Manhunt for ex-cop

[Adler]

 

A fugitive former police officer accused of declaring war on law enforcement in an Internet manifesto and wanted as a suspect in three murders eluded a manhunt for a second day on Friday in the snow-swept mountains east of Los Angeles.

 

Search teams combed hillsides and homes around a ski area through the night and past daybreak for Christopher Dorner, 33, a former Navy officer presumed by police to be heavily armed and intent on carrying out a vendetta against those he blames for his 2008 dismissal from the Los Angeles Police Department.

 

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Police have said they believe Dorner was carrying multiple weapons, including an assault-style rifle, though the manifesto attributed to the suspect suggested he might be more heavily armed.

 

"Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting," the message said, in a reference to a Russian-made shoulder-launched missile system.

 

"The violence of action will be high...I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD (Los Angeles Police Department) uniform whether on or off duty," he allegedly wrote.

 

Police said they had taken steps to protect about 40 potential targets mentioned in the online declaration, but the LAPD canceled a citywide tactical alert, where officers are held over on their shifts and work overtime for as long as needed.

 

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Dorner first came to public attention on Wednesday when he was named as a suspect in the weekend killings of a university security officer and his fiancée, college basketball coach Monica Quan, 28, in Irvine, about 40 miles south of Los Angeles. They were found shot to death on Sunday in a car at the top of a parking structure.

 

Quan was the daughter of a retired Los Angeles police captain who represented Dorner in disciplinary action that led to his firing in 2008. Police say Dorner was dismissed for making false statements accusing another officer of using excessive force.

 

Two Los Angeles police officers assigned to a search detail traded gunfire with him early on Thursday in the city of Corona, east of Los Angeles, police said.

 

About 20 minutes later, two other officers were ambushed and one of them was killed. They had been sitting in their patrol car at a traffic light near Corona in the town of Riverside.

 

The officer who died, and whose name has not been released by authorities in an effort to protect his family from Dorner, was an 11-year Riverside police veteran. His wounded partner is expected to make a full recovery, police said.

 

Former Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton warned on CBS television that the burned-out truck was "possibly a diversionary tactic to draw people into that area while he's actually heading south."

 

The FBI said its agents had searched a Las Vegas residence owned by Dorner, who joined the Navy in 2002 and the LAPD in 2005. He was discharged from the Navy Reserves last Friday, two days before Quan and her fiance were found slain.

 

Dorner, who once played college football, blamed the police department not just for firing him but also for ending his Navy career and the loss of close relationships.

 

He listed other grievances as well, such as encountering racism both at the LAPD and as an African-American boy growing up in Southern California.

 

But it remained unclear what led to the violence nearly five years after his firing and three years after his petition to be reinstated to the LAPD was denied by a judge.

Source: Yahoo

 

He posted a manifesto on his facebook page. His account was deleted but you can find his manifesto here:

 

Dorner's Manifesto (Alternate link)

 

It seems like ramblings, but it's more understandable now what his situation was that led him to commit the killings and potentially kill even more. His mindset could be summarized to what he said in his manifesto:

 

 

Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.

 

Clearly, the LAPD is a bit troubled by Dorner since they have shot up two different cars that matched the model Dorner drives. They're trigger-happy, and Dorner doesn't care about staying alive, meaning he'll probably be killed rather than apprehended.

 

I'm interested to see how this goes on. I don't advocate Dorner's actions, but his manifesto does point out extensive details on certain corrupt individuals in the LAPD. While the corruption in the LAPD could be true, Dorner is also attacking family members of his targets, which I don't believe is necessary. There doesn't seem to be room for morality in this case since it's a frustrated man who lost everything, killing some innocents in the process, going against a corrupt system anyway.

 

UPDATE

 

SmellyJelly provided a link to a timeline which is quickly being updated as news comes in.

Edited February 13, 2013 by Adler

[GTA_stu]

Yh I heard about this. Didn't the cops shoot 2 women in a case of mistaken identity, thinking it was the deranged bloke on the run? They must have been a f*cking sight to behold, I mean have you seen the guy!?

 

 

I feel sorry for the women's husbands if someone thought they were him, they're filled with bullet holes so they're even worse now.

[sivispacem]

In all fairness, he got sacked from the LAPD for corruption himself, filing fraudulent police reports and altering the details of others. So I don't really think he has a leg to stand on.

[Adler]

 

Yh I heard about this. Didn't the cops shoot 2 women in a case of mistaken identity, thinking it was the deranged bloke on the run? They must have been a f*cking sight to behold, I mean have you seen the guy!?

I don't think anyone was hurt, but yeah seriously, it's ridiculous how this happened on two separate occasions.

 

 

In all fairness, he got sacked from the LAPD for corruption himself, filing fraudulent police reports and altering the details of others. So I don't really think he has a leg to stand on.

I haven't heard about that, but it makes this sound even more ugly. The police and the perpetrator always say different things. Hard to know who to believe.

[018361]

Apparently he was seen somewhere in my town by CHP. I will have to keep my guard up for a blood thirsty-cop murdering maniac.

[darthYENIK]

Yeah, with the blizzard in the east, I'm sure this is being overshadowed in the rest of the country but it's the big news here in southern California. They apparently found his truck on Bear Mountain in the San Bernardino mountains yesterday. Now a big snow storm rolled in, and I hope he's freezing to death. But he probably left the area long ago. Or he's going Rambo and hiding in the forest.

 

I have a friend who is a Riverside County Deputy, where one of the cops was killed. He already has the black band on his badge. He's one of the good ones, I hope he takes care of himself.

[Herbie11b]

Is his name Carl Johnson?

 

Goddammit! Officer Tenpenny is at it again!

[darthYENIK]

Oh, and today I drove past a neighborhood near where my grandparents live, and there were three or so helicopters hovering overhead. That was Dorner's mother's neighborhood where the FBI and US Marshals are searching.

[orbitalraindrops]

Im getting rambo overtones from this.

[darthYENIK]

Im getting rambo overtones from this.

I was thinking this as well. The difference is that this guy is just some corrupt dickhead that can't handle rejection.

[The N. Bellic Man]

Hopefully he doesn't get caught.

[matajuegos]

I've read the entire manifesto and all the points he exposes are very understandable, I suggest you guys to give it a read.

[Adler]

 

Hopefully he doesn't get caught.

Just saw a map of alleged sightings of Dorner.

 

Source

 

Seems like he could be anywhere. Could be just false sightings all over the map leading cops astray.

 

@matajuegos: Yeah it's mostly understandable where Dorner is coming from with that manifesto, but I'm still skeptical on whether to fully trust it. As with all things told from one point of view, the whole story isn't being told, neither by the news nor by Dorner.

[Chunkyman]

Im getting rambo overtones from this.

Yeah, but like Rambo 2.0

 

Chocolate Rambo

[darthYENIK]

Hopefully he doesn't get caught.

Just saw a map of alleged sightings of Dorner.

 

Source

 

Seems like he could be anywhere. Could be just false sightings all over the map leading cops astray.

 

@matajuegos: Yeah it's mostly understandable where Dorner is coming from with that manifesto, but I'm still skeptical on whether to fully trust it. As with all things told from one point of view, the whole story isn't being told, neither by the news nor by Dorner.

The thing about that map that people that don't know the area should know is that is like a 150-200 mile radius.

 

I get a feeling a bunch of old people are just calling the cops because they see any Black guy.

 

As for the Manifesto, even if he has a point, killing cops is not cool. Like I said, I know a couple cops out in Riverside, and they're good people. They aren't the prick cops that are in L.A. and Orange County.

[Adler]

As for the Manifesto, even if he has a point, killing cops is not cool. Like I said, I know a couple cops out in Riverside, and they're good people. They aren't the prick cops that are in L.A. and Orange County.

Yeah or killing anyone for that matter (according to my personal principles). The only thing that's remotely good about Dorner's attacks is that he doesn't just try to massacre a random group of people then off himself. He has targets, though I still doubt he wouldn't pull the trigger if he sees a cop. He is a fugitive after all.

[Mr.Mister]

Such a shame he had to resort to violence to get the message across. Not cool.

 

Hope they catch the bastard soon

[Carlover325]

I'm usually on the cop's side, but this is just ridiculous. Torrance police have shot up two random trucks, basically for being pickup trucks. Not really sure how cops could mistake two women delivering newspapers in a Toyota Tacoma for a big black guy driving a grey Nissan Titan. Cops shot up the women's truck something like 27 times, putting them both in the hospital. It's very lucky that neither was killed.

 

Then more Torrance police officers were responding to the shots fired in the first case of mistaken identity. They saw a pickup coming towards them, a black Honda Ridgeline, and thought it was Dorner. The cops purposely collided with the truck and shot at the driver. Good thing they missed him.

 

It's just completely ridiculous that cops felt they needed to shoot at these trucks with no confirmation of who was driving. The cops didn't even get the correct manufacturer of the truck in either case.

[SmellyJelly]

 

In all fairness, he got sacked from the LAPD for corruption himself, filing fraudulent police reports and altering the details of others. So I don't really think he has a leg to stand on.

From my understanding, this isn't necessarily true at all. He reported the abuse of another officer (she kicked the suspect while he was handcuffed) and the investigators filed in the other officer's favor. They accused Dorner of lying and he was fired.

 

To put some perspective on Dorner's personality, in 2002 he turned in a lost suitcase filled with $8,000.

 

http://enidnews.com/localnews/x964898713/E...st-church-money

 

Now, I don't agree with Dorner's recent action's at all but I can understand why he's getting some support. After all, when the LAPD are shooting at random civilians it's hard to side with them.

 

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/...LJ4bx6Y.twitter

 

Here is an excellent timeline of what led up to this event:

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1845...s_about_former/

Edited February 9, 2013 by SmellyJelly

[Adler]

 

In all fairness, he got sacked from the LAPD for corruption himself, filing fraudulent police reports and altering the details of others. So I don't really think he has a leg to stand on.

From my understanding, this isn't necessarily true at all. He reported the abuse of another officer (she kicked the suspect while he was handcuffed) and the investigators filed in the other officer's favor. They accused Dorner of lying and he was fired.

 

To put some perspective on Dorner's personality, in 2002 he turned in a lost suitcase filled with $8,000.

 

http://enidnews.com/localnews/x964898713/E...st-church-money

 

Now, I don't agree with Dorner's recent action's at all but I can understand why he's getting some support. After all, when the LAPD are shooting at random civilians it's hard to side with them.

 

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/...LJ4bx6Y.twitter

 

Here is an excellent timeline of what led up to this event:

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1845...s_about_former/

Thanks for that timeline (and props to the guy that gathered all that info).

 

I've also heard of that $8k that he returned. Would a man with the integrity to return that money also have motive to fake police reports? It certainly doesn't make sense for him to do such a thing. Either Dorner is crooked or the LAPD is, and I'm willing to bet the chance that the latter is much more corrupt.

[tubbs51]

This is going to be really ugly before it ends. The LAPD should have undergone a full and thorough reform years ago. Dorner shouldnt have commited those murders but the LAPD is as corrupt as they come. I'm more inclined to believe Dorner than the LAPD.

[Finn 7 five 11]

In all fairness, he got sacked from the LAPD for corruption himself, filing fraudulent police reports and altering the details of others. So I don't really think he has a leg to stand on.

Maybe he was bringing in corrupt cops and they falsified him to get him kicked out!

[SmellyJelly]

I read the manifesto. It was actually rather interesting, though long. Dorner's mood seems to change throughout. It's late and I hope I didn't miss anything big, but here is a quick summary:

 

Dorner begins by explaining why he got fired from the LAPD (he was a whistleblower) and claims that the corruption has ruined his good name. He defines himself as having strong ethics and integrity.

 

Then he says that the murders were necessary to clear his name, and he proceeds to threaten several individuals and groups of officers. Some of his language at this point does get awfully scary and dark. He tells the LAPD that he knows their tactics and can counter them.

 

Then the writing takes an abrupt twist. Dorner begins to discuss the assault weapon ban (he is in favor of it). He asks that his brain is preserved for future research. This section is really short and from this point on the writing style becomes less professional and consistent.

 

By the end, Dorner made a list of all his friends along with kind messages about each of them. Eventually he begins including celebrities and even Obama (who Dorner doesn't agree with 100% but still appreciates, along with George H. W. Bush). He even addresses Anonymous and road cyclists. Finally, he gives support to the LGBT community before abruptly ending his essay midword.

[Typhus]

I just read his manifesto and firmly believe that this man is suffering from some mental illness.

That he is inhuman enough to write to the children of the cops he plans to kill that 'your dad was a tyrant and deserved to die' is one thing, but then he starts rambling about The Walking Dead and makes numerous references to The Hangover III.

It's a disjointed, bizarre mess and I feel it represents the workings of a mind that is far removed from all sane reasoning.

 

He does not seem to realise the gravity of his actions. If he did, he wouldn't start discussing TV shows and talk show hosts right after declaring that he was going to kill cops both on the streets and in their homes.

[SmC12]

 

I just read his manifesto and firmly believe that this man is suffering from some mental illness.

That he is inhuman enough to write to the children of the cops he plans to kill that 'your dad was a tyrant and deserved to die' is one thing, but then he starts rambling about The Walking Dead and makes numerous references to The Hangover III.

It's a disjointed, bizarre mess and I feel it represents the workings of a mind that is far removed from all sane reasoning.

 

He does not seem to realise the gravity of his actions. If he did, he wouldn't start discussing TV shows and talk show hosts right after declaring that he was going to kill cops both on the streets and in their homes.

Really? I was expecting it to be like some crazy mental rambling, but to me it seemed the complete opposite. He seems to have a clear mind and knows exactly what he's doing, or wants to do. He mentioned TV and other irrelevant things because it's essentially his last words and he said he won't live to see The Hangover III, it has nothing to do with his actions. I mean, of course it's a mess jumbled together, what would you expect him to say before he is killed? He pretty much covered everything, from why he's doing this, to leaving notes for his friends and family. That doesn't sound like somebody mentally unstable to me, that sounds like someone who is confident in what he's doing, and knows the likelihood of surviving is minute.

 

It's a shame, because on one hand he's doing the right thing by revealing the misconduct he's witnessed instead of being intimidated and keeping his mouth shut like I'm sure many other officers have, if this is all true. But, on the other hand, instead of being some hero for exposing the corruption which still remains in the LAPD, he's now a murderer on the run. It could have all gone in his favour if he hadn't decided to kill anyone. Then again, would anyone have even known about him if he hadn't? I guess in his eyes it was necessary in order to gain maximum attention on the situation.

Edited February 9, 2013 by SmC12

[EscoLehGo]

I'm not reading his manifesto but it sounds like you guys are impressed with it because it wasn't written in feces or something.

[Adler]

 

I just read his manifesto and firmly believe that this man is suffering from some mental illness.

That he is inhuman enough to write to the children of the cops he plans to kill that 'your dad was a tyrant and deserved to die' is one thing, but then he starts rambling about The Walking Dead and makes numerous references to The Hangover III.

It's a disjointed, bizarre mess and I feel it represents the workings of a mind that is far removed from all sane reasoning.

 

He does not seem to realise the gravity of his actions. If he did, he wouldn't start discussing TV shows and talk show hosts right after declaring that he was going to kill cops both on the streets and in their homes.

I don't think that alone can be indicative of mental illness, but if you do believe he has lost sanity, then what mental illness would you identify him with? Seemed more like he wanted to say his goodbyes (and his blessings to celebrities apparently), but didn't know where to put it so he just put it at the end.

 

@EscoLehGo: Yeah that, and it made sense. Is it not interesting to peer into the mind of a fugitive to know what he is thinking? Gives you a better understanding to put yourself in his shoes.

[EscoLehGo]

@EscoLehGo: Yeah that, and it made sense. Is it not interesting to peer into the mind of a fugitive to know what he is thinking? Gives you a better understanding to put yourself in his shoes.

Sure it's interesting, but I'd be more inclined to read the manifestos of Adam Lanza and James Holmes out of sheer morbid curiosity rather than this guy who has somehow become a misguided, Twitter folk hero. His running about like Rambo and claiming to be on some bizarre war against the police is really annoying, it's like a cheesy Michael Bay movie except people are actually dying through out it. Also, are there any details on why and how he murdered his ex-attorney's daughter and her fiance? I haven't seen anything so far other than he killed them.

[S5L3T0]

@EscoLehGo: Yeah that, and it made sense. Is it not interesting to peer into the mind of a fugitive to know what he is thinking? Gives you a better understanding to put yourself in his shoes.

Sure it's interesting, but I'd be more inclined to read the manifestos of Adam Lanza and James Holmes out of sheer morbid curiosity rather than this guy who has somehow become a misguided, Twitter folk hero. His running about like Rambo and claiming to be on some bizarre war against the police is really annoying, it's like a cheesy Michael Bay movie except people are actually dying through out it. Also, are there any details on why and how he murdered his ex-attorney's daughter and her fiance? I haven't seen anything so far other than he killed them.

Then why even come post? To show your superiority over people who are interested?

 

Personally, I think this is much more interesting than the dime-a-dozen anti-social murderer who will pull the trigger on a kid. But hey, that's just my opinion.

[GTA-King]

If only he didn't go on a killing spree, then I might actually be rooting for him. There has to be something the media isn't telling us about him though. But nonetheless, I have came to the conclusion that both the LAPD (obviously) and Dorner are corrupt in different ways.