American Gun Control discussion and GTA V

[Burner]

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

Because they are cool. Why own a muscle car when they are terribly uneconomical and tend to break down in higher horsepower applications. Why not buy a Honda? A 9MM is like a honda, an assault rifle is like a Chevelle. Some people, like myself, like to collect high caliber guns just for the hell of it.

 

Or another reason, just because we can. I, myself, am a proud assault rifle owner. If anyone ever does try to enter my house illegally, chances are there wont even be a firefight after seeing my AR-15 pointed at them. Pointing a 9MM at a thug who has a 9MM himself, chances are there will be a shootout. Break out the big guns, and the thug will most likely go 'OH sh*t" and run back out of the house.

 

I'm not even reading most of the bullsh*t that I am sure there is in this topic. But to sum up my replies to what I know people have posted:

 

Gun control wont fix nuthin', except make us civilians have to obtain our guns in the same way criminals do, or do without altogether, in which case makes us vulnerable to criminals.

 

People who want gun control are idiots.

 

People who blame anything other than the person firing the gun are idiots. What happened to taking responsibility for ones actions? If the guy had not committed suicide and was still alive, this wouldn't be an issue, as the media would just be going solely after him. But since he's dead, the media and idiots have to put the blame on someone else, which is now legal gun owners.

 

I feel bad for people who live in countries that have gun control, or are just over controlled by government, period.

 

Lastly, why would this delay GTAV? The American public mostly has a short attention span(I'm american), this incident has mostly been forgotten already, if the Government wasnt trying to place more control on us, it wouldnt even be being discussed anymore(not to be disrespectful, but the truth) GTAV isnt set to release for several months, so almost everyone will have forgotten this incident and moved onto the next load of spoonfed bullsh*t from the news.

 

Fuggoff gun control supporters.

 

 

 

 

[jpalmer2004]

I was thinking about this the other day..

 

I'm not concerned about the game being banned at all because of this. What I am concerned about is the PC crowd creating a frenzy and possibly delaying this game based on public sentiment and guns. (Will that happen i highly doubt it)

 

You also gotta think about something. In this day in age. News travels so fast and people focus their attention on different things so fast that this gun frenzy will go away as soon as another big news event happens. IE a natural disaster or a big league athlete or celebrity dying.

 

Governments and most people don't do things based on logic or common sense anymore. They do things based on feelings and political correctness. If this doesn't hurt right now...It don't matter...

 

Its pretty pathetic actually...lol

[AlphaWaveMovement]

Nothing will happen to the game. But if recent events and media whining make some parents re consider buying COD or GTA for their 12 year old kid then thats not a bad thing

[jpalmer2004]

Nothing will happen to the game. But if recent events and media whining make some parents re consider buying COD or GTA for their 12 year old kid then thats not a bad thing

I wouldn't buy GTA games for my kid...

 

I'd buy it for myself....

 

He can't get his own gdamn game...

 

[AlphaWaveMovement]

Nothing will happen to the game. But if recent events and media whining make some parents re consider buying COD or GTA for their 12 year old kid then thats not a bad thing 

I wouldn't buy GTA games for my kid...

 

I'd buy it for myself....

 

He can't get his own gdamn game...

 

haha exactly

 

responsibility

[73duster]

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

Because they are cool. Why own a muscle car when they are terribly uneconomical and tend to break down in higher horsepower applications. Why not buy a Honda? A 9MM is like a honda, an assault rifle is like a Chevelle. Some people, like myself, like to collect high caliber guns just for the hell of it.

 

Or another reason, just because we can. I, myself, am a proud assault rifle owner. If anyone ever does try to enter my house illegally, chances are there wont even be a firefight after seeing my AR-15 pointed at them. Pointing a 9MM at a thug who has a 9MM himself, chances are there will be a shootout. Break out the big guns, and the thug will most likely go 'OH sh*t" and run back out of the house.

 

I'm not even reading most of the bullsh*t that I am sure there is in this topic. But to sum up my replies to what I know people have posted:

 

Gun control wont fix nuthin', except make us civilians have to obtain our guns in the same way criminals do, or do without altogether, in which case makes us vulnerable to criminals.

 

People who want gun control are idiots.

 

People who blame anything other than the person firing the gun are idiots. What happened to taking responsibility for ones actions? If the guy had not committed suicide and was still alive, this wouldn't be an issue, as the media would just be going solely after him. But since he's dead, the media and idiots have to put the blame on someone else, which is now legal gun owners.

 

I feel bad for people who live in countries that have gun control, or are just over controlled by government, period.

 

Lastly, why would this delay GTAV? The American public mostly has a short attention span(I'm american), this incident has mostly been forgotten already, if the Government wasnt trying to place more control on us, it wouldnt even be being discussed anymore(not to be disrespectful, but the truth) GTAV isnt set to release for several months, so almost everyone will have forgotten this incident and moved onto the next load of spoonfed bullsh*t from the news.

 

Fuggoff gun control supporters.

Congratulations. I never knew anyone could feel a sense of pride from the simple act of purchasing an object. "Proud gun owner". LOL. It's sad that so many people consider gun ownership a meaningful accomplishment. Also, thanks for continuing to represent the clownish image of the NRA. Lastly, comparing musclecars to guns?

[jpalmer2004]

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

Because they are cool. Why own a muscle car when they are terribly uneconomical and tend to break down in higher horsepower applications. Why not buy a Honda? A 9MM is like a honda, an assault rifle is like a Chevelle. Some people, like myself, like to collect high caliber guns just for the hell of it.

 

Or another reason, just because we can. I, myself, am a proud assault rifle owner. If anyone ever does try to enter my house illegally, chances are there wont even be a firefight after seeing my AR-15 pointed at them. Pointing a 9MM at a thug who has a 9MM himself, chances are there will be a shootout. Break out the big guns, and the thug will most likely go 'OH sh*t" and run back out of the house.

 

I'm not even reading most of the bullsh*t that I am sure there is in this topic. But to sum up my replies to what I know people have posted:

 

Gun control wont fix nuthin', except make us civilians have to obtain our guns in the same way criminals do, or do without altogether, in which case makes us vulnerable to criminals.

 

People who want gun control are idiots.

 

People who blame anything other than the person firing the gun are idiots. What happened to taking responsibility for ones actions? If the guy had not committed suicide and was still alive, this wouldn't be an issue, as the media would just be going solely after him. But since he's dead, the media and idiots have to put the blame on someone else, which is now legal gun owners.

 

I feel bad for people who live in countries that have gun control, or are just over controlled by government, period.

 

Lastly, why would this delay GTAV? The American public mostly has a short attention span(I'm american), this incident has mostly been forgotten already, if the Government wasnt trying to place more control on us, it wouldnt even be being discussed anymore(not to be disrespectful, but the truth) GTAV isnt set to release for several months, so almost everyone will have forgotten this incident and moved onto the next load of spoonfed bullsh*t from the news.

 

Fuggoff gun control supporters.

Congratulations. I never knew anyone could feel a sense of pride from the simple act of purchasing an object. "Proud gun owner". LOL. It's sad that so many people consider gun ownership a meaningful accomplishment. Also, thanks for continuing to represent the clownish image of the NRA. Lastly, comparing musclecars to guns?

Its more then just owning guns. Its pride in ones country. Very few people have pride in their country. They just take advantage of it. and, some are even questioning it as to why we still have it the way it is. Those individuals don't understand it. Its easy to take advantage of something you don't understand. I guess its easy to take advantage of something that has never been taken away from you. Talk to some former soviet republic immigrants who had no way of defending themselves....

 

If I lived in a posh Manhattan apartment and never owned or probably ever touched a gun before. and some guy pulled one on me and pointed it at my face during a hold up. I wouldn't like guns either. That is ignorance. Guns are already banned in NYC..You can't ban them again......

 

I am fortunate to have lived in Texas and Oklahoma. We have an open carry law in Oklahoma. I've personally had to use my gun in self defense. Did I discharge it? No I didn't. The guy decided he wanted to try and rob me in South Dallas. He ended up behind bars instead of me being a victim. I choose not to be a victim...

 

Am I proud to be an owner of a Gun (an object)? You're dang right I am!!

[73duster]

 

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

Because they are cool. Why own a muscle car when they are terribly uneconomical and tend to break down in higher horsepower applications. Why not buy a Honda? A 9MM is like a honda, an assault rifle is like a Chevelle. Some people, like myself, like to collect high caliber guns just for the hell of it.

 

Or another reason, just because we can. I, myself, am a proud assault rifle owner. If anyone ever does try to enter my house illegally, chances are there wont even be a firefight after seeing my AR-15 pointed at them. Pointing a 9MM at a thug who has a 9MM himself, chances are there will be a shootout. Break out the big guns, and the thug will most likely go 'OH sh*t" and run back out of the house.

 

I'm not even reading most of the bullsh*t that I am sure there is in this topic. But to sum up my replies to what I know people have posted:

 

Gun control wont fix nuthin', except make us civilians have to obtain our guns in the same way criminals do, or do without altogether, in which case makes us vulnerable to criminals.

 

People who want gun control are idiots.

 

People who blame anything other than the person firing the gun are idiots. What happened to taking responsibility for ones actions? If the guy had not committed suicide and was still alive, this wouldn't be an issue, as the media would just be going solely after him. But since he's dead, the media and idiots have to put the blame on someone else, which is now legal gun owners.

 

I feel bad for people who live in countries that have gun control, or are just over controlled by government, period.

 

Lastly, why would this delay GTAV? The American public mostly has a short attention span(I'm american), this incident has mostly been forgotten already, if the Government wasnt trying to place more control on us, it wouldnt even be being discussed anymore(not to be disrespectful, but the truth) GTAV isnt set to release for several months, so almost everyone will have forgotten this incident and moved onto the next load of spoonfed bullsh*t from the news.

 

Fuggoff gun control supporters.

Congratulations. I never knew anyone could feel a sense of pride from the simple act of purchasing an object. "Proud gun owner". LOL. It's sad that so many people consider gun ownership a meaningful accomplishment. Also, thanks for continuing to represent the clownish image of the NRA. Lastly, comparing musclecars to guns?

Its more then just owning guns. Its pride in ones country. Very few people have pride in their country. They just take advantage of it. and, some are even questioning it as to why we still have it the way it is. Those individuals don't understand it. Its easy to take advantage of something you don't understand. I guess its easy to take advantage of something that has never been taken away from you. Talk to some former soviet republic immigrants who had no way of defending themselves....

 

If I lived in a posh Manhattan apartment and never owned or probably ever touched a gun before. and some guy pulled one on me and pointed it at my face during a hold up. I wouldn't like guns either. That is ignorance. Guns are already banned in NYC..You can't ban them again......

 

I am fortunate to have lived in Texas and Oklahoma. We have an open carry law in Oklahoma. I've personally had to use my gun in self defense. Did I discharge it? No I didn't. The guy decided he wanted to try and rob me in South Dallas. He ended up behind bars instead of me being a victim. I choose not to be a victim...

 

Am I proud to be an owner of a Gun (an object)? You're dang right I am!!

If you want to make an argument for why owning a gun is so important to you, then i'm OK with listening to a logical opinion. However, i don't see what owning a gun, has to do with being proud to be an american. I'm a proud American, but it's NOT because i can purchase any particular object. There are so many things to be PROUD of, that have nothing to do with material items.

It's sad that so many people consider ownership of an item to be such a big "accomplishment". I'm sick and tired of people claiming that just because we want to have a legitimate DISCUSSION about gun control, means we are any less of an American. We aren't the only free society on the planet, and we could learn something from other free countries that aren't as carefree about having 300 million guns floating around in society.

Obviously, we have a serious problem concerning gun violence. These other free countries don't have this level of gun violence, and they watch the same movies, and play the same games that we do. Instead of just labeling us as "unamerican", or using the old "because i CAN!" logic, why not try to explain why these other societies don't have these problems, when the only real difference between us and them, is our over the top love of guns?

I'm not saying that the ONLY answer is to get rid of ALL guns, but you guys don't even want to accept the POSSIBILITIES of trying something new. Politicians and the NRA are ALREADY turning the blame towards movies and video games. For folks that care so much about their second amendment rights, they are very quick to trample our FIRST amendment rights.

"Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people!". THIS is their mantra. Why aren't they saying "Movies and video games don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people!"?

So go ahead and keep posing with your guns and telling everyone how "proud" you are. I'll pose with my son when he graduates college and attempts to make REAL contributions to society.

Edited January 20, 2013 by 73duster

[AlphaWaveMovement]

 

I have to say I'm not gonna way in on the gun control issue (I'm not American) but thank Christ for Americans like 73duster who actually think and ask the right questions. What makes America different? Its the culture of casual violence is in the very DNA of American society. I'm sure kids in Switzerland play GTA and have a machine guns in the house, but you don't see them gunning down schools and cinemas like its the end of times. Their cultural archetypes are things like the nice personoo clock, the swiss army knife (lol) chocolate ffs!!? The USA? Cowboys, Soldiers, mafios, gangbangers etc all very different with one thing in common- Violence. Americans just need to collectively f*cking relax a bit before they can join the other grown up countries at the table to talk about responsible gun ownership, mental health and the effects of violent computer games on children. Time to come out of this macho adolescent era and into adulthood.

[FAH-Q]

I don't think Burner is who we need to be worried about here.

[Andreas]

This topic would be much less of a pain to read if there would not be any quote trains but it seems that some people are either too lazy or don't know how to remove older quotes. Oh, well...

[BUT THE BENZ]

Haha this thread...'it's more than just owning guns...it's pride in ones country' - L O L

 

[suicidehummer]

Wow, you own an assault rifle because it's "cool"? Way to prove you're way too immature to own that thing. And if you think you and your buddies can take down an oppresive government with a couple AKs, have fun getting your brains blown out by government snipers and sh*t. Seriously, how deluded are you gun nuts?

[73duster]

Wow, you own an assault rifle because it's "cool"? Way to prove you're way too immature to own that thing. And if you think you and your buddies can take down an oppresive government with a couple AKs, have fun getting your brains blown out by government snipers and sh*t. Seriously, how deluded are you gun nuts?

The only reason these NRA nuts are still relevant is because they use scare tactics and anti government propaganda to brainwash people. They think they are special because they can own guns. That picture speaks for itself.

[Exkabewbikadid]

 

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

Because they are cool. Why own a muscle car when they are terribly uneconomical and tend to break down in higher horsepower applications. Why not buy a Honda? A 9MM is like a honda, an assault rifle is like a Chevelle. Some people, like myself, like to collect high caliber guns just for the hell of it.

 

Or another reason, just because we can. I, myself, am a proud assault rifle owner. If anyone ever does try to enter my house illegally, chances are there wont even be a firefight after seeing my AR-15 pointed at them. Pointing a 9MM at a thug who has a 9MM himself, chances are there will be a shootout. Break out the big guns, and the thug will most likely go 'OH sh*t" and run back out of the house.

 

I'm not even reading most of the bullsh*t that I am sure there is in this topic. But to sum up my replies to what I know people have posted:

 

Gun control wont fix nuthin', except make us civilians have to obtain our guns in the same way criminals do, or do without altogether, in which case makes us vulnerable to criminals.

 

People who want gun control are idiots.

 

People who blame anything other than the person firing the gun are idiots. What happened to taking responsibility for ones actions? If the guy had not committed suicide and was still alive, this wouldn't be an issue, as the media would just be going solely after him. But since he's dead, the media and idiots have to put the blame on someone else, which is now legal gun owners.

 

I feel bad for people who live in countries that have gun control, or are just over controlled by government, period.

 

Lastly, why would this delay GTAV? The American public mostly has a short attention span(I'm american), this incident has mostly been forgotten already, if the Government wasnt trying to place more control on us, it wouldnt even be being discussed anymore(not to be disrespectful, but the truth) GTAV isnt set to release for several months, so almost everyone will have forgotten this incident and moved onto the next load of spoonfed bullsh*t from the news.

 

Fuggoff gun control supporters.

Congratulations. I never knew anyone could feel a sense of pride from the simple act of purchasing an object. "Proud gun owner". LOL. It's sad that so many people consider gun ownership a meaningful accomplishment. Also, thanks for continuing to represent the clownish image of the NRA. Lastly, comparing musclecars to guns?

Its more then just owning guns. Its pride in ones country. Very few people have pride in their country. They just take advantage of it. and, some are even questioning it as to why we still have it the way it is. Those individuals don't understand it. Its easy to take advantage of something you don't understand. I guess its easy to take advantage of something that has never been taken away from you. Talk to some former soviet republic immigrants who had no way of defending themselves....

 

If I lived in a posh Manhattan apartment and never owned or probably ever touched a gun before. and some guy pulled one on me and pointed it at my face during a hold up. I wouldn't like guns either. That is ignorance. Guns are already banned in NYC..You can't ban them again......

 

I am fortunate to have lived in Texas and Oklahoma. We have an open carry law in Oklahoma. I've personally had to use my gun in self defense. Did I discharge it? No I didn't. The guy decided he wanted to try and rob me in South Dallas. He ended up behind bars instead of me being a victim. I choose not to be a victim...

 

Am I proud to be an owner of a Gun (an object)? You're dang right I am!!

If you want to make an argument for why owning a gun is so important to you, then i'm OK with listening to a logical opinion. However, i don't see what owning a gun, has to do with being proud to be an american. I'm a proud American, but it's NOT because i can purchase any particular object. There are so many things to be PROUD of, that have nothing to do with material items.

It's sad that so many people consider ownership of an item to be such a big "accomplishment". I'm sick and tired of people claiming that just because we want to have a legitimate DISCUSSION about gun control, means we are any less of an American. We aren't the only free society on the planet, and we could learn something from other free countries that aren't as carefree about having 300 million guns floating around in society.

Obviously, we have a serious problem concerning gun violence. These other free countries don't have this level of gun violence, and they watch the same movies, and play the same games that we do. Instead of just labeling us as "unamerican", or using the old "because i CAN!" logic, why not try to explain why these other societies don't have these problems, when the only real difference between us and them, is our over the top love of guns?

I'm not saying that the ONLY answer is to get rid of ALL guns, but you guys don't even want to accept the POSSIBILITIES of trying something new. Politicians and the NRA are ALREADY turning the blame towards movies and video games. For folks that care so much about their second amendment rights, they are very quick to trample our FIRST amendment rights.

"Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people!". THIS is their mantra. Why aren't they saying "Movies and video games don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people!"?

So go ahead and keep posing with your guns and telling everyone how "proud" you are. I'll pose with my son when he graduates college and attempts to make REAL contributions to society.

You're missing the point entirely. When someone says they're a proud gun owner, they're not simply saying they are proud of owning an object. Owning, firing and maintaining firearms is a legitimate hobby that requires developing skills just like any other hobby such as a musician owning, playing and maintaining an instrument.

 

It seems you want to draw the conclusion that because this hobby has the potential to be lethal, that it likely will. This is terribly flawed logic. While unfortunate accidents do occur, albeit rarely, most adults are sound and intelligent enough to properly handle firearms.

 

Gun control to civilians is like DRM in games to paying customers i.e. they both get screwed over while these measures have little to no impact on criminals and pirates.

[Adriaan]

^

Good point, Xcommunicated. You don't go around blasting vehicle enthusiasts and collectors - even though, in the United States, they result in far more deaths than guns.

[Deffpony]

For me this topic is tough to hold a stance on. My personal opinion is that there is no use for an assault rifle, but at the same time it is important that the military isn't the only one with these weapons.

 

My biggest gripe is that every gun advocate I know in person is just a complete idiot. The typical republican sensationalists that claim Obama is communist.

 

It makes it hard to agree with their opinion when most of their opinions are ridiculous.

 

But if you ask me I think before we regulate guns we need to regulate prescription medication. This country hands out anti depressants for every stupid little reason. Not saying they don't have their uses but I think it's being over prescribed in an attempt for big pharma to make money and doctors to do less work.

[Adriaan]

 

But if you ask me I think before we regulate guns we need to regulate prescription medication. This country hands out anti depressants for every stupid little reason. Not saying they don't have their uses but I think it's being over prescribed in an attempt for big pharma to make money and doctors to do less work.

Mass Murder Pills!

 

But yeah, the medication thing certainly is a problem.

[73duster]

 

^

Good point, Xcommunicated. You don't go around blasting vehicle enthusiasts and collectors - even though, in the United States, they result in far more deaths than guns.

Are you SERIOUSLY comparing collecting cars to owning a gun? Car deaths are either an ACCIDENT or the result of DRUNK DRIVING. Guns are MEANT to kill, cars are MEANT for transportation, and is not anywhere NEAR the same thing. This is one of the most ridiculous comparisons in this thread, in my opinion.

As for the post you are in agreement with, another absurd comparison is made. Comparing guns to musical instruments is beyond ridiculous. He goes on to claim that guns only have the "potential" to be lethal. A gun is meant for only ONE thing. KILLING. Cars and musical instruments don't even belong in this conversation, and only looks like more desperate overeaching.

I've given up, because it doesn't matter to this country as a whole anyway. People will continue to die from gun violence, and we seem to be willing to live with that. Let's see how we feel when these people get away with blaming everything on movies and video games. How many of those people who scream about the 2nd amendment, will feel as strongly about protecting the 1st amendment.

Edited January 20, 2013 by 73duster

[Adriaan]

^

Good point, Xcommunicated. You don't go around blasting vehicle enthusiasts and collectors - even though, in the United States, they result in far more deaths than guns.

Are you SERIOUSLY comparing collecting cars to owning a gun? Car deaths are either an ACCIDENT or the result of DRUNK DRIVING. Guns are MEANT to kill, cars are MEANT for transportation, and is not anywhere NEAR the same thing. This is one of the most ridiculous comparisons in this thread, in my opinion.

You should read the post I was replying to. Xcommunicated's post. It was talking about gun enthusiasts and weapons as a hobby. I was making the comparison to car enthusiasts and weapon enthusiasts.

 

Also, calm down.

[73duster]

^

Good point, Xcommunicated. You don't go around blasting vehicle enthusiasts and collectors - even though, in the United States, they result in far more deaths than guns.

Are you SERIOUSLY comparing collecting cars to owning a gun? Car deaths are either an ACCIDENT or the result of DRUNK DRIVING. Guns are MEANT to kill, cars are MEANT for transportation, and is not anywhere NEAR the same thing. This is one of the most ridiculous comparisons in this thread, in my opinion.

You should read the post I was replying to. Xcommunicated's post. It was talking about gun enthusiasts and weapons as a hobby. I was making the comparison to car enthusiasts and weapon enthusiasts.

 

Also, calm down.

I didn't call you names. I didn't scream or yell. It's not necessary for you to tell me to calm down.

[Adriaan]

Yes, I know. While you didn't have any insulting words (like when you told another member his mother should have had an abortion a few weeks ago), you do have a bit of a temper. That post, with the capitalized words, as well as other posts of yours in this thread, does come off with a bit of a temper. It's better to have a cival discussion.

 

Also, as for "I didn't yell". Just a little tip on internet etiquette that capitalizing words throughout your post as you did does come off as kind of yelling...

[Magic_Al]

^

Good point, Xcommunicated. You don't go around blasting vehicle enthusiasts and collectors - even though, in the United States, they result in far more deaths than guns.

Are you SERIOUSLY comparing collecting cars to owning a gun? Car deaths are either an ACCIDENT or the result of DRUNK DRIVING. Guns are MEANT to kill, cars are MEANT for transportation, and is not anywhere NEAR the same thing. This is one of the most ridiculous comparisons in this thread, in my opinion.

It's also kind of ridiculous when moral panics seize the nation about things that cause fewer deaths than other things we take no action on, as though people dying for an outrageous reason justifies more discussion, compromise, and investment in prevention than putting the same effort into mitigating a larger cause of preventable death that caused more people to be no longer with us. If there's a general goal to save as many lives as possible, this is illogical.

 

But, in fact, vehicles no longer cause "far more" deaths than guns. They did, but vehicles have gotten much safer and it's harder to die in one. In 2011 there were 32,367 motor vehicle deaths in the U.S. This is an extraordinary generational decrease: in 1971 it was 52,627 deaths with the U.S. population less than 2/3 what it is now. There were 31,940 gun-related deaths in the U.S. in 2011 according to the CDC, and the number increased. It's valid to point out that nearly as many people are dead because of both things and many of those deaths are preventable.

 

I personally find it odd that we find intentional death so much more outrageous than accidental death that we will take costly, often irrelevant steps to fight intentional death that may save fewer lives than if we put the same added effort into car safety or food safety or health care. (For example, the TSA spending billions making already extraordinarily safe flying more unpleasant for an increase in safety that can't be measured because it was already safer than literally any other daily activity.)

 

The only explanation is that hate is more powerful than love, and hate of an enemy motivates us more than actually feeling a loss when people die for whatever reason. The fact video games are even in the discussion is because it's ideas and ideology rather than anything actually gained or lost in life that causes feelings.

[mmmfloorpie]

 

^

Good point, Xcommunicated. You don't go around blasting vehicle enthusiasts and collectors - even though, in the United States, they result in far more deaths than guns.

Are you SERIOUSLY comparing collecting cars to owning a gun? Car deaths are either an ACCIDENT or the result of DRUNK DRIVING. Guns are MEANT to kill, cars are MEANT for transportation, and is not anywhere NEAR the same thing. This is one of the most ridiculous comparisons in this thread, in my opinion.

It's also kind of ridiculous when moral panics seize the nation about things that cause fewer deaths than other things we take no action on, as though people dying for an outrageous reason justifies more discussion, compromise, and investment in prevention than putting the same effort into mitigating a larger cause of preventable death that caused more people to be no longer with us. If there's a general goal to save as many lives as possible, this is illogical.

 

But, in fact, vehicles no longer cause "far more" deaths than guns. They did, but vehicles have gotten much safer and it's harder to die in one. In 2011 there were 32,367 motor vehicle deaths in the U.S. This is an extraordinary generational decrease: in 1971 it was 52,627 deaths with the U.S. population less than 2/3 what it is now. There were 31,940 gun-related deaths in the U.S. in 2011 according to the CDC, and the number increased. It's valid to point out that nearly as many people are dead because of both things and many of those deaths are preventable.

 

I personally find it odd that we find intentional death so much more outrageous than accidental death that we will take costly, often irrelevant steps to fight intentional death that may save fewer lives than if we put the same added effort into car safety or food safety or health care. (For example, the TSA spending billions making already extraordinarily safe flying more unpleasant for an increase in safety that can't be measured because it was already safer than literally any other daily activity.)

 

The only explanation is that hate is more powerful than love, and hate of an enemy motivates us more than actually feeling a loss when people die for whatever reason. The fact video games are even in the discussion is because it's ideas and ideology rather than anything actually gained or lost in life that causes feelings.

So you can't see the difference between sitting in a movie theatre, enjoying a new blockbuster and then getting shot in the head by a lunatic with an AR-15 and 100 round drum magazine and someone say going too fast around a corner and ramming into a telephone pole, or hitting a patch of black ice and rolling over there car?

 

I am so sick of all the false equivalences and straw man arguments that gun nuts try to advance.

 

On a side note, I think it is stupid to blame Hollywood and video games over any kind of responsible gun violence prevention legislation like Wayne Lapierre and the NRA are currently trying to do.

[73duster]

 

Yes, I know. While you didn't have any insulting words (like when you told another member his mother should have had an abortion a few weeks ago), you do have a bit of a temper. That post, with the capitalized words, as well as other posts of yours in this thread, does come off with a bit of a temper. It's better to have a cival discussion.

 

Also, as for "I didn't yell". Just a little tip on internet etiquette that capitalizing words throughout your post as you did does come off as kind of yelling...

I apologize if my earlier statement came off as yelling. I do not apologize for what i said about that troll. He has said many things to me that were disrespectful, and constantly derails threads on purpose. For the record, i didn't say what you said i said. I said that i bet they regret not getting an abortion.

 

user warned for still "constantly derailing threads on purpose"

Edited January 21, 2013 by Adriaan

[Ex Hellraiser]

This chart shows violent crimes among teenagers.

 

Violent crimes are going down, even though there are more people, and more violent video games.

 

Any politician who says that violent crime and violent games are correlated *cough*HilaryClinton*cough* are full of sh*t.

 

Same as saying that guns and violent crimes are correlated *cough*Obama*cough* are full of sh*t as well.

 

The correlation is between mental cases getting their hands on guns and violent games. Yet no one inside Washington feels the need to address that issue, as they need something better to blame than the person that did the crime.

 

Ultimately, people will immediately turn to GTA V when it comes out, and they will ultimately be shot down by the overwhelming evidence against them. Yes, there isn't a whole lot of evidence, and these kinds of games have only existed for the last 18-20 years, but the evidence that is there is very strongly supporting video games.

[Ben73]

Mercia should have more gun control probably, but GTA is just a game and shouldnt be affected by this.

[Mister Pink]

I think they should relabel guns in the USA to Killing Machines. Might make people think about them in a different like.

 

"So you are a applying for a Killing Machine. And why may I ask, sir?"

 

[Burner]

73duster: Too immature to own it? I've owned the thing for five years, and I've only used it once at a legal gun range. And, yes, it is a 'cool' gun, versus a run of the mill .38 revolver. In the same sense a Chevelle is a 'cool' car, versus some random Toyota Corolla.

 

And, yup, I absolutely compare guns to cars when speaking in terms collecting. I can compare it to anything people collect and take care of. Every hobby has items that are harder to come by, more desirable than others, more expensive, and in every hobby, those items must be maintained. And in obtaining and maintaining the more desirable, expensive, harder to get items, does make you a proud owner of it, regardless of what hobby you partake in. Now that particular gun isn't exactly that rare, but was expensive, and since I worked hard for the money to buy it, and have taken responsibility for taking care of it I am proud to own it. I am proud of my country, not necessarily for the things it's doing, it's leaders, or where it's going. But for the time being, the rights that I still have and that people on the other side of Washington who are still fighting to keep from over regulating people such as yourself.

 

You shouldn't be going after gun hobbyists like myself in your posts, 99% of the people in America that have assault rifles or just big silly guns like that, buy them just to have, not to use. I have many that have never even been fired. Most criminals can't even get guns like that, as they are too expensive and not readily available to them. So banning those high caliber weapons soley still won't help anything.

 

And banning guns altogether won't do anything. People who are sick and want to be violent will always find a way to do so. Someone could just as easily still a trash truck and run it through a crowd, or set fires to buildings with people in it.

 

 

FYI. Full auto weapons are illegal anyways, unless you pay the yearly fees of the license to own them, in which case, every full auto weapon you own is put into an FBI database and they can come to your door at any moment to check and make sure you still own every one, to make sure that you are not purchasing them for the purposes of resaleing to criminals. And the license isn't really cheap, so anyone with that pays for the license and has the money to buy the weapons aren't the problem.

 

So, to reiterate my last post: Fuggoff idiot.

[73duster]

 

73duster: Too immature to own it? I've owned the thing for five years, and I've only used it once at a legal gun range. And, yes, it is a 'cool' gun, versus a run of the mill .38 revolver. In the same sense a Chevelle is a 'cool' car, versus some random Toyota Corolla.

 

And, yup, I absolutely compare guns to cars when speaking in terms collecting. I can compare it to anything people collect and take care of. Every hobby has items that are harder to come by, more desirable than others, more expensive, and in every hobby, those items must be maintained. And in obtaining and maintaining the more desirable, expensive, harder to get items, does make you a proud owner of it, regardless of what hobby you partake in.  Now that particular gun isn't exactly that rare, but was expensive, and since I worked hard for the money to buy it, and have taken responsibility for taking care of it I am proud to own it. I am proud of my country, not necessarily for the things it's doing, it's leaders, or where it's going. But for the time being, the rights that I still have and that people on the other side of Washington who are still fighting to keep from over regulating people such as yourself.

 

You shouldn't be going after gun hobbyists like myself in your posts, 99% of the people in America that have assault rifles or just big silly guns like that, buy them just to have, not to use. I have many that have never even been fired. Most criminals can't even get guns like that, as they are too expensive and not readily available to them. So banning those high caliber weapons soley still won't help anything.

 

And banning guns altogether won't do anything. People who are sick and want to be violent will always find a way to do so. Someone could just as easily still a trash truck and run it through a crowd, or set fires to buildings with people in it.

 

 

FYI. Full auto weapons are illegal anyways, unless you pay the yearly fees of the license to own them, in which case, every full auto weapon you own is put into an FBI database and they can come to your door at any moment to check and make sure you still own every one, to make sure that you are not purchasing them for the purposes of resaleing to criminals. And the license isn't really cheap, so anyone with that pays for the license and has the money to buy the weapons aren't the problem.

 

So, to reiterate my last post: Fuggoff idiot.

The intended purpose of a gun is to KILL. The intended purpose of a car is for TRANSPORTATION. The fact that people collect BOTH doesn't mean it's a sensible comparison. As for telling me to "fugoff idiot.", i doubt you will receive the same verbal warning I received, but perhaps if you guys didn't always resort to such a reaction from anyone DARING to mention the slightest bit of conversation towards any type of gun control, you might get people to listen to your side of things.

You guys always refuse to even acknowledge that there is any problem at all.

I've been verbally warned, and accused of "derailing threads". Nowhere in this thread have i "derailed" anything. My point has remained that the NRA, as well as gun supporters are pointing the finger at hollywood and video games as a major cause of gun violence in America. This thread is clearly about american gun control and GTAV. My opinions have a direct corralation to that, whether you agree with that or not. Disagreeing with me is one thing, but accusing me of derailing is another. I wouldn't want to be a part of a forum where this kind of BS is commonplace anyway, so ADRIANN, if you want to permanently ban me, go right ahead. I know you are a mod, but you are WRONG in this instance. I'll be the first to admit that i've lost my temper on occasion, but i'm nowhere near as bad as others, and certainly aren't even in the same ballpark as that troll you find so amusing. Apparently he's the type of member you want, so have at it.

Later friends.

Edited January 21, 2013 by 73duster