Antagonist

[Waingro]

If GTA V cribs from the film HEAT (If you haven't seen this film by now, do yourself a damn favor and watch it tough guy.) as much as it is already, I can imagine that Michael's handler(s) are simply self-interested feds/cop looking to make their own "big score", namely, Michael/Trevor/Franklin since, here's the thing, YOU ARE THE BAD GUY. It would be great to have a scene similar to the famous Deniro/Pacino scene where they finally are honest with each other about what they do.

 

"I do what I do best, you do what you do best- take down guys like me."

 

Ignore the tacked on background music, link provided. Seriously, watch the movie Heat.

 

http://youtu.be/DrDLPuoQSLs

 

 

 

[GTA-King]

 

They seem to be setting that up showing how different they are from each other

I agree 100%.

 

But we have to look at it from our perspective, as the players. We are the ones controlling these guys. We are the ones going through their character development, knowing what their ultimate goals are. So TO US they are all protagonists. But it's possible they could turn antagonistic to EACHOTHER, and as the player, we have to decide who has to go. It's the pursuit of the almighty dollar in a criminal's world, after all.

 

Just look at IV. Niko, Johnny, and Luis were antagonists to eachother at one point or another (sometimes indirectly, sometimes not). So maybe in V it will be the same, but more in depth and we will have more control over the situation.

Edited February 14, 2013 by GTA-King

[Dr-Mayhem111]

From what I recall in I think GI that the FIB will be giving you assignments that effect Micheal's story. What if around the last chapter of the game the FIB ordered Micheal to kill either Trevor or Franklin to keep his lifestyle or he could betray them (FIB) and tell Franklin and Trevor to get out of town. Micheal could've changed his identity (Albert De Silva) and live a different life with his family. It would be a crazy epilogue.

[Staten]

 

That's why I really want the antagonist to ether be someone we struggle against from the beginning

Try either GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, Vice City Stories, or TLAD; the antagonist is introduced very early in the game, if not in the opening cutscene. IV was a departure for the series, at least in that respect. I had no idea that Dimitri was going to double-cross Niko - he seemed so level-headed compared to Faustin.

[OJsAlibi]

Alright, here's the deal.

 

 

Dan Houser did a weird thing back in November: he spoiled the game.

 

A quote of his appeared and reappeared in the released previews, something to the affect of "playing as both the protagonist and the antagonist." There's a chance Houser meant "spiritually" in a way to convey that Trevor is worse of a human being than these two partners, sure. But this is Grand Theft Auto: all three lead characters are permitted by the player's free will to rampage across the city.

 

I wouldn't buy into the portrait of Trevor being painted in previews that pegs him as the eventual antagonist; Michael and Trevor will be committing the same macabre acts.

 

 

But consider another revelation that came out in November: multiple endings.

 

One series of choices will, according to the previews, result in a different ending than another series of choices. Given the emphasis on three story arcs intertwined, that doesn't mean a simple case of "Deal or Revenge" or "Derrick or Francis"--each decision and action is a part of larger combination to unlocking a unique outcome.

 

 

And it's not just Trevor who's susceptible. Franklin is, so is Michael.

 

 

It's evident there will be a defector and we will be playing as him or them (Franklin and Michael get wrapped up in the Fuzz and decide to testify against Trevor, maybe).

 

It's just not a clear-cut case of who it will be because, seemingly, we get to chose who.

[Peck R. Wood]

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How about an actual good guy?

 

Like a pro-legalization politician who wants to legalize most drugs, robbing all crooks in the city from their bread and butter.

Or a NON-cuppupted federal agent who's really devoted to his job and to the fundamental value of Justice and does all he -legally- can to stop/arrest us.

 

That will remind us all that our character is indeed a bad fellow.

 

Antagonist does necessary mean "a badder guy", just someone whose intentions/plans/goals are opposite/largely different from ours.

 

::

 

I think it's quite obvious what Houser said: each character has his own ambitions and goals, some might be different from the others'. So, while playing as Trevor we might be Franklin/Michael's antagonists...since that we want to achieve different things.

 

Just like Niko was Dimitri's antagonist.

 

Edited February 14, 2013 by boschram

[sddales]

Maybe 4 sets of antagonists total; one for each protag, and one that's a threat to the team.

You are really onto something there. Going with the theme of heists, it would be cool to simultaneously wipe out all the antagonists in a sweeping, clever fashion that maybe even the player doesn't see coming.

[Rjeev142]

 

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

[TAVittorio24]

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

Youre thick headed. You dont know sh*t about this game so you have "debunked" nothing. Im not sayin its fact, but it could be done elegently. Like haytham in ac3. You dont like it, but they are going a different path.

[GTA-King]

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the dildo.

 

Please link me to where this rumor (btw, rumor? more like logical speculation) was "debunked." I'd like to have a good laugh.

[KevinR1990]

Has anybody here read or seen Les Miserables? I was just thinking that someone inspired by Inspector Javert would make a great antagonist for Michael. A police officer/FIB agent who isn't corrupt, who genuinely believes in the mission of his or her occupation, and feels that Michael having gotten away with his crimes and entered witness protection is an affront to justice. This officer/agent could inadvertently push Michael back into a life of crime, drive him past the point of no return.

[Peck R. Wood]

 

Has anybody here read or seen Les Miserables? I was just thinking that someone inspired by Inspector Javert would make a great antagonist for Michael. A police officer/FIB agent who isn't corrupt, who genuinely believes in the mission of his or her occupation, and feels that Michael having gotten away with his crimes and entered witness protection is an affront to justice. This officer/agent could inadvertently push Michael back into a life of crime, drive him past the point of no return.

That's exactly what I meant in my previous post.

I want our main antagonist to be a really good guy.

 

R* never did that...all antagonists were badder that our guy, so we were like...sure CJ is a gang banging killer, but he's better than Tenpenny...sooo...

 

By creating a morally incorruptible character, it will finally make clear that WE are the bad guys.

[StarFyer]

 

I'm guessing Michael's FIB contacts will be somewhat antagonistic. How about a female antagonist? Haven't had one of those since III.

What if Officer Vasquez is a female version of Tenpenny, a real bitch and you can't wait to put a bullet in her head.

[Deffpony]

I'm guessing Michael's FIB contacts will be somewhat antagonistic. How about a female antagonist? Haven't had one of those since III.

What if Officer Vasquez is a female version of Tenpenny, a real bitch and you can't wait to put a bullet in her head.

I don't need anymore of a reason to hate women in the work force

[DAWeeE1]

I'm guessing Michael's FIB contacts will be somewhat antagonistic. How about a female antagonist? Haven't had one of those since III.

What if Officer Vasquez is a female version of Tenpenny, a real bitch and you can't wait to put a bullet in her head.

I don't need anymore of a reason to hate women in the work force

Do you hate male police after what Tenpenny and Co: did in GTA: San Andreas? Or what about the entire corrupt Liberty City Police Deparment which seemingly only consisted of men?

[Cazzer14]

Agreed. I wouldnt mind if there were a series of great antagonists with different goals that you happen to encounter. Or even each protag has their own enemy, and one that kinda ties them together. Government. The fight against the man. Red dead had bill Williamson was the main antagonist. You get him, youre like finally! But then no! You gotta get dutch now. Starting a whole new line of missions. I liked that.

That's how you do it right, I loved the Dutch Storyline after you thought you had finished by offing Bill

 

How writers do it wrong : see Far Cry 3

[Cazzer14]

Has anybody here read or seen Les Miserables? I was just thinking that someone inspired by Inspector Javert would make a great antagonist for Michael. A police officer/FIB agent who isn't corrupt, who genuinely believes in the mission of his or her occupation, and feels that Michael having gotten away with his crimes and entered witness protection is an affront to justice. This officer/agent could inadvertently push Michael back into a life of crime, drive him past the point of no return.

Edgar Ross

 

Mostly.

[Peck R. Wood]

 

Has anybody here read or seen Les Miserables? I was just thinking that someone inspired by Inspector Javert would make a great antagonist for Michael. A police officer/FIB agent who isn't corrupt, who genuinely believes in the mission of his or her occupation, and feels that Michael having gotten away with his crimes and entered witness protection is an affront to justice. This officer/agent could inadvertently push Michael back into a life of crime, drive him past the point of no return.

Edgar Ross

 

Mostly.

Well but someone could argue that Ross wasn't really that noble and it did play real nasty more than once.

Plus those were different times...different values.

 

I mean more of a really good cop/agent, devoted to his job and to the ideas of law, order and justice, someone who would never play dirty who just wants to nab you because of what you essentially are: evil.

 

That's what House said (imho): we are the protagonists of OUR story (hence the good guys from our perspective) but when we are looked at we are definitely the evil ones: crooks, psychos, criminals, armed robbers, liars, etc...

 

I want an "antagonist" whose goodness and noble motivation will make us hate ourself for being who we are...while hating him for exposing our true inner self.

 

This feeling will motivate us to do all we can to destroy him so that we can get rid of that weird emotion inside of us...Now that would make us turn into real bad guys, by not just acting but also feeling as such.

 

I never felt as the -bad bad- guy in any GTA game.

Edited February 16, 2013 by boschram

[Algonquin Assassin]

I thought the Dimitri angle was something new and fresh. He had no obvious signs he was going to turn on Niko which made it more personal when he did IMO. He pretty much manipulated him. I always thought Dimitri was going to be a minor character that would disappear after his strand was over. How wrong I was.

 

I'm not sure if R* could do that again. I'm a fan of having an authority figure as an antagonist, but not a corrupt piece of sh*t like Tenpenny. It would be interesting if they were honest just trying to take down the operation.

 

So they would be the enemy to us, but in actual fact we're the bad guys guys and they're the hero. If you get what I'm saying.

Edited February 16, 2013 by Miamivicecity

[Rjeev142]

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the dildo.

 

Please link me to where this rumor (btw, rumor? more like logical speculation) was "debunked." I'd like to have a good laugh.

Quit acting like you own the forums. You probably wake up to a dildo rammed up your large intestine every morning.

And as for all of gta kings "fans" quit the dick riding.

When it turns out that none of the protagonists are the enemy, I'll be the one having a good laugh. You were wrong about Albert di silva and you'll be wrong about the antagonists. Dan Houser said you play as antagonist and protagonist, not meaning that there will necessarily be betrayal, but showing how you play as the "antagonist" because you commit a variety of crimes against society, yet you're also the "protagonist" since you control the 3 main characters. You technically play as the protagonist and antagonist in every gta game, yet never play as the main villain.

[Linki]

Rockstar implied you will be both the protagonist and antagonist.

 

That's fresh.

[Rjeev142]

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

Youre thick headed. You dont know sh*t about this game so you have "debunked" nothing. Im not sayin its fact, but it could be done elegently. Like haytham in ac3. You dont like it, but they are going a different path.

Get off gta kings dick.

[Rock Howard]

I agree the whole character that starts off as your ally betrays you and then becomes an antagonist is getting a bit old. There are exceptions though, as has been pointed out like with Catalina and Tenpenny. (antagonists from the moment the events of the game take place) I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple antagonists in V, and what would be even better is if those multiple antagonists aren't necessarily on the same side and are also enemies with each other for their own reasons as well. It also wouldn't surprpse me if one of the 3 "protagonists" turns out to be the main antagonist, either.

Edited February 16, 2013 by Rock Howard

[Dick Valor]

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the dildo.

 

Please link me to where this rumor (btw, rumor? more like logical speculation) was "debunked." I'd like to have a good laugh.

Quit acting like you own the forums. You probably wake up to a dildo rammed up your large intestine every morning.

And as for all of gta kings "fans" quit the dick riding.

When it turns out that none of the protagonists are the enemy, I'll be the one having a good laugh. You were wrong about Albert di silva and you'll be wrong about the antagonists. Dan Houser said you play as antagonist and protagonist, not meaning that there will necessarily be betrayal, but showing how you play as the "antagonist" because you commit a variety of crimes against society, yet you're also the "protagonist" since you control the 3 main characters. You technically play as the protagonist and antagonist in every gta game, yet never play as the main villain.

Your interpretation of the Houser quote is way off. That you "debunked" anything is laughable. Here is the full text from Houser:

 

"Just at the conceptual level, the idea was three separate stories that you play in one game. The next bit was, let’s not have the stories intersect once or twice but have them completely interwoven. It felt like it was going to be a real narrative strength: you get to play the protagonist and the antagonist in the same story."

http://www.examiner.com/article/gta-5-play...creens-and-more

 

He is clearly talking about how the character switching mechanic affects the "narrative strength" of the story. Based on your frankly laughable interpretation, every GTA protag has already been both the protagonist and antagonist, with respect to the story and "society." This is where you fail miserably. Houser is clearly implying that the ability to play as protagonist and antagonist is new to V and related to the character switching mechanic. He's not talking about how you get to play as a criminal anti-hero, but how you get to play as two protagonists who, at least at one point in the story, are antagonists to one another. There is no other way to interpret this quote.

 

That said, it's a safe bet that Michael, Franklin, and Trevor will be at odds with each other at some point in the narrative, whether due to a misunderstanding or genuine betrayal.

[Miss Darko]

^

The only thing I don't get about that is, why would Houser spoil that character dynamic so long before the game comes out?

[Dick Valor]

^

The only thing I don't get about that is, why would Houser spoil that character dynamic so long before the game comes out?

I don't think it's as big of a spoiler as some people think. The protagonists have a misunderstanding and turn on each other. They have to make it work out and clear up some misunderstandings before they pull off their final heist. Sounds like a typical Hollywood plot point to me... I'd be surprised if they were on good terms the whole way through.

 

Of course, if the end was something as dramatic as a Mexican stand off and you choose who lives, or Michael is the villain all along, etc., then yeah, Houser spoiled something big. But as I said, I have no other idea how to interpret his comment given its context in the interview.

[omer19992010]

I have a feeling that the antagonist is going to be someone from michaels past.

[GTA-King]

 

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the dildo.

 

Please link me to where this rumor (btw, rumor? more like logical speculation) was "debunked." I'd like to have a good laugh.

Quit acting like you own the forums. You probably wake up to a dildo rammed up your large intestine every morning.

And as for all of gta kings "fans" quit the dick riding.

When it turns out that none of the protagonists are the enemy, I'll be the one having a good laugh. You were wrong about Albert di silva and you'll be wrong about the antagonists. Dan Houser said you play as antagonist and protagonist, not meaning that there will necessarily be betrayal, but showing how you play as the "antagonist" because you commit a variety of crimes against society, yet you're also the "protagonist" since you control the 3 main characters. You technically play as the protagonist and antagonist in every gta game, yet never play as the main villain.

Still waiting on the link to where the rumor was debunked...

 

But anyway, it seems that you are confused by the definition of antagonist. Antagonists are the ones that conflict the actions of the protagonists. They basically try to undermine the goals of the protagonist. In V, we have 3 protagonists... because we get to control them all. But that doesn't mean none of them can be the antagonist. For example: if I'm playing as Michael, and there comes a point in the story where you have to betray Franklin or Trevor to the FIB for the well-being of your family, as Michael... that would benefit him & his goals, and us as the player, we view him as the protagonist trying to look out for his family. But, Michael's actions would be considered antagonistic to Franklin & Trevor because his goal undermines theirs. So in that case, he would be the antagonist in THEIR eyes. Something like that is what I'm talking about.

 

And for the record, I never claimed that I own these forums. You called me thick-headed, so I retaliated. Did you expect me not to?

 

EDIT: Also, why are you going on about Albert De Silva? I'm guessing you are talking about the concept story I made? Well, it was just that... a CONCEPT. I never claimed Albert De Silva was real.... it was just a concept story.

Edited February 16, 2013 by GTA-King

[Typhus]

The enemy should be a joke character seen at the beginning of the game who disappears early on - only to slowly build a drug empire throughout the game - eventually emerging as the antagonist at the end to take bloody revenge on those he feel slighted him.

So, someone who initially appears funny and harmless revealing himself as a brutal, cold hearted mass murderer.

[TAVittorio24]

 

I'd be willing to bet that Michael will slowly be revealed as the antagonist. Just something about his story and overall vibe seems sinister to me.

You are a thick headed person....probably one of the few people who still believes one of the 3 main playable characters is the enemy even after me and numerous other people debunked that rumor.

Youre thick headed. You dont know sh*t about this game so you have "debunked" nothing. Im not sayin its fact, but it could be done elegently. Like haytham in ac3. You dont like it, but they are going a different path.

Get off gta kings dick.

Youre f*ckin stupid kid. Im not referring to the "antagonist, protagonist" quote. Im fully f*cking aware what that means. Im saying you cant debunk sh*t cuz you know absolutely nothing about the game. So why dont you go to some other site to contribute your stupid f*cking opinions.

 

Ok: i dont know anything about the game either, but as i stated before. Itd be a fresh storyline turn if the bad guy was a good guy. The emotion that gta iv put into their story left the possibility that what the protags are involved in is a bad thing. Marston and bellic both want to be good.

 

I can also see how people have the feeling that michael has the sinister vibe. Gtawiki for michael's character page said michael seems good compared to trevor, but in the end you might find the opposite. They never directly "debunked" the fact that a betrayal could happen

 

So rjeev142.....do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.

Edited February 16, 2013 by TAVittorio24