LTA1992 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 (NaturalNews) President Obama plans to use military drones in the skies over the United States to assassinate journalists, patriots and critics of his administration. That's the inescapable conclusion from the emerging pattern of evidence now publicly available -- keep reading for details. Front and center in this pattern of evidence is the 16-page memo that was just released by Obama's lawyers in the Department of Justice. This memo puts forth a "legal justification" for the President to order the drone assassination of any American citizen he names -- anytime, anywhere, for any reason. This new power claimed by the President has no basis in federal law or the Constitution. It is an invented power of absolute tyranny that puts the power to decide who lives and who dies in the hands of one man. This document essentially legalizes the President acting as a serial murderer. It is claimed that the purpose of this new power to simply name any American the President doesn't like and immediately have them struck by a Hellfire missile launched from a drone is designed to "protect America." Yet the 16-page memo that claims to justify all this was intentionally written to include Americans on U.S. soil as potential targets. As Judge Andrew Napolitano explained just a few days ago on Fox News: "This 16-page white paper is written so vaguely that the logic from it could... permit the President to kill Americans here in the United States." That's the whole point, actually. If Americans on U.S. soil were to be excluded from such drone assassinations, such language would have been made readily apparent in the memo. But no such language is found in the memo. In fact, the tone of the document quite clearly states that the President has the authority to order drone killings of U.S. citizens anywhere in the world, under any circumstances. This legal manipulation even has U.S. Senators worried. Democrat Senator Patrick J Leahy and Senator Charles Grassley sent a letter to Obama on Friday, stating, "The deliberate killing of a United States citizen pursuant to a targeted operation authorized or aided by our government raises significant constitutional and legal concerns." That's the understatement of the year. U.S. Senators are trying to create an "oversight committee" so that a few of them are part of the illegal, unconstitutional decision process of which Americans the U.S. government should murder next. As Kurt Nimmo reports with InfoWars.com: Feinstein has proposed "legislation to ensure that drone strikes are carried out in a manner consistent with our values, and the proposal to create an analogue of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to review the conduct of such strikes," in other words a secret tribunal that will hand down kill orders for Americans the government believes are "suspected militants." If drones are to be unleashed under the values of Feinstein -- an outright traitor to the nation and a serial violator of the U.S. Constitution -- then God help us all. Remember, Feinstein is the Senator who has already said she wants all Americans to turn all their guns in. She literally wants the entire U.S. civilian population disarmed so that government has all the weapons, including drones which Feinstein wants flying over U.S. cities, ready to strike named American citizens at any moment. The American "battlefield" doctrine and the NDAA In defending the drone assassination powers of the President, you might hear language used that says drones will "only be used on the battlefield." That seems to imply they will only be used in the Middle East, right? Wrong. The USA has been legally defined as the new "battlefield" by the NDAA. That's the National Defense Authorization Act which also allows for the arrest and indefinite detention of American citizens without trial, without legal representation and even without them ever being charged. The USA is the new "battlefield," and when you combine the NDAA and the DOJ's new drone killing justification memo, you now have the claimed legal framework for any American on U.S. soil to be arrested, detained, tortured or blown to bits without warning and without even a single shred of evidence being presented against him. Yes, this is America today. Right now. You are living under a military dictatorship and most of you don't even realize it yet. Even liberals and progressives are starting to wake up to Obama's tyranny, by the way. On Democracy Now, Daniel Ellsberg recently described Obama's actions as a "systematic assault on the Constitution." Who are the terrorists? Of course, anyone who raises these points will be immediately dismissed with the claim that all this new power in the hands of the President will only be used "against terrorists." Okay, then who are the terrorists, exactly? It turns out they are YOU! As Judge Napolitano recently explained: The [Janet Napolitano DHS] memorandum said that people who are pro-life, people who believe in the right to keep and bear arms, returning veterans, people who think the government is too big and the IRS is too powerful, could be characterized as domestic terrorists. That could characterize two-thirds of the country. (Click here to see related video.) Another DHS report named as terrorists anyone who opposes illegal immigration, abortion or federal taxes. The pieces of the puzzle So now it all becomes clear: 1) The NDAA legalized the federal government arresting, detaining and torturing American citizens if they were classified as "terrorists." 2) The DOJ drone-killing memo legalized the President murdering anyone he names by simply claiming they might be associated with "terrorists." 3) The DHS announces that anyone who isn't an absolutely Big Government boot-licker and Obama worshipper IS A TERRORIST. And there you have it: The full circle of justification to use military drone strikes against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. Simply call them terrorists, and the rest of the legal framework backs you up. I repeat: All that is necessary to justify the murder of American citizens without trial is labeling them "terrorists" even with no evidence to support such a claim. The drone killings require no evidence. They only require the signature of one man. Who is likely on the drone strike target list in the USA So who is most likely to be assassinated by President Obama once drone strikes are fully unleashed in the USA? • Journalists. • Political opponents. • Anti-government protesters. (One Hellfire missile takes 'em all out.) • Online activists. • Veterans. • Gun owners and gun shops. • Constitutionalists and libertarians. Drone strikes are completely silent because the Hellfire missiles arrive faster than the speed of sound. You don't even hear the missile until after the explosion. The blast radius of a Hellfire missile is 15 - 20 meters, and everything inside that radius is completely obliterated. This is more than enough to destroy entire homes, apartments and office buildings, not to mention vehicles and even light bunkers. World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah actually voiced his concern about Obama being reelected, saying that he believed Obama would "kill journalists" if he won a second term. Farah is not being paranoid. He's right on the money with where this is going. Click here to read his article published right before the 2012 election. Drones are weapons of tyranny In the history of America, rifles are the weapons of liberty, and in any war limited to just rifles and similar weapons, the People will always achieve victory over tyranny. But tyrannies tend to rise up when specialized, highly-complex weapons come onto the scene, creating an imbalance of military power that suppresses the People. Drones are that new weapon: There is virtually no citizen defense against drones, and drones can strike targets anyone in the country with zero warning. You do not get called to appear in court, you do not get arrested, and you do not receive a warning. You're simply murdered by the U.S. President without warning and without a trial. That's the new America. The cover story: Drone strikes that actually take out the homes of Obama's political enemies can even be explained away as "bombings" using conventional explosives. A convenient cover story can keep drones out of the news, even while drone strikes are taking out journalists, activists and critics of the criminal Obama regime. You might wonder, then, what is the strategy for defending against drones? It all comes down to men with rifles raiding drone airfields and taking them over. Once again, rifles become the single most important tool of resistance in the face of tyranny, which is exactly why the government is right now desperately seeking to register and confiscate all rifles in the hands of U.S. citizens. The MQ-1C Warrior drone has an operational range of 675 miles, meaning that drone airfields must be relatively close to intended targets. The airfields are the weak link, and this is what Americans must take back if drone mass murder is unleashed against American citizens (by any president, now or in the future). There are also some high-tech defenses against drones. Iran appears to have hacked a drone by feeding it false GPS signals, guiding it to land on an Iranian runway where it was then taken into custody by the government there. This sort of GPS hacking appears to be relatively simple to accomplish, but the technique has never been proven in an actual military conflict. Another defense against drones is to stay on the move. Don't hole up in fixed locations for long periods of time. Drone strikes are only effective if the intended target's location is known with certainty. In a resistance war against a tyrannical government, resistance forces will of course remain very mobile and unpredictable in their locations and movements. This will cause the government to waste lots of Hellfire missiles blowing up empty houses and likely killing the wrong people. Every drone strike against U.S. targets will, of course, enrage the population even further, resulting in yet another mass wave of recruitment into the resistance. The more Americans Obama (or another president) kills with drones, the more powerful the resistance becomes. This spiral continues until there is either a violent armed overthrow of the government or the entire resistance movement is mass murdered by the government itself. In the case of the latter, that's how we end up with Hitler, Stalin, Mao and other dictatorial tyrants who assume power in the aftermath of blood running in the streets. Stop being so naive -- this is happening NOW! If you think any of this seems outlandish, you aren't paying attention. The 16-page drone assassination memo has already been published. The NDAA is federal law. The DHS memos are real. All of us who question government, who own firearms, and who believe in the Bill of Rights have already been named terrorists. The stage is being set to wage an all-out war with the American people. That's the reason DHS has purchased 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. It's the reason DHS is buying 7,000 full-auto assault rifles. All these weapons and ammo are for exclusive use inside the United States of America, on U.S. soil. This is why thousands of bulletproof roadside checkpoints have been purchased by DHS. It's why steel cable dividers are being installed on highways, so that you can't turn around when approaching a TSA checkpoint. This is why talk of shooting gun owners is openly tolerated and even encouraged in the mainstream media and on social networks. We are witnessing a full-on ramping up toward total war with the American people. This war will be caused (false-flagged) by the government itself, and it will be waged on U.S. soil, using drone assassinations, nationwide gun confiscation, FEMA camps and of course a declaration of Martial Law to justify it all. The end game is a complete takeover of America by socialist / communist / fascist forces and the outright abolition of liberties and firearms in the hands of citizens. America is scheduled for termination, and people like Obama have been placed in power precisely because he can fool enough people for a sufficient amount of time to get this plan underway without popular resistance. Obama is seductive and hypnotic, so his followers will think he's helping America even while he's actually destroying it by design. Drones are terminators in the sky, controlled by one man -- a tyrant who sits in the Oval Office and respects no boundaries of either the Constitution or federal law. He makes law up as he goes along, betraying his oath of office and violating the very tenants of justice upon which this country was founded. Obama is a traitor to America and a danger to us all. For the sake of America's future, he must be impeached, thrown out of office and replaced with a President who actually upholds the Constitution and respects the laws of the land. -------------------------------- Thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I doubt it. They will only be used to murder anyone he or his people 'think' are terrorists, which is ok with many people. If there is collateral damage, hey, it's only to be expected. Don't forget his people say he can murder anyone he wants, if he writes a Presidential Order to cover it. Although the PO will of course be secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent17 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I am struggling to see any positive outcome from this legislation. I am guessing this is going to be implemented along-side the planned 5,000 US surveillance drones (or whatever the number was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I doubt it. They will only be used to murder anyone he or his people 'think' are terrorists, which is ok with many people. If there is collateral damage, hey, it's only to be expected. Don't forget his people say he can murder anyone he wants, if he writes a Presidential Order to cover it. Although the PO will of course be secret. Did you just wake up one day to find that you are Slamman, only really political? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Right, because logic dictates that a vague legal memo must automatically mean the absolute worst thing possible, even if it neither said nor implies it. Sersiouly, UAS' (not "drones") have been discussed length here. Any mandate for using them on US soil would infer that there was also a mandate for using conventional attack aircraft or helicopter gunships on US soil. And I'm pretty sure that's expressly forbidden. As usual, people who get over-excited about memos like this tend to forget that there are numerous other legal restrictions in place that aren't necessarily referred to by the memo itself, but preclude nasty/evil/frankly idiotic things from taking place. Like the fact that the primary operator of armed unmanned aircraft in the US, the CIA, has no mandate to conduct direct action activities on US soil. Also, nice to see a source notorious for peddling snake-oil and AIDS denialism. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mister Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Obama isnt dumb enough to put strikes on home turf, killing gun owners and what not. What sort of f*cking nonsense is this? God these conspiracy people are really getting their ideology out the past couple years. Its all fear and its not helping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Obama isnt dumb enough to put strikes on home turf, killing gun owners and what not. What sort of f*cking nonsense is this? God these conspiracy people are really getting their ideology out the past couple years. Its all fear and its not helping Quite. There's so much absurd hysteria and illogical bollocks in that post. Oh, the NDAA permits the indefinite imprisonment, torture and killing of US citizens on US soil (it does no such thing) Oh, this person has said that people can be labelled terrorists just for being pro-life (utter bullsh*t, the idiots who post this nonsense clearly don't know the first thing about how the US defines terrorism) Oh, we're living under a military dictatorship (except for the absence of military, and absence of dictatorship) Yeah, personally I'm not buying some inflammatory horse-sh*t championed by an AIDS-denying woo-peddler with absolutely no understanding of the legal system of his own damn country. You'd have to be brain-dead or lobotomised to fall for this kind of nonsense (awaits GMS arriving on cue). AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I'll admit that initially, that post seemed to veer running and screaming into tl;dr territory so I went straight to ridiculing lil weasel, but upon actually reading the OP, this has to be the funniest politicised topic I've seen since GMS and Ryda slinked back off to the Infowars forum: Who is likely on the drone strike target list in the USA So who is most likely to be assassinated by President Obama once drone strikes are fully unleashed in the USA? • Journalists. • Political opponents. • Anti-government protesters. (One Hellfire missile takes 'em all out.) • Online activists. • Veterans. • Gun owners and gun shops. • Constitutionalists and libertarians. That last part was pure gold! Like one of the most publicly marginalised and least intellectually credible groups in the political arena is going to be wiped out by the government. It's like in whatever Ayn Rand novel you live in Obama and co. know they're the bad guys and that uni kids who don't grasp economic or social sciences are the biggest threat to their evil plan to build a communist utopia by over-taxing the producers! Also they're going to hit gun owners with air strikes, presumably to stop them rising up against the government the next time they raise taxes on the rich another two percent! I swear I'm not usually this acerbic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Have some fun with the subject, Watch: "Blue Thunder" for the enjoyment. I can picture Our Sheldon bouncing up and down on the couch screaming,"They Can't Do That. It doesn't make sense!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I can picture Our Sheldon bouncing up and down on the couch screaming,"They Can't Do That. It doesn't make sense!" Your one-man war on intelligence and rationality is starting to get rather tiring. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acehilm Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Is doesn't matter if these drones are out there, mainly because they've been watching us the whole time anyway without these 'drones'. I don't see the sense behind killing the people in that categorised list. That's what I don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I don't see the sense behind killing the people in that categorised list. That's what I don't get. I'll explain it to you then: OP is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMaster Smith Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 ..Not surprised to see the usual 'political information corrector's' rolling though here.. I really hope that average person has enough intelligence to see through these people's way of trolling these types of threads to death and actually go research what the OP is talking about. Major cities around the USA have been for a few years now. They have the ability to call martial law whenever seen appropriate. If you don't know what Martial Law is I highly implore you to go read about it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Funny how you're telling people to do "research" yet you seem to be unaware that martial law is, by definition, a temporary measure. But keep on accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being hired by the government to obstruct your mission, it doesn't make you sound crazy at all! It doesn't sound too unlikely that the government is so spooked by your activity on this forum that they hired some people to troll you while becoming apart of the community and posting information about their false not-government-shill lives so as not to arouse suspicion. Sorry if I broke anyone's sarcasm meter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Major cities around the USA have been performing urban warfare military drills for a few years now. Which you'd probably find slightly less surprising if, y'know, a large proportion of the counter insurgrency conflict the US is currently involved in didn't consist of FIBUA/UO. It tends to be rather hard to engage in FIBUA training without doing it in a built up environment. It's almost like your intentionally ignoring reality, history and actual current affairs to create these absurd fallacies. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I don't buy any of this crap, but i'll play your game. Tell me, How is a Drone (Or whatever the f*ck the proper terminology is, sorry I don't know, i'm not a retarded conspiracy theorist reading about this sh*t) better for assassinations than a Human? It's not really, sure Drone's can't talk, but if it was ever found that a drone killed someone, it could be traced back to who ordered it. An Assassination from a human could be played down quite easily as a mugging gone wrong, a hate crime, a random murder, whatever, a Drone assassination can't really be called anything other than an assassination. So going by this logic I just invented, wouldn't using humans for assassinations be much better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I don't buy any of this crap, but i'll play your game. Tell me, How is a Drone (Or whatever the f*ck the proper terminology is, sorry I don't know, i'm not a retarded conspiracy theorist reading about this sh*t) better for assassinations than a Human? It's not really, sure Drone's can't talk, but if it was ever found that a drone killed someone, it could be traced back to who ordered it. An Assassination from a human could be played down quite easily as a mugging gone wrong, a hate crime, a random murder, whatever, a Drone assassination can't really be called anything other than an assassination. So going by this logic I just invented, wouldn't using humans for assassinations be much better? You aren't getting it- they don't believe the government has to engage in covert means of political repression because someone has convinced them that the the right of the government to indiscriminately kill dissidents is now enshrined in legislation. Despite the legislation in question coming under heavy scrutiny and criticism, nobody who isn't a crazy conspiracy theorist has reached that conclusion, but does that deter them? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I don't buy any of this crap, but i'll play your game. Tell me, How is a Drone (Or whatever the f*ck the proper terminology is, sorry I don't know, i'm not a retarded conspiracy theorist reading about this sh*t) better for assassinations than a Human? It's not really, sure Drone's can't talk, but if it was ever found that a drone killed someone, it could be traced back to who ordered it. An Assassination from a human could be played down quite easily as a mugging gone wrong, a hate crime, a random murder, whatever, a Drone assassination can't really be called anything other than an assassination. So going by this logic I just invented, wouldn't using humans for assassinations be much better? You aren't getting it- they don't believe the government has to engage in covert means of political repression because someone has convinced them that the the right of the government to indiscriminately kill dissidents is now enshrined in legislation. Despite the legislation in question coming under heavy scrutiny and criticism, nobody who isn't a crazy conspiracy theorist has reached that conclusion, but does that deter them? No. I get that, and the idea of it is worrisome, but the whole "Drone's are becoming assassins" thing seems a bit ridiculous, I seriously doubt they are just going to start killing people off with these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 As clear a case as any of people blurting out nonsense without stopping to think. UA strikes are successful abroad because of the thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars a day which go into reconnaissance, intelligence gathering of all kinds and target assessment. I can't really see a $400-per-person-per-hour intelligence committee trying to decide whether to off Alex Jones or David Ike first. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Why is it so hard to believe? The new provision Obama added to the NDAA that went into effect 1/1/2012 DOES say that they can throw you in jail indefinitely as a PREVENTATIVE measure. Meaning that if they THINK you are going to do something, without definite proof, you are going to jail without trial by jury. Indefinitely. Which is against the law. President or not. Even mainstream media pointed this out. Department of Homeland Security is almost exclusively restricted to domestic matters. Why would they need 1.6 Billion rounds of Hollow Point ammunition? Hollow points are designed to destroy your internal organs on impact. The most recent order was for somewhaere within the 400 million range. That's enough for every man, woman, and child in america with some to spare. Why would they also need bulletproof roadside checkpoints? I mean, the groundwork for Martial Law was laid withing the last 4 years with the 144 Executive Orders (A made up power) Obama put into place. And do you know what would give them a reason to implement it? A big enough Natural Disaster. Economic collapse ( banks were warned last august but it was just reported on the news station I watch [PIX11] last month) Civil Unrest I bet you don't even remember the comment Obama made while running back in 2008 that he wanted to create a Civilian Defense Force as powerful as our military. That may be what this ammunition is for. You know you have a problem when people who immigrated here from communist countries ARE TELLING US that we are going the smae direction. And Obama has stated that Communism is a "Model for the World". I agree when the Chinese call him a traitor. 1st Amemdment: Free Speech. Obama was trying to restrict that do to people cursing out police officers and governent officials. 2nd Amendment: Currently in the process of being taken away. Obama supports Dianne Feinsteins plan to outlaw 158 types of Rifles, Shotguns, and Handguns. 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments: Right against unreasonable Search and Seizure without a warrant, cannot be charged twice for the same crime, and Trial By Jury. Violated with the NDAA. The 5th would be impossible to have because if there is no trial by jury, and you are innoccent, then there is no possible way to be protected from Double Jeopardy. 8th Amendment: Right against Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Violated by NDAAs indefinite detention provision. Since, you know, you'll most likely end up either in Guantanamo Bay or the Detainment facilities being set up around the country. And the amount of Drones in the sky can reach up to 30,000 by 2020 according to the FAA. YahooVices says, "The wording of the Justice Department is vague. Vagueness leads policies to being "open to interpretation," which leads to those policies being manipulated." Agree on that line? You should, because Vagueness is always ripe for abuse. And this is the country that helped Hitler get into power. The country that arms drug cartels. The country that has killen hundreds of innocent in Pakistan alone. If you THINK that the US won't turn its weaopns own people, you are hella delusionl. Call me paranoid, but paranoid keeps me alive every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Why is it so hard to believe? Because it's totally absurd? Because it's abundantly clear that the people who rant and rave about things like the NDAA don't actually understand it (as you've demonstrated quite handily: there is contrary to popular belief no provision that permits indefinite detention of US citizens as there is a caveat which clearly states all citizens and resident aliens are afforded the rights given to them by their citizenship or residency)? These questions of "why this, why that" don't constitute a reasonable argument that something is fundamentally wrong. That is an assumption based on a lack iof understanding: "I don't personally understand x, so it must be nefarious". Roughly akin to the logic that intelligent design supporters use to justify their belief- "I don't understand evolution, therefore God did it". Do US police forces and federal agencies have to instigate roadblocks? Yes. Do various criminals carry firearms? Yes. So why is it difficult to foresee their use in a perfectly acceptable way? This is what I don't understand. The conspiracy hack goes out of his way to imply reasonable things with rational uses are automatically malevolent actions. Why is that, when there is absolutely no evidence to support it? Logically it is akin to claiming that God is the cause of everything you don't understand. Pretty sure the idea that Obama ever spoke positively about Communism is bullsh*t too, seen as he's firmly centre right to anyone except bible thumping xenophobes and hardline wingnuts. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdongs Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 What's wrong with martial law preparations GMS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaphron Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 That last part was pure gold! Like one of the most publicly marginalised and least intellectually credible groups in the political arena is going to be wiped out by the government. Coming from an anarchist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I don't know what's more idiotic: this topic or someone sharing a photo on Facebook this morning that said the provisions of Obamacare require all babies born after March 2013 to have an RFID chip installed in their hand. People are amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I think it belongs in the Neck. Much easier than tracking mobile phones. Anybody Know why the Government requires GPS in phones? Power seeks Power. A President that finds his own law by writing his Presidential Orders doesn't need no stinking Congress. Suck it up, our new Government Empowered Special Transportation Police Organization (GESTPO) seems to be a step forward toward the "Brave New World", Hail Ford. No one here seems to have Direct information on any subject. If the person selects an unapproved source it is instant ridicule. But, the thought is still there. If the Elitist’s here don't want to believe, fine but you don't need to abuse the posters. Nobody has mentioned where will all the Radio Signals come from that are going to be used to ‘Control’ these DRONES and cell phones, and ID chips. How far apart must these transmitters be. Then, what about ‘Computerized’ DRONES? What if the ‘program’ fails. Will the Government say, “Tough Luck” when they fall out of the sky And, just happen to hit a potential targeted person/clan? When we have a Governmental System that is expanding its Powers (through many Presidents) would it be a conspiracy? Seems like all the Political Parties are heading in the same direction. Seems it all started with the first Bush and has expanded since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Vacuum Seal Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 For better or worse, they have proven to be the future. Drones achieve many of the goals that our police and military forces work towards. "shut up, sit down, relax" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 No one here seems to have Direct information on any subject. Speak for yourself. Some of us have a great deal of first hand peripheral and I'm sure in some cases direct familiarity with this kind of technology; others of us with the legal basis in which they can operate. When you say "no-one", you really just refer to yourself and LTA 1992, no? If the person selects an unapproved source it is instant ridicule. Speak for your own sources. If the Elitist’s here don't want to believe, fine but you don't need to abuse the posters. If the conspiracy theorists insist on making posts filled with glaring logical flaws, the rational amongst us will continue to pick holes in them. Nobody has mentioned where will all the Radio Signals come from that are going to be used to ‘Control’ these DRONES and cell phones, and ID chips. How about the f*ck-off massive electromagnetic oscillation range, or "band" from about 3000 Hz to 300 GHz? How far apart must these transmitters be. That depends on frequency. Then, what about ‘Computerized’ DRONES? They're basically unworkable as they'd be inferior to pilot-influenced craft in every imaginable way. We don't have self-driving cars for a good reason- computer aren't as good at weighing up multiple sources of information and making snap judgements. What if the ‘program’ fails. Will the Government say, “Tough Luck” when they fall out of the sky And, just happen to hit a potential targeted person/clan? Not quite sure what you mean here? Are you suggesting that letting unmanned aircraft fall from the sky would be a new go-to method for assassination? Seems it all started with the first Bush Who are you, that do not know your history? As usual, you're producing a lot of words and not really saying very much, very clearly. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunk Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Stopped reading after the first sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMaster Smith Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) What's wrong with martial law preparations GMS.. Seriously? Look how well they did with Katrina.. Survivors of the disaster were treated as criminals.. guns confiscated, military killing looters.. Military personnel roaming the streets while all our rights are 'temporarily' disabled.. it's ludicrous they even have the power to do that. I'm not going to go off on it, Sivi and his usual little followers will just go on for days with ad hominems saying everything's a fallacy to mislead the average reader. Research it for yourselves, don't let these people do your thinking for you. They have a very specific way of debating that is used to differ the reader from further researching. They label anyone who knows about this as crazy or loons so the average reader is scared to say anything out of fear of being associated with 'tin foil hat loons.' Google NDAA Obama indefinite detention or youtube martial law in Katrina.. The information is out there don't let the usual Political information corrector's sway you. They'll cherry pick one small thing then go off on in while ignoring all the important points. Edited February 13, 2013 by GrandMaster Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdongs Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Seriously? Look how well they did with Katrina.. Survivors of the disaster were treated as criminals.. guns confiscated, military killing looters.. Military personnel roaming the streets while all our rights are 'temporarily' disabled.. it's ludicrous they even have the power to do that. Clearly you know absolutely nothing about disaster response. You can't have people just running around rampant without law and order in a disaster zone - your "gov takes my freedom man" bullsh*t really pisses me off sometimes. The primary role of a government is not to protect liberties, but to protect the citizenry. Martial law is an excellent tool for this when an area is devastated and the citizenry don't respond to local law enforcement, or if local law enforcement is not able to operate due to said natural disaster. Let me ask you this - what would YOU suggest be the best way to respond to a natural disaster? Just send in a bunch of unarmed FEMA people with aid packages to be killed and stripped of whatever supplies they bring? That sound good to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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