PS4 is Not Backward Compatible

[nigelhere9901]

WHO THE f*ck BUYS next gen consoles to play last gen games?

[kudoboi]

But PS4 IS backwards compatible.

But at what cost?

A internet connection that allows you to use their cloud game streaming service.

the issue with gaikai is that you have to be near their server to play even somewhat smoothly. i tried gaikai last time before sony bought them and the experience was TERRIBLE. and i have a very fast internet too. took about 10 mins to load dirt 3 and constantly lagged on my browser( google chrome). it could possibly be due to the fact that the nearest server was 300 ping away from me. ive read that even with people very near to the servers the experience was still pretty bad. i don't see this working any time soon unless they have a few servers in every country and internet speeds increase all over the world.

[dumbassbuffet]

But PS4 IS backwards compatible.

But at what cost?

A internet connection that allows you to use their cloud game streaming service.

the issue with gaikai is that you have to be near their server to play even somewhat smoothly. i tried gaikai last time before sony bought them and the experience was TERRIBLE. and i have a very fast internet too. took about 10 mins to load dirt 3 and constantly lagged on my browser( google chrome). it could possibly be due to the fact that the nearest server was 300 ping away from me. ive read that even with people very near to the servers the experience was still pretty bad. i don't see this working any time soon unless they have a few servers in every country and internet speeds increase all over the world.

I believe that Gaikai was just a startup then. Think of what they can achieve with the connections and power of Sony. Plus, the tech will be optimized.

[universetwisters]

Aw bummer for you dudes. I was gonna get it for the PC anyway.

[EverBlazin]

Maybe it is with downloaded games. Like the PS3 can play PS2 downloaded games, but not PS2 dvds.

[Knife]

Well, following the announcement of PS4's hardware, the possibility of a PS4 port has just significantly improved. Between the similarities of PS4 with PC hardware and the fact that PS4 won't run PS3 games, it is conceivable that R* might decide to make a PS4 port along side the PC port.

 

Do not expect GTA V to be available on PS4 at launch. But a half a year or so later, around PC version release time, I wouldn't exclude it as a possibility.

Absolutely. I see PC, PS4 and Next-gen Xbox ports all coming in 2014. Unless they have an aversion to money or all of their studios are too busy to do it, I can't see any reasons for them not to bring GTA V to next-gen in 2014.

[GTAV360Philly]

Well, following the announcement of PS4's hardware, the possibility of a PS4 port has just significantly improved. Between the similarities of PS4 with PC hardware and the fact that PS4 won't run PS3 games, it is conceivable that R* might decide to make a PS4 port along side the PC port.

 

Do not expect GTA V to be available on PS4 at launch. But a half a year or so later, around PC version release time, I wouldn't exclude it as a possibility.

Absolutely. I see PC, PS4 and Next-gen Xbox ports all coming in 2014. Unless they have an aversion to money or all of their studios are too busy to do it, I can't see any reasons for them not to bring GTA V to next-gen in 2014.

GTA 5 will be on next gen consoles, but only as a digital download for the new PS4 and Xbox 360. Rockstar has a next gen game already in development.

 

http://i.imgur.com/g5aOYox.jpg At PS4 Conference

 

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/12968/a...on-for-the-ps4/

 

So, I'm thinking GTA 5 will be available for digital download for the PS4/New Xbox. I also hope that the new xbox will be backwards compatible so i can transfer my memory over to the new system. Who knows? Rockstar might be making the long awaited Bully 2 or the forgotten Agent.

 

 

 

PS: WHERE IS MY KINGDOM HEARTS 3!!!

[Noeks]

WHO THE f*ck BUYS next gen consoles to play last gen games?

yes i think you are right. if you are a xbox player and want to switch to ps4, you will of course keep your xbox... same if you are a ps3 owner buying the new gen of ps.... yes there are poeple who didnt played this gen games and buy a ps4 and in that case they would have to buy an old console, but with the gaikai cloud coming sometime after the release you will be able to play even ps1 games! but i think poeple arnt informed that good...

[baguvix_wanrltw]

We know R* (allowed Sony to claim they) are (planning to) make/-ing some game(s) for PS4.

 

We do NOT know if they're making any yet.

We do NOT know which game that is, could be Bully 2, Agent, RD3, V, VI, neither or all of them plus other IPs. They could just be playing around with the new tech for now.

 

Just because you guys are pissed off at the obvious-for-months-if-not-a-year fact that next gen consoles will release close to V, thus making V look less interesting (talking ONLY about graphics here my dear fanboys), doesn't mean that fantasy of a PS420 port will come true.

 

I have absolutely no idea where you get that idea from, it's ludicrous. If the PS4's "backward compatibility" via Gaikai is worth jack squat at all you won't be getting PS3 graphics back from the "cloud" but something significantly improved, assuming you have the 5mbit+ inet connection required. Same thing goes for Durango minus the online part.

 

I'm not saying it will definitely not happen, I just think that it'd be an enormous cash grab on R*'s part. Besides... from what I've seen the next gen console specs are far less impressive than what was rumoured a good year ago. High end my ass... 8x1.6GHz is pretty f*cking far from PC high end, that's smartphone high end (think Galaxy SIV, though of course not ARM but x86 based).

So there won't be too big a difference between the capabilities of PS360 and PS420 to begin with, making a port a moot point. Both PS3 and PS4 use BDs for storage as well so there is nothing to gain on that front either (unless they opted for multiple BDs... yeah, that'll happen).

 

Or just take it the way you always do... 2504, any fart of Adriaan's, a site being down for 3 seconds - it's always "100% proof and confirmed". See if I care. Tearbucket's over there =>.

Edited February 23, 2013 by baguvix_wanrltw

[initium]

Guys, GTA V is going to be released on both platforms.

Why?

Because Rockstar Games wants to make money.

 

 

Personally, if I had the PS4, I wouldn't bother turning the PS3 on for any reason. Even GTA V.

 

So if you don't have money, you can enjoy the game on PS3, if you have the money and prefer to play on PS4, with better graphics and stuff, you buy that.

It's simple, and very likely to happen

[GTAfan786]

But PS4 IS backwards compatible.

Not native though. It's not physically backwards compatible because you can't use the PS3 discs instead we can play them through gaikai, but technically you are right.

[Ice1980]

Well, following the announcement of PS4's hardware, the possibility of a PS4 port has just significantly improved. Between the similarities of PS4 with PC hardware and the fact that PS4 won't run PS3 games, it is conceivable that R* might decide to make a PS4 port along side the PC port.

 

Do not expect GTA V to be available on PS4 at launch. But a half a year or so later, around PC version release time, I wouldn't exclude it as a possibility.

It would not surprise me at all if the PS4/720 have GTA V at launch time to help boost sales.

[Durden]

What I`m hoping is that Sony make a way to stream the game for free if you already have it. For example, maybe you input your BAR code or something, or sync your save data on a USB from your PS3 -- something like that, and then when the PS4 detects that you`ve had that game before you can get it for free. A bonus would be if we get to keep our save data and trophies.

[MosquitoSmasher]

 

PS4 is not Backward Compatible

So If GTA V is only released on PS3 and Xbox 360

We could not play on PS4

 

What Do You Think?

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/21/pla...r-digital-games

That's the reason they delayed the game, so they could make a PS4 version as well. It'll be just like Watchdogs; on all platforms.

All really cool and dandy. however...

 

 

Watch_Dogs comes out with the launch of the next-gen consoles which for PS4 is holiday 2013 and i bet for the new Xbox as well, and GTA V is planned for September. So what is the reason for delaying it then....other than...for the reasons they stated?

Edited February 23, 2013 by MosquitoSmasher

[meson1]

 

High end my ass... 8x1.6GHz is pretty f*cking far from PC high end...

Actually it makes perfect sense. If they make a high clocked processor, then the problem they have then is cooling the bastard. That means big heatsink, large enclosure and most likely fans which means noise. No-one wants a big noisy box in their living room, bedroom or wherever.

 

The solution is to have loads of cores at a low clock speed with a nice low thermal output. That way they can keep the cooling demands down and make a small consumer friendly device. It's also more likely to be reliable, which means fewer returns and therefore cheaper for Sony.

 

Those x86-64 cores will be a pretty modern design as will the integrated GPU. Also, remember that consoles have a standardized hardware design and a lean O/S, so there is more scope to code 'on the metal' which will mean fewer overheads compared to PCs and make it easier to push the hardware to the very limit.

 

So on paper it might not compare well to the very highest end PCs, so while it's not leading edge, it really isn't that far off.

[initium]

A month before PS4 release window is announced, Rockstar delays GTA V.

While in the announcement, Sony said that they've worked together with developers on the new console, and sure they must have told the developers when the PS4 will be released approximately. Because when the PS4 releases, there has to be a few games ready!

 

A 2 month gap between GTA V and a the PS4 release is very bad marketing!

[significantother]

It won't matter. I'm not buying the PS4 on launch day then throwing away my PS3. That's freaking stupid, and I advise anybody who is throwing out their PS3 after they get their PS4 to get some help at the local clinic.

[Backfire6]

Old news. Already knew it won't play anything else. Which is why I don't give two sh*ts about it.

It's a useless system

[Miss Darko]

 

High end my ass... 8x1.6GHz is pretty f*cking far from PC high end...

Actually it makes perfect sense. If they make a high clocked processor, then the problem they have then is cooling the bastard. That means big heatsink, large enclosure and most likely fans which means noise. No-one wants a big noisy box in their living room, bedroom or wherever.

 

The solution is to have loads of cores at a low clock speed with a nice low thermal output. That way they can keep the cooling demands down and make a small consumer friendly device. It's also more likely to be reliable, which means fewer returns and therefore cheaper for Sony.

 

Those x86-64 cores will be a pretty modern design as will the integrated GPU. Also, remember that consoles have a standardized hardware design and a lean O/S, so there is more scope to code 'on the metal' which will mean fewer overheads compared to PCs and make it easier to push the hardware to the very limit.

 

So on paper it might not compare well to the very highest end PCs, so while it's not leading edge, it really isn't that far off.

Which is around what I expected for the next-gen consoles. Close, but not quite, to leading edge PCs at the moment. They're already overtaken by PC capabilities and will be left behind in the dust just like last gen... but here's the thing. Consoles ultimately create the baseline for what content games have. The next gen is necessary because now every game is going to have that higher standard, which means better PC games as well.

 

I'm thinking of not bothering with the consoles and just saving up for a really high end PC, because there's a lot about the consoles that are really annoying me (no backwards compatibility, no used games, DRM up the ass, overabundance of media integration), but it's good to be finally entering the next-gen after this very long current generation, as it will ultimately benefit games beyond just the graphical capabilities.

Edited February 23, 2013 by Mr. Darko

[YoungChrist]

But PS4 IS backwards compatible.

Not directly it isn't. You can't just bung your disc in the drive and play.

 

No, you've got to use some dodgy streaming technology in order to 'play it from the cloud'. That means that you'd have to buy your game from Sony's cloud service and have a reliable, high capacity, always on broadband connection to play your pre-generational game.

 

 

That's the reason they delayed the game, so they could make a PS4 version as well. It'll be just like Watchdogs; on all platforms.

No. That is not the reason for the delay. The reason for the delay is because they weren't quite close enough to being finished to reliably make a spring date. They wanted more time and so pushed it back to September.

 

That's all. There are no ulterior motives or conspiracies here. There is no reading material between those particular lines.

 

What MIGHT make a next generation edition of GTA:V possible (but not necessarily likely) is that there is a good chance that they will be developing an x86-64 version for PC; to come some months after 360 and PS3 versions. So it's not too much of a leap further to adapt that version for next gen PROVIDING economic factors make it viable.

 

But in the mean time, don't hold your breath.

Well lets not assume that you'll have to buy it again. There could be a feature that allows Sony to look at your purchase history and allow you to stream those games you already purchased, atleast for digital games.

 

I agree with your second point though. The fact that the nex gen consoles are being made with PC hardware, would be more likely to see GTA V on next gen. I'd definitely like to see it on next gen because frame rate was an issue with GTA IV and although it looks like they made it better there will probably be cutbacks relating to draw distance, textures, amount of npcs on screen, etc. GTA is one of the games this gen that has really been limited due to current gen hardware.

[Official General]

 

I just really have no f**king clue as to what's gonna happen with GTA V now, with all this breaking news of the PS4's confirmed existence. It's too hard and too early to tell whether or not V will be a next-gen game now.

 

You see, if Rockstar had stopped farting around all these years, and had completed GTA V and released it last year, they would have already sold millions of copies of the game and made a lot of money by now.

 

 

There's really no mystsery behind it. It's still going to be on 360 and PS3. I could imagine the kind of backash they would get if they cancelled it and made it a straight next gen release. Actually the thought of that is absurd.

 

Maybe if it had just been announced without any actual confirmation on the platforms, but the fact it's been announced on 360 and PS3 makes it hard form them to say "Nah we'll just can the 360 and PS3 versions".

 

I know some games have been announced on one platform and another platform has been added later on in the past, but I can't think of a single game (especially of the magnitude of GTA V) that has been cancelled on an officially announced platoform (or in this case platforms) only to be pushed back to another generation. It's well known how much work R* have put into the 360 and PS3 version of GTA V. They wont abandon it now and I'd bet my life they wont.

 

Current gen: 100% Guaranteed.

 

Next gen: Maybe? If some previously announced games are anything to go by GTA V could be a cross generational release.

 

GTA V will end up on 360 and PS3 and that's a fact atleast initially.

@ Miami

 

I'm not talking about you specifically, but people need to stop making excuses for Rockstar.

 

I think Rockstar have considerably f*cked up with their very strange business strategies and tactics in this console generation. They really should have tried their best to release GTA V by last year Christmas at the latest. There would have been no talk of the PS4 or any new console back then, most of the industry focus would have been on GTA V coming out, everyone would have been hugely hyped, a massive marketing campaign launched and the game would have sold millions and millions of copies by now, even as I'm speaking it would still be selling like hot cakes.

 

But Rockstar have appeared to be a bit full of themselves this generation, as they know that the gaming industry is watching with major excitement and thrills over every little thing they say or do. They believed that by taking the longest time ever to make another GTA installment and keeping everyone in the dark with little info on V released at various intervals, they would finally release V and once again take the gaming world by storm as they did with GTA IV. They thought they had all the time in the world and that the whole gaming world was gonna patiently wait forever for them to finally unveil and launch their grand showcase. Not quite.

 

Now look at what has happened. Sony are now ready to release a new, better console soon, Microsoft might follow, and now all the attention in the gaming world has turned to the new consoles. The PS4 has generated such great excitement for console gaming right now, and Rockstar at first probably did not know what action to take, leaving them with a big headache. I'm very sure that Rockstar did not want to be left out of the loop, and now I suspect they had to delay V to make sure they can make GTA a part of this new console generation.

 

Now the whole GTA V project appears to look like a mess. A very long delay, an army of dissatisfied customers/fans, still lack of new information and updates, and now great uncertainty as to what consoles Rockstar plan to release the game on.

 

Well done Rockstar

Edited February 24, 2013 by Official General

[GTAfan786]

High end my ass... 8x1.6GHz is pretty f*cking far from PC high end...

Actually it makes perfect sense. If they make a high clocked processor, then the problem they have then is cooling the bastard. That means big heatsink, large enclosure and most likely fans which means noise. No-one wants a big noisy box in their living room, bedroom or wherever.

 

The solution is to have loads of cores at a low clock speed with a nice low thermal output. That way they can keep the cooling demands down and make a small consumer friendly device. It's also more likely to be reliable, which means fewer returns and therefore cheaper for Sony.

 

Those x86-64 cores will be a pretty modern design as will the integrated GPU. Also, remember that consoles have a standardized hardware design and a lean O/S, so there is more scope to code 'on the metal' which will mean fewer overheads compared to PCs and make it easier to push the hardware to the very limit.

 

So on paper it might not compare well to the very highest end PCs, so while it's not leading edge, it really isn't that far off.

Which is around what I expected for the next-gen consoles. Close, but not quite, to leading edge PCs at the moment. They're already overtaken by PC capabilities and will be left behind in the dust just like last gen... but here's the thing. Consoles ultimately create the baseline for what content games have. The next gen is necessary because now every game is going to have that higher standard, which means better PC games as well.

 

I'm thinking of not bothering with the consoles and just saving up for a really high end PC, because there's a lot about the consoles that are really annoying me (no backwards compatibility, no used games, DRM up the ass, overabundance of media integration), but it's good to be finally entering the next-gen after this very long current generation, as it will ultimately benefit games beyond just the graphical capabilities.

Seriously, after posting a thousand times, PS4 will be able to integrate used games once again and backwards compatibility is back but in a different form.

[Knife]

 

Now look at what has happened. Sony are now ready to release a new, better console soon, Microsoft might follow, and now all the attention in the gaming world has turned to the new consoles. The PS4 has generated such great excitement for console gaming right now, and Rockstar at first probably did not know what action to take, leaving them with a big headache. I'm very sure that Rockstar did not want to be left out of the loop, and now I suspect they had to delay V to make sure they can make GTA a part of this new console generation.

That doesn't really add up. The game is being released in September, that's almost certainly before the next-gen consoles release. They probably won't even be out in all countries this year. Delaying GTA V to develop versions for next-gen in parallel makes no sense. They're still releasing the game before next-gen consoles are released, working on the next-gen versions now is pointless. Adding an entire new platform to development would have caused more than a 4 month delay.

 

Releasing GTA V on next-gen consoles will be a long-term investment. Not many people will have these new consoles in the first few months, it's not a priority. But we will be years away from the next GTA by they time they do launch, and it makes sense for Rockstar to have GTA on those platforms during that wait. I seriously doubt Rockstar North are currently doing anything to get GTA V going on next-gen consoles at this time. In fact, I expect another R* studio to be responsible for porting GTA V to next-gen.

[Official General]

Now look at what has happened. Sony are now ready to release a new, better console soon, Microsoft might follow, and now all the attention in the gaming world has turned to the new consoles. The PS4 has generated such great excitement for console gaming right now, and Rockstar at first probably did not know what action to take, leaving them with a big headache. I'm very sure that Rockstar did not want to be left out of the loop, and now I suspect they had to delay V to make sure they can make GTA a part of this new console generation.

That doesn't really add up. The game is being released in September, that's almost certainly before the next-gen consoles release. They probably won't even be out in all countries this year. Delaying GTA V to develop versions for next-gen in parallel makes no sense. They're still releasing the game before next-gen consoles are released, working on the next-gen versions now is pointless. Adding an entire new platform to development would have caused more than a 4 month delay.

 

Releasing GTA V on next-gen consoles will be a long-term investment. Not many people will have these new consoles in the first few months, it's not a priority. But we will be years away from the next GTA by they time they do launch, and it makes sense for Rockstar to have GTA on those platforms during that wait. I seriously doubt Rockstar North are currently doing anything to get GTA V going on next-gen consoles at this time. In fact, I expect another R* studio to be responsible for porting GTA V to next-gen.

I'm not sure of what is going on right now. But this is too much of a co-incidence. Rockstar delays GTA V till towards the end of this year when the new PS4 is expected to be released or nearer to that time. Plus, Rockstar are not saying anything regarding this, they remain so tight-lipped. I'd have said no next-gen release at all a few months ago, now I'm just not so sure.

[Knife]

I'm not sure of what is going on right now. But this is too much of a co-incidence. Rockstar delays GTA V till towards the end of this year when the new PS4 is expected to be released or nearer to that time. Plus, Rockstar are not saying anything regarding this, they remain so tight-lipped. I'd have said no next-gen release at all a few months ago, now I'm just not so sure.

I don't think it's particularly crazy. The game needs more work so they've delayed it, which means it's delayed to a time near the release of next-gen consoles. They can't avoid that, the next-gen consoles are on their way. Remember, news of next-gen consoles didn't just suddenly reach Rockstar in January, they've known about next gen consoles and their development for quite a long time. They would have fully known that the next-gen consoles were releasing late 2013 when they initially announced Spring 2013 as the release date.

 

The delay may have an affect on a potential GTA V next-gen release, but I don't think next gen is the cause of the delay.

[Grand_Theft_Coupe]

Who said Grand Theft Auto V will be re-released for Playstation 4 and Xbox (?)? I know people are expecting that possibility, but until Rockstar addresses that, then that speculation could only be up for air. Agent is the only Rockstar title that can be considered a release for Playstation 4.

[MosquitoSmasher]

Maybe i'm the only one here, but i'd like to how many people really will buy a PS4 and/or XboxNext right away, especially us here who are waiting so goddamn much for GTA V. Hell...i am really looking forward to the next-gen and what not. Buying one of the systems this year is in my planning but i even don't know if i need a next-gen console when i have this game called GTA V. I mean...right now i'm playing GTA IV, while i have quite a lot of games in my backlog that need to be finished, great games too. Yet here i am playing through GTA IV again...that to me says a lot about the quality of the game and well...how timeless GTA games really are.

 

I pretty much know for sure i really don't need a next-gen console at all when i'm just having loads and loads of fun in GTA V. Cause i know for damn sure there won't be a single damn game at the launch that will be remotely similar to the awesomeness of GTA V. Yes i have that much blind faith in this developer, f*ck it. But i already know that if i can do it financially i will buy a new console. What i'm still hoping for is that there will be some kind of backwards compatibility on the new Xbox and with that i don't mean a streaming service or whatever where you have to buy the game AGAIN...no...i mean that i can simply put that 360 disc into the new Xbox and PLAY it. 360 was half backwards compatible in the sense of that a list of Xbox games worked on it and many others didn't. I say....let's have that again and let's have a heavy hitter like GTA V simply work on the new Xbox.

 

Honestly..i find it a goddamn stupid move if MS doesn't do this and i already find it a goddamn stupid move by Sony. GTA V is a huge game, lots of folks are going to buy it, some might even wait with buying a new console cause they will be playing that game to death. Don't they want people to play that game on their new system? Oh right....buy it again via digital download no doubt or via the Gaikai streaming stuff. f*ck outta here!!! Another reason i want to be able to play it on the new systems is so i can do all the things i usually would on 360...like be in a pary chat and talk with friends, i always do that. Now i'll probably have to power on both new Xbox/PS4 and chat with friends who all will have a new system around that time too...and play GTA V on my 360...come on now.

Edited February 24, 2013 by MosquitoSmasher

[Miss Darko]

Seriously, after posting a thousand times, PS4 will be able to integrate used games once again and backwards compatibility is back but in a different form.

My understanding is that, for used games, developers will be able to choose whether or not they work or to block certain features. This is still very bad, because guess what? Most developers are going to choose to maximize profits by forcing every single player to buy a new copy of the game. That's why there were next to no games this generation that supported local multiplayer- it's more profitable to make everyone and their friends have to buy their own copies than to let them share one. Some developers will have the decency and integrity to let us play used copies of their games, but that won't be many of them at all. I suppose whether or not Rockstar lets us do so will be my gauge for whether or not I still respect them as a company as the next gen comes along, although I'm sure their games will remain good enough for me to still respect them as a developer.

 

As far as the "backwards compatibility" goes, are you talking about Gaikai streaming? That's not going to do me any good, I've never owned an internet connection good enough to make something like that playable. Plus it sounds like I pretty much have to purchase the game again. I'll just keep my PS3 connected along with my next-gen console to play the current gen games I still enjoy, all it really takes is an outlet bar and making sure only one is on at the same time so I don't start some kind of electrical fire.

[Raynos]

But PS4 IS backwards compatible.

Not native though. It's not physically backwards compatible because you can't use the PS3 discs instead we can play them through gaikai, but technically you are right.

No, technically, He's wrong and you're right.

 

Right now, you can put your ps3 disc into your ps3 and play your game, without an Internet connection.

 

Ps4 will allow you to stream "SOME" ps3 games, you will NEED an active Internet connection. You are unable to play your game offline.

 

It is not backward compatiable, just like ps3s aren't backward compatible but at least you can download a ps2 game to your HDD. This will not be the case with the ps4.

 

Your ps3 digital library will always depend on having an Internet connection.

 

Ps4 is not backward compatible, it provides am alternative that will become a nuisance.

PSN network goes down for maintenance, you've just lost access to your ps3 games.

[acmilano]

Guess i will just keep my PS3 and why not? I know people still keeping Dreamcast and PSone. And i got nice collection to keep me amused for years.