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Cyberpunk 2077

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Slappy212

I want that purple car on the right. 

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Dryspace
28 minutes ago, DEADWOODZ said:

Now, i wonder if CDPR give us their take on the Senora Desert? I would love to see that!

If Night City is actually on the west coast, I think it would be the Mohave if anything, but nevertheless, I'm right with you on that one. For some time I have had an idea for an open-world game set in the Sonoran Desert, with biomes extending from the lower desert into the grasslands and pine forests of the White Mountains. Lots of amazing caverns to explore.

 

A big reason I thought the Sonoran Desert would be awesome is that it should be a lot easier to make it look extremely realistic compared to more lush environments, which require far more triangles to render accurately.

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DEADWOODZ

https://www.vg247.com/2019/06/17/cyberpunk-2077-badlands-nomads/

 

“You can be one of the nomads as a player and you can start there, being part of a family of the Nomads,” Sasko explained. “You could call them a tribe that is living in cars and they’re just driving over Badlands. They’re doing various jobs for fixers, and for people in the city, and doing various deals – I don’t want to disclose too much because not to spoil the story.”

 

Very interesting.

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Jason

Replay value in this game is gonna be off the charts man.

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Shaundi.
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nvm

Edited by Shaundi.

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Candy_Licker

Apparently they will show the demo presentation to the public at Pax (30.8-2.9)

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, DEADWOODZ said:

https://www.vg247.com/2019/06/17/cyberpunk-2077-badlands-nomads/

 

“You can be one of the nomads as a player and you can start there, being part of a family of the Nomads,” Sasko explained. “You could call them a tribe that is living in cars and they’re just driving over Badlands. They’re doing various jobs for fixers, and for people in the city, and doing various deals – I don’t want to disclose too much because not to spoil the story.”

 

Very interesting.

I love that. For someone who is into cars and spends most of my time in games travelling/ Driving around (as well as a fan of Mad Max). I can see myself playing as a Nomad on my first play-through. I was going to choose Corpo but this is more up my street. I'm in love with this Background System they have going on.

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Shaundi.
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These promo images keep getting better and better

 

>NEOKITSCH

 

The look of infinite wealth and vanity. Synonymous with luxury, it has been blossoming among Night City’s wealthiest elites – those who can afford to buy anything, who can afford to be anything they want to be.

 

9LiyYPV.jpg

 

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Zello

That fur jacket... is it April 2020 yet?

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Shaundi.

Unfortunately not yet 😤

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MostWantedMVP
Posted (edited)

I'm going to play as a Kyle Reese type character from The Terminator.

 

Image result for kyle reese the terminator 1984 gif Image result for kyle reese the terminator 1984 gif

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JC_HUMBLE

I just started The Witcher 3 for the first time! Because I want to get familiarise with CDPR style. Not a big fan of the controls but I'm really enjoying it overall. 

Really excited for Cyberpunk! 
 

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DEADWOODZ
Posted (edited)

This my dude right here.

 

Plissken - Escape from New York!

 

Would love to have a character based off this absolute legend!

 

 

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1 hour ago, JC_HUMBLE said:

I just started The Witcher 3 for the first time! Because I want to get familiarise with CDPR style. Not a big fan of the controls but I'm really enjoying it overall. 

Really excited for Cyberpunk! 
 

Yeah, take ya time and enjoy the story. I picked up Blood & Wine and Hearts of Stone dead cheap through Steam!

 

I'm on my second play through!

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14 minutes ago, DEADWOODZ said:

  Yeah, take ya time and enjoy the story. I picked up Blood & Wine and Hearts of Stone dead cheap through Steam!

 

I'm on my second play through!

Yeah. I got the complete edition on PS4 for $15. 

It's gonna be a long ride. Really excited.

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Shaundi.

So Mike Pondsmith speaks out about the fake outrage manufactured against this game and defends CDPR and 2077.

 

Personally, I find the criticisms of this game and the ridiculous smear that this game is transphobic and racist is all being done for nefarious reasons. Rock Paper Shotgun is pure garbage.

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-creator-mike-pondsmith-defends-2077-from-post-e3-criticism/

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TheSantader25

WTF? There was an outrage for THIS game? Seems like any "interesting" piece of entertainment is being criticized by stupid people these days. 

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Pesos

This one can be filed under the "manufactured outrage to generate views" category and wouldn't be an issue if the game wasn't as popular as it is right now.

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Slappy212

Lots of reaching by those cultural critics. Almost as if they don't understand that 2077 is a dystopia.

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Commander S

Eh, going to be the dissenting opinion, here: I thought that thing with the "mix it up" poster was a fair criticism - and even when the artist explained what she was trying to go for with it, I don't think she pulled it off, personally. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Felt a bit like the "no, see, it's satire!" defense, with the same problem: if you're doing the exaggerated version of something in order to make some kind of larger commentary on that aspect of society, but you fumble the point, don't make the framing clear enough, or don't exaggerate it to a sufficient degree, then ...all you're doing is replicating the thing. That's the point of Poe's Law - if your satirical version of something is indistinguishable from the thing itself, then don't be surprised if people can't tell the difference.

 

 

And while cyberpunk settings are dystopian to certain degrees, most (including the Cyberpunk rpg series) aren't Warhammer 40k levels of "everything is awful", where the overwhelming sh*ttiness of everything is apparent on it's face. Instead, they're more like exaggerations of modern society (or rather the Reagan era - although 'everything old is new again', nowadays, so that's more of an aesthetic difference), and like with the world we live in, subtly-sh*tty things can look perfectly fine on the surface, until someone points out the underlying problem (like all those oh-so-heartwarming stories you read about how sweet Little Jimmy generously sold all his toys to pay for his grandma's heart medicine - erm, that's not a feel-good story, that's a damning condemnation of your healthcare system, folks... :blink:).

 

So, if you've got stuff where not everything is uniformly sh*tty, and the stuff that is is barely different from stuff that's sh*tty in the here and now (stuff that, again, a lot of people don't even see as sh*tty unless you really point it out - and even then, some are still going to be fine with it!), you need to use something as a framing device to make people aware of the sh*ttiness. That's why stuff like Paul Verhoeven's movies are often about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the crotch - subtlety might mean people'd miss the point, and so the point gets made IN YER FACE WITH NEON LIGHTS, to really drive it home (even if that makes the fictional worlds seem more over-the-top and exaggerated as a result).

 

 

As it is, because in this instance the implementation was ambiguous, you've got the artist explaining that they were going for something imitating the way corporations co-opt and commodify things like sex-positive depictions of people (although in this case, I'd argue that corporations trying to do the "woke brand" thing tend to play safer and more 'touchy-feely' than the Cyberpunk poster), and maybe actually serve as a way to get the player to empathise with trans people as a result - but it's debatable how much can of that really can be read from the poster and the scant context in the game (including the behind-closed-doors E3 demo), particularly when you've got people who did see the demo with "lol - she got a dick!" as the only thing they got from it.

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Dryspace
Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Shaundi. said:

So Mike Pondsmith speaks out about the fake outrage manufactured against this game and defends CDPR and 2077.

 

Personally, I find the criticisms of this game and the ridiculous smear that this game is transphobic and racist is all being done for nefarious reasons. Rock Paper Shotgun is pure garbage.

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-creator-mike-pondsmith-defends-2077-from-post-e3-criticism/

 

Well, this is the first I've heard of this, but I can't say I'm surprised.

 

I really wish people would stop giving the time of day to these hateful bullies. An honest individual with a specific grievance can be engaged in good faith. He can be reasoned with. These are nothing but selfish, belligerent zealots; community agitators who have no use for fact or logic unless it accidentally benefits them. And their core position--that a person should not be able to make art that defies Ministry of Propaganda guidelines--is as hypocritical as it is indefensible.

 

Where is the fierce, unrelenting campaign to protect "freedom of expression"? We won't go into the dripping scorn with which those of the same persuasion treated people who dared take issue with the displaying of a crucifix soaking in a tank of urine as "art"--at the taxpayer's expense. Not to mention the supreme confidence with which this deliberately offensive act was performed in the first place (and is still displayed to this day). Again, with taxpayer money. I can't stand Catholicism--I'm simply making a point.

 

There is such a thing as 'non-news'. There is also such a thing as an opinion piece. And a hit piece. These are not news stories. These are not facts. These are nothing but attacks that are based at best on individual perspective and false assumptions, and at worst on lies. There is no reason whatever that something like this should be picked up and circulated among media outlets as a matter of course, as if it is legitimate prima facie. We can expect this among fellow-travelers in the media, but among the rest of us--especially game developers--there is nothing to do but ignore.

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Commander S
17 minutes ago, Dryspace said:

 

1. I really wish people would stop giving the time of day to these hateful bullies. An honest individual with a specific grievance can be engaged in good faith. He can be reasoned with.

 

2. These are nothing but selfish, belligerent zealots; community agitators who have no use for fact or logic unless it accidentally benefits them. And their core position--that a person should not be able to make art that defies Ministry of Propaganda guidelines--is as hypocritical as it is indefensible.



Thing is, I see too many people online take ANY criticism of things like games as just being from "zealots", regardless of whether there's any merit to the argument or not.

Not least because in a lot of instances, people aren't even engaging with the original criticism, but with what they think they heard/read. I saw a very good piece a while back that criticised how games need to "slow down the violence" - i.e., games try to copy the broad look/feel of film and TV, but instead of having the confidence to keep the stakes grounded and realistic, with fewer (but more meaningful) instances of combat, they have the player kill small armies' worth of faceless mooks, because that's just the groove publishers have gotten into, and it's rare to see people do something that isn't just adhering to that kind of safely tried-and-tested design formula.

 

It's a good point (IMO, anyway), and one with a degree of nuance. But you bet your sweet patootie that for some people, they didn't read it as 'don't just have endless boring shooting galleries where the stakes are meaningless' - they immediately mistook it as 'VIOLENCE IN GAMES IS BAD!' (because, yanno, they only got as far as misreading the headline... :rol:), and then 'VIOLENCE IN GAMES CAUSES MASS SHOOTINGS!', and 'GAMERS ARE EVIL!', and so on.

 

 

I don't entirely get why certain corners of gaming are so knee-jerk defensive about any criticism of the medium - or how people can't just agree to disagree, either. I've read some takes I disagree with, but I don't feel the need to declare that 'game journalists are just pushing the SJW (lolwut :sigh:) agenda for clicks' - you can just disagree without proving that the writer is a lying hack with a sinister alterior motive, and thus nothing they say is legitimate, and can safely be ignored. I see that kind of reaction online all the time, and it's just so ...well, childish is the word that comes to mind. And, again, defensive - why do certain gamers take everything like that as some kind of attack, rather than just a dissenting opinion? :dontgetit:

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Dryspace
Posted (edited)
59 minutes ago, Commander S said:

I saw a very good piece a while back that criticised how games need to "slow down the violence"...

...I don't entirely get why certain corners of gaming are so knee-jerk defensive about any criticism of the medium...

But that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

 

Perhaps you misunderstood me, and I'm open to the idea that maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I'm not talking about criticism in general--I'm talking about a certain class of individuals who attack specific games and specific people for an entirely predictable set of leftist complaints. Who make baseless, entirely illogical and frankly hateful accusations, via a website, or Twitter, etc.

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Commander S
10 minutes ago, Dryspace said:

But that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

 

Perhaps you misunderstood me, and I'm open to the idea that maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I'm not talking about criticism in general--I'm talking about a certain class of individuals who attack specific games and specific people for an entirely predictable set of leftist complaints. Who make baseless, entirely illogical and frankly hateful accusations, via a website, or Twitter, etc.



Well, in the context of Cyberpunk 2077, what I've seen of the recent controversy is people raising a possible issue*, and then fans rushing to shut it down, and paint the people making the criticism as having an axe to grind, because the game doesn't pass some "SJW" (lol) purity test.

 

That's why someone mentioning their misgivings with the portion of the demo involving the Voodoo Boys gang (for one thing, in at least one dialogue option, V mocks their Haitian accents, which ...okay, I really hope that when I play it, there's an option for my V to not be a dick like that... :turn:), and it's spun as a 'hate-filled attack on the game, on CDPR, etc.' - or alternatively 'fake outrage for clicks'**. It's always either one or the other, apparently...

 

 

*and again, it's not like everyone has to agree with those takes - but there's a difference between "eh, I think you're totally wrong", and "this is some anti-gaming SJW leftist trying to censor games with their Cultural Marxist ideology!", or whatever.

 

**and this one amuses me, when there's a whole slew of gaming YouTubers who pump out video after video on this kind of thing, milking the outrage (or the outrage about the outrage), and raking in the ad revenue/Patreon dollars, all while bemoaning sites putting out "clickbait" articles just to make money from hits/ad revenue...

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Dryspace
4 minutes ago, Commander S said:

Well, in the context of Cyberpunk 2077, what I've seen of the recent controversy is people raising a possible issue

Again, I'm not talking about people raising possible issues. That's an example of what I consider reasonable behavior. I'm talking about people attacking specific games and specific people for being "racist" or "sexist" or "homophobic", or "transphobic", or what have you. I have to be frank: It's hard to see how your take from my original post was that I abhor criticism and recommend that everyone ignore anyone who criticizes games. That's quite a misunderstanding, no?

 

4 minutes ago, Commander S said:

**and this one amuses me, when there's a whole slew of gaming YouTubers who pump out video after video on this kind of thing, milking the outrage (or the outrage about the outrage), and raking in the ad revenue/Patreon dollars, all while bemoaning sites putting out "clickbait" articles just to make money from hits/ad revenue...

I admit I'm not positive about what you are referring to, as I don't watch Youtubers, but you understand that there is a difference between talking about something and making vile, baseless attacks?

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MostWantedMVP
40 minutes ago, DEADWOODZ said:

So, apparently Cyberpunk 2077 will get expansions like The Witcher 3!

 

As expected tbh.

 

https://gamerant.com/cyberpunk-2077-expansions-dlc/

 

Yeah I think this was obvious, CDPR care about their customers, unlike most. I f*cking love what they posted on twitter that time. "We leave greed to others." 

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Commander S
4 minutes ago, Dryspace said:

Again, I'm not talking about people raising possible issues. That's an example of what I consider reasonable behavior. I'm talking about people attacking specific games and specific people for being "racist" or "sexist" or "homophobic", or "transphobic", or what have you. I have to be frank: It's hard to see how your take from my original post was that I abhor criticism and recommend that everyone ignore anyone who criticizes games. That's quite a misunderstanding, no?

 

I admit I'm not positive about what you are referring to, as I don't watch Youtubers, but you understand that there is a difference between talking about something and making vile, baseless attacks?



To be clear, I wasn't talking about you - I'm talking about the folks who are seeing articles or opinions on Cyberpunk 2077 that are critical of certain things they've seen, and blowing them out of proportion into merely "hate" directed towards the game, CDPR, etc., and that the people making those criticisms are doing so for malicious reasons, not because that's just their opinion on the issue.

 

And I get the difference between an opinion and a baseless attack - but I'm seeing too many instances of someone dismissing/reframing an opinion as a baseless attack. Someone pointing out that something might have unintended transphobic connotations isn't the same as baselessly accusing CDPR of being deliberately transphobic - but a bunch of people sure seem quick to conflate the two.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Commander S said:

...but I'm seeing too many instances of someone dismissing/reframing an opinion as a baseless attack. Someone pointing out that something might have unintended transphobic connotations isn't the same as baselessly accusing CDPR of being deliberately transphobic - but a bunch of people sure seem quick to conflate the two.

It's still not clear what about my original post you disagree with. While you make some good points regarding opinions and criticism, they address nothing I have said.

 

I too consider the dismissal without cause of opinions--and of course facts and logic--to be a problem. But I hardly think it's on the level of accusing others of being despicable people, and attempting to bully others into making art the way one demands it be made. Especially because, as I pointed out, these are the same people--yes, by and large--who have turned a deaf ear to offense--deliberate offense--when the petitioners happen to be a group they despise. In that case it's "freedom of expression", "If you don't like it, don't watch it", "Take your made-up morals and shove them", etc.

 

Anyway, sure enough, when I investigated the link posted by @Shaundi. (which I admit I wrongly did not do originally, simply trusting to the posted interpretation) I found exactly the illogical, reality-resistant accusations I referred to in the first place. As I said, a person with a specific grievance can often be reasoned with, but I assure you that I have found it almost impossible to engage in an honest, open discussion with those who make these accusations. And that is because they are not interested in truth, or in seeking resolution, but rather in confirming their prejudice, and ensuring their shoulderchips remain firmly seated.

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Jason

One of the reasons the transphobia issue in Cyberpunk 2077 blew up is because CDPR have a history with some questionable comments/jokes/whatever in the past. For some, the issue isn't that a game is tackling the topic but that CDPR in particular is tackling it.

 

42 minutes ago, MostWantedMVP said:

I f*cking love what they posted on twitter that time. "We leave greed to others." 

I know this is a rather cynical take on it and it is nice to have a dev not partaking in all that lootboox/mtx/pre-order bullsh*t but lets not pretend that comments like that are anything but marketing. It's the same reason why publishers are going out on E3 stages going "oh btw we don't have lootboxes", it's an ez cheer and not having lootboxes has become a selling point. What CDPR are doing is no different, really.

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Commander S
8 minutes ago, Dryspace said:

1. It's still not clear what about my original post you disagree with. While you make some good points regarding opinions and criticism, they address nothing I have said.

 

2. Anyway, sure enough, when I investigated the link posted by @Shaundi. (which I admit I wrongly did not do originally, simply trusting to the posted interpretation) I found exactly the illogical, reality-resistant accusations I referred to in the first place.

 


Ah - see, I think we're fundamentally coming at this from different angles, because (to go back to point 1 above), I've also read that link (2), and most of the things linked in the piece itself, and a bunch of other takes on Twitter, Reddit, other forums, etc., and I'm seeing a bunch more varied opinions than just "illogical, reality-resistant accusations". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


And again, some of it, I can see where it's coming from. Other things I'd put down to a lack of context, in a "wait and see" way - and there's a couple of specific things that are just people going off a misinterpretation (although one thing, about one of the gangs shown in the demo, would probably have been cleared up if CDPR wasn't being so cagey about spoilers - there's a bit of backstory between 2020 and 2077 that isn't clear at present, and it's obviously leading to some confusion and a lot of speculation). But nothing that comes across like just hate-fueled smears - sorry, but I'm not getting that at all.

 

14 minutes ago, Jason said:

1. One of the reasons the transphobia issue in Cyberpunk 2077 blew up is because CDPR have a history with some questionable comments/jokes/whatever in the past. For some, the issue isn't that a game is tackling the topic but that CDPR in particular is tackling it.

 

2. I know this is a rather cynical take on it and it is nice to have a dev not partaking in all that lootboox/mtx/pre-order bullsh*t but lets not pretend that comments like that are anything but marketing. It's the same reason why publishers are going out on E3 stages going "oh btw we don't have lootboxes", it's an ez cheer and not having lootboxes has become a selling point. What CDPR are doing is no different, really.

 


1. Yeah - it's the sort of thing that'd be a "whoops" for another company, but when CDPR already had to walk back their (now fired, IIRC) social media person indulging in some transphobic 'lol - memes' hoopla last year, it comes across as less "whoops", more "is this just a thing with you lot?" to people. After all, Ubisoft had an arguably more obvious version of the poster controversy with The Division 2, with some in-game street art of a cop, with a badge reading "FA6607" (yikes :blink:). But that went largely unnoticed compared to the Cyberpunk stuff, because that's more obviously just a gaffe that slipped through the net, considering how Ubisoft is more up-front about trying to be LGBTQ+-friendly on the whole.

 

2. Reminds me of what a veteran comicbook artist said about some of the younger guys in the '90s - something along the lines of (I'm paraphrasing wildly!): "Jack Kirby put out a dozen books a month, and that was just the norm back in the day - now, one of these kids actually manages to stay on schedule for one issue of one monthly, and they want a f***ing victory parade..." :p

 

That's the same as how I feel about "we don't have any pre-order stuff cut out and held to ransom", or "there are no lootboxes in our game" - how much of a mess do things need to be, for a company to do what should be the bare minimum of acceptability (and used to be SOP in the industry!), and treat that like something worthy of celebration - ? I mean, great that they're doing the right thing, but it's a damning statement about where things are, isn't it?

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