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[Icarus]

10-The Sandy Hook fund was created December 11th.

This got thoroughly debunked as myth on another thread.

"To hell with evidence," said GrandMaster Smith and other simpletons.

[LTA1992]

 

<insert inane rambling here>

So none of these actors have stepped forward? I find that very hard to believe. As for the website you mentioned, here's a statement from their website:

 

"We are outraged by Florida Atlantic University Professor James Tracy's deliberate promotion of rumor and innuendo to link Crisis Actors to the Sandy Hook shootings of December 14, 2012. We do not engage our actors in any real-world crisis events, and none of our performances may be presented at any time as a real-world event.

 

James Tracy copied his material from blogs and YouTube channels that manufacture malicious rumors and false accusations.

 

It is obvious to James Tracy and FAU that these sites pander to followers who need only rumor and innuendo to carry out a relentless hate attack against the Sandy Hook community as well as Crisis Actors.

 

These followers' online campaign of threats and defamation continues to this day, and interferes with official investigations into the Newtown tragedy. How can James Tracy and the university shrug off any responsibility for the pain they are causing?"

OF COURSE THEY'D SAY THAT! It's called, "Let's try to cover our tracks".

 

We've seen this before. The most prominent being 9/11. When the government wants something done, they create things to make you believe that the "solution" is needed. Then you people eat it up. We've already been caught supplying guns to the cartels. We've been caught lying about 9/11. We've been caught in basically robbing the former Soviet Union dry (Project Hammer) leading to it's collapse. That ties into 9/11.

 

And the fact that we've seen NO SECURITY FOOTAGE say something to you? We've seen every other big shooting's security footage. They are obviously covering it up and if they ever d release the tape, it'll be edited. Again, something we've seen before.

 

Why is it now of all times that they want to really do something about guns? They could have tried in the 90s after Rex84 and HR645 were approved. They wanted to, yes, but that was before 9/11 when we were less prone to fear tactics.

 

Hell, President Bush has even talked in the early 2000s on the record on how the Government creates news stories prematurely.

 

To me, this and other things lead me to believing Martial Law isn't too far away in this country. This was another tool to bring them closer to it.

Edited January 15, 2013 by LTA1992

[Adriaan]

@gtamann123

 

There's a good discussion between Neil Degrasse Tyson and Joe Rogan in a recent podcast that discusses just that. They made some good points about why there's this fixation towards conspiracy theories. Generally overall a good listen.

 

 

Can get it on iTunes or whatever, but on YT, as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhcxffIENBU

[Typhus]

 

So the bottom line is: What has lead to all of this mass hysteria and conspiracy theory growth?

The people posting the theories are plants and have ulterior motives.

Their concept of the Illuminati is designed to demonise liberal concepts such as nature-worshipping, globalisation and population control.

By attributing disasters and crimes to a shadowy cabal of genocidal, pagan socialists they try to make all aspects of those beliefs seem ludicrous and evil.

Notice how GrandMaster Smith refuses to explain the exact reasons why reducing the human population is a bad thing? Or how he flatly refuses to explain how worshiping a giant owl is somehow evil? Owls are very cute, friendly animals.

All they can do is parrot the idea that the ideals of the so-called Illuminati are 'evil'. But they have no answers for those who realise that those ideals are sound and progressive social concepts.

 

He's a plant, they're all plants and they all have their little agenda to push. Wouldn't surprise me if he got paid by the word.

[LTA1992]

So the bottom line is: What has lead to all of this mass hysteria and conspiracy theory growth?

The people posting the theories are plants and have ulterior motives.

Their concept of the Illuminati is designed to demonise liberal concepts such as nature-worshipping, globalisation and population control.

By attributing disasters and crimes to a shadowy cabal of genocidal, pagan socialists they try to make all aspects of those beliefs seem ludicrous and evil.

Notice how GrandMaster Smith refuses to explain the exact reasons why reducing the human population is a bad thing? Or how he flatly refuses to explain how worshiping a giant owl is somehow evil? Owls are very cute, friendly animals.

All they can do is parrot the idea that the ideals of the so-called Illuminati are 'evil'. But they have no answers for those who realise that those ideals are sound and progressive social concepts.

 

He's a plant, they're all plants and they all have their little agenda to push. Wouldn't surprise me if he got paid by the word.

I know the Illuminati was outlawed in the late 1800s.

 

What we are seeing today, is the US Government aiming for complete control. We've seen many times in the last 113 years that once the government takes weapons, they can do whatever they want without resistance. They began spying on us from the air last year. Surveillance and Predator drones are in our skies and the FAA predicts 30,000 will be in the air by 2020. People don't realize that taking the guns will actually create a spike in violent crime. Britain is so bad that they want to ban knives.

 

 

I live in New York City where guns are already banned. Crime is high as hell.

[sivispacem]

 

The most prominent being 9/11.

...And now we come down to the crux of the issue. Every one of these debates boils back to 9/11. 9/11, the great conspiracy theory, which no matter how many times it is debunked still comes back like a bad case of the Herp. Seriously, anyone who chooses to believe the unverified, inaccurate or just plain false conspiracies about it over the numerous, scientifically merit-worthy, rational and educated explanations essentially publicly labels themselves an idiot. I've discussed it so many times on these forums that there's not one single aspect of the conspiracy theories I can't debunk from memory in about 5 minutes. With all the sources to back it up.

 

 

To me, this and other things lead me to believing Martial Law isn't too far away in this country. This was another tool to bring them closer to it.

Believe what you want. It's a free country. The sane and educated amongst us will just laugh at you from the side-lines.

 

Seriously, the sheer pig-headed ignorance on these forums of late has been astounding.

[GrandMaster Smith]

 

 

To me, this and other things lead me to believing Martial Law isn't too far away in this country. This was another tool to bring them closer to it.

Believe what you want. It's a free country. The sane and educated amongst us will just laugh at you from the side-lines.

 

Seriously, the sheer pig-headed ignorance on these forums of late has been astounding.

If it's a free country can you explain why even though California state has passed laws allowing the use of medical marijuana, the federal government continues to raid and imprison people who choose to use this medical alternative?

 

If the people voted and democracy spoke, why is the fed still overruling their choice and raiding them anyways?

[sivispacem]

If the people voted and democracy spoke, why is the fed still overruling their choice and raiding them anyways?

Because state legislatures and federal authorities have different areas of jurisdiction, put simply. Come on, GMS, your the learned American with his finger on the pulse of the Constitution, you should know this.

[WHAT!?]

 

If the people voted and democracy spoke, why is the fed still overruling their choice and raiding them anyways?

Because state legislatures and federal authorities have different areas of jurisdiction, put simply. Come on, GMS, your the learned American with his finger on the pulse of the Constitution, you should know this.

Indeed. Federal law trumps state law. While many states have legalized it the federal government can still prosecute against it under certain circumstances.

 

The fed and the state are in a relationship, and it's complicated.

[LTA1992]

Debunked? You need to recheck your facts. This link is the reasons why and every anomaly that you wont hear about unless you look for it.

As a NYer, I listen to NYers. And the testimonies that people gave, also, disagree with the "official" story.

 

This country hasn't been free since the FED came into existence. Woodrow Wilson lived the rest of his life as an unhappy man when he realized what he did. History has shown that when the government has control of the money, eventually, the economy goes down. You know that there are no plans to raise the debt ceiling again right? That comes around at the end of next month. Banks were warned last year to prepare for financial collapse and I just heard that same thing today on the news. Did you know that the president has 15 executive orders that make it possible? Did you know that DHS has been distributing riot gear and tanks to local police departments? I have a friend in the Federal Protective Service and he even gave me the names of the vehicles. He was going to tell me what type of ammo but I beat him to that. He claims it's just for riots but when I told him that that is what financial collapse would leat to, he continued to repeat that they were the good guys. The government has no prblem sacrificing a few people to meet their goals, did you know the US helped Hitler get where he was?

[GrandMaster Smith]

If the people voted and democracy spoke, why is the fed still overruling their choice and raiding them anyways?

Because state legislatures and federal authorities have different areas of jurisdiction, put simply. Come on, GMS, your the learned American with his finger on the pulse of the Constitution, you should know this.

So basically no, it does not matter what the people vote because the federal government can come in an overrule anything they please.

 

 

Yes people, freedom at it's finest! You are free to choose between McDonalds and Burger King, you are free to choose between Prozac and Abilify, you are free to choose between either left or right wing viewpoints, you are free to get your news from Fox or CNN, now go pay your taxes and do as your told or you'll spend the rest of your life behind bars for not freely doing as we tell you. lol

[GTA_stu]

Britain is so bad that they want to ban knives.

 

 

 

This is true, but it's only the sharp knives, which I don't personally have a problem with. They'll let us keep the butter knives, as long as we have the license of course. There's talk that they want to ban all blunt objects as well, but honestly I think that's going a little far.

[Typhus]

Yes people, freedom at it's finest! You are free to choose between McDonalds and Burger King, you are free to choose between Prozac and Abilify, you are free to choose between either left or right wing viewpoints, you are free to get your news from Fox or CNN.

And you are free to explain to me why reducing the human population is somehow 'evil'.

[WHAT!?]

If the people voted and democracy spoke, why is the fed still overruling their choice and raiding them anyways?

Because state legislatures and federal authorities have different areas of jurisdiction, put simply. Come on, GMS, your the learned American with his finger on the pulse of the Constitution, you should know this.

So basically no, it does not matter what the people vote because the federal government can come in an overrule anything they please.

 

 

Yes people, freedom at it's finest! You are free to choose between McDonalds and Burger King, you are free to choose between Prozac and Abilify, you are free to choose between either left or right wing viewpoints, you are free to get your news from Fox or CNN, now go pay your taxes and do as your told or you'll spend the rest of your life behind bars for not freely doing as we tell you. lol

Jeebus.

 

Changing law takes time. If enough states pull the same line as Colorado, California, etc... then the federal government will be forced to examine it's laws and possibly enact change in those laws. There has been a prohibition against the drug since it came into popular culture. Repealing something so ingrained in the culture takes time. For the most part the federal government has worked well with state legislatures and hasn't stepped up to enforce prohibition except under circumstances where there have been questions as to whether or not a medical marijuana business is adhering to the agreed upon state standards in which case the ATF is more then happy to investigate, because you know... that's kinda what they do.

[LTA1992]

Britain is so bad that they want to ban knives.

 

 

 

This is true, but it's only the sharp knives, which I don't personally have a problem with. They'll let us keep the butter knives, as long as we have the license of course. There's talk that they want to ban all blunt objects as well, but honestly I think that's going a little far.

It went far the moment they took the guns. They are gonna have to ban rocks and bricks too. Maybe even fists, that would be blunt too right?

[sivispacem]

 

Debunked? You need to recheck your facts.

Do I? Google's timestamps only record the date a page was indexed/created, not edited. That's common knowledge. Anyone who decides that its evidence of a conspiracy is being deliberately deceptive- and not very discrete about it either as its documented all over the damn internet- many significantly predating this debacle.

 

If you don't believe me, look for yourself. Looks like lots of the conspiracy theory pages were indexed before it happened too. Does that mean they were in on it?

 

F*cking ridiculous.

[DeeperRed]

I can't debunk from memory in about 5 minutes. With all the sources to back it up.

Not agreeing with the conspiracy theorists just looking for the counter arguments to these points put forward by the theorists.

 

Why was the commission report done so swiftly and so secretly, and not even mention the collapse of WTC 7 ?

Was it pure luck an entire building came down yet the passports remind in decent condition

 

Their are a few more but I can't remember them off the top of my head. I am not a firm believer of the conspiracy theories but then again I am not 100% it was a terrorist attack either.

 

[GunWrath]

I can't debunk from memory in about 5 minutes. With all the sources to back it up.

Not agreeing with the conspiracy theorists just looking for the counter arguments to these points put forward by the theorists.

 

Why was the commission report done so swiftly and so secretly, and not even mention the collapse of WTC 7 ?

Was it pure luck an entire building came down yet the passports remind in decent condition

 

Their are a few more but I can't remember them off the top of my head. I am not a firm believer of the conspiracy theories but then again I am not 100% it was a terrorist attack either.

Hm, I'm about the same with this.

[LTA1992]

 

Debunked? You need to recheck your facts.

Do I? Google's timestamps only record the date a page was indexed/created, not edited. That's common knowledge. Anyone who decides that its evidence of a conspiracy is being deliberately deceptive- and not very discrete about it either as its documented all over the damn internet- many significantly predating this debacle.

 

If you don't believe me, look for yourself. Looks like lots of the conspiracy theory pages were indexed before it happened too. Does that mean they were in on it?

 

F*cking ridiculous.

 

It can be deleted and remade. People who notice these things, will record it for further observation.

Edited January 15, 2013 by LTA1992

[GrandMaster Smith]

You guys are so stupid! The news has never been shown fake broadcasts, they're to be trusted 100%

 

 

 

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Yes people this is actual 'coverage' and behind the scenes footage from CNN's gulf war broadcasts.. All these broadcasts were all staged on a set, look it up for yourselves..

 

 

[LTA1992]

 

I can't debunk from memory in about 5 minutes. With all the sources to back it up.

Not agreeing with the conspiracy theorists just looking for the counter arguments to these points put forward by the theorists.

 

Why was the commission report done so swiftly and so secretly, and not even mention the collapse of WTC 7 ?

Was it pure luck an entire building came down yet the passports remind in decent condition

 

Their are a few more but I can't remember them off the top of my head. I am not a firm believer of the conspiracy theories but then again I am not 100% it was a terrorist attack either.

Oh, they also don't mention the power downs in the buildings in the weekend prior. They don't mention the basement, lobby, 22nd floor explosions as well as the elevator explosion they claim was a fireball from above. That fireball should have been impossible because the shafts were airtight.

 

The Commission doesn't mention the explosion in WTC6. It doesn't mention the empty vault under WTC 6 and the attempted theft of gold from under WTC4. The rivers of molten iron on the Pile, evidence of thermite in the dust, and why most the buildings collapsed to dust AND symmetrically.

[jdrandall38]

I'm not saying I believe that the Sandy Hook tragedy didn't happen. I'm just wondering as to why gears were turned so quickly from mourning the losses of 20 children to Gun control.

 

Why didn't Obama try to address the mental health aspect of it all. This kid was obviously deranged and disturbed and thus did what he did. I own many weapons and I (along with 99.9999% of Americans) would never plot to kill another human being. It is the Mental aspect of this matter that needs to be address NOT GUN CONTROL.

 

Our Second amendment is in place SOLELY for the matter of the government trying to take it away.

 

In the words of our third president of the United States, Thomas Jefferson:

 

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

[LTA1992]

I'm not saying I believe that the Sandy Hook tragedy didn't happen. I'm just wondering as to why gears were turned so quickly from mourning the losses of 20 children to Gun control.

 

Why didn't Obama try to address the mental health aspect of it all. This kid was obviously deranged and disturbed and thus did what he did. I own many weapons and I (along with 99.9999% of Americans) would never plot to kill another human being. It is the Mental aspect of this matter that needs to be address NOT GUN CONTROL.

 

Our Second amendment is in place SOLELY for the matter of the government trying to take it away.

 

In the words of our third president of the United States, Thomas Jefferson:

 

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

The GC plans you see now were in the works since 2009 but the general "take guns away" has been around since the 90s. The Sandy Hook shooting happened, just not in the way it was portrayed. There will be another if the COMPLETE gun bans don't happen quick enough.

[jdrandall38]

I'm not saying I believe that the Sandy Hook tragedy didn't happen.  I'm just wondering as to why gears were turned so quickly from mourning the losses of 20 children to Gun control. 

 

Why didn't Obama try to address the mental health aspect of it all.  This kid was obviously deranged and disturbed and thus did what he did.  I own many weapons and I (along with 99.9999% of Americans) would never plot to kill another human being.  It is the Mental aspect of this matter that needs to be address NOT GUN CONTROL. 

 

Our Second amendment is in place SOLELY for the matter of the government trying to take it away.

 

In the words of our third president of the United States, Thomas Jefferson:

 

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

The GC plans you see now were in the works since 2009 but the general "take guns away" has been around since the 90s. The Sandy Hook shooting happened, just not in the way it was portrayed. There will be another if the COMPLETE gun bans don't happen quick enough.

That's the gut feeling I get from this too.

[lil weasel]

 

Seriously, the sheer pig-headed ignorance on these forums of late has been astounding.

The 'other side' can say the same.

 

Anyway, we were warned that if Barry got reeclected there would be a gun grab. So to believe that his ilk is milking the situation, well....

 

It won't be the first time a 'Study' was started and will 'find' the 'facts' the Power Hungry want.

[sivispacem]

 

Why was the commission report done so swiftly and so secretly

Swiftly? A intense two-year investigation doesn't really constitute swift. Well, perhaps in comparison to British government-sanctioned investigations, which have a habit of dragging on for decades. As for the secrecy aspect, it was effectively an examination of the failures of the US foreign intelligence agencies. There wasn't a great deal of transparency in the process for setting up the commission- all being centrally appointed after all- but given that it was essentially an examination of the US intelligence apparatus (who are in transparency terms even less extensively audited than those in the UK, and directly answerable to the executive as opposed to government as a whole), it's not really that suspicious. I mean, compare and contrast with the UK- the evidence for the Bloody Sunday Enquiry (the recent one that wasn't a whitewash) and the 7/7 Bombings investigation were delivered in secret. Does this by implications mean both of these were conspiratorial in their nature?

 

 

and not even mention the collapse of WTC 7 ?

I think it's primarily because the primary focus of the investigation was the circumstances surrounding the attack, rather than the nature of the attack itself. It was also investigated separately in both 2002 (by the American Society of Civil Engineers) and 2004 (by the National Institute of Standards and Technology).

 

 

Was it pure luck an entire building came down yet the passports remind in decent condition

Debris was thrown for literally miles after the initial impacts. Some of this debris would have (and did) consisted of the front ends of both aircraft, including human remains and personal belongings. The fuel on 757s and 767s is carried predominantly in wing tanks and in a spar tank underneath the belly adjacent to the wings. A significantly portion of the aircraft would have been in the process of escaping the building as the leaking and vapourising kerosene from the ruptured tanks ignited, flashed over an exploded. It may well even contain items and effects from inside the building effectively undamaged by the fire and explosion.

 

 

Their are a few more but I can't remember them off the top of my head. I am not a firm believer of the conspiracy theories but then again I am not 100% it was a terrorist attack either.

I have some sympathy for people who have suspicions around events- it's only natural given everything that proceeded it- but there is not a single alternative hypothesis that explains the fire and collapse of the buildings which isn't severely and intrinsically flawed.

 

 

You guys are so stupid!

Oh look, an argument ad hominem. If you have to descend into blanket idiocy like this after the kicking you've received, it's pretty obvious you've lost whatever argument you were trying to make.

 

 

Yes people this is actual 'coverage' and behind the scenes footage from CNN's gulf war broadcasts.. All these broadcasts were all staged on a set, look it up for yourselves..

I'm pretty sure it's a fallacy to imply something has categorically happened in one set of circumstances because it happened under another completely different set of circumstances previously. Affirming the consequent?

 

 

People who notice these things, will record it for further observation.

It seems to me the people who "notice" these things are being deliberately misleading to produce a conspiracy where none exists. If I can debunk on of the main tenets of their argument with a simple Google search, and your only response is "well maybe it got changed" (with absolutely no substantiation at all) then you must understand that it looks like you are completely unwilling to entertain the thought that you might be wrong, even though all available evidence actually suggests you are. I mean, the entire video consists of a sequence of arguments non sequitur with no logical connection between most of the points being made and the conclusions drawn from them. Is that really the kind of shoddy interpretive work you want yourself associated with?

[JOSEPH X]

I'm not saying I believe that the Sandy Hook tragedy didn't happen. I'm just wondering as to why gears were turned so quickly from mourning the losses of 20 children to Gun control.

 

 

Because they were killed with guns?

[DeeperRed]

Thanks Sivis, it's just in my nature to be anti-establishment and not take everything at face value. I do believe that the government should always be questioned and also held in a suspicious light, not because it always bad but because we shouldn't just accept and believe everything they tell us by default.

[St.Marks]

Come to the lounge they said, get away from all the conspiracy theories in the V sections they said -__-

 

Oh what a fool i was.

 

I don't understand why people feel the need to turn every tragedy into a wild conspiracy theory, maybe it's hard for them to cope with the fact that real people have died horribly, maybe they have to convince themselves that these people are either alive or never existed at all in order to feel secure, but to try and convince others, to try and undermine the real grief that people are feeling over their lost children, is sick.

 

in my experience with governments i've seen petty squabbling and gross incompetence, to think that a group of people too prone to infighting and their own hubris could even maintain a coherent lie of this nature is baffling, also quite hilarious, Governments are bumbling, incoherent groups of dithering morons with one or two occasional bright spots among them, they know how to run a conspiracy about as well as they know how to run a country (that's not a compliment considering the state of most countries these days)

 

So let's look at the evidence, collected by professionals, the tests done in reputable labs, and presented to the public.

 

now let's look at the conspiracies, Conjecture, half truths and outright lies based upon observations done by individuals and the initial media chaos during the first days after the shooting.

 

of course the media is going to get it wrong, they're not CSI's or detectives, they operate based on observations, often second or third party ones because the first party is either a) Dead or b) protected by police due to a fragile emotional state.

 

I'll listen to the professional using logic than the "truth seeker" using half truths

[FAH-Q]

You can't say there is nothing sketchy going on behind closed doors with this govt.