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[sivispacem]

You can't say there is nothing sketchy going on behind closed doors with this govt.

You can say it. The same way I can say "if you allege suspicious goings on behind closed doors, support your hypothesis with reasonable evidence not subject to substantial and endemic flaws."

[LTA1992]

Yeah, even though the Medical Examiner you'd think would be a good source of info was caught flat out lying. The fact that we haven't seen any security footage yet even though we have for any major shooting that happened in the past. The supposedly dead gir being in a picture with Obama after the event. The rifle you see plastered all over the news wasn't even in the school. It was in his car. The fact that witnesses and news footage points to more than one shooter. The fact that Diane Feinstein had complete gun confiscation plans ready THE NEXT DAY. Mind you, even though Obama said he wasn't going to take he guns (LIE), he had plans drawn up as early as 2009. You say the media can get it wrong EVEN THOUGH THE INFO THEY WERE GIVEN CAME FROM THE FBI. Why is it that nobody thought to keep the road clear so that ambulances and police can get to the school? Hel, there were only 5 there. Why is it we never hear about the fact that he was found with 4 handguns? There is footage that show the rifle being taken out of his car later that night by a cop. He was wiping it down with a white cloth too. Before I started looking into this, I noticed, "Wow, they keep on changing the damn story. Ya'll can't get it right?" It took a few weeks to get it right, they even tried to throw autism in there. That made me chuckle.

 

Governments are more complex than you think. They have staged things to get things they want. We would never have gotten the PATRIOT Act if 9/11 wasn't done. We woud not have had an excuse to go to the Middle East. Speaking of which, do you know why we are REALLY in Iran killing children on an almost daily basis with these drone strikes?

 

Of course we want to find the truth when something smells funky. Our Government serves us and therefore, we have a right to know.

 

"Popular opinion is the greatest lie in the world"-Thomas Carlyle

 

"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don’t know because

we don’t want to know."

-- Aldous Huxley

 

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of

truth."

-- Albert Einstein

 

"America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed

and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our

media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond

telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to

know."

-- Gore Vidal

 

"In politics, nothing happens by accident, if it happens,

you can be sure we planned it that way".

-- Franklin Roosevelt

 

"To question your government is not unpatriotic --

to not question your government is unpatriotic."

-- Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.)

 

Anyone who calls "Conspiracy Theorists" crazy needs to read and absorb those quotes.

Edited January 16, 2013 by LTA1992

[FAH-Q]

You can't say there is nothing sketchy going on behind closed doors with this govt.

You can say it. The same way I can say "if you allege suspicious goings on behind closed doors, support your hypothesis with reasonable evidence not subject to substantial and endemic flaws."

No I'm all set with arguing with you, it seems you are never wrong.

[sivispacem]

All I hear is a lot of hot noise, hyperbole, baseless allegations and logical fallacies. I don't see you responding to my queries regarding the accuracy and validity of your source given that I've disproved one of the hypotheses. Doesn't that bring into question the accuracy, validity and neutrality of everything else that was said? Is your response to this still a totally baseless and unsupported insistence that I'm "wrong" without even a reason, let alone something to support it?

 

Hilarious.

[DestaliusDark]

I was bored. So i watched everything of it.

Well, i don't have a clue what to say actually lol, there are some strange things here and there.

 

And all the sites created before the incident, and the FB groups that where shortly after deleted. But then again, all these videos that say it's a hoax seem to have amazing proof.

 

But everything is very vague. (One more thing, you can't come with an excuse like: Yeah it was a bug in our data that it was 3 days earlier. It remindes me of those kids who had to make a project on the PC, but never worked on it and the excuse is :

 

- A bug!

- A virus

-My PC crashed

- My printer crashed. )

 

Also, those people the interview are, strange as f*ck.

The parents don't look shocked at all, lol.

I know parents whos kid died 2 years ago because he jumped from a roof, they still are a bit depressed.

Edited January 16, 2013 by DestaliusDark

[boxmonster]

 

In the words of our third president of the United States, Thomas Jefferson:

 

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

 

Apparently it is okay to quote fiction as fact but news sources can't be trusted.

[FAH-Q]

Sir, yes sir.

[sivispacem]

And all the sites created before the incident,

I already explained this and even demonstrated my explanations with empirical evidence. Unless you agree that not only did some websites exist before Sandy Hook that referred to it, but also a large number of conspiracy theories about these pages (one dated 9th December!) and therefore these conspiracy theorists are also complicit in it all, we can discount this. The same with FB pages. Whose to say groups weren't repurposed after the fact? Much more logical than assuming some big conspiracy with the government, Google and Zuck in bed together...

[St.Marks]

You know, last time i checked elementary schools weren't typically equipped with security cameras, mostly because parents were uncomfortable with the idea of their children being filmed and there's also a high risk that the people you hire to monitor the feed would be more interested in your children than their safety.

 

Security Cameras are not Everywhere, contrary to popular belief and i believe there are even laws against putting them in elementary schools.

 

You see security footage in aurora and other shootings because the shootings took place in areas with such cameras, sometimes these things happen where there are no cameras, that's not evidence of a hoax, that's just proof that we're not under surveillance everywhere.

[LTA1992]

 

You know, last time i checked elementary schools weren't typically equipped with security cameras, mostly because parents were uncomfortable with the idea of their children being filmed and there's also a high risk that the people you hire to monitor the feed would be more interested in your children than their safety.

 

Security Cameras are not Everywhere, contrary to popular belief and i believe there are even laws against putting them in elementary schools.

 

You see security footage in aurora and other shootings because the shootings took place in areas with such cameras, sometimes these things happen where there are no cameras, that's not evidence of a hoax, that's just proof that we're not under surveillance everywhere.

But THIS school was recently equipped with them. Not to mention, he couldn't have just walked into the school. You need a key card to get in after a certain time if you are a teacher. You also have to get buzzed in if you aren't.

Edited January 16, 2013 by LTA1992

[DestaliusDark]

And all the sites created before the incident,

I already explained this and even demonstrated my explanations with empirical evidence. Unless you agree that not only did some websites exist before Sandy Hook that referred to it, but also a large number of conspiracy theories about these pages (one dated 9th December!) and therefore these conspiracy theorists are also complicit in it all, we can discount this. The same with FB pages. Whose to say groups weren't repurposed after the fact? Much more logical than assuming some big conspiracy with the government, Google and Zuck in bed together...

I don't think this shooting was a fake at all.

It's just strange, how a FB post RIP 'Girlname' is made before the shooting already did happen, and also the parents.

 

Those are the only things i find so strange about it, but there might be a logical explanation for this. Maybe the parents just are happy they get so much attention from TV (Even if their kid is dead..)

[LTA1992]

And all the sites created before the incident,

I already explained this and even demonstrated my explanations with empirical evidence. Unless you agree that not only did some websites exist before Sandy Hook that referred to it, but also a large number of conspiracy theories about these pages (one dated 9th December!) and therefore these conspiracy theorists are also complicit in it all, we can discount this. The same with FB pages. Whose to say groups weren't repurposed after the fact? Much more logical than assuming some big conspiracy with the government, Google and Zuck in bed together...

I don't think this shooting was a fake at all.

It's just strange, how a FB post RIP 'Girlname' is made before the shooting already did happen, and also the parents.

 

Those are the only things i find so strange about it, but there might be a logical explanation for this. Maybe the parents just are happy they get so much attention from TV (Even if their kid is dead..)

Not to mention the girl that was supposed to be dead is seen in a photo with Obama. In the same dress as the supposed last family picture.

[sivispacem]

 

And all the sites created before the incident,

I already explained this and even demonstrated my explanations with empirical evidence. Unless you agree that not only did some websites exist before Sandy Hook that referred to it, but also a large number of conspiracy theories about these pages (one dated 9th December!) and therefore these conspiracy theorists are also complicit in it all, we can discount this. The same with FB pages. Whose to say groups weren't repurposed after the fact? Much more logical than assuming some big conspiracy with the government, Google and Zuck in bed together...

I don't think this shooting was a fake at all.

It's just strange, how a FB post RIP 'Girlname' is made before the shooting already did happen, and also the parents.

 

Those are the only things i find so strange about it, but there might be a logical explanation for this. Maybe the parents just are happy they get so much attention from TV (Even if their kid is dead..)

They have ensured that any required translation based on time zone has been done? We've been able to verify that these things actually exist and haven't been vested in image editing software like numerous other conspiracy theories before? There's actually open-source software which you can run images through to detect evidence of alteration- so it would be quite easy to demonstrate they're real or not.

 

Also, the girl on Obama's knee is her sister. Check your damn facts before you spout crap, LTA1992.

[lil weasel]

It takes a lot of ‘coincidences’ to make a disaster. Not all conspiracies are a single group behind closed doors. Many are just the ‘happy’ coincidence occurring in life that a ‘group’ or individual is able to subvert into the notoriety needed to push forward the nefarious plan. We were warned well before his first election that he was a backdoor antigun mentality. And, again before his reelection that he would use his ‘lame duck’ powers to trash the 2nd Amendment.

 

By the way did James Holmes get paid $26,000 by the Feds for his personal use to 'attend graduate school'?

 

 

[sivispacem]

 

It takes a lot of ‘coincidences’ to make a disaster. Not all conspiracies are a single group behind closed doors. Many are just the ‘happy’ coincidence occurring in life that a ‘group’ or individual is able to subvert into the notoriety needed to push forward the nefarious plan. We were warned well before his first election that he was a backdoor antigun mentality. And, again before his reelection that he would use his ‘lame duck’ powers to trash the 2nd Amendment.

 

By the way did  James Holmes get paid $26,000 by the Feds for his personal use to 'attend graduate school'?

Did you post in the wrong thread, or are you being intentionally off-topic?

[LTA1992]

 

And all the sites created before the incident,

I already explained this and even demonstrated my explanations with empirical evidence. Unless you agree that not only did some websites exist before Sandy Hook that referred to it, but also a large number of conspiracy theories about these pages (one dated 9th December!) and therefore these conspiracy theorists are also complicit in it all, we can discount this. The same with FB pages. Whose to say groups weren't repurposed after the fact? Much more logical than assuming some big conspiracy with the government, Google and Zuck in bed together...

I don't think this shooting was a fake at all.

It's just strange, how a FB post RIP 'Girlname' is made before the shooting already did happen, and also the parents.

 

Those are the only things i find so strange about it, but there might be a logical explanation for this. Maybe the parents just are happy they get so much attention from TV (Even if their kid is dead..)

They have ensured that any required translation based on time zone has been done? We've been able to verify that these things actually exist and haven't been vested in image editing software like numerous other conspiracy theories before? There's actually open-source software which you can run images through to detect evidence of alteration- so it would be quite easy to demonstrate they're real or not.

 

Also, the girl on Obama's knee is her sister. Check your damn facts before you spout crap, LTA1992.

No, she's the oldest daughter. The other two are 3 and 4 years old. What 3 or 4 year old you know is that big? Yes, the girl in the red and black outfit is seen in the SAME outfit with her parents and sisters before the shooting. The two younger girls changed their clothes, but why not her?

[DestaliusDark]

And all the sites created before the incident,

I already explained this and even demonstrated my explanations with empirical evidence. Unless you agree that not only did some websites exist before Sandy Hook that referred to it, but also a large number of conspiracy theories about these pages (one dated 9th December!) and therefore these conspiracy theorists are also complicit in it all, we can discount this. The same with FB pages. Whose to say groups weren't repurposed after the fact? Much more logical than assuming some big conspiracy with the government, Google and Zuck in bed together...

I don't think this shooting was a fake at all.

It's just strange, how a FB post RIP 'Girlname' is made before the shooting already did happen, and also the parents.

 

Those are the only things i find so strange about it, but there might be a logical explanation for this. Maybe the parents just are happy they get so much attention from TV (Even if their kid is dead..)

They have ensured that any required translation based on time zone has been done? We've been able to verify that these things actually exist and haven't been vested in image editing software like numerous other conspiracy theories before? There's actually open-source software which you can run images through to detect evidence of alteration- so it would be quite easy to demonstrate they're real or not.

 

Also, the girl on Obama's knee is her sister. Check your damn facts before you spout crap, LTA1992.

The footage of those pages are not photos, they highlight the December 11/12 date with their mouse so it becomes blue. Like when you select something to copy, are you able to do that with any editing software?

 

Tough, it could be possible to edit this with that old Javascript, where you can edit everything on the page, but only you can look at it and it won't save.

 

Oh well,

[sivispacem]

LTA199- debunked, amongst others, here.

 

DD- you could just export the HTML then change the date manually and open in the browser. Or they could be historic comments that have been edited. Plenty of rational explanations that don't involve a global conspiracy.

 

What about the British student who died? Are the UK complicit in this too?

[DestaliusDark]

LTA199- debunked, amongst others, here.

 

DD- you could just export the HTML then change the date manually and open in the browser. Or they could be historic comments that have been edited. Plenty of rational explanations that don't involve a global conspiracy.

 

What about the British student who died? Are the UK complicit in this too?

Aha, makes perfect sense. Thanks for explaining it.

Now the only problem i have are the parents, but oh well.

I'll leave this case to be solved by someone else , i can't believe the video actually links this with the metro bombs and 9/11.

 

Silly people

[Icarus]

Not to mention, he couldn't have just walked into the school. You need a key card to get in after a certain time if you are a teacher. You also have to get buzzed in if you aren't.

That's why he shot the locks off the door and how he managed to gain entry into the school. It's not rocket science.

 

[GrandMaster Smith]

If the people voted and democracy spoke, why is the fed still overruling their choice and raiding them anyways?

Because state legislatures and federal authorities have different areas of jurisdiction, put simply. Come on, GMS, your the learned American with his finger on the pulse of the Constitution, you should know this.

So basically no, it does not matter what the people vote because the federal government can come in an overrule anything they please.

 

 

Yes people, freedom at it's finest! You are free to choose between McDonalds and Burger King, you are free to choose between Prozac and Abilify, you are free to choose between either left or right wing viewpoints, you are free to get your news from Fox or CNN, now go pay your taxes and do as your told or you'll spend the rest of your life behind bars for not freely doing as we tell you. lol

Jeebus.

 

Changing law takes time. If enough states pull the same line as Colorado, California, etc... then the federal government will be forced to examine it's laws and possibly enact change in those laws. There has been a prohibition against the drug since it came into popular culture. Repealing something so ingrained in the culture takes time. For the most part the federal government has worked well with state legislatures and hasn't stepped up to enforce prohibition except under circumstances where there have been questions as to whether or not a medical marijuana business is adhering to the agreed upon state standards in which case the ATF is more then happy to investigate, because you know... that's kinda what they do.

Yeeaahh changing laws take decades...

 

 

Yet a gun ban/restrictions can be put into place a day after a shooting occurs.. lol

 

 

People with cancer are being put into prison for using a plant that naturally grows on this planet and has zero direct links to causing a single death.

 

The people want it legal, BigPharma doesn't..

 

But yeah, keep telling yourself we have a say so in the matter.

[sivispacem]

Wait, please explain to me logically why big Pharma, who are the only people who are likely to profit from decriminalisation of illicit drugs as they would be the only organisations capable of both large-scale cultivation of organic, and large-scale production of non-organic alternative intoxicants, and who have campaigned tirelessly for additional research into the medical purposes of substances such as MDMA and LSD; who already produce the largest quantity of Amphetamine for legitimate use, and who already effectively control the legal opiate market, wouldn't want a decriminalisation of Scheduled drugs in the United States?

 

Also, there are links to Cannabis and deaths, just not from the direct use of therapeutic doses, or from overdoses.

[GrandMaster Smith]

Wait, please explain to me logically why big Pharma, who are the only people who are likely to profit from decriminalisation of illicit drugs as they would be the only organisations capable of both large-scale cultivation of organic, and large-scale production of non-organic alternative intoxicants, and who have campaigned tirelessly for additional research into the medical purposes of substances such as MDMA and LSD; who already produce the largest quantity of Amphetamine for legitimate use, and who already effectively control the legal opiate market, wouldn't want a decriminalisation of Scheduled drugs in the United States?

 

Also, there are links to Cannabis and deaths, just not from the direct use of therapeutic doses, or from overdoses.

Because anyone can grow it in their backyards for best next to free if they wanted to.

[sivispacem]

Anyone can grow potatoes and carrots in their back garden, but that doesn't stop supermarkets making enormous profits on selling them. Besides, decriminalisation doesn't necessarily legalise the production of illicit substances for all, just their possession and potentially distribution. I mean, if you start making Epinephrine, Phenobarbital or Isobutylpropanoicphenolic Acid in your basement, the FDA is still going to come a-knocking even though they aren't technically illegal substances.

[AtomicPunk]

Good thread OP! And you have valid concerns the same as tens of millions of other Americans who see Sandy Hook as a false-flag attack aswell and a tool being used against the second amendment. I've still not heard any good, chronic debunker, like Sivi, try and explain the Batman movie/Sandy Hook connection, other than calling someone a "tinfoil hat conspiracy nut". The story keeps changing.

[sivispacem]

I've still not heard any good, chronic debunker, like Sivi, try and explain the Batman movie/Sandy Hook connection, other than calling someone a "tinfoil hat conspiracy nut".

I haven't seen anyone actually adequately explain this theory. Can someone condense it into terms that are easily digestible because none of the explanations I've heard of it so far actually make sense. I've seen some pictures which claim to have "Sandy Hook" on them, but as far as I could see didn't actually have it there?

[GrandMaster Smith]

 

I've still not heard any good, chronic debunker, like Sivi, try and explain the Batman movie/Sandy Hook connection, other than calling someone a "tinfoil hat conspiracy nut".

I haven't seen anyone actually adequately explain this theory. Can someone condense it into terms that are easily digestible because none of the explanations I've heard of it so far actually make sense. I've seen some pictures which claim to have "Sandy Hook" on them, but as far as I could see didn't actually have it there?

Map from older Batman

 

 

Here's the map that appears in the new Batman:

 

 

 

Here's Sandy Hook with the elementary school under the blip:

 

 

 

 

That map was altered, renamed Sandy Hook from South Hinkley, circled the elementary school and labeled as Target Zone 1.

[sivispacem]

Isn't that explained by the fact that all the locations in the firms are based on real places in NYC? I also don't see the resemblance between the film map and the Google Earth image. Plus, if it was set up and part of an organised conspiracy, why in f*cks name would you pre-empt it by including it in possibly the biggest film release in recent memory? Isn't that kind of contradictory for something that's supposed to be a secretive plan?

[GrandMaster Smith]

 

Anyone can grow potatoes and carrots in their back garden, but that doesn't stop supermarkets making enormous profits on selling them. Besides, decriminalisation doesn't necessarily legalise the production of illicit substances for all, just their possession and potentially distribution. I mean, if you start making Epinephrine, Phenobarbital or Isobutylpropanoicphenolic Acid in your basement, the FDA is still going to come a-knocking even though they aren't technically illegal substances.

Supermarkets =/= Big Pharma

 

 

The people simply want cannabis completely legal, though passed by state law the Federal government still says no and raids these medical dispensaries and puts cancer patients in prison.

 

OVER USING A MEDICINAL PLANT, they are sticking terminally ill people behind bars because they don't like that particular alternative medicine despite what the people have voted for.

 

 

 

 

I also don't see the resemblance between the film map and the Google Earth image.

This is an overlay showing how they perfectly line up.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2013 by GrandMaster Smith

[GrandMaster Smith]

*double post*