, then some teams might defer the kick just so they know exactly what they need to do to win.

Agreed, and I think we're agreed in the basic principals that if a team wins a coinflips and drives down the field for a touchdown - that shouldn't be the end of the game.  

I want to see the ENTIRE team compete to win the game in OT, not half of it.  Especially when both halves are completely mismatched.  As I said before - whoever won that cointoss was winning that game, because neither the Patriots or the Chiefs were stopping the other team from scoring a touchdown on the opening drive.  

I like this method even more because it just gives more drama to "the decision" on 4th down on the edge of a kicker's goldilocks zone.  Do you kick a FG and try to get a stop on defense?  Do you go for it?  Do you punt and try to pin them deep?  It would actually make that coin toss more meaningful because it's not an automatic "we want the ball" decision.  

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Larcen

I was having a conversation with my coworkers about this yesterday, and one guy said:

 

"Why don't they make the NFL OT just a series of 2-point conversion attempts?  First team to convert and stop the other team from converting wins."

 

And...I actually really like this idea.  For starters, it involves both offense and defense (which is a key characteristic for fairness).  And 2-pt tries are typically 50/50 anyways so I think that the odds are in the favor of one team converting while the other fails (as opposed to Y/Y and N/N); that is, it's unlikely that this method would spiral into six or seven OT periods.

 

If you're putting a premium on player safety after 60 minutes of play, this is also the safest solution.

 

I really can't find much fault with this proposal.  It's high-stakes as f*ck, exciting, fair, and it eliminates ties.

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GTA3Rockstar
On 1/23/2019 at 8:12 AM, feckyerlife said:

You gotta understand the NFL is not like other sports leagues. The NFL is the sports and Entertainment business. Entertainment being the keyword.  im not a Bronco's fan but this guy does a great write up on the explanation.

https://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?220031-Is-the-NFL-an-Entertainment-Business-like-the-WWE

 

Yeaaaa but you have to understand that every sporting event is a form of entertainment. lol

 

To think its all set up like WWE is just funny. Too many people involved, too much at risk, especially with gambling becoming legal in more states.

 

So to your original comment about legal gambling and Vegas deciding the outcome of games is just wrong.

 

An NBA referee got sentenced to 15 months in federal prison for rigging and trying to make money.

 

Mychal Kendricks is facing years in prison for also trying to get a financial gain for 'insider trading'

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Larcen said:

I really can't find much fault with this proposal.  It's high-stakes as f*ck, exciting, fair, and it eliminates ties.

 

 

Well, that's because it's similar to college rules lol

 

 

Just do 10 minutes for regular season and 15 minutes for playoff OT quarters. Each team gets one offensive possession, unless there is a defensive score on the first possession. 15 minutes for playoffs.

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GTA3Rockstar

Super Bowl Squares time

 

My numbers

NE | LA

1   | 8

2   | 9

4   | 6

8   | 3

 

Brother T

NE | LA

1   | 0

2   | 1

4   | 1

9   | 3

 

Brother J

NE | LA

1   | 1

3   | 8

4   | 8

7   | 9

8   | 9

9   | 1

 

 

Mine kind of suck for a first quarter score, unless there's a safety involved or like 14-6

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Larcen

Of course.  Because we're truly living in the worst timeline.

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D9fred95

They didn't play Sweet Victory either.

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Reameb

Went S U C K O   M O D E on dem nfl fanboys

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GTA3Rockstar

So the Saints got scammed and then the Rams do that?

 

Bogus

 

 

Saints would've beat the Pats

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Zello

Six rings for Brady great that's where you're gonna stay. Now go retire.

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GTA3Rockstar

Yea, it just further submits that he's the GOAT; which I hate admitting lol

 

People will still argue that Montana played in a tougher time but the thing is, if that was truly the case, then why hasn't anyone been doing similar?

 

Peyton? Sure but he couldn't catch up or keep up with him. At one point after winning SB 50, I would still argue for Peyton but you can't.

 

 

9 super bowl appearances, more than any other franchise besides the Patriots. 6 SB rings, more than any QB/player

 

 

Though, as a player, I would still pick Peyton. The way he played the position was just impressive and exciting to watch.

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Zello

I think Brady and Kraft were making out change my mind.

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Larcen
8 hours ago, GTA3Rockstar said:

Yea, it just further submits that he's the GOAT; which I hate admitting lol

He's clearly the GOAT.  And, it also chaps my balls to say this---but it's true.

 

Having said that?  We're going to see a metric f*ck-ton of modern QBs enshrined in Canton with the next 5-15 years.

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GTA3Rockstar
21 minutes ago, Larcen said:

He's clearly the GOAT.  And, it also chaps my balls to say this---but it's true.

 

Having said that?  We're going to see a metric f*ck-ton of modern QBs enshrined in Canton with the next 5-15 years.

 

Especially if a lot of them retire at the same time. lol

 

 

 

 

Some guy put $250 on a prop bet - Rams score exactly 3 points. It was a 400:1 and I bet his ass was sweating balls when the Rams went for that useless fg attempt at the end of the game. $100,000

 

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Larcen
42 minutes ago, GTA3Rockstar said:

Some guy put $250 on a prop bet - Rams score exactly 3 points. It was a 400:1 and I bet his ass was sweating balls when the Rams went for that useless fg attempt at the end of the game. $100,000

Lol.  That's f*cking awesome.

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GTA3Rockstar
55 minutes ago, Larcen said:

Lol.  That's f*cking awesome.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-gambler-reportedly-turns-250-into-100k-after-making-wild-bet-on-total-points-rams-would-score/

 

Yea, bastard lol

 

One person in my squares won the 3rd and 4th quarter for $300 of the $500. I didn't get sh*t because my numbers sucked lol

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Larcen
2 hours ago, GTA3Rockstar said:

 

One person in my squares won the 3rd and 4th quarter for $300 of the $500. I didn't get sh*t because my numbers sucked lol

Dat 3/3 tho.

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Funktipus
16 hours ago, GTA3Rockstar said:

Yea, it just further submits that he's the GOAT; which I hate admitting lol

 

People will still argue that Montana played in a tougher time but the thing is, if that was truly the case, then why hasn't anyone been doing similar?

 

Peyton? Sure but he couldn't catch up or keep up with him. At one point after winning SB 50, I would still argue for Peyton but you can't.

 

 

9 super bowl appearances, more than any other franchise besides the Patriots. 6 SB rings, more than any QB/player

 

 

Though, as a player, I would still pick Peyton. The way he played the position was just impressive and exciting to watch.

Brady's the best of this era, but the best QB to ever play the position? Nope.....for me, it will always be Joe Cool. Brady didn't always play great in the Super Bowl. From foxsports.com:

 

 

Brady’s playoff touchdown-to-interception ratio is amazing, which now stands at 63 to 31 — just above two to one. Montana posted a 45-to-21 ratio though, which is even higher.

And Montana also ranks higher in playoff completion percentage (70.27 to 62.39) and playoff passer rating (95.6 to 88.7).

You couldn’t go wrong with either QB under center when the postseason pressure kicked up a notch. But Montana surely has the advantage here when it counted most.

 

 

Now dudes older than me say Johnny Unitas was the GOAT....he set the standard for modern era QBs. And who won more than Otto Graham?

 

I agree with Mike Francesca on the Montana/Brady debate;

 

 

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Larcen
36 minutes ago, Funktipus said:

Brady’s playoff touchdown-to-interception ratio is amazing, which now stands at 63 to 31 — just above two to one. Montana posted a 45-to-21 ratio though, which is even higher.

And Montana also ranks higher in playoff completion percentage (70.27 to 62.39) and playoff passer rating (95.6 to 88.7).

You couldn’t go wrong with either QB under center when the postseason pressure kicked up a notch. But Montana surely has the advantage here when it counted most.

Hmm.  I think that some of your numbers are off.  Especially in regard to the playoff completion percentage.  

 

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Source.

 

FWIW, as a Niners fan, I'm mildly biased towards Montana...but that's not really objective.  He was doing the thing at an incredibly high level when I was still a child (and really not old enough to grasp football).  I didn't really start to "get it" until Young had taken over the reins.

 

So, having said that?  Maybe I'm the wrong person to ask because I can't really give it the full Pepsi Challenge treatment...but I have watched Brady over the course of 20 years.

 

Are both guys incredibly clutch?  Absolutely.  Could Montana be considered even more clutch?  Perhaps.  But he still had the luxury of throwing to the GOAT (#80), and Brady's comparative statistical accolades are basically only marginally worse (considering that he's played nearly twice as many playoff games than Montana).  And rings are rings.

 

I'd still give Brady the edge.

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links and sh*t

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GTA3Rockstar
1 hour ago, Funktipus said:

Brady's the best of this era, but the best QB to ever play the position? Nope.....for me, it will always be Joe Cool. Brady didn't always play great in the Super Bowl. From foxsports.com:

 

 

Brady’s playoff touchdown-to-interception ratio is amazing, which now stands at 63 to 31 — just above two to one. Montana posted a 45-to-21 ratio though, which is even higher.

And Montana also ranks higher in playoff completion percentage (70.27 to 62.39) and playoff passer rating (95.6 to 88.7).

You couldn’t go wrong with either QB under center when the postseason pressure kicked up a notch. But Montana surely has the advantage here when it counted most.

 

 

Now dudes older than me say Johnny Unitas was the GOAT....he set the standard for modern era QBs. And who won more than Otto Graham?

 

I agree with Mike Francesca on the Montana/Brady debate;

 

 

 

Stats are wrong as Larcen said lol

 

 

Either way, Brady's stats are better

 

Brady TD:INT is just over 3:1, Montana's is just under 2:1

 

30-10 75% playoff record vs 16-7 69.5%

 

Better completion percentage, playoff and regular season

 

Brady has the advantage when it counted most lol Why?

 

13 conference appearances in 17 complete starting seasons 9-4 vs 13 complete starting seasons 7 4-3

 

9 SB appearances 17 years 52.9% vs 4 13 years 30%

 

6 rings vs 4

 

It's all in Brady's favor

 

Lol Mike Francesca... He thought the referee and Todd Gurley jersey swap was real.

 

 

 

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Larcen

Well, if nothing else?  The one thing that we can all agree on is that NFL specimen is going to be a Hall of Famer:

 

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I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

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GTA3Rockstar

If Namath can have a losing record and be in the HoF, so can Eli.

 

 

 

 

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GTA3Rockstar

WHAT THE FLACCO!

 

 

This is the last straw for Elway, if we don't get a playoff berth, he needs to step down or something as GM.

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Larcen
12 minutes ago, GTA3Rockstar said:

WHAT THE FLACCO!

This isn't good news?

 

I admit, I didn't even consider Denver as a landing spot for Flacco...but it actually seems like a decent fit.

 

Upon retrospect, I had no idea regarding the statistical similarities between Keenum and Flacco.

 

From the last three years:

 

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Funktipus
On 2/5/2019 at 7:53 PM, GTA3Rockstar said:

 

Stats are wrong as Larcen said lol

 

 

Either way, Brady's stats are better

 

Brady TD:INT is just over 3:1, Montana's is just under 2:1

 

30-10 75% playoff record vs 16-7 69.5%

 

Better completion percentage, playoff and regular season

 

Brady has the advantage when it counted most lol Why?

 

13 conference appearances in 17 complete starting seasons 9-4 vs 13 complete starting seasons 7 4-3

 

9 SB appearances 17 years 52.9% vs 4 13 years 30%

 

6 rings vs 4

 

It's all in Brady's favor

 

Lol Mike Francesca... He thought the referee and Todd Gurley jersey swap was real.

 

 

 

No knock against Brady, I just feel Unitas, Joe Cool played the QB position a little better. It's not just about rings, I'm talking their overall game. Nothing wrong with being third (tied with Staubach) on the GOAT list.

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feckyerlife
20 hours ago, Larcen said:

This isn't good news?

 

I admit, I didn't even consider Denver as a landing spot for Flacco...but it actually seems like a decent fit.

 

Upon retrospect, I had no idea regarding the statistical similarities between Keenum and Flacco.

 

From the last three years:

 

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I think its good for Denver, he is an upgrade of Keenum, stats are misleading, for 3 seasons all flacco had was steve smith. 

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DarksunDaFirst
On 2/5/2019 at 2:18 AM, GTA3Rockstar said:

People will still argue that Montana played in a tougher time but the thing is, if that was truly the case, then why hasn't anyone been doing similar?

  • It was a tougher time.
    • The NFC was a bigger powerhouse in the 80's and 90's than the AFC was from the late 90s through the mid-2000s.
    • Only 1 team won more than 1 Super Bowl in Brady's time.  In the 49ers dynasty with their 5 rings (4 for Montana), there were 3 other teams that won multiple Super Bowls - all from the NFC, two of which created their own "mini-dynasties" at the same time with the Gibb's Redskins and the early 90's Cowboys.  
    • QB's got beat the f*** up on all the time, Montana's career was directly affected by it.  The rules so much heavily favor QB's now.  10-15 years ago - 4000 yard passers were maybe a handful a season, tops.  Now it's like almost half the league (just checked....15 QB's passed 4000, and it would have been at least 2 more if Brees didn't rest a game, and Wentz didn't go down again)
  • Why hasn't anyone been doing similar?
    • They kind of have, but not to the extent as the other teams in previous dynasties.  Steelers went to 3 Super Bowls, Eagles twice, Panthers twice, Broncos twice, Seahawks twice, Giants twice.....of the last 18 Super Bowls for a total of 36 starting QB appearances, half of them are shared between 4 guys (Mannings, Ben, Tom).  
    • Tieing back to the first point: QB's have it easier now.  Montana's window to win Super Bowls was only about 9 years - this is legimately due to injury.  Brady has been twice that long - because of his longevity.  QB's don't get hit as much as they did back then, and the longevity of QB's is proving this.  Think about it - Peyton Manning played at an elite level at 38 years old (39 he was done).  Drew Brees still playing at an elite level at 39.  Ben Roethlisberger is...playing at a really really high level at 36.  Phillip Rivers too.  Carson Palmer a few years ago had one of the best seasons of his career at 36, and he was an elite passer in his younger days until a Steeler got blocked into his leg.  If that injury occurs in 1984 rather than 2004, Palmer is f***ing done for.  

 

Point is a multitude of things have kept Brady going for this long.  If Montana was playing NOW, would he do the same?  Well there is one final thing to consider:  Who is coaching?  Remember Bill Walsh retired after #3.  Montana won another the following year and his protege won one a few years later.  I hate to say it, but Bill Bellichik is among the most elite head coaches in NFL history and Tom Brady has benefited from that too.  It wasn't like the 80's where there was several guys who were among the top coaches of all time with Walsh & Gibbs & Parcells.  Who in Belichick's time is near his level?  Anybody?  Cowher was a really good coach.  Holmgren was too.  Tomlin is really good early on.  These guys are all really good, but no where near the people from those days.  Maybe Coughlin who beat him twice...but let's not kid ourselves here.  

Really the only other coach that I personally think stacks up to Belichick was Lombardi, who won 5 championships out of 6 appearances, in 9 years.

Everybody really is judged upon their peers.  In his time...nobody matches up to Brady.  A couple come close.  In his time...nobody matches up to Montana and only a couple come close. 


Belichick - nobody comes close.  
 

Now what would we have seen if Montana had Bill Walsh as his head coach for another 9 years after their 3rd ring together?  Well at least 1 more for sure.  Probably win Steve Young's too.  But damn...that was a mighty hard conference to get out of with the NFC East throwing haymakers (no thanks to my Eagles).

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