No easy day....a LT.'s story of Afghan

[Typhus]

Hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost to 'revenge' for 3,000 deaths at the WTC attacks. No doubt it was tragic, but what are more innocent deaths going to solve?

Invading Afghanistan was never going to solve anything. It wasn't going to remove the specter of terrorism that lingers over us, it wasn't going to transform Afghanistan into a thriving democracy and conventional wisdom would suggest that the best the Afghans could really hope for is a corrupt puppet government as opposed to a loose affiliation of religious clerics.

 

The only purpose it served was to exorcise the humiliation suffered in 9/11. Blood must be washed away with blood. Nearly 3000 people died in 9/11, so those attacks had to be avenged tenfold to reassert American dominance.

And the international community didn't mind, they were willing to offer Afghanistan as a sacrifice because of the horror of bin Laden's attack. Blood for blood.

 

The invasion was an act of revenge and as such the motives for being there continuously changed. First we were after bin Laden. Then we were trying to bring democracy to the nation. Then there was the war against the opium barons. We have no purpose there. No amount of sacrifice will improve the lot of the Afghans, there is no silver lining for them.

 

Once we go, Karzai will likely die and the Taliban will resume their stranglehold on the country. We simply need to find a way to leave without looking like we were driven out. If you want some purpose behind all the bloodshed, the best you'll find is that we have weakened al Queda and temporarily brought a secular government to a nation accustomed to theocratic governance.

[Stephan90]

 

Hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost to 'revenge' for 3,000 deaths at the WTC attacks. No doubt it was tragic, but what are more innocent deaths going to solve?

Invading Afghanistan was never going to solve anything. It wasn't going to remove the specter of terrorism that lingers over us, it wasn't going to transform Afghanistan into a thriving democracy and conventional wisdom would suggest that the best the Afghans could really hope for is a corrupt puppet government as opposed to a loose affiliation of religious clerics.

 

The only purpose it served was to exorcise the humiliation suffered in 9/11. Blood must be washed away with blood. Nearly 3000 people died in 9/11, so those attacks had to be avenged tenfold to reassert American dominance.

And the international community didn't mind, they were willing to offer Afghanistan as a sacrifice because of the horror of bin Laden's attack. Blood for blood.

 

The invasion was an act of revenge and as such the motives for being there continuously changed. First we were after bin Laden. Then we were trying to bring democracy to the nation. Then there was the war against the opium barons. We have no purpose there. No amount of sacrifice will improve the lot of the Afghans, there is no silver lining for them.

 

Once we go, Karzai will likely die and the Taliban will resume their stranglehold on the country. We simply need to find a way to leave without looking like we were driven out. If you want some purpose behind all the bloodshed, the best you'll find is that we have weakened al Queda and temporarily brought a secular government to a nation accustomed to theocratic governance.

The government of Afghanistan isn't secular. The country is an islamic republic. The president must be a muslim according to the constitution.

Also the western comprehension of democracy doesn't work in Afghanistan because people vote for the candidate of their ethnical group.

Edited January 10, 2013 by Stephan123

[Typhus]

The government of Afghanistan isn't secular. The country is an islamic republic. The pesident must be a muslim according to the constitution.

I always considered Karzai a secular leader by sheer virtue of who his predecessors were. Though I will concede that as his leadership progressed, he became more willing to return old religious laws to appease Taliban supporters.

[Stephan90]

 

The government of Afghanistan isn't secular. The country is an islamic republic. The pesident must be a muslim according to the constitution.

I always considered Karzai a secular leader by sheer virtue of who his predecessors were. Though I will concede that as his leadership progressed, he became more willing to return old religious laws to appease Taliban supporters.

The constitution from 2004 already made it clear, that it was never intended to turn Afghanistan in a secular country. No law is allowed to oppose to the policies of Islam.

[TheGodDamnMaster]

Like you say it as if these scurry terrorists just want to murder all our families for the hell of it, yet fail to realize you got shot invading their land by them trying to defend themselves.

Your total lack understanding of the complex geopolitics and strategic realities of Afghanistan makes you a completely laughable embarrassment.

Okay, then please explain why.

Which bit? My primary indignation was displayed at the idea that US got a violent response for "invading their land", which has absolutely nothing to do with the level of violence directed internally and at external powers currently in Afghanistan. People have very short memories and seem to forget the fact that Afghanistan was effectively in a state of civil war between 1989 and 1996, when the Taliban "officially" took power. Even after that point, Afghanistan has been racked with tribal and internal conflict, violence of just about every kind, blood feuds and all sorts of other unsavoury things. There have been many excellent books written that have examined the realities behind violence against the Coalition troops, and it has little if anything to do with individuals "defending themselves" against some foreign oppressor. It's basically a give-away for someone who isn't really versed on the subject matter at hand. For instance, if the Afghan people seek to resist an occupation, why is the vast majority of violence that occurs exacted by Afghans against Afghans entirely separate from the actions of either the Coalition or even agents or supporters of the Afghan government? This is a nation without real identity; like many regional powers nothing more than a loose conglomerate of tribes and factions that have been in a perpetual state of war for the best part of the last thousand years, if not considerably longer. To most groups in Afghanistan, the Taliban are as, if not more, alien than Western troops, especially this late on in the conflict- the Taliban only ruled for five years, and the current administration in it's various forms has ruled for around eleven. The issue is a lack of ethnographical understanding cuts both ways- those who try and argue that the operations of foreign powers abroad are unnecessary tend to imprint their own views on necessity onto their image of the adversary (or perceived adversary) and therefore are just as ignorant of the reality as the radical hawks, and in many cases even more so.

 

 

caused by us?

You either have a very poor understanding of causality or are deliberately distorting reality to make a point. Especially given that all estimates indicate violent death rates in the high hundreds to low thousands annually between the end of the Soviet occupation and the fall of the Taliban regime. In the context of recent Afghan history, the violent death rate in the last decade or so is actually lower than it was before.

 

Also, for the sake of perspective, it's worth mentioning that more civilians alone have died in the drug war in Mexico in the last five years than have been killed on all sides, both civilian and military, in the entirety of the approaching-12-year campaign in Afghanistan.

The more I read your post, the more I'm convince that you're a Ron Paul supporter. Why do you support him?

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

You do realize that none of that would've happened if you would've never joined right?

 

Like you say it as if these scurry terrorists just want to murder all our families for the hell of it, yet fail to realize you got shot invading their land by them trying to defend themselves..

 

No I don't respect you or anyone who condones to murder, no matter which way you were brainwashed into believing you were doing the right thing.

bullsh*t, the Taliban have done countless terroristic attacks against their own people when they took over the control and later, oppress women, pactice human trafficking and sexual slavery.

That's not the US' problem.

...until 9/11 when we had to chase that silly motherf*cker Bin Laden all through their mountains. Al Queada supported the Taliban too.

That was over 11 years ago. Bin Laden is gone, both of those organizations are falling apart or are already in shambles.

As the OP stated, this all transpired in 2007.

[Deffpony]

To the OP I would like to say thanks for your service. However some of your connotation makes you appear like the typical military jar head.

 

As a fellow veteran I understand SOME of the feeling toward the level of isolation in knowing that most people you come across never saw what you saw. But by no means does this give us the right to condescend to others by demanding respect for ourselves and ours alike.

 

Most military people have never gone through those things, you are right. But I was the first unit at the scene of the Haiti earth quake, and I dont tote that around in a manner of superiority.

 

Im not being a dick, I am just kind of over the typical military guy who feels he has to bring the military up in every aspect of life. I was in the military and I am proud of that, but I dont wave that flag at evert chance I get because that would make me very one dimensional. There are alot of things about me that have nothing to do with the military.

 

I play guitar, Im studying engineering, I enjoy quantum mechanics, and I love GTA. I dont have a military bumper sticker or license plate, I dont have a military avatar. I dont have a soaring Eagle tattoo on my chest.

 

I dont want people to look at me and see the army, marines, navy, airforce, or coast guard. I want them to see a squared away guy, who if they get to know well enough they will find out more about the military life.

 

Im sorry you lost some soldiers, and I appreciate your service for us. I just wanted to give my opinion.

[sivispacem]

 

The more I read your post, the more I'm convince that you're a Ron Paul supporter. Why do you support him?

I'm the exact antithesis of a Ron Paul supporter- in that I'm a strategic realist. His views on foreign policy are idiotic to the point of being flat-out dangerous and I honestly struggle to see how anyone with even the most rudimentary understanding of geopolitics would find them appealing. Truth be told, my views when it comes to foreign policy aren't reflected by lawmaker or political figure, but are summed up quite well by people like Nobel laureate Thomas Schelling, Stephan Walt and Hedley Bull, in that I feel the transition to liberalism in International Relations during the early post-Cold-War period was ill-thought-out and harmful for the strategic interests of the nations who chose that as a period to restrict the evolution of their military affairs, but at the same time I reject conventional/classical "Darwin" realism as a self-defeating zero-sum-game of escalating violence. I'm a proponent of avoiding Offence-Defence theory through strategic flexibility, combined diplomacy and power politics, and the maintainable of small, highly trained, technologically advanced and specialist "core" armed forces with a great deal of operational agility, backed up with much larger and much more broadly based "reserve" militaries which can be mobilised based on strategic circumstance.

[GrandMaster Smith]

The more I read your post, the more I'm convince that you're a Ron Paul supporter. Why do you support him?

I'm the exact antithesis of a Ron Paul supporter- in that I'm a strategic realist. His views on foreign policy are idiotic to the point of being flat-out dangerous and I honestly struggle to see how anyone with even the most rudimentary understanding of geopolitics would find them appealing. Truth be told, my views when it comes to foreign policy aren't reflected by lawmaker or political figure, but are summed up quite well by people like Nobel laureate Thomas Schelling, Stephan Walt and Hedley Bull, in that I feel the transition to liberalism in International Relations during the early post-Cold-War period was ill-thought-out and harmful for the strategic interests of the nations who chose that as a period to restrict the evolution of their military affairs, but at the same time I reject conventional/classical "Darwin" realism as a self-defeating zero-sum-game of escalating violence. I'm a proponent of avoiding Offence-Defence theory through strategic flexibility, combined diplomacy and power politics, and the maintainable of small, highly trained, technologically advanced and specialist "core" armed forces with a great deal of operational agility, backed up with much larger and much more broadly based "reserve" militaries which can be mobilised based on strategic circumstance.

I have a feeling he was more referring to me? Maybe idk.. lol

 

 

Anyhow I don't think we should muddy up this guys thread with debates over somewhat irrelevant issues.

 

 

I simply don't approve of murder. I could only ever kill somebody if it were out of self defense, and even still my intentions wouldn't be to kill but to disable them to take my life or my family's/friends life out of danger.

 

It takes balls to go out on a battlefield and face bullets zipping by, and I do give you that sir. It must be a tragic thing to have gone through that but life goes on and there's nothing that can be done to change what has happened.

[Cory_Micheals25]

To the OP I would like to say thanks for your service. However some of your connotation makes you appear like the typical military jar head.

 

As a fellow veteran I understand SOME of the feeling toward the level of isolation in knowing that most people you come across never saw what you saw. But by no means does this give us the right to condescend to others by demanding respect for ourselves and ours alike.

 

Most military people have never gone through those things, you are right. But I was the first unit at the scene of the Haiti earth quake, and I dont tote that around in a manner of superiority.

 

Im not being a dick, I am just kind of over the typical military guy who feels he has to bring the military up in every aspect of life. I was in the military and I am proud of that, but I dont wave that flag at evert chance I get because that would make me very one dimensional. There are alot of things about me that have nothing to do with the military.

 

I play guitar, Im studying engineering, I enjoy quantum mechanics, and I love GTA. I dont have a military bumper sticker or license plate, I dont have a military avatar. I dont have a soaring Eagle tattoo on my chest.

 

I dont want people to look at me and see the army, marines, navy, airforce, or coast guard. I want them to see a squared away guy, who if they get to know well enough they will find out more about the military life.

 

Im sorry you lost some soldiers, and I appreciate your service for us. I just wanted to give my opinion.

I know XD after reading the thing again it doe not even sound like me i guess i was just over come with the emotions of remembering that ON PURPOSE and writing it down.... You sound to be doing pretty good....it makes me happy, haiti was pretty bad... I'm laughing about what i say... i haven't really talked about it in so long...i guess 5 years of anger about that have exploded into one post.... and i think we will get along pretty well in the future (at least i hope) hmmm maybe yoga...or a steak...or get my own pet chop....or all 3

[Deffpony]

To the OP I would like to say thanks for your service. However some of your connotation makes you appear like the typical military jar head.

 

As a fellow veteran I understand SOME of the feeling toward the level of isolation in knowing that most people you come across never saw what you saw. But by no means does this give us the right to condescend to others by demanding respect for ourselves and ours alike.

 

Most military people have never gone through those things, you are right. But I was the first unit at the scene of the Haiti earth quake, and I dont tote that around in a manner of superiority.

 

Im not being a dick, I am just kind of over the typical military guy who feels he has to bring the military up in every aspect of life. I was in the military and I am proud of that, but I dont wave that flag at evert chance I get because that would make me very one dimensional. There are alot of things about me that have nothing to do with the military.

 

I play guitar, Im studying engineering, I enjoy quantum mechanics, and I love GTA. I dont have a military bumper sticker or license plate, I dont have a military avatar. I dont have a soaring Eagle tattoo on my chest.

 

I dont want people to look at me and see the army, marines, navy, airforce, or coast guard. I want them to see a squared away guy, who if they get to know well enough they will find out more about the military life.

 

Im sorry you lost some soldiers, and I appreciate your service for us. I just wanted to give my opinion.

I know XD after reading the thing again it doe not even sound like me i guess i was just over come with the emotions of remembering that ON PURPOSE and writing it down.... You sound to be doing pretty good....it makes me happy, haiti was pretty bad... I'm laughing about what i say... i haven't really talked about it in so long...i guess 5 years of anger about that have exploded into one post.... and i think we will get along pretty well in the future (at least i hope) hmmm maybe yoga...or a steak...or get my own pet chop....or all 3

Have a beer on me man. Welcome to the forums, make yourself at home, and be weary of the GTA V section.

[Cory_Micheals25]

To the OP I would like to say thanks for your service. However some of your connotation makes you appear like the typical military jar head.

 

As a fellow veteran I understand SOME of the feeling toward the level of isolation in knowing that most people you come across never saw what you saw. But by no means does this give us the right to condescend to others by demanding respect for ourselves and ours alike.

 

Most military people have never gone through those things, you are right. But I was the first unit at the scene of the Haiti earth quake, and I dont tote that around in a manner of superiority.

 

Im not being a dick, I am just kind of over the typical military guy who feels he has to bring the military up in every aspect of life. I was in the military and I am proud of that, but I dont wave that flag at evert chance I get because that would make me very one dimensional. There are alot of things about me that have nothing to do with the military.

 

I play guitar, Im studying engineering, I enjoy quantum mechanics, and I love GTA. I dont have a military bumper sticker or license plate, I dont have a military avatar. I dont have a soaring Eagle tattoo on my chest.

 

I dont want people to look at me and see the army, marines, navy, airforce, or coast guard. I want them to see a squared away guy, who if they get to know well enough they will find out more about the military life.

 

Im sorry you lost some soldiers, and I appreciate your service for us. I just wanted to give my opinion.

I know XD after reading the thing again it doe not even sound like me i guess i was just over come with the emotions of remembering that ON PURPOSE and writing it down.... You sound to be doing pretty good....it makes me happy, haiti was pretty bad... I'm laughing about what i say... i haven't really talked about it in so long...i guess 5 years of anger about that have exploded into one post.... and i think we will get along pretty well in the future (at least i hope) hmmm maybe yoga...or a steak...or get my own pet chop....or all 3

Have a beer on me man. Welcome to the forums, make yourself at home, and be weary of the GTA V section.

Will do will do.....and thanks...i'm going to like it

 

[GTA_stu]

According to this list of all U.S. service personnel casualties in operation enduring freedom (The Afghan War), there was only 1 death on January 9th 2008. That was the date of the attack right?

 

 

5 years since the day i lost my 9 of my squad members in a ambush

 

 

it was the anniversary of that attack yesterday (9th January)

 

So it was the 9th January 2008 then?

 

Or according to this quote it was 6 years ago and in 2007:

 

 

huh this was in 2007 and here, i killed both

 

And again, according to this list there weren't any deaths on the 9th January. In fact there were no deaths anywhere near that date in 2007. So whether it was 2008 or 2007, either way it doesn't add up to your story.

 

Have I got it catastrophically wrong here, or are you bullsh*tting?

 

 

[ryuclan]

I know it doesn't help at all with survivor's guilt, but at least you're alive. My mother and father are Army vets. Both served in Desert Storm and were deployed in various locations, none as dangerous as the middle east was a few years ago. My father got into a few situations while deployed, but he told me he was glad he did it and that it was the best choice he had ever made. Mom pretty much said the same thing.

 

 

Anyway sorry for your loss man, and I really hope you learn to not blame yourself. Although I do not approve of the war going on right now, I understand that being in the military is a job like any other job in that you do what you're told even though some times you don't want to.

[fridaynightscream]

 

So it's 2013, it has been 5 years since the day i lost my 9 of my squad members in a ambush. I remember it like it was yesterday....this is why i post it.

 

2:20-4:00 PM

Afghanistan, Kunar Province

 

We had heard of some gunfire in the past weeks at a village, we went to go to check it out..... Normal day, hot as sh*t, tired, suspicious.....  We had 15 men because the others were needed to stay at a past village to help unload some food and supplies to a rebel village.  Pvt. Frank went to talk to the leader of the village as we waited about 15 yards behind him.... S.S.D.D i thought... The man walked up with a big cloak and looked very shifty.... I knew something was up, the man produces an old Makarov and shot Frank.... Immediately we threw everything we had... I tossed three 9-bangers and some smokes at the gunmen that ran out from the houses. A buddy grabbed him and brought him back behind a rock outcropping we were now attacking from.  He had taken a hard hit to the top right shoulder, the medic worked hard to stop the bleeding....Then...sniper rifle shots cracked off, they were up on a nearby hill.  The rounds were armor piercing so we couldn't really take a hit and be all right. I heard a bullet hit.... it was Jason, hit throughout the neck...No suffering I'm glad...I radioed for everything that was in a 500 mine radius, an Ah-6 and a Huey Venom were available and spooling up ETA 25 minutes.... I saw a guy running weapons through the villages to give to the hiding terrorists....then i saw the worst thing you could see... a F*cking Stinger being held by a guy on the hill, the distinct outline clear i called and warned about it. "Bravo 1-2 birds grounded, no air evac until the stinger(s) are down" "Predator loaded with AGM's coming in 30, need to get up higher" I had to be a real leader now, no backup, just me and my team, time to kill these Al-qeada.... I had oscar put his M-700 on the hill...                 

After 4 shots, 3 down.... but as nothing is ever fair, an RPG rocket slams us into the ground....im not going to be to descriptive but i will say that it was that moment that i still remember today and haunts me.... I was in a blurry haze as i sprayed bullets with my M416 towards the oncoming attackers. Then I felt like someone was dumping water on me, it was my blood....I had a shrapnel to the lower torso from the RPG.  A free pass for life compared to the others. I still had to get the stinger... even if it would miss i would still be pissed i had let it fire. I had to know what was going on with my squad, i asked for a report from the medic....six wounded three K.I.A...... I was quitting after this if i was unlucky enough to live....I had more will than ever before in my life... I would hold a grenade in my hand before i would lose more men... "Bravo 1-2 predator 5 clicks out get to cover" "evac en route sit tight and defend extraction zone"  I will skip the next 10-20 minutes and tell you they were the worst of my life..

I had killed 13 people, took a gunshot wound to the hip, and lost 5 men over that day and night....the rest in surgery. A purple heart to all of my wounded men and me....i don't want it...i failed....but i keep it...to remember...

 

I now work as a security president for various companies that have work over-seas, its nice work....i have a wife and we will have a kid.....things are better. I still hate a p*ssy that says he was some badass that saved the world...when he did some half assed tour and only did it for the bragging rights....those people i hate, when they see real combat they change.....

 

 

A lot of Military people on here are lucky, they didn't have to do sh*t like that every other week.... Because this....this....is not good for anyone.....

 

 

So to people on here...respect people in the military....but you don't need to treat them like gods (i completely agree Deffpony)

So sorry that happened to you man. At least your fellow squad members died fighting for their country. Reading that kinda makes me hate myself for being a huge fan of COD games.

Edited January 11, 2013 by fridaynightscream

[Cory_Micheals25]

 

According to this list of all U.S. service personnel casualties in operation enduring freedom (The Afghan War), there was only 1 death on January 9th 2008. That was the date of the attack right?

 

 

5 years since the day i lost my 9 of my squad members in a ambush

 

 

it was the anniversary of that attack yesterday (9th January)

 

So it was the 9th January 2008 then?

 

Or according to this quote it was 6 years ago and in 2007:

 

 

huh this was in 2007 and here, i killed both

 

And again, according to this list there weren't any deaths on the 9th January. In fact there were no deaths anywhere near that date in 2007. So whether it was 2008 or 2007, either way it doesn't add up to your story.

 

Have I got it catastrophically wrong here<- this

Well only several were instantly killed, the rest at the surgery hospital...over the next few weeks due to complications with the blood levels and internal bleeding....

The attack is also still being investigated, it seems the Taliban had support from ******'s army so nothing is released as this would ruin the case file for disclosing evidence (death reports) wait, why am i disclosing this?

 

 

SECURITY BREACH 4-6-5-2 OPERATIVE BLOWN SENDING SQUADS-DEFCON 4 IS NOW EFFECTIVE-LAUNCHUNG ICBM's

 

 

"what the ****?" maybe i go to a restaurant for a while"......

Edited January 11, 2013 by Cory_Micheals25

[orbitalraindrops]

I don't beleive this, I'm sorry.

[sivispacem]

 

I don't beleive this, I'm sorry.

Yeah I have my suspicions thanks to Stu's investigative work and the fact that the OP is insisting several were killed. I'm also struggling to find any reports of mass-casualty attacks on patrols involving US forces in the timeframe which ended up resulting in 9 deaths. There's only one incident of 9 ground fatalities in the timeframe I can find, during the Battle of Wanat, and that was in July 2008 and not an ambush.

[Cory_Micheals25]

I don't beleive this, I'm sorry.

Yeah I have my suspicions thanks to Stu's investigative work and the fact that the OP is insisting several were killed. I'm also struggling to find any reports of mass-casualty attacks on patrols involving US forces in the timeframe which ended up resulting in 9 deaths. There's only one incident of 9 ground fatalities in the timeframe I can find, during the Battle of Wanat, and that was in July 2008 and not an ambush.

once again, they died over a period of time, several in hospitals, this is also still under investigation and not everything has been released to the public... I think it has been forgotten about and maybe they will reinvestigate...This was at a time when we didn't know pakistan's government was in on this....so we don't want to piss them off and say "Pakistan aids Taliban to attack US soldiers, provides weapons and locations of troops!" I still am not sure of everything... This was years ago so it's not perfect...

I will remove all things important if you like.

 

[sivispacem]

Having worked in conflict threat assessment, casualty prediction and operational analysis, I know how casualty figures are presented. Those who are killed by wounds sustained in combat after the fact are reported as having been killed on the day on which they were wounded. That's how death tolls are attributed to attacks.

 

Plus its been common knowledge that Pakistan has been providing material and operational assistance to the Taliban since pretty much the start of the conflict.

Edited January 11, 2013 by sivispacem

[The_Golden_Dude]

 

Having worked in conflict threat assessment, casualty prediction and operational analysis, I know how casualty figures are presented. Those who are killed by wounds sustained in combat after the fact are reported as having been killed on the day on which they were wounded. That's how death tolls are attributed to attacks.

It's not his dept. he wouldn't know about all that sh*t.... ......and do you understand CONFIDENTIALITY? Nothing big, just government secrets.....

 

[Cory_Micheals25]

Can we get rid of this topic? delete pls... its run its course....

 

 

 

You know what? I'm leaving this forum....

[sivispacem]

Having worked in conflict threat assessment, casualty prediction and operational analysis, I know how casualty figures are presented. Those who are killed by wounds sustained in combat after the fact are reported as having been killed on the day on which they were wounded. That's how death tolls are attributed to attacks.

It's not his dept. he wouldn't know about all that sh*t.... ......and do you understand CONFIDENTIALITY? Nothing big, just government secrets.....

Of course I understand it. But casualty figures for incidents are made public by the US Military even in circumstances involving Special Forces, much less regular combatants. If the OP was engaged in SF operations in Afghanistan he wouldn't be able to discuss them publicly because the government effectively holds monopoly on disclosure.

 

If the event had happened as the OP described it would be evidenced or referenced somewhere in the casualty stats. As it happens theres no year in the timeframe where the monthly casualties as reported for January are anywhere near high enough for the incident to have taken place. And if he's discussing non-disclosed SF operations he just committed a federal crime. Take your pick.

[Cory_Micheals25]

Having worked in conflict threat assessment, casualty prediction and operational analysis, I know how casualty figures are presented. Those who are killed by wounds sustained in combat after the fact are reported as having been killed on the day on which they were wounded. That's how death tolls are attributed to attacks.

It's not his dept. he wouldn't know about all that sh*t.... ......and do you understand CONFIDENTIALITY? Nothing big, just government secrets.....

Of course I understand it. But casualty figures for incidents are made public by the US Military even in circumstances involving Special Forces, much less regular combatants. If the OP was engaged in SF operations in Afghanistan he wouldn't be able to discuss them publicly because the government effectively holds monopoly on disclosure.

 

If the event had happened as the OP described it would be evidenced or referenced somewhere in the casualty stats. As it happens theres no year in the timeframe where the monthly casualties as reported for January are anywhere near high enough for the incident to have taken place. And if he's discussing non-disclosed SF operations he just committed a federal crime. Take your pick.

Thats the thing... I now realize i should NOT have realized those Stories....even though not 100% accurate... SO I WILL BE LEAVING YOU AND CHANGING MY NAME GOODBYE

[Brad]

Having worked in conflict threat assessment, casualty prediction and operational analysis, I know how casualty figures are presented. Those who are killed by wounds sustained in combat after the fact are reported as having been killed on the day on which they were wounded. That's how death tolls are attributed to attacks.

It's not his dept. he wouldn't know about all that sh*t.... ......and do you understand CONFIDENTIALITY? Nothing big, just government secrets.....

Of course I understand it. But casualty figures for incidents are made public by the US Military even in circumstances involving Special Forces, much less regular combatants. If the OP was engaged in SF operations in Afghanistan he wouldn't be able to discuss them publicly because the government effectively holds monopoly on disclosure.

 

If the event had happened as the OP described it would be evidenced or referenced somewhere in the casualty stats. As it happens theres no year in the timeframe where the monthly casualties as reported for January are anywhere near high enough for the incident to have taken place. And if he's discussing non-disclosed SF operations he just committed a federal crime. Take your pick.

Thats the thing... I now realize i should NOT have realized those Stories....even though not 100% accurate... SO I WILL BE LEAVING YOU AND CHANGING MY NAME GOODBYE

You don't come across intelligent enough to be a commissioned officer.

[sivispacem]

Based on scope of reaction, grammar and other factors, I'm estimating an age range between 13 and 15.

[The_Golden_Dude]

Based on scope of reaction, grammar and other factors, I'm estimating an age range between 13 and 15.

HMMM i was thinking like 14-17ish CAN WE CLOSE THIS THING?

[MIKON8ERISBACK]

It's beyond me as why some liberals like to demonize the military and make them look like the bad guys. People like to take incidents that have happened on the part of the US Military and blow them out of proportion, in other words: exaggerate the seriousness of the issue. You do have a point, without not just a military, but a strong, well funded one with a government that acts in the interests of the Good Side, the risk of future terrorist attacks is much higher. It's not so much 9/11 style attacks, it's other things, other things that I know for a fact that terrorists and terrorist sponsors have been exploring, like dirty bomb detonations (they are more popular with terrorists and terrorist wannabe's because the materials necessary are easier to come upon than what's required with nukes and require much less technical know how, although terrorist attacks and nuclear attacks from unfriendly nations are two different things). However the risks of both can be minimized by having a strong military. The military is not the evil superpower that the media and other people like to make it out to be.

 

Iran is a very unfriendly nation that may not hesitate to manufacture and use nuclear warheads if their controversial nuclear program allows them to. Why else would terrorist threats be made against a public showing of a documentary film on the subject?

[sivispacem]

Based on scope of reaction, grammar and other factors, I'm estimating an age range between 13 and 15.

HMMM i was thinking like 14-17ish CAN WE CLOSE THIS THING?

I have a suspicion you and the OP are the same person. Why else would you be so keen to see it closed? Personally I think it should be left as a monument to internet stupidity.

[GTA_stu]

Well I thought he sounded pretty suspicious when I first read his reply in the "know your neighbours" topic, when his post was just filled with pretty bizarre answers:

 

Forum Name: Cory_Micheals25

Real-life Name: Cory

Real-life Location: Palm beach, Florida

Age in Years: 25

Star Sign: WTF?

Weak Point: I remember my fallen brothers

Favourite Colour: Red

Favourite Number: 101

Most commonly used expletive: f*ck!

Drug Use? Past/Present/Future?: Once in Afghan drug raid as a dare

Car or bus?: F-250

Capitalism or Communism?: Capitalism

All work and no play....I don't play anymore

How much time have you spent incarcerated?: No.

Are you currently wanted by law-enforcement agencies?: No, I worked for them

Have you ever:

1. shoplifted? No.

2. sped? Yes

3. committed acts of vandalism? No

4. murdered? I called it serving your county

5. committed acts of terrorism?: No i killed them

Do you frequently think about doing any of the above? Which ones?: Yes, going back......

Are you an internet user or abuser?: User.

How many electronic gadgets are there within one meter of your current position?: Four

What is your most frequent typo?: whta?

How would you describe your social position?: Normal

How would you describe your life?: Pain and sadness after loosing your squad, but Ok

How would you describe yourself?: An ex-soldier with bad memories

Why do you keep logging on to gtaforums.com?: People that also like GTA, Friends i hope soon

How would you describe spam?: I don't care I'm not associated.

How would you describe this questionaire? (easy target): Good to know people better

 

Pathetic to lie like that in the way he did, and very disrespectful as well. I hope someone IP bans his cowardly little ass.