They released a lot more GTA games in the past.

[Zee]

 

At this point in marketing, I expected to get a lot more V info, more often than we are.

This something isn't right.

im not so sure

 

Its a Grand Theft Auto game, with the power of the GTA brand, i think that rockstar are in the unique position that they can release information when ever they want, and they dont need to have numerous trailers and information and gameplay vids to market this game.

 

Think of Apple, they announce new products and release them 2-3 weeks after the announcement purely because of the Apple brand because people will buy it and i think thats very similar when it comes to GTA games.

oh yes. Id love it if Rockstar were more like Apple.

[EnviousBird]

But the point is that a new GTA should be released at least every two years. That's why I said Rockstar dropped the ball.

No, you're totally wrong.

Games nowadays take way longer to make than in the past.

The quality of the GTA games would drop to CoD level if they'd release them every 2 years.

 

[Zee]

 

But the point is that a new GTA should be released at least every two years. That's why I said Rockstar dropped the ball.

No, you're totally wrong.

Games nowadays take way longer to make than in the past.

The quality of the GTA games would drop to CoD level if they'd release them every 2 years.

I keep hearing this argument...its an interesting one. Ive never heard of people glad an album/tv/movie is delayed before. It only seems to happen in the games industry full of young impressionable youths which the game companies can easily pull the wool over their eyes. I'm going to wait and see how gtaV is, and if its not the best game ever (really it should be after 5 years), then this argument will be invalid.

[EnviousBird]

 

But the point is that a new GTA should be released at least every two years. That's why I said Rockstar dropped the ball.

No, you're totally wrong.

Games nowadays take way longer to make than in the past.

The quality of the GTA games would drop to CoD level if they'd release them every 2 years.

I keep hearing this argument...its an interesting one. Ive never heard of people glad an album/tv/movie is delayed before. It only seems to happen in the games industry full of young impressionable youths which the game companies can easily pull the wool over their eyes. I'm going to wait and see how gtaV is, and if its not the best game ever (really it should be after 5 years), then this argument will be invalid.

First of all, GTA V has never been delayed, they've listed Spring 2013 as a release date, and they didn't change that so far.

Second, i really don't understand why anyone would wanna have new GTA games as quick as possible, this isn't CoD.

Also, "the best game ever" is a matter of opinion.

 

Edit: nvm, didn't see it was Zee commenting, he's just sh*tposting as usual.

[Have Mercy]

Lol I'm saying this without reading the entire topic, but I'm sure someone already posted that III vs IV script image..

[Celticfang]

At this point in marketing, I expected to get a lot more V info, more often than we are.

This something isn't right.

im not so sure

 

Its a Grand Theft Auto game, with the power of the GTA brand, i think that rockstar are in the unique position that they can release information when ever they want, and they dont need to have numerous trailers and information and gameplay vids to market this game.

 

Think of Apple, they announce new products and release them 2-3 weeks after the announcement purely because of the Apple brand because people will buy it and i think thats very similar when it comes to GTA games.

oh yes. Id love it if Rockstar were more like Apple.

Slaving fanboys? Hive mind? Have to crack it to do what you want?

 

Oh, wait....

[Zee]

But the point is that a new GTA should be released at least every two years. That's why I said Rockstar dropped the ball.

No, you're totally wrong.

Games nowadays take way longer to make than in the past.

The quality of the GTA games would drop to CoD level if they'd release them every 2 years.

I keep hearing this argument...its an interesting one. Ive never heard of people glad an album/tv/movie is delayed before. It only seems to happen in the games industry full of young impressionable youths which the game companies can easily pull the wool over their eyes. I'm going to wait and see how gtaV is, and if its not the best game ever (really it should be after 5 years), then this argument will be invalid.

First of all, GTA V has never been delayed, they've listed Spring 2013 as a release date, and they didn't change that so far.

Second, i really don't understand why anyone would wanna have new GTA games as quick as possible, this isn't CoD.

Also, "the best game ever" is a matter of opinion.

 

Edit: nvm, didn't see it was Zee commenting, he's just sh*tposting as usual.

The financial predictions made it clear they intended to release gta5 before 2013. The fact that you tout the company line so religiously makes me realize you are one of aforementioned young impressionable youth that easily lets the wool be pulled over their eyes.

[Magic_Al]

But the point is that a new GTA should be released at least every two years. That's why I said Rockstar dropped the ball.

No, you're totally wrong.

Games nowadays take way longer to make than in the past.

The quality of the GTA games would drop to CoD level if they'd release them every 2 years.

I keep hearing this argument...its an interesting one. Ive never heard of people glad an album/tv/movie is delayed before. It only seems to happen in the games industry full of young impressionable youths which the game companies can easily pull the wool over their eyes. I'm going to wait and see how gtaV is, and if its not the best game ever (really it should be after 5 years), then this argument will be invalid.

First of all, GTA V has never been delayed, they've listed Spring 2013 as a release date, and they didn't change that so far.

Second, i really don't understand why anyone would wanna have new GTA games as quick as possible, this isn't CoD.

Also, "the best game ever" is a matter of opinion.

 

Edit: nvm, didn't see it was Zee commenting, he's just sh*tposting as usual.

The financial predictions made it clear they intended to release gta5 before 2013. The fact that you tout the company line so religiously makes me realize you are one of aforementioned young impressionable youth that easily lets the wool be pulled over their eyes.

Yep. The first external indication that GTAV had an internal release timeframe was when Take-Two mentioned projected fiscal 2013 earnings of $2/share on May 24, 2011. This was understood in the context that only GTAIV ever made that kind of money, and only a new GTA could justify the forecast.

[gsbadreligion]

I mean think about it.

 

GTAIII came in 2001, then 2002 the next year immediately Vice City, 2 years later San Andreas, and 2 more years later Liberty City Stories. Next year, Vice City Stories.

 

Compare that to now. GTAIV was released in 2008, and finally this year (5 years later!!!) we get a new GTA on the console.

 

Rockstar really dropped the ball imo.

considering how much of a raise in the graphics and the new engine i can see it being longer, not really 5 years but it is hugely ambitious probably more than we will know until we pop in the disk.

[vivalavendredi]

I mean think about it.

 

GTAIII came in 2001, then 2002 the next year immediately Vice City, 2 years later San Andreas, and 2 more years later Liberty City Stories. Next year, Vice City Stories.

 

Compare that to now. GTAIV was released in 2008, and finally this year (5 years later!!!) we get a new GTA on the console.

 

Rockstar really dropped the ball imo.

Let's wait first if it was worth the wait - I'm pretty sure it will.

The improvements from 3 to VC were great, but lots of the stuff was already developed for 3 and wasn't finished (motorbikes, helis, etc) same with San Andreas.

IV was a really big step and I'm pretty sure the improvements (amount, depth) will be now much more bigger to V then comparing 3 and SA.

Also, as said, they've released the EFLC DLC and lots of other big titles in the meantime.

 

 

[Crumplet]

Alright, I see these threads too god damn often and It's starting to become a chore having to overview all these threads complaining about R* either not releasing enough GTA games, or their games not being large enough, detailed enough, etc.

 

First things first, R* are not a f*cking super-company who can just squeeze out new GTA titles every 2 years, have you even considered the immensity of hard work they've endured since 2008? Max Payne 3, Red Dead Redemption, The DLC for BOTH of those titles + GTA V, which is their most amibitious project since GTA III and you think they've "dropped the ball"

 

If anything, R* are on their game better than they ever have been, the quality of their games are rising significantly with each passing year and they've virtually revolutionized open world sandbox games, only to top it off with GTA V.

 

I mean, Jesus Christ man, how much do you seriously expect out of them? they are simply human beings, not specifically designed super computers who constantly work for your personal needs and desires, and you also seem to underestimate the overwhelming scale of what V is going to offer.

 

The fact it's their most amibitious, complex and time consuming project since GTA III says a f*ck-tonne of how large this game really is, in every possible sense.

 

TL;DR: Stop expecting such a ridiculous amount out of a video game company working incredibly hard on a game to 100% satisfy you, the god damn fan base. They aren't sleepless zombies with an incapability of mortal boundaries, they are human beings who are brilliant at their jobs working their f*cking arse off to provide the greatest possible quality video games to their fan-base.

 

Not to sound rude, but get your head out of your arse.

 

 

[YoungChrist]

But the point is that a new GTA should be released at least every two years. That's why I said Rockstar dropped the ball.

No, you're totally wrong.

Games nowadays take way longer to make than in the past.

The quality of the GTA games would drop to CoD level if they'd release them every 2 years.

I keep hearing this argument...its an interesting one. Ive never heard of people glad an album/tv/movie is delayed before. It only seems to happen in the games industry full of young impressionable youths which the game companies can easily pull the wool over their eyes. I'm going to wait and see how gtaV is, and if its not the best game ever (really it should be after 5 years), then this argument will be invalid.

pull the wool over your eyes? So why do they release games less often then? Is it so they can lounge around, be lazy and take big breaks???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHAT?????

 

Maybe if you said they dont release sequels to IP's as often to keep the series fresh but then again thats a mutual thing, I too would not like to see the GTA brand get dull because its released so often.

 

The reason these games take long to develop is because more time is put into them, simple is that. Nobody is "pulling wool" over anybodies eyes. The more successful IP's they make, the more money they make. The only plausible reason for them to hold out on sequels is to keep the series fresh (unlike CoD) and development times. I dont know what other possible explanation you could bring to the table.

[YoungChrist]

 

Alright, I see these threads too god damn often and It's starting to become a chore having to overview all these threads complaining about R* either not releasing enough GTA games, or their games not being large enough, detailed enough, etc.

 

First things first, R* are not a f*cking super-company who can just squeeze out new GTA titles every 2 years, have you even considered the immensity of hard work they've endured since 2008? Max Payne 3, Red Dead Redemption, The DLC for BOTH of those titles + GTA V, which is their most amibitious project since GTA III and you think they've "dropped the ball"

 

If anything, R* are on their game better than they ever have been, the quality of their games are rising significantly with each passing year and they've virtually revolutionized open world sandbox games, only to top it off with GTA V.

 

I mean, Jesus Christ man, how much do you seriously expect out of them? they are simply human beings, not specifically designed super computers who constantly work for your personal needs and desires, and you also seem to underestimate the overwhelming scale of what V is going to offer.

 

The fact it's their most amibitious, complex and time consuming project since GTA III says a f*ck-tonne of how large this game really is, in every possible sense.

 

TL;DR: Stop expecting such a ridiculous amount out of a video game company working incredibly hard on a game to 100% satisfy you, the god damn fan base. They aren't sleepless zombies with an incapability of mortal boundaries, they are human beings who are brilliant at their jobs working their f*cking arse off to provide the greatest possible quality video games to their fan-base.

 

Not to sound rude, but get your head out of your arse.

thankyou. Rockstar is arguably the best games developer in the industry right now and as I worry that them working on so many IP's will detract from GTA (which it doesn't astoundingly) these guys are complaining that they don't push out enough GTA's. What????

 

I mean, this also shows how much people dont appreciate how much effort Rockstar puts into creating a believable world. I mean.... Rockstar puts a lot into these games but its sad because a larger percentage of the fanbase just wants to just some cops and rob a bank. From burger shot, to vespucci beach, to weazel news... so much time and effort and people dont care

 

This forum.

 

 

Edited January 13, 2013 by YoungChrist

[gerardogilmour]

OP: quality over cuantity

[Andreas]

 

Yeah I don't think they'll be doing another RDR. Playing cowboy and riding through the desert was fun once, but got old later on.

That is your opinion but most likely not the way, Rockstar Games thinks about it. Red Dead Redemption was critically and commercially a highly successful game. The game sold 12.46 million copies according to vgchartz and Rockstar never expected the game to be that successful. Do you really think that Rockstar is not going to release another game of the Red Dead series when Red Dead Redemption was the reason why fiscal year 2011 was Take-Two Interactive's second best fiscal year in their entire history and Grand Theft Auto is the only game series that is able to surpass it?

 

 

EFLC is DLC. Both games are so short that calling them full-fledged GTA's would be an embarassment to the franchise.

GTA Episodes From Liberty City consists of two DLCs, The Lost And Damned and The Ballad Of Gay Tony, that is right but the scale of each DLC is truly massive considering that each game has new characters, new voices that of course got money for being actors in the DLCs, tons of new vehicles, new unique radio stations, new additional weapons, parachutes (in TBoGT), new storylines that have only partly something to do with the original game and so on. The scale of EfLC is massive and you could count it as a new game. It costed Rockstar Games (tens of) millions of dollars and it was sadly not that profitable for them because if it would have been profitable for them, then I'm certain that Take-Two would have published an extra report about it what they haven't done.

 

 

I keep hearing this argument...its an interesting one. Ive never heard of people glad an album/tv/movie is delayed before. It only seems to happen in the games industry full of young impressionable youths which the game companies can easily pull the wool over their eyes. I'm going to wait and see how gtaV is, and if its not the best game ever (really it should be after 5 years), then this argument will be invalid.

You can not compare the videogame industry with the music industry, that comparison is way too far stretched. It is much harder to create a game that is entirely in HD with people who are creating their own music right now. Look at the wording of my last sentence and you can see how weird it sounds, and then you know how weird that comparison actually is.

 

 

The financial predictions made it clear they intended to release gta5 before 2013. The fact that you tout the company line so religiously makes me realize you are one of aforementioned young impressionable youth that easily lets the wool be pulled over their eyes.

Yep. The first external indication that GTAV had an internal release timeframe was when Take-Two mentioned projected fiscal 2013 earnings of $2/share on May 24, 2011. This was understood in the context that only GTAIV ever made that kind of money, and only a new GTA could justify the forecast.

Yeah, the interesting thing is that Take-Two had these expectations until July 31st and then on October 30th they have decreased it significantly from $1.75-$2 earnings per share to $0.0-$0.20 earnings per share. They could have made that ammount of money/earnings per share within a week which means it would have been enough if GTA V would release on March 26th 2013 but now that the game has been delayed, and the release window is Spring 2013, the delay takes about two months if the release is in May.

[Flood]

You look it on the other side. Nowadays are many many many companies dedicated to money-making. You must be happy that Rockstar isn't.

As an example, look "Hobbit". THREE MOVIES. It is insane. Instead of making 1 good movie, they make 3. So it means 3 times more money.

[jamieleng]

At this point in marketing, I expected to get a lot more V info, more often than we are.

This something isn't right.

im not so sure

 

Its a Grand Theft Auto game, with the power of the GTA brand, i think that rockstar are in the unique position that they can release information when ever they want, and they dont need to have numerous trailers and information and gameplay vids to market this game.

 

Think of Apple, they announce new products and release them 2-3 weeks after the announcement purely because of the Apple brand because people will buy it and i think thats very similar when it comes to GTA games.

oh yes. Id love it if Rockstar were more like Apple.

I don't believe it, a comment from Zee I actually agree with.

 

Excuse me while I go have a lie down.

[GRINCH ASS BITCH]

Rockstar really dropped the ball imo.

That's 'cause you're dumb.

[thatstupidbug]

Someone answered to the OP with a simple "quality vs quantity". That's true, but releasing a game after 5 years, with little or vague information about the game itself, could be "dangerous".

 

I see a lot of people here that are buildings their expectation too high, they expect the "best piece of media in the whole universe", something that's simply impossible. It's a game, it will have its flaws, and I think it will still be pretty limited compared to what people things about the game.

 

The only way to avoid an annual release and keep the customers happy is to give them (us) more information and news (REAL information... Saints row the third was pretty bad at this), while supporting the game and the series constantly to keep us busy (I think Vice city "celebrations" weren't as big as the ones for GTA III)

[Crazyman2389]

Lol I'm saying this without reading the entire topic, but I'm sure someone already posted that III vs IV script image..

No one actually did so I posted a link to the picture though....and to stay on topic I think Rockstar is doing good not making games yearly. It gives me and my friends something to talk about and what we will expect to be in the next games they release.

 

 

http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/up...-Comparison.jpg

[Mister Pink]

I think they could really belt out a GTA every 3 years. It's not yearly and it's not a monstrosity of a 5 year wait. I mean I k ow its hard to make a HD world but the budget is way bigger than ever before. They lost their hunger. They're a success already. They don't need to prove anything any more.

[ill-thoughts]

i agree....for as long as theyve made us wait, they could atleast give us Venturas BUTTT NOOOOOO.

 

2018 is quite a long wait for the next GTA, some of us wont even be Alive.

[123-bob]

At this point in marketing, I expected to get a lot more V info, more often than we are.

This something isn't right.

im not so sure

 

Its a Grand Theft Auto game, with the power of the GTA brand, i think that rockstar are in the unique position that they can release information when ever they want, and they dont need to have numerous trailers and information and gameplay vids to market this game.

 

Think of Apple, they announce new products and release them 2-3 weeks after the announcement purely because of the Apple brand because people will buy it and i think thats very similar when it comes to GTA games.

oh yes. Id love it if Rockstar were more like Apple.

I didnt say i wanted Rockstar to be more like Apple, im saying that the GTA brand is huge much like the Apple brand, they can announce new products 2 weeks before release and people will buy them without huge multi-million marketing campaigns

[simonp92]

I think they could really belt out a GTA every 3 years. It's not yearly and it's not a monstrosity of a 5 year wait. I mean I k ow its hard to make a HD world but the budget is way bigger than ever before. They lost their hunger. They're a success already. They don't need to prove anything any more.

If you count EFLC, which I'm aware allot people doesn't, it's only been 3 years since GTA IV.

[OriZarhiKing5]

OP you are very smart.

[Mister Pink]

 

I think they could really belt out a GTA every 3 years. It's not yearly and it's not a monstrosity of a 5 year wait. I mean I k ow its hard to make a HD world but the budget is way bigger than ever before. They lost their hunger. They're a success already. They don't need to prove anything any more.

If you count EFLC, which I'm aware allot people doesn't, it's only been 3 years since GTA IV.

I see where you are coming from but I don't count it as a new GTA. At the time people seen it as generous DLC but realistically it was 'crappy' in between game until V. A new GTA is a new map and story.

[BUT THE BENZ]

GTAIV was released in 2008, and finally this year (5 years later!!!) we get a new GTA on the console.

Rockstar really dropped the ball imo.

That's because while you was waitin for V, R* developed two milestones in gaming history. They had things to do.

 

Namingly developing RDR and MP3. Now you may think that's not cool at all and that all you want is GTA V asap, but you gotta consider that the technical leaps and innovation found in those 2 games are GOOD for the production of V, they were/are vital key ingredients if you will.

 

So REALLY, R* did everything right. (No RDR for PC still makes my heart pain, but it is what it is and that's how it was supposed to be, I guess)

[Ferocious Banger]

I think they could really belt out a GTA every 3 years. It's not yearly and it's not a monstrosity of a 5 year wait. I mean I k ow its hard to make a HD world but the budget is way bigger than ever before. They lost their hunger. They're a success already. They don't need to prove anything any more.

Hell yeah! That'd be perfect!

[vince91]

something tells me it will be worth the wait.. the more complex a game is the longer it takes to do the programming. it's that simple.

[INEEDVNOW]

 

Quality > Quantity