American Gun Control discussion and GTA V

[Staten]

Guns are a good thing. They save lives

Apart from those kids who got shot. Guns did the opposite to saving lives in that situation.

[FAH-Q]

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

[Stephan90]

In my opinion the whole gun discussion is a bit senseless. There are estimated over 310 million guns in America. (excluding the military) So everyone who really wants a gun badly will get it, even in hundreds of years.

[blakeney]

I think the severe lack of info pre release will help idiots complaining about the game before its even out.... and with a big % of players that will get it day one.. they can ban/change it all they like after day/week/month1... it will hardly matter.

[73duster]

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

Very hateful and ignorant aren't ya? I am a Republican and a very proud and American gun owner and boy oh boy is this a sh*tload of bullsh*t.

 

Republican's have never once tried to destroy the 1st amendment, EVER! Where you got this information is a bit concerning because it means they are spreading lies about a political party.

 

Republican's interfering with Abortion laws? What the f*ck do you expect? It's a very sensitive matter.

Trying to stop women from earning equal pay as men? That's a load of bullsh*t

Racist attacks on the president? So now that he is black it's a concern but back when blacks were calling Bush a "Dumbass honkey" that wasn't racism just freedom of speech right?

Obama isn't American. It took him three years to show his birth certificate and an OFFICIAL inspectors of those damn things called it fake.

"The allegiance to the 1%" I'm going to ignore this as you seem to forgot what Republicans are

"Destroying unions across the nation" Ahh, I'm sorry. Even democrats do this. Try again

 

The last bit is impossible to address as it's clear you don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and constantly contradict yourself.

 

 

" When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's...The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today."

 

Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments.

 

Democrats everyone, democrats

Typical republican response. You couldn't even DENY one of my statements, and instead chose to dumb down the conversation by using the same doubletalk we hear every day from republicans. Democrats aren't much better either, so i'm not taking one side over the other. I simply brought up common known FACTS about what's going on in government.

Republicans and the NRA are TOGETHER in their ignorance about violence in american society. People have been getting murdered in america for decades, and we are the only country that has such a widespread problem with gun violence at this level.

Other civilized countries ALL watch the same movies, and play the same video games WE do, and don't have such violence associated with guns. Taking my statement about how the constitution was meant to be representative of the times, and sparsing it into simple talk like "Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments."

You don't know how to read. That's NOT what i was saying, but it won't matter to you, because you will only come back spouting the same right wing garbage that you've been fed your whole life.

Good day to you, and keep being "proud" of being a gun owner! Apparently that counts as an accomplishment in your world.

I own a pair of sneakers, but i don't feel any sense of pride about being a "sneaker owner!".

[canadian_wakenbacon]

 

After all the recent school shootings i won't be surprised if some politician stands up to ask for a ban on violent video games.

The U.S. Supreme Court last year ruled against a law in California that wanted to ban the sale of violent video games to minors. The constitution protects the sale of video games, and other forms of art and entertainment, through the First Amendment.

 

There simply is no legal backing behind banning violent video games, at all. It didn't happen with films, and it won't happen with video games. While they may be different in how you interact with these two different forms of entertainment, their development and sale is constitutionally protected within the United States.

 

 

As for press coverage, the Grand Theft Auto games have always had a lot of press coverage and attention from politicians. Before the very first GTA was sold, MPs in the UK Parliament were already talking about (and those recordings were used to advertise the game on the radio).

 

Ultimately, as for the question, "Will this affect the release of GTAV?". The answer is no in that it won't be different from any other GTA release.

 

You'll get the usual Glenn Becks talking about it, but this is the norm.

LOLOLOL

 

Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly and that other f*ckface I don't really care about. These people will have a field day but it's always fun to watch opinionated pundits spewing crap as facts. Their will always be these kinds of people and they will always be on FOX NEWS hahaha. I think GTA V will differ from previous GTA games in the sense that this game really does have an artistic aspect to it. From what we've seen so far, this game looks absolutely stunning visually and that in itself, is a form of art protected by the 1st amendment.

 

 

What's really sad is how GTA usually gets all the heat for mass shootings and gun violence. There are many mass shooting in many countries where GTA is sold and those people seem smart enough to know GTA has nofinggggg to do with it. LOL you Americans can thank the NRA, GOA etc......

 

GTA V has become more then a "murder simulator", it's part of our video game culture, an iconic name and brand that has evolved with the times and sets the standard for the industry. Just ignore the right-winged christian extremist, they cannot blame themselves so they point the finger. Well, here's my finger, you know which one I'm talking about

 

 

Thx for the insight Adj.

 

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psn id: trojan_killa

[Polenz357]

This is a GTA V forum and you are talking about Republicans and Democrats? Just stop it! A bunch of guys fighting over lies and propaganda and some foreigners bragging about how good their countries are. Owning guns in a right in the USA and we must respect it, even though we may consider the fact that Society and Law are necessary, we as individuals, must mantain the right to protect ourselves from any source, be it criminals, police or military (sometimes they get mixed up!).

 

Where I live, I am affraid of going out because there are gypsies, Cape Verdeans, Angolans and Portuguese trash patrolling the streets looking for someone to mug. This is how my Socialist society works! I work, I pay my taxes, the government gives them money out of my taxes, they get free houses (better than mine actually) and still.... mug me! At some point we must understand that "conforming" is not the answer. I live in a country where any criminal can get a gun, rob you, commit a murder and probably get away with it (our Law system is terrible, 25 years is the maximum penalty so if you kill 1 or 1000 you get the same penalty). I should have the right to own a gun to protect me and be helped if I do have to shoot someone in self-defense (in Portugal you are more like to be sent to jail for shooting someone in self-defense than for shooting someone in a robbery with an illegal weapon). I do not mean M4's and Rocket Launchers, but I should have the right to have a firearm and protect me and my family from danger.

 

As to the topic itself, I can't think of how dumb people must be to think that videogames can influence you to commit awful crime. You can suffer from a mental disorder, be bullied at school, have to much pressure from your parents that by the way are always fighting, you can have an alcoholic violent father and a distant depressive mother, no friends, no money, a country at war, a corrupt government and a bankrupt economy.... but the thing that really made you kill all those people was a violent video game! For God's sake, its like blaming Sri Lanka for WWII! Get a life you square minded politicians!

[73duster]

^^This thread is about AMERICAN GUN CONTROL. You CANNOT have a valid discussion about gun control in America, without discussing politics. The NRA is the central player in the policies that government puts forth. The predictable blaming of the media, entertainment industry and video games, is a DIRECT result of politicians and the NRA shifting the focus away from themselves.

Until everyone accepts that having 300 million guns in a country with 300 million people is a PROBLEM, this will continue to be a problem. Unless you think that there really ARE 300 million "hunters" in this country.

[Andreas]

 

People have been getting murdered in america for decades, and we are the only country that has such a widespread problem with gun violence at this level.

It is well known that gun violence is a big problem in America and honestly, I am not surprised about it. According to a statistic from Small Arms Survey, 88 from 100 people in the USA own guns. I have watched numerous documentations on TV the past years and all of them showed that US citizens learn already in the childhood how to handle guns of all types, be it pistoles, shotguns, assault rifles, et cetera. Though president Barack Obama urges action against gun violence, I doubt that anything would change anytime soon. If people want to get guns, they will get it and it does not matter if it's legal or illegal. Something must happen but it is a risky and it seems that there is no permanent solution for the problem. Banning guns is not a solution because if the criminal rate is high which is the case in for example the USA, then you would buy guns for self-defense. There are a lot of things that needs to be taken into account.

 

 

Do you guys think the recent discussion on Gun Control in the United States will affect the release of GTA V.

How do you think the American press will respond to this game when it comes out?

Do you think parents will be influenced by the press and forbid their kids to buy this game?

Personally, I do not think that the recent discussions and receivables would have any affect on GTA V. Grand Theft Auto is a mature rated game and the ago group you are talking about usually should not play such games although my parents bought videogames that contained violence for me, e.g. GTA, COD and so when I was younger. I would say that the majority of customers who buy GTA are adult so that should not have an impact any ways. How do you think should this have an impact with videogames, specifically with GTA V?

Edited January 19, 2013 by Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian

[Ana Belial]

Guns are pretty cool. I have a few of my own, they're fun to shoot at the range and occasionally hunt.

 

But if someone tries to break into my house with the intend to steal or harm, they'll get a 12 gauge buckshot to the chest.

[johnny_zoo]

Sorry if this topic is already discussed here, i did a quick search, didn't find anything related.

 

Do you guys think the recent discussion on Gun Control in the United States will affect the release of GTA V.

How do you think the American press will respond to this game when it comes out?

Do you think parents will be influenced by the press and forbid their kids to buy this game?

 

1) Not at all. I think videogames do have an impact on young people and I think more so than films in a way because in games they put you in the role of the hero or antagonist with a gun and it allows you more freedom to perform your desires and actions that you wouldn't do in real life. Playing violent videogames can be like an emotional outlet for people that are angry or want to get away from the world.

 

Anyway GTAV will release and no amount of bad coverage will detract from its sales. The only way I can see V doing remotely poorly on sales is if there is another US Massacre near the day of release and the killer says he loved GTA as a kid.

 

 

2)Negatively. Fox will slam it on release day for sure I remember when IV released Fox News were talking about the affect on young people of this game. I give it two weeks max and they will forget about it. Unless there is another US shooting of course. Why dont the media slam games like Halo and CoD for inciting violence? Seems like GTA is picked on unfairly sometimes. When was the last time

 

 

3)If they care about their kids yes. Most parents don't care giving into your kids means less of a headache than you would get if you are denying them their wants/desires days.

Edited January 19, 2013 by johnny_zoo

[73duster]

The only logical way to start getting to the root of the problem is to examine what REALLY makes us different from other free societies. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but it seems to me that one of the only true differences between America, and the rest of the the planet, is our belief that MORE guns in society is a GOOD thing.

We watch the SAME movies, play the same games, and share the same conditions of having poverty, as well as mentally unstable people who live amongst us. ALL free countries who are part of modern society have all of these things in common, except that they DON'T have the same level of gun violence. This is a FACT.

Instead of admitting that the only noticeable difference is that WE, as Americans, have an unhealthy need to own guns, and instead continue to misinterpret an outdated part of the constitution. You must be willing to adapt to modern times, or get left behind.

We refuse to follow the lead of other free societies who aren't as fanatical about guns. We continue to exhibit arrogance by refusing to acknowledge that MAYBE we COULD learn something from other countries. If you try to bring this up, you get labeled as "unamerican", or not "patriotic". How dare anyone suggest that someone else is doing something better?

We continue getting the same old tired argument about "hunting" and "protection". In the days of the old wild west, all you had was a sheriff, and a couple of deputies watching over an entire town. We no longer live in such a world, hence my earlier statements about the second amendment that was attacked as being "retarded". As americans, our stubborn refusal to be honest about our ridiculous affinity to OWN guns is a major problem, and as long as we let people steer the stubject into blaming movies and games, NOTHING will ever change.

For the record, i'm not saying i know what we SHOULD do, except that we are the ONLY nation in the world that finds it acceptable that this level of violence is just the way things are.

[Shane_Dbns]

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

[73duster]

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

Great question. Don't expect a straight answer from any NRA affiliated "proud" gun owner.

[hinti21]

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

Great question. Don't expect a straight answer from any NRA affiliated "proud" gun owner.

I have a question: If you make a fist with your left hand and you take your right forefinger deep throat, there's no gag reflex (odesn't work the other way round)!! Why the f*ck is that??

[inflamedeyeball]

Still don't know why people in america need AK-47s and those other Assult rifles. I can understand keeping a nine for protection but an Assult Rifle? What do you need it for?

For protection. Against people with assault rifles.

 

This is what the whole thing boils down to every time I read another one of these lengthy discussions. It's circular reasoning at its finest. That, and the second amendment argument.

[Darth_Starkiller]

 

Well put it this way, any interiors based on universities and high school campuses will more than likely be removed or changed to other buildings.

 

The same as the 9/11 impacted the final product of GTA 3

 

As crazy as it is, I don't think Rockstar would even consider putting any interior like this, so they wouldn't need to remove it. I mean, not after III.

Also, 9/11 didn't actually have that impact in III, it's all bullsh*t. The only thing that may have been removed is some building which looked like WTC.

Edited January 19, 2013 by Darth_Starkiller

[Colonel Dre]

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

Very hateful and ignorant aren't ya? I am a Republican and a very proud and American gun owner and boy oh boy is this a sh*tload of bullsh*t.

 

Republican's have never once tried to destroy the 1st amendment, EVER! Where you got this information is a bit concerning because it means they are spreading lies about a political party.

 

Republican's interfering with Abortion laws? What the f*ck do you expect? It's a very sensitive matter.

Trying to stop women from earning equal pay as men? That's a load of bullsh*t

Racist attacks on the president? So now that he is black it's a concern but back when blacks were calling Bush a "Dumbass honkey" that wasn't racism just freedom of speech right?

Obama isn't American. It took him three years to show his birth certificate and an OFFICIAL inspectors of those damn things called it fake.

"The allegiance to the 1%" I'm going to ignore this as you seem to forgot what Republicans are

"Destroying unions across the nation" Ahh, I'm sorry. Even democrats do this. Try again

 

The last bit is impossible to address as it's clear you don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and constantly contradict yourself.

 

 

" When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's...The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today."

 

Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments.

 

Democrats everyone, democrats

Typical republican response. You couldn't even DENY one of my statements, and instead chose to dumb down the conversation by using the same doubletalk we hear every day from republicans. Democrats aren't much better either, so i'm not taking one side over the other. I simply brought up common known FACTS about what's going on in government.

Republicans and the NRA are TOGETHER in their ignorance about violence in american society. People have been getting murdered in america for decades, and we are the only country that has such a widespread problem with gun violence at this level.

Other civilized countries ALL watch the same movies, and play the same video games WE do, and don't have such violence associated with guns. Taking my statement about how the constitution was meant to be representative of the times, and sparsing it into simple talk like "Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments."

You don't know how to read. That's NOT what i was saying, but it won't matter to you, because you will only come back spouting the same right wing garbage that you've been fed your whole life.

Good day to you, and keep being "proud" of being a gun owner! Apparently that counts as an accomplishment in your world.

I own a pair of sneakers, but i don't feel any sense of pride about being a "sneaker owner!".

Haha, I can read. Unlike you I'm not a weed smoking hippie that believe guns are bad.

 

You're a very ignorant person and attempting to argue with you would be impossible. So I'm just gonna leave it at this

 

Guns don't kill people, not once has any of my guns got out of it's locker by itself and go on a killing spree. No, people who have no respect for the weapon, like you, kill people. Guns are not the problem, it's the fact that 50% of the users have no respect for the weapons and see them only as a way to kill and rob.

 

So maybe it's not the guns, videos game or movies. Maybe it's the terrible schools and healthcare system.

[azali10]

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

Very hateful and ignorant aren't ya? I am a Republican and a very proud and American gun owner and boy oh boy is this a sh*tload of bullsh*t.

 

Republican's have never once tried to destroy the 1st amendment, EVER! Where you got this information is a bit concerning because it means they are spreading lies about a political party.

 

Republican's interfering with Abortion laws? What the f*ck do you expect? It's a very sensitive matter.

Trying to stop women from earning equal pay as men? That's a load of bullsh*t

Racist attacks on the president? So now that he is black it's a concern but back when blacks were calling Bush a "Dumbass honkey" that wasn't racism just freedom of speech right?

Obama isn't American. It took him three years to show his birth certificate and an OFFICIAL inspectors of those damn things called it fake.

"The allegiance to the 1%" I'm going to ignore this as you seem to forgot what Republicans are

"Destroying unions across the nation" Ahh, I'm sorry. Even democrats do this. Try again

 

The last bit is impossible to address as it's clear you don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and constantly contradict yourself.

 

 

" When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's...The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today."

 

Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments.

 

Democrats everyone, democrats

Typical republican response. You couldn't even DENY one of my statements, and instead chose to dumb down the conversation by using the same doubletalk we hear every day from republicans. Democrats aren't much better either, so i'm not taking one side over the other. I simply brought up common known FACTS about what's going on in government.

Republicans and the NRA are TOGETHER in their ignorance about violence in american society. People have been getting murdered in america for decades, and we are the only country that has such a widespread problem with gun violence at this level.

Other civilized countries ALL watch the same movies, and play the same video games WE do, and don't have such violence associated with guns. Taking my statement about how the constitution was meant to be representative of the times, and sparsing it into simple talk like "Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments."

You don't know how to read. That's NOT what i was saying, but it won't matter to you, because you will only come back spouting the same right wing garbage that you've been fed your whole life.

Good day to you, and keep being "proud" of being a gun owner! Apparently that counts as an accomplishment in your world.

I own a pair of sneakers, but i don't feel any sense of pride about being a "sneaker owner!".

Haha, I can read. Unlike you I'm not a weed smoking hippie that believe guns are bad.

 

You're a very ignorant person and attempting to argue with you would be impossible. So I'm just gonna leave it at this

 

Guns don't kill people, not once has any of my guns got out of it's locker by itself and go on a killing spree. No, people who have no respect for the weapon, like you, kill people. Guns are not the problem, it's the fact that 50% of the users have no respect for the weapons and see them only as a way to kill and rob.

 

So maybe it's not the guns, videos game or movies. Maybe it's the terrible schools and healthcare system.

See this is what is wrong with some people. You deal in extremes. Someone who thinks guns are bad is apparently a weed smoking hippie, no middle ground. And of course on the other side are the people who think anyone who owns a gun is sick, violent, redneck, etc. Again with no middle ground. All of you should shut the f*ck up. This topic doesn't really belong here.

[canadian_wakenbacon]

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

Very hateful and ignorant aren't ya? I am a Republican and a very proud and American gun owner and boy oh boy is this a sh*tload of bullsh*t.

 

Republican's have never once tried to destroy the 1st amendment, EVER! Where you got this information is a bit concerning because it means they are spreading lies about a political party.

 

Republican's interfering with Abortion laws? What the f*ck do you expect? It's a very sensitive matter.

Trying to stop women from earning equal pay as men? That's a load of bullsh*t

Racist attacks on the president? So now that he is black it's a concern but back when blacks were calling Bush a "Dumbass honkey" that wasn't racism just freedom of speech right?

Obama isn't American. It took him three years to show his birth certificate and an OFFICIAL inspectors of those damn things called it fake.

"The allegiance to the 1%" I'm going to ignore this as you seem to forgot what Republicans are

"Destroying unions across the nation" Ahh, I'm sorry. Even democrats do this. Try again

 

The last bit is impossible to address as it's clear you don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and constantly contradict yourself.

 

 

" When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's...The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today."

 

Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments.

 

Democrats everyone, democrats

Typical republican response. You couldn't even DENY one of my statements, and instead chose to dumb down the conversation by using the same doubletalk we hear every day from republicans. Democrats aren't much better either, so i'm not taking one side over the other. I simply brought up common known FACTS about what's going on in government.

Republicans and the NRA are TOGETHER in their ignorance about violence in american society. People have been getting murdered in america for decades, and we are the only country that has such a widespread problem with gun violence at this level.

Other civilized countries ALL watch the same movies, and play the same video games WE do, and don't have such violence associated with guns. Taking my statement about how the constitution was meant to be representative of the times, and sparsing it into simple talk like "Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments."

You don't know how to read. That's NOT what i was saying, but it won't matter to you, because you will only come back spouting the same right wing garbage that you've been fed your whole life.

Good day to you, and keep being "proud" of being a gun owner! Apparently that counts as an accomplishment in your world.

I own a pair of sneakers, but i don't feel any sense of pride about being a "sneaker owner!".

Haha, I can read. Unlike you I'm not a weed smoking hippie that believe guns are bad.

 

You're a very ignorant person and attempting to argue with you would be impossible. So I'm just gonna leave it at this

 

Guns don't kill people, not once has any of my guns got out of it's locker by itself and go on a killing spree. No, people who have no respect for the weapon, like you, kill people. Guns are not the problem, it's the fact that 50% of the users have no respect for the weapons and see them only as a way to kill and rob.

 

So maybe it's not the guns, videos game or movies. Maybe it's the terrible schools and healthcare system.

See this is what is wrong with some people. You deal in extremes. Someone who thinks guns are bad is apparently a weed smoking hippie, no middle ground. And of course on the other side are the people who think anyone who owns a gun is sick, violent, redneck, etc. Again with no middle ground. All of you should shut the f*ck up. This topic doesn't really belong here.

OHH CANAADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[doubled]

I created this thread to find out how the "gun control discussion" might influence the release of GTA V, too bad it's turning into a political discussion where people are trying to push their beliefs down the throat of others...

 

I understand it is tempting to express your opinion on the gun control discussion itself, but that's not why i created this thread. This also isn't the right forum to discuss the gun control discussion itself, it's a GTA forum remember?

 

Can we please get back to discussing how the gun control discussion MIGHT INFLUENCE THE RELEASE OF GTA V.

 

Will the gun control discussion affect the release of GTA in any way?

How will the media respond?

Will parents be influenced by a biased media response and not let their kids buy GTA V?

Edited January 19, 2013 by doubled

[BUT THE BENZ]

Can we please get back to discussing how the gun control discussion MIGHT INFLUENCE THE RELEASE OF GTA V.

 

It won't have any effect. Happy now?

[ZeeKid2k10]

 

 

 

Grand Theft Auto IV - Liberty City Gun Club

[jimbo_gee]

Quite frankly, the press can go and f*ck themselves I don't care what they think. Secondly, If your a parent buying 18 rated games for your under age child then you don't get to complain about violence in video games.

[Death_Blade]

It could potentially delay the game or cause problems. Any time a great tragedy happens, our government takes advantage of the situation to push their own agenda. It goes for both parties as we've now seen. Its a simple fact. After they attacked guns, they attacked the entertainment industry. The only thing that will come out of this will be more regulations, more control, and more bullsh*t. Thats why people here want to hold on to their guns. They're sick of every aspect of their lives being controlled in some way. The more control we have in this country, the worse it gets, plain and simple. Statistics have even proved it. The country was founded on personal freedom, which we're losing. I dont understand why this is so hard to see. But then again, most people here are extremely f*cked up in the head and have all kinds of ridiculous ideas about politics and how life should be handled. Though I think its hilarious how people who value freedom are labeled as "crazy" or "conspiracy theorists" by people brainwashed by socialism. Then again, people who think the constitution is out dated never understood it in the first place anyway.

 

Like I said before, it all boils down to more control. I'm sure the game wont be cancelled by any means, but I wouldnt be surprised if theres stricter laws on rating systems now. They'll probably do the same sh*t they did with guns. Instead of outright banning them, they're simply making them so difficult to buy, its almost impossible. If anything happens with the entertainment industry, it will be the same deal. There will be so much censorship and so many regulations regarding violent entertainment that it will no longer be profitable by industries to make, thus forcing them into making some other bullsh*t. It all boils down to profits. Some sh*tty corporation profiting at everyone elses expense.

 

The most I'd expect is a delay, simply because they may have to remove content from the game depending on what new laws may or may not be written. There WERE changes in GTA 3 due to 9/11, but they were minor. The police car skin is the only thing that comes to mind. However this is a different situation that is being exploited to directly target this type of industry, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Edited January 20, 2013 by Death_Blade

[YoungChrist]

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

Very hateful and ignorant aren't ya? I am a Republican and a very proud and American gun owner and boy oh boy is this a sh*tload of bullsh*t.

 

Republican's have never once tried to destroy the 1st amendment, EVER! Where you got this information is a bit concerning because it means they are spreading lies about a political party.

 

Republican's interfering with Abortion laws? What the f*ck do you expect? It's a very sensitive matter.

Trying to stop women from earning equal pay as men? That's a load of bullsh*t

Racist attacks on the president? So now that he is black it's a concern but back when blacks were calling Bush a "Dumbass honkey" that wasn't racism just freedom of speech right?

Obama isn't American. It took him three years to show his birth certificate and an OFFICIAL inspectors of those damn things called it fake.

"The allegiance to the 1%" I'm going to ignore this as you seem to forgot what Republicans are

"Destroying unions across the nation" Ahh, I'm sorry. Even democrats do this. Try again

 

The last bit is impossible to address as it's clear you don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and constantly contradict yourself.

 

 

" When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's...The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today."

 

Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments.

 

Democrats everyone, democrats

Typical republican response. You couldn't even DENY one of my statements, and instead chose to dumb down the conversation by using the same doubletalk we hear every day from republicans. Democrats aren't much better either, so i'm not taking one side over the other. I simply brought up common known FACTS about what's going on in government.

Republicans and the NRA are TOGETHER in their ignorance about violence in american society. People have been getting murdered in america for decades, and we are the only country that has such a widespread problem with gun violence at this level.

Other civilized countries ALL watch the same movies, and play the same video games WE do, and don't have such violence associated with guns. Taking my statement about how the constitution was meant to be representative of the times, and sparsing it into simple talk like "Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments."

You don't know how to read. That's NOT what i was saying, but it won't matter to you, because you will only come back spouting the same right wing garbage that you've been fed your whole life.

Good day to you, and keep being "proud" of being a gun owner! Apparently that counts as an accomplishment in your world.

I own a pair of sneakers, but i don't feel any sense of pride about being a "sneaker owner!".

You guys actually created a political arguement on a GTA V forum There are ridiculous statements and fallacies on both sides.... just more so from the conservative side. Just accept it and move on.

[YoungChrist]

 

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

Very hateful and ignorant aren't ya? I am a Republican and a very proud and American gun owner and boy oh boy is this a sh*tload of bullsh*t.

 

Republican's have never once tried to destroy the 1st amendment, EVER! Where you got this information is a bit concerning because it means they are spreading lies about a political party.

 

Republican's interfering with Abortion laws? What the f*ck do you expect? It's a very sensitive matter.

Trying to stop women from earning equal pay as men? That's a load of bullsh*t

Racist attacks on the president? So now that he is black it's a concern but back when blacks were calling Bush a "Dumbass honkey" that wasn't racism just freedom of speech right?

Obama isn't American. It took him three years to show his birth certificate and an OFFICIAL inspectors of those damn things called it fake.

"The allegiance to the 1%" I'm going to ignore this as you seem to forgot what Republicans are

"Destroying unions across the nation" Ahh, I'm sorry. Even democrats do this. Try again

 

The last bit is impossible to address as it's clear you don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and constantly contradict yourself.

 

 

" When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's...The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today."

 

Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments.

 

Democrats everyone, democrats

Typical republican response. You couldn't even DENY one of my statements, and instead chose to dumb down the conversation by using the same doubletalk we hear every day from republicans. Democrats aren't much better either, so i'm not taking one side over the other. I simply brought up common known FACTS about what's going on in government.

Republicans and the NRA are TOGETHER in their ignorance about violence in american society. People have been getting murdered in america for decades, and we are the only country that has such a widespread problem with gun violence at this level.

Other civilized countries ALL watch the same movies, and play the same video games WE do, and don't have such violence associated with guns. Taking my statement about how the constitution was meant to be representative of the times, and sparsing it into simple talk like "Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments."

You don't know how to read. That's NOT what i was saying, but it won't matter to you, because you will only come back spouting the same right wing garbage that you've been fed your whole life.

Good day to you, and keep being "proud" of being a gun owner! Apparently that counts as an accomplishment in your world.

I own a pair of sneakers, but i don't feel any sense of pride about being a "sneaker owner!".

Haha, I can read. Unlike you I'm not a weed smoking hippie that believe guns are bad.

 

You're a very ignorant person and attempting to argue with you would be impossible. So I'm just gonna leave it at this

 

Guns don't kill people, not once has any of my guns got out of it's locker by itself and go on a killing spree. No, people who have no respect for the weapon, like you, kill people. Guns are not the problem, it's the fact that 50% of the users have no respect for the weapons and see them only as a way to kill and rob.

 

So maybe it's not the guns, videos game or movies. Maybe it's the terrible schools and healthcare system.

See this is what is wrong with some people. You deal in extremes. Someone who thinks guns are bad is apparently a weed smoking hippie, no middle ground. And of course on the other side are the people who think anyone who owns a gun is sick, violent, redneck, etc. Again with no middle ground. All of you should shut the f*ck up. This topic doesn't really belong here.

OHH CANAADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our home and native land

[saintsrow]

 

Sorry if this topic is already discussed here, i did a quick search, didn't find anything related.

 

Do you guys think the recent discussion on Gun Control in the United States will affect the release of GTA V.

How do you think the American press will respond to this game when it comes out?

Do you think parents will be influenced by the press and forbid their kids to buy this game?

 

1) Not at all. I think videogames do have an impact on young people and I think more so than films in a way because in games they put you in the role of the hero or antagonist with a gun and it allows you more freedom to perform your desires and actions that you wouldn't do in real life. Playing violent videogames can be like an emotional outlet for people that are angry or want to get away from the world.

 

Anyway GTAV will release and no amount of bad coverage will detract from its sales. The only way I can see V doing remotely poorly on sales is if there is another US Massacre near the day of release and the killer says he loved GTA as a kid.

 

 

2)Negatively. Fox will slam it on release day for sure I remember when IV released Fox News were talking about the affect on young people of this game. I give it two weeks max and they will forget about it. Unless there is another US shooting of course. Why dont the media slam games like Halo and CoD for inciting violence? Seems like GTA is picked on unfairly sometimes. When was the last time

 

 

3)If they care about their kids yes. Most parents don't care giving into your kids means less of a headache than you would get if you are denying them their wants/desires days.

Even though video games are interactive, while watching violence in movies and TV are a passive activity, I for one am still much more emotionally engaged and emotionally imprinted by the movies, no matter how hard the Housers try to make their video games into machinima movies. So I'm going to yammer on for a bit about my way of seeing these influences, and you all can see how they line up with your own experience and your extrapolation to if / how these game influences may imprint on impressionable young people.

 

I just don't get anywhere near the same emotional engagement (or implanted subliminal violent intentions), virtually none, from video games. Maybe other people do. Ironically, driving like a nut in GTA probably has influenced me a bit (toward incrementally more speed, or more realization of how I can maneuver a car if I had to) in terms of my real life driving, but the game violence does not even register.

 

Hey, in the middle of a mission, whether I am shooting armed NPCs or driving like crazy trying to stay alive or meet the mission goals, yeah, I'm screaming and cussing and sweating, and my heart rate is off the charts -- that's the point of a good video game. But that's just like playing sports -- no way does that connect with some kind of emotional / empathy path to the part of the brain that registers real suffering or fear in others. Hell, playing rock music really loud makes me feel violent, but GTA never has.

 

Seriously and specifically, I think if somebody put a functional MRI scan on our heads while we are blowing away random unarmed peds in GTA just because we can, I think seeing a hit on an NPC would simply activate the same small satisfaction areas of the brain as in the brain of someone who successfully rotates a Tetris block so it falls into place, or bounces back the little rock in Breakout or Pong, or sinks a ball in a video pool game, or makes a good shot with an Angry Bird. It's just an addictive little pleasure pulse you get when perfecting and achieving a repetitive action that you have been practicing. Nothing to do with planning out a real life mission to hurt people, not at all. That kind of sick mental impulse comes from deep-seated pain and frustration in real life. Yeah, we all have that, but in fact I think video games are a bit theraputic for that situation just as sports would be, plus we waste too much time playing video games to have time to plan real life carnage.

 

With movies on the other hand, we do empathize with and identify with actual characters, and there is undeniable emotional influence, that I suggest is more relevant to causing or at least encouraging or "de-guiltifying" such actions by susceptible audience members in real life. Just to elaborate a bit, besides the hundreds of violent, mindless, high-body count movies we have all seen, you may have seen a very few movies which dwell deeply and artfully on the consequences of violence (The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover comes to mind as one example) and make us feel sick and shamed at the very idea of having violent thoughts. I have heard that an old foreign film, Man Bites Dog, similarly is a vehicle to make us emotionally revulsed by violence. My point is that movies can do this to us, but video games are nowhere near engaging enough to do so.

 

To your second point, I think the media these days is too jaded and cyncical to make the same fuss over GTAV as they did when GTA III came out. The only reason I heard about GTA III and the reason I am here today on the GTAV forum is because back in the early days of GTA III, I read an article about an opinion piece about a self-rigtheous, self-serving diatribe by some guy who probably never touched a game controller in his life, railing about the damage that GTA III was going to do to our youth, consorting with prostitutes and then murdering them, no less! How vile; how sick! I thought, man, that's my kind of game Where can I get it?

[Thenoob]

It could potentially delay the game or cause problems. Any time a great tragedy happens, our government takes advantage of the situation to push their own agenda. It goes for both parties as we've now seen. Its a simple fact. After they attacked guns, they attacked the entertainment industry. The only thing that will come out of this will be more regulations, more control, and more bullsh*t. Thats why people here want to hold on to their guns. They're sick of every aspect of their lives being controlled in some way. The more control we have in this country, the worse it gets, plain and simple. Statistics have even proved it. The country was founded on personal freedom, which we're losing. I dont understand why this is so hard to see. But then again, most people here are extremely f*cked up in the head and have all kinds of ridiculous ideas about politics and how life should be handled. Though I think its hilarious how people who value freedom are labeled as "crazy" or "conspiracy theorists" by people brainwashed by socialism. Then again, people who think the constitution is out dated never understood it in the first place anyway.

 

Like I said before, it all boils down to more control. I'm sure the game wont be cancelled by any means, but I wouldnt be surprised if theres stricter laws on rating systems now. They'll probably do the same sh*t they did with guns. Instead of outright banning them, they're simply making them so difficult to buy, its almost impossible. If anything happens with the entertainment industry, it will be the same deal. There will be so much censorship and so many regulations regarding violent entertainment that it will no longer be profitable by industries to make, thus forcing them into making some other bullsh*t. It all boils down to profits. Some sh*tty corporation profiting at everyone elses expense.

 

The most I'd expect is a delay, simply because they may have to remove content from the game depending on what new laws may or may not be written. There WERE changes in GTA 3 due to 9/11, but they were minor. The police car skin is the only thing that comes to mind. However this is a different situation that is being exploited to directly target this type of industry, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Agreed

[Polenz357]

What about potatoes? Why are you all forgetting about potatoes, they seem to be the answer to this problem.

 

If you agree just grab some potatoes at home or go to the nearest store and buy some. Just throw them in hot oil and watch them cook, then eat them!