American Gun Control discussion and GTA V

[Revolution-XW]

After all the recent school shootings i won't be surprised if some politician stands up to ask for a ban on violent video games.

How about we wait for such a ban to be put before congress before we get worried about it affecting GTA V? Because at the moment, there is precisely no sign that a ban is going to happen, or that if there was, it would affect V.

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The rants, and riots there would be against the opponents of 'violence' games like Gta V would be inexplicable, if they make Obama, somehow, to think about banning the best games ever made, for no reason basically.

 

All I'm going to say is this world would be hell if violence video games actually mentally 'affected' these gamers, who are just like any normal person out there, it's stupid to think such an idea, unless you desperately are in need of attention, really.

 

There's actually real problematic things out there to be more concerned about, really.

[Lawlzmachine1989]

Keep in mind that he won't do that. The only thing that made him clueless is the economics and change. Keynesian? That didn't work since the Great Depression.

[Revolution-XW]

Keep in mind that he won't do that. The only thing that made him clueless is the economics and change. Keynesian? That didn't work since the Great Depression.

Pretty much.

 

Plus it's Rated: M, just saying..

[Lawlzmachine1989]

 

Pretty much.

 

Plus it's Rated: M, just saying..

That's why. It's just that parents are dumb to listen to the ESRB for buying GTA to their kids. At least I saw Stubbs's manhood, so there's no reason to change the rating because of it. I just find those activists so funny that they're sensitive about it. "Only in America".

[packardcaribien]

 

What is wrong with the Americans? Many people in Europe play violent videogames ,and how many shootings occur in Europe every year? I recall 3 shootings in American schools in the last two months. There have been zero in Europe the whole year of 2012. Those gits at the NRA need to stop blaming gaming companies like Rockstar. Did Rockstar or Ubisoft ever massacre children? People need to have the responsibility to only play the video games not re-create them.

Norway is still slightly ahead of the USA in terms of body count. Did anybody every track down whether the Norway nut case played video games? I don't remember.

 

"The government can take my Xbox when they pry it from my cold, dead hands."

 

And in my sig, at the moment, is an excerpt from the NRA reaction to the recent elementary school shootings, where the NRA head honcho points the finger at video games.

 

On topic, if any effects occur at all to GTAV, I think that it will be in terms of finding a way to hit the NRA sarcastically. Ammunation was Rockstar's sly sarcasm on America's gun situation back in GTA III. It was particularly ironic in Liberty City, since it was already illegal to own an unregistered weapon in New York City.

Did the NRA president specifically mention GTA as one of those 'evil' games? I know Biden hated on Call of Duty, but I honestly don't like either of them so it doesn't matter. Jeez, this stupid game of pointing fingers is tugging at my loyalties: guns vs. violent games.

 

I don't really know if R* will have time to add too much in about this stuff if they're as close as we all think. References, perhaps, and making it really difficult to buy a legal gun (or just illegal, a la IV) but they probably won't have the gun control debate involved in the game too specifically?

[ill-thoughts]

if they banned GTA, they would have to ban ALL MOVIES that have guns in them....aka theyll Never be able to ban GTA.

[TMAC2013]

if they even mention GTAV im gonna be pissed, its not video games, its the parents who are to lazy to watch their kids

[doutee7]

If they wan't something done, the government will use a fear tactic first. And nothing gets Americans on the side of lying politicians better than a good sob story. Why are we so stupid? And by we, I mean 90% of americans. Did you guys know tht it's so bad that they say if you don't give up your gun, you are mentally ill?

I completely agree america has an almost genius propaganda system.

 

Its so stupid, but it works on most americans.

 

As a gun owner myself, this whole media outburst on gun control really pisses me off, and why the f*ck is Piers Morgan making so much noise about it, his opinion is void, hes not even american.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=309ozl9Af5g

[Magic_Al]

There will be no gun bans on American soil. EVER. The second amendment is very clear. Many states have already said they will not enforce anything that Obama, Piers Morgan, and all the other traitors want. If any fed is caught trying to arrest someone with an assault weapon in any of these states, that fed will be arrested and charged with a serious crime. Our constitution will not be edited by foriegn or domestic enemies of The United States. Obama is fanning the flames of revolution so *they* can apply martial law. There's no other explanation for what they are doing.

Yeah... you might want to dial back the modern civil war fantasy a bit. "States" have said nothing about blocking federal enforcement, rather some individual, idiot and/or grandstanding state legislators and county sheriffs have said such things. No state's attorney general would agree arresting a federal officer for enforcing federal law is legal. The fact is, the U.S. Constitution has a supremacy clause that leaves it to federal courts to resolve conflicts between state and federal law. States can sue the federal government in federal court. That's how these conflicts get resolved, not by state and federal law enforcement pointing guns at each other.

 

States absolutely do not have the power under the U.S. Constitution to interpret the U.S. Constitution differently than federal courts. The 10th Amendment, for example, makes clear that the states and the people have all powers not enumerated as federal powers. However, the power to interpret the 10th Amendment and any other conflict between state and federal law is one of the powers the Constitution specifically assigns to federal courts. Most "state's rights" arguments are uninformed wishful thinking.

 

This system works to protect rights far more often than it infringes them. States such as California, New York, and Illinois have tried to pass laws against guns and violent video games that have been struck down by federal courts. California spent $2 million to lose in court trying to defend its unconstitutional video game law.

[Lawlzmachine1989]

 

if they even mention GTAV  im gonna be pissed, its not video games, its the parents who are to lazy to watch their kids

At least my parents aren't. They know how to deal with me when I play them.

[AdvanceTrak RSC]

Well put it this way, any interiors based on universities and high school campuses will more than likely be removed or changed to other buildings.

 

The same as the 9/11 impacted the final product of GTA 3

Which could mean a delay.

There were never schools in GTA after one were cut out in GTA III.

Yeah no highschools or elementry schools, but GTA IV had a college university.

Did it? I thought that was SA

[killahmatic]

Theres already been quite a bit of talk about video games and real life murder.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that just because a game doesnt in any way make me want to shoot someone in real life, doesnt mean it wont make someone else want to. Now, to be completely fair, if a game makes you want to shoot someone, theres something wrong with you, and if the game didnt 'influence' you to do it, pretty much anything would.

 

As for guns themselves, I wont get in on that talk, but there is a legitimate reason why its being talked about.

 

 

As for effecting GTA's release, no. I highly doubt it.

[YoungChrist]

we'll see what happens

I dont know why u edited ur post but lmfaooo at what u previously said. Did she know that GTA IV had a minority as its protagonist??????????????????????????????

 

Feminists

well to be fair

 

Niko= White (Eastern European)

 

Johnny= White

 

Luis= Hispanic

 

 

still it was probably dumbest thing i ever seen

ehhhhhh, so so. I mean yeah Niko is white, hes considered that but.... ehhhhh... you know, not really.

[CryptReaperDorian]

It seems like it's mostly old sh*ts (no offence to older members here since this doesn't apply to you when you happen to be a gamer) that bash video games. They do this since it's a "new" form of entertainment, and they never took the time to understand it. The same happened to rap music, rock music, and violent movies. It really doesn't matter where they're from. I've seen video game bashing coming from just about every place (conservatives and liberals alike), and I can tell you that it's quite rare for a "young" person to point fingers at video games. That's because they've probably grown up with them.

 

As for the Constitution, the First Amendment is the heart, and the Second Amendment is the backbone. The Second Amendment is there to protect the First Amendment if all else fails (as in the government becomes a tyrannical dictatorship). The situation right now is horrible, but I think we're still quite a way off from having another civil war (which nobody ever wants).

[Lawlzmachine1989]

I believe ya. El presidente Kenyan-United Stater from Hawaii won't allow that kind of war either and the only thing he can do is to limit the amount of magazines for all the firearms. I'm guessing the anti-gun activists will have to learn a hard way other than simply pointing their f*cking fingers to an inanimate object/a tool to whack a living. I'm not anti-gun or pro-gun here, so what matters if Earth will be having without firearms or anything to kill, she'll get anarcho up her arse. People die, period. Therefore, why bother banning anything to kill anyways?

[packardcaribien]

There will be no gun bans on American soil. EVER. The second amendment is very clear. Many states have already said they will not enforce anything that Obama, Piers Morgan, and all the other traitors want. If any fed is caught trying to arrest someone with an assault weapon in any of these states, that fed will be arrested and charged with a serious crime. Our constitution will not be edited by foriegn or domestic enemies of The United States. Obama is fanning the flames of revolution so *they* can apply martial law. There's no other explanation for what they are doing.

Yeah... you might want to dial back the modern civil war fantasy a bit. "States" have said nothing about blocking federal enforcement, rather some individual, idiot and/or grandstanding state legislators and county sheriffs have said such things. No state's attorney general would agree arresting a federal officer for enforcing federal law is legal. The fact is, the U.S. Constitution has a supremacy clause that leaves it to federal courts to resolve conflicts between state and federal law. States can sue the federal government in federal court. That's how these conflicts get resolved, not by state and federal law enforcement pointing guns at each other.

 

States absolutely do not have the power under the U.S. Constitution to interpret the U.S. Constitution differently than federal courts. The 10th Amendment, for example, makes clear that the states and the people have all powers not enumerated as federal powers. However, the power to interpret the 10th Amendment and any other conflict between state and federal law is one of the powers the Constitution specifically assigns to federal courts. Most "state's rights" arguments are uninformed wishful thinking.

 

This system works to protect rights far more often than it infringes them. States such as California, New York, and Illinois have tried to pass laws against guns and violent video games that have been struck down by federal courts. California spent $2 million to lose in court trying to defend its unconstitutional video game law.

Well, quite a few people in Texas, including the Governor have said that they would plan to launch a suit in federal court, as you said, if the Obama gun control goes through. They've also said that they are there and ready for any legal gun owners in NY who want to get out from under that state's new gun control, as well as passing laws allowing teachers to carry guns in school.

 

So, yeah, not states plural, but Texas. They have a lot of support for secession... It's still a fantasy of his, but Texas is kind of unpredictable and not completely on its rocker.

[AtomicPunk]

What is wrong with the Americans? Many people in Europe play violent videogames ,and how many shootings occur in Europe every year? I recall 3 shootings in American schools in the last two months. There have been zero in Europe the whole year of 2012. Those gits at the NRA need to stop blaming gaming companies like Rockstar. Did Rockstar or Ubisoft ever massacre children? People need to have the responsibility to only play the video games not re-create them.

Norway is still slightly ahead of the USA in terms of body count. Did anybody every track down whether the Norway nut case played video games? I don't remember.

 

"The government can take my Xbox when they pry it from my cold, dead hands."

 

And in my sig, at the moment, is an excerpt from the NRA reaction to the recent elementary school shootings, where the NRA head honcho points the finger at video games.

 

On topic, if any effects occur at all to GTAV, I think that it will be in terms of finding a way to hit the NRA sarcastically. Ammunation was Rockstar's sly sarcasm on America's gun situation back in GTA III. It was particularly ironic in Liberty City, since it was already illegal to own an unregistered weapon in New York City.

The Norway shooter is a known Mossad agent, is he not?

 

The Ammunation commercials should heavily parody all of it too.

[YoungChrist]

After all the recent school shootings i won't be surprised if some politician stands up to ask for a ban on violent video games.

How about we wait for such a ban to be put before congress before we get worried about it affecting GTA V? Because at the moment, there is precisely no sign that a ban is going to happen, or that if there was, it would affect V.

....

 

The rants, and riots there would be against the opponents of 'violence' games like Gta V would be inexplicable, if they make Obama, somehow, to think about banning the best games ever made, for no reason basically.

 

All I'm going to say is this world would be hell if violence video games actually mentally 'affected' these gamers, who are just like any normal person out there, it's stupid to think such an idea, unless you desperately are in need of attention, really.

 

There's actually real problematic things out there to be more concerned about, really.

It doesnt matter anyways because it can't be done. Judges respect the constitution and free speech is covered under the constitution. Violent video games can't be "banned" in anyway. Sure politicians can say they're bad for cognitive development in children and parents gather and sell these violent games back (which for some reason their kids were playing in the first place), but thats entirely different than the American government preventing entire industries to sell a piece of entertainment.

 

Additionally, its not good for America's economy. Over the recession, video game sales are one of the few things that have went UP during this negative economic period.

 

The only attack people have made on the video gaming community was 2 years ago when they tried to enact the California's Video Game Violence law. All it tried to do was create a law that prevented retailers from selling M rated games to minors, which is totally fine by me. But even that failed because children are not legally protected from books and movies that have the same violent nature.

 

 

[PutAQuarterIn]

They may not be able to ban it or reduce content, but here's where their gonna get us....

Violent video game tax being purposed

 

This will only affect American wallets. Which sucks, but eh, I'll take it

[73duster]

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

 

[Colonel Dre]

Republicans and the NRA are a bunch of retards. They are going into overdrive in trying to blame violence in society on movies and video games. They can't stop screaming about their second amendment rights, while completely attempting to throw the FIRST amendment under the bus. They continue to want to turn the clock back to the "good old days". A time when white men had ALL the power, and made all the decisions. Proof:

Their repeated attempts to interfere with women's rights as it concerns abortion, as well as their right to earn equal pay to men.

Their repeated attempts to disenfranchise minority voters in poor areas of the country in order to steal elections.

The never ending racist attacks on the president. They continue to throw around the idea that he is NOT american.

Their undying allegiance to the top 1% of the wealthiest cronies in america.

Their relentless attempts to destroy unions across the nation.

These are just a small sample of their backwards thinking politics. When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's, or the days of the wild west. Instead of using logic, and tackling the REAL issues of guns in america, they will predictably continue to brainwash americans into believing that they SHOULD continue to hold on to their guns, while blaming everything on movies and video games. The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today.

Don't fall for the bullsh*t. Tell these ignorant turds to stuff it, and remind them that our votes outnumber the NRA's.

Very hateful and ignorant aren't ya? I am a Republican and a very proud and American gun owner and boy oh boy is this a sh*tload of bullsh*t.

 

Republican's have never once tried to destroy the 1st amendment, EVER! Where you got this information is a bit concerning because it means they are spreading lies about a political party.

 

Republican's interfering with Abortion laws? What the f*ck do you expect? It's a very sensitive matter.

Trying to stop women from earning equal pay as men? That's a load of bullsh*t

Racist attacks on the president? So now that he is black it's a concern but back when blacks were calling Bush a "Dumbass honkey" that wasn't racism just freedom of speech right?

Obama isn't American. It took him three years to show his birth certificate and an OFFICIAL inspectors of those damn things called it fake.

"The allegiance to the 1%" I'm going to ignore this as you seem to forgot what Republicans are

"Destroying unions across the nation" Ahh, I'm sorry. Even democrats do this. Try again

 

The last bit is impossible to address as it's clear you don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and constantly contradict yourself.

 

 

" When the constitution was written, it was meant to be flexible enough to change with the times. Republicans rigid stance on defending the NRA, as well as the 2nd amendment, completely ignores the fact that we no longer live in the 1800's...The irony of all this is that they care more about an OUTDATED section of the constitution that the supreme court should look at, and don't care at all about the First amendment, which is STILL the most relevant part of the constitution today."

 

Ta-Da!! You just f*cking made yourself look like a retard. We no longer live in the 1800's so the constitution should change. Okay, let's just say goodbye to the first 10 amendments.

 

Democrats everyone, democrats

[Thenoob]

Guns are a good thing. They save lives

[Laxain]

Guns are a good thing. They save lives

Really? How so, as in if I see someone drowning I can throw them a rifle?

 

Anyway back on topic, even if a ban on guns was to be enforced in the US (I doubt it will though) that wouldn't translate to video games at all. There is no possible way any legal system could outlaw visual representations of illegal products. If somehow they did manage to ban Rockstar from putting any guns in GTAV, Rockstar would probably not even bother finishing it. But that really isn't going to happen.

[BUT THE BENZ]

The US government, NRA and other associations alike are a murdering, spineless bunch of liars and hypocrates. I think everyone agrees. Now with that in mind who really cares where they point their blaming fingers?! And if they say they wanna ban gaming they're just fooling themselves....I'd give this no attention at all.

 

 

 

[Thenoob]

The US government, NRA and other associations alike are a murdering, spineless bunch of liars and hypocrates. I think everyone agrees. Now with that in mind who really cares where they point their blaming fingers?! And if they say they wanna ban gaming they're just fooling themselves....I'd give this no attention at all.

I agree. The government and the NRA are liars and hypocrites. But I do think that video games have an effect on people. Also why do people think that guns are bad? Guns save far more than they kill.

[Thenoob]

Guns are a good thing. They save lives

Really? How so, as in if I see someone drowning I can throw them a rifle?

 

Anyway back on topic, even if a ban on guns was to be enforced in the US (I doubt it will though) that wouldn't translate to video games at all. There is no possible way any legal system could outlaw visual representations of illegal products. If somehow they did manage to ban Rockstar from putting any guns in GTAV, Rockstar would probably not even bother finishing it. But that really isn't going to happen.

Guns are good because they protect people from criminals, and a tynical government. We in the US can protect ourselves. You can't.

[Laxain]

Guns are good because they protect people from criminals, and a tynical government. We in the US can protect ourselves. You can't.

Fortunately I live in a country where criminals have basically no access to guns so I don't need a gun to protect myself. Not only are crime rates lower in Australia than in the US but there are very few violent crimes. Often the first news headline is that some guy tried to hold up a convenience store with a screwdriver and that is as bad as it gets. Sure there are still nutcases roaming the streets in Aus, but at least they don't carry a gun. And please, how do guns protect you from a tynical (cynical??) government. I don't see you launching an armed revolution against Obama every time he says something you don't like. Its called politics kid. And if you want protection from that move to a country where a coup happens every other week. You might need a gun there.

[Thenoob]

Guns are good because they protect people from criminals, and a tynical government. We in the US can protect ourselves. You can't.

Fortunately I live in a country where criminals have basically no access to guns so I don't need a gun to protect myself. Not only are crime rates lower in Australia than in the US but there are very few violent crimes. Often the first news headline is that some guy tried to hold up a convenience store with a screwdriver and that is as bad as it gets. Sure there are still nutcases roaming the streets in Aus, but at least they don't carry a gun. And please, how do guns protect you from a tynical (cynical??) government. I don't see you launching an armed revolution against Obama every time he says something you don't like. Its called politics kid. And if you want protection from that move to a country where a coup happens every other week. You might need a gun there.

Any criminal can obtain a gun. Ever heard of the black market? If you live in a country where guns aren't allowed than if someone gets attacked ay a criminal than they won't be able to defend themself. Banning guns just makes law abidding ditizens unable to defend themselves. Any country that does not allow it's citizens to have the right to bear arms is a police state. Enough said.

[K20]

if we didnt have guns to kill.... we'd be killing with arrows... or ray guns.

 

its a tool. like everything other killing machine. even a knife.

 

in game killing is no way related to GTA or games. murders and killings have been going on a long time before computer games.

[Quackerz Gamerz]

I don't think this would affect GTA V in any way. As people have already said, if they ban GTA V they would need to ban any movies which involves guns, which they wouldn't do.

 

Anyway, as another person said, I would love to see a discussion of this on a radio station in a GTA V, and ending in a shootout. :

 

Btw I'm from the UK...