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[GrandMaster Smith]

 

Grand Master Smith, look at the below picture, illustrating your logical steps in your theory:

 

 

Would you be so kind as to provide Step 2?

First, could you first explain how the map being renamed to Sandy Hook then having the Elementary school circled and marked as strike zone 1 is a 'vague resemblance'?

Yes, because one is a real life map and scaled (not inverted, sorry about that), and pointed at a school, and the other is a fictional map somewhat based on a real location, and pointed at a stadium.

 

Now can you provide Step 2?

 

 

The map overlays with the schools location relevant to the hook in the freeway are identical, not to mention the fact alone that this specific location on the batman map was renamed Sandy Hook and has the school marked as a Strike Zone.

 

I personally believe a small group of people were behind this, not the government as a whole, but it's the same small group who influence the government and just about everything else in this world.

 

I believe this was a well orchestrated planned event used to scare us into giving up our rights. It worked with 9/11, it worked with the Reichstag Fire, it's working with this and it will sure as hell work in the future.

 

These people infiltrate every corner of mainstream media. They put their symbolism in plain sight and even spell out future planned events right in front of our face. If you care to see evidence I would be more than happy to show you but I have a feeling you'll reject..

 

[GrandMaster Smith]

 

 

1) I used the "lizard men" example as a general dismissal, not a specific attack on your or anyone else's arguments. It was a general demonstration of  logical errors in conspiracy theorits. The fact you've misinterpreted it as anything other looks suspiciously like an attempt to produce a straw man argument.

 

HAHAHA By you trying to discredit people arguing against you, you throw in the lizard man card.. then when you get called out on it you try to turn it around and say I'm trying to set up a straw man? LOL c'mon man..

 

 

Sivis, you're knowledgeable on security and defense, aren't you aware that the government hires people for 'correcting political misinformation' on online forums?

[Clem Fandango]

Grandmaster Smith, this will probably fly right over your head, but: could you explain why a propagandistic system would even need to rely on false flag attacks? Or are conspiracy blogs the extent of the literature you've read regarding foreign policy, and how said policy garners public support? Why would the system rely on false flag attacks, which are incredibly impractical, risky and constantly run the risk of being exposed, when there's already a powerful system of making the public accept government decisions in place?

[sivispacem]

 

HAHAHA By you trying to discredit people arguing against you, you throw in the lizard man card.. then when you get called out on it you try to turn it around and say I'm trying to set up a straw man? LOL c'mon man..

 

Sivis, you're knowledgeable on security and defense, aren't you aware that the government hires people for 'correcting political misinformation' on online forums?

Providing an example of flawed assumptions and conclusions not based in evidence is not an attempt to discredit anyone directly. It is merely a demonstration of flawed logical processes and conclusions not reasonably based in evidence. It was you who insinuated that I applied this logic to yourself, not me. Well, if the shoe fits...

 

Also, I'm not aware of any programme of underhand, government sanctioned disinformation using internet forums as a basis. I've certainly never seen evidence to suggest one exists- and by evidence I mean actual proof, not the institutions of conspiracy theorists. I cannot fathom why a government would engage in something of that kind. To me it seems like a bit if a zero-sum game given how small a portion of the population engage with internet forums on a regular basis and given that an even smaller proportion of that number engage politically in discussions. Take this forum as an example, there are perhaps two dozen people amongst hundreds of thousands of active members who engage with topics like this one. Do you really, rationally think it would be in the interest of governments to stalk internet forums for disinformation? I doubt it, personally.

 

Also, I see you failed yet again to actually substantiate your argument. You made a sequence of unvarfied claims about what you believe and what the government might be up to or what you hypothesise they may have done in the past or may do in the future. None of that actually goes any way to explaining your conclusions from this evidence. You are just building further unsupported and unverified premises on the basis of more unsupported and unverified premises. The whole thing reads like a bizarre opinion piece: a work of faith, not an actual argument.

Edited January 22, 2013 by sivispacem

[Clem Fandango]

You're going to ignore basically all my posts aren't you? I guess you're just having way too much fun arguing with sivispacem- and I don't see why, since you're only embarrassing yourself. I know why you can't see that though, it's something called the Dunning-Kruger effect, look it up.

[sivispacem]

You're going to ignore basically all my posts aren't you? I guess you're just having way too much fun arguing with sivispacem- and I don't see why, since you're only embarrassing yourself. I know why you can't see that though, it's something called the Dunning-Kruger effect, look it up.

I even keep drawing attention to your posts, and asking the same questions in mine, and he still ignores them. Its like debating with a biblical creationist or other religious fanatic.

[GrandMaster Smith]

You're going to ignore basically all my posts aren't you? I guess you're just having way too much fun arguing with sivispacem- and I don't see why, since you're only embarrassing yourself. I know why you can't see that though, it's something called the Dunning-Kruger effect, look it up.

Because you ask questions which can be answered with common sense.

 

The questions I do answer you simply ignore the responses and go off and ask another set of mundane questions.

 

 

Why would they rely on false flag attacks? Because it's easier to push a population the size of the USA into willingly giving up their rights rather than forcing them away. Need I remind you the people of Germany had almost no clue what was going on until it was all over, everything that happened was done in the name of fighting 'terrorists' and they conditioned the masses into believing taking away their rights was a good thing.

 

 

 

@ Sivis, so what would you think if the US government were to spend resources on setting out agents to stroll online forums to correct political misinformation, or that they treat every single American citizen as a potential criminal and store and track every single text, message or post you make without any warrant at all?

 

 

[sivispacem]

If it's "common sense" that the evidence of "complicity" you provide (which isn't evidence of complicity but lets suspend disbelief for a moment) indicates a government plot to take away rights, why can no-one else who isn't already prescribed to the conspiracy seeing it? It clearly isn't common sense if no-one else agrees with your logic.

 

Every question you have asked has garnered a response. The fact you've ignored those responses or just repeated yourself does not mean they aren't there. However, as I have repeatedly pointed out, you have not explained how the evidence leads to your conclusions. All you keep doing is repeating your theories, not devastating them. If you weren't suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, as Melchoir hypothesises, you might be able to notice this like everyone else has.

 

Nice use of Godwin's law too. If all else fails, compare to Nazi Germany, no matter how absurd or convoluted the comparison.

 

As for your hypotheses about storing all data and sending agents to forums, they're both totally unproven. The former isn't even physically possible (and even if it were, analysis of the raw data would be) and the latter is stated as empirical fact, so really could do with trustworthy supporting evidence.

[Clem Fandango]

 

Because you ask questions which can be answered with common sense.

Then why haven't you answered them? You still haven't told me why- if we accept that Sandy Hook was pre-planned by an organisation that left clues in the Batman map- we have to conclude that it was the work of the government? Working within your script, we could conclude any number of things: that it was the work of a terrorist cell or a cult or a home security company or a foreign military that wants to disarm America or a few nutjobs (one of which worked on that Batman movie in some capacity) with no particular goals, all these conclusions hold the same amount of weight.

 

Further, the reaction of the legislature and citizenry is not proof of the intention behind the act, the reaction would have been the same regardless. You have not answered these questions, and I certainly didn't "ignore the responses and go off and ask another set of mundane questions." You've failed to tell me why it's a foregone conclusion that if someone is behind it, it must be the government.

 

 

Why would they rely on false flag attacks? Because it's easier to push a population the size of the USA into willingly giving up their rights rather than forcing them away.

But there's already a propagandistic system in place. People rarely question the actions of the government because the system relies on a number of mechanisms that a) keep the citizenry far removed from the process and b) manipulates them into accepting the underlying principles of societal function.

 

...and that probably went completely over your head.

 

 

Need I remind you the people of Germany had almost no clue what was going on until it was all over, everything that happened was done in the name of fighting 'terrorists' and they conditioned the masses into believing taking away their rights was a good thing.

Your grasp of history is laughable. The Germans didn't believe fascism was a necessary evil, they believed whole-heartedly in the fascist ideology, believing it produced efficiency, dignity and glory, there were already fascist movements all over Europe (even in Britain) that had gained a lot of momentum before WWI (which essentially knocked all of them down like a house of cards with a cohesive, totalitarian war-time society) and all of the states which didn't benefit from WWI eventually fell to fascism, often internally: namely Spain and Italy. And then there's the matter of Japan...

[Dingdongs]

I'm sorry but are the two of them truly sourcing this to the map from Batman...?

[Tchuck]

Grand Master Smith, look at the below picture, illustrating your logical steps in your theory:

 

http://i.imgur.comjjjjj/gxyZO2C.png

 

Would you be so kind as to provide Step 2?

First, could you first explain how the map being renamed to Sandy Hook then having the Elementary school circled and marked as strike zone 1 is a 'vague resemblance'?

Yes, because one is a real life map and scaled (not inverted, sorry about that), and pointed at a school, and the other is a fictional map somewhat based on a real location, and pointed at a stadium.

 

Now can you provide Step 2?

youtubr video: 6uGjqW94iFs

 

The map overlays with the schools location relevant to the hook in the freeway are identical, not to mention the fact alone that this specific location on the batman map was renamed Sandy Hook and has the school marked as a Strike Zone.

 

I personally believe a small group of people were behind this, not the government as a whole, but it's the same small group who influence the government and just about everything else in this world.

 

I believe this was a well orchestrated planned event used to scare us into giving up our rights. It worked with 9/11, it worked with the Reichstag Fire, it's working with this and it will sure as hell work in the future.

 

These people infiltrate every corner of mainstream media. They put their symbolism in plain sight and even spell out future planned events right in front of our face. If you care to see evidence I would be more than happy to show you but I have a feeling you'll reject..

Ok. Fair enough.

 

You still haven't given me Step 2.

 

I can get that the map overlays with the school location and all that.

 

My question is: How does that lead to it being a plot about world domination?

 

You say you believe a small group of people were behind this, it was orchestrated and planned. Ok, I know you believe all that. Now, focusing solely on the maps, how do you come to that conclusion from the matching of two maps? That is what I want to know.

[El Dildo]

oh look, Grand Master Smartass has managed to bait everyone into another endless series of senseless argument over conspiracy theory bullsh*t.

 

I dunno why you guys feed that troll.

some things never change

[Dingdongs]

oh look, Grand Master Smartass has managed to bait everyone into another endless series of senseless argument over conspiracy theory bullsh*t.

 

I dunno why you guys feed that troll.

some things never change

Unfortunate thing is, he's not a troll.

[El Dildo]

maybe not technically, because he thinks he's serious.

 

but the way he posts and the way people respond to him is more like traditional troll-bait behavior.

it's an endless cycle of conspiracy nonsense which gets absolutely nowhere. I don't know why intelligent people like Sivis even try.

 

arguing with Grand Master is like smashing your own thumb with a hammer... on purpose.

[Doublepulse]

I don't even know what both of them are arguing about anymore.. It has gone way too long.. They are just pulling each other back in with every reply they make.. I know no one is asking me to read their replies or even this topic anymore, but after awhile, I just stopped reading them

 

Clearly they are both trying to prove something right or wrong..There is just no more use in trying to make each other make sense of the issue...

 

Someone wants to take the red pill, someone wants to take the blue pill.. don't force someone to take a pill they do not wanna take..

 

But I skimmed some of the questions, and those are tough questions. I will continue to stay out of it though .

[Dingdongs]

I don't even know what both of them are arguing about anymore.. It has gone way too long.. They are just pulling each other back in with every reply they make.. I know no one is asking me to read their replies or even this topic anymore, but after awhile, I just stopped reading them

 

Clearly they are both trying to prove something right or wrong..There is just no more use in trying to make each other make sense of the issue...

 

Someone wants to take the red pill, someone wants to take the blue pill.. don't force someone to take a pill they do not wanna take..

 

But I skimmed some of the questions, and those are tough questions. I will continue to stay out of it though .

What are you even saying?

[Doublepulse]

 

I don't even know what both of them are arguing about anymore.. It has gone way too long.. They are just pulling each other back in with every reply they make.. I know no one is asking me to read their replies or even this topic anymore, but after awhile, I just stopped reading them

 

Clearly they are both trying to prove something right or wrong..There is just no more use in trying to make each other make sense of the issue...

 

Someone wants to take the red pill, someone wants to take the blue pill.. don't force someone to take a pill they do not wanna take..

 

But I skimmed some of the questions, and those are tough questions. I will continue to stay out of it though .

What are you even saying?

Was it really that unclear?? lol

 

I was replying about the debate Sivis and Grandmaster are having..

 

Lol I look inside this thread, and the majority of the messages are theirs . They must have a lot to say .

 

I was just saying, I lost track of what they were discussing about, and I was not sure if they are having proper debate or trying to get each other to believe what they want them to believe.

 

EDIT: Maybe most of the messages are not theirs, but it just feels like it.

Edited January 23, 2013 by Doublepulse

[Dingdongs]

Well, talking to Grandmastersmith is like talking to a brick wall. It's not that they both have "differing opinions" - it's that one of them is a conspiracy theory lunatic sourcing his facts from batman, and the other is a highly educated individual trying to get through to him. Why sivis bothers anymore, I don't know. Diablo said it pretty well -

 

 

it's an endless cycle of conspiracy nonsense which gets absolutely nowhere. I don't know why intelligent people like Sivis even try.

 

arguing with Grand Master is like smashing your own thumb with a hammer... on purpose.

 

[lil weasel]

Aftermath of the "Fast Track" law rush to prevent honest citizens from having Ugly Guns:

 

An interesting development in the legality of SB 1160, Connecticut's 

new gun legislation.

 

The link below takes you to a video of Channel 3's "Face the State" 

aired yesterday, April 14th.

 

http://www.wfsb.com/category/213663/face-the-state

 

The first part with the interview of the attorney is what you want to watch.

[sivispacem]

Aftermath of the "Fast Track" law rush to prevent honest citizens from having Ugly Guns:

 

An interesting development in the legality of SB 1160, Connecticut's 

new gun legislation.

 

The link below takes you to a video of Channel 3's "Face the State" 

aired yesterday, April 14th.

 

http://www.wfsb.com/category/213663/face-the-state

 

The first part with the interview of the attorney is what you want to watch.

Care to summarise for those of us who would rather not follow any link you post for fear of ending up on some government militia blacklist?