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Chunkyman

 

But as I see it I think this is something that should be regulated on a state level.

 

 

Agreed. States deciding gun laws is acceptable to me.

 

 

People will always want to get drunk and high or seek altered states of reality but I don't think many people feel the want or need to carry concealed, deadly weapons around other than a certain segment of the population who already do and are very vocal about it. You know what I mean, Joe? The black markets that are created aren't the same in my opinion.

 

While the black market for firearms would be smaller than for drugs, it would still exist. Ultimately, if people wanted to acquire guns they would be able to. Like drug usage, firearm ownership is going to exist no matter how strongly the government cracks down on it.

 

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IM_YOUR_GOD

So...So. Sad. cryani.gif

 

I hate to hear news of shootings that involve any innocents, especially children. Honestly the talk of gun control is futile and only exist as a scapegoat to the bigger issue of morals changing in America. 60 years ago you could buy a gun from a pawnshop without hassle and I don't recall any mass shooting of school children then.

 

This is why I believe/hope there's a hell for people like this.

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Adriaan

Just gonna leave this here:

 

Whenever it's a white person, they call it a "shooting". When it's Muslim, they call it a "terrorist attack" (Fort Hood shooting, 2009).

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IM_YOUR_GOD

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So freaking true!

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TEoS

 

Just gonna leave this here:

 

Whenever it's a white person, they call it a "shooting". When it's Muslim, they call it a "terrorist attack" (Fort Hood shooting, 2009).

ter·ror·ism -The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

 

The Fort Hood shooting was originally identified as "just a shooting" until the perpetrator's political ideology came to light. Since we don't know what this shooter's objective was beyond murdering children, it's a bit early to call it a terrorist attack.

 

Timothy McVeigh was white and he was referred to as a terrorist.

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Gtaghost22

Damn, this is so horrifying. What kind of sick f*ck shoots up little, innocent children? That is just f*cked up. confused.gif

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lil weasel

Typhus Posted: Friday, Dec 14 2012, 19:42 [] Given the high amount of crimes lax gun control has caused, what are the arguments against gun control?

Does it boil down to a simple matter of personal liberty? Or is the idea that personal gun ownership prevents the government from oppressing the people?

I'm not insulting anyone, I'm simply asking because - not to be disrespectful - but owning guns seems, at best, dangerous and, at worst, severely irresponsible.

I'd just like to understand why people want such awful weapons.

 

The Second Amendment doesn’t say anything about hunting or sports. It does allude to being armed for the necessity of common defense. As I’ve understood it the writers were fearful of a Standing Army, and overbearing Government.

As a minor proof of this is the ‘need’ of the peoples of the UK to beg for weapons for their homeland defense during the World Wars.

 

Typhus Posted: Friday, Dec 14 2012, 19:32 [] The problem is that juries don't seem to like acknowledging that some criminals are not responsible for their actions.

America can improve its psychiatric care all it wants, but that won't stop stupid jurors from ignoring evidence of mental illness and sending people to rot in a prison.

 

As far as bringing the perpetrator to justice? It is not the policy of Law Enforcement to have the perpetrator survive the incident. Trials are expensive and controversial. The proof is in the record of arrests.

 

sivispacem Posted: Friday, Dec 14 2012, 19:49 []I suppose that really you don't want gun control, but control of people who can access guns. Subtly different.

 

Guns don’t kill, People do.

 

We can learn a lot by looking at how many people don’t get killed by the state licensing drivers and registering vehicles.

 

flitcroft101 Posted: Friday, Dec 14 2012, 20:16[] How many more times before action will be taken against firearms? how many more motherf*cking times, how many more kids need to die? I realise someone who wants to do this could still easily access weapons but atleast put forth some effort.

From a person who isn’t allowed to own firearms it sounds like ‘sour grapes’.

 

 

We have gun control in place now. Laws exist that require that a person submit to a background check when purchasing a firearm.

If you wish to carry that firearm you have to test and pass a certification that allows you to do so. You must not have any history of mental illness before your score on that test or the fact that you went to a class even matters.

icon14.gif U.S. Citizens don’t just walk into Wal*Mart lay down the money and walk out with a gun. A concept that is lost on peoples of un-enfranchised countries.

 

If guns are banned, only the Government and other Criminals will have them.

 

Remember when a War-Lord raids a village and slaughters ALL the people, who cares? The WHO?

You certainly don’t see a topic opened on these forums.

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VitoJoe
Just gonna leave this here:

 

Whenever it's a white person, they call it a "shooting". When it's Muslim, they call it a "terrorist attack" (Fort Hood shooting, 2009).

True. I'm white by the way but no-one can really deny that this "shooting" would've been called a "terrorist attack" if a muslim have done it instead of a white (or black) american guy. anyway, this is indeed horrible but can anyone confirm if the guy was caught or not? I haven't read the whole OP, i just read the topic title and went straight to the last page (I know, I know..).

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GTAforthe21thcentury

Maybe the shooter died in a horrible gory way. His might have exploded like in gta vc.

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Hmmm nice bike

On CBS they're now saying the shooter is actually Adam Lanza, age 20. And his brother is 24 year old Ryan Lanza, currently in police custody.

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Schemer

Well there are so many news reports out right now I don't know how many mentioned this but the last I heard is that it was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school who was armed with at least one .223 caliber rifle.

 

Just putting it out their that a .223 is a pretty big rifle (same caliber as a M16) and well its the first time I hear a school shooting with someone using a hunting rifle or carbine. nervous.gif

 

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articl...chool-shooting/

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agent17

 

 

...and this is the problem with American media.

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Finn 7 five 11
On CBS they're now saying the shooter is actually Adam Lanza, age 20. And his brother is 24 year old Ryan Lanza, currently in police custody.

Why can't the media get sh*t right before jumping to conclusions? They just give the wrong people a bad name, they're so f*cking stupid.

 

That's like with the whole nurse suicide, the media said the name of who they thought was the nurse and put her photo in a newspaper, she started getting phone calls from strangers and everything. f*cking dumbasses.

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agent17
Well there are so many news reports out right now I don't know how many mentioned this but the last I heard is that it was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school who was armed with at least one .223 caliber rifle.

 

Just putting it out their that a .223 is a pretty big rifle (same caliber as a M16) and well its the first time I hear a school shooting with someone using a hunting rifle or carbine. nervous.gif

 

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articl...chool-shooting/

Meanwhile other news reports are saying he had an AR and a glock. The news outlets must be doing guesswork and passing it off as actual news.

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Typhus
All of you debating firearm control should feel ashamed. It's not even been a full day since the shooting, can you at least try to control yourselves? This is in reference to both sides of the argument, by the way.

I don't see why anyone should feel ashamed. Frankly, these issues need to be discussed.

Timing is irrelevant, really. People will get over this as they get over every other atrocity. But the issue of gun control is something which consistently inflames tempers.

The issue is a pertinent one and it's not insensitive to talk about it.

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Pyrrhic

Wow, this is f*cking terrible. Hope the killer died in pain. No disrespect, bit this is so much worse that it took place at a PRIMARY school. sad.gif

 

Those children have lost Christmas, friends, but worst of all probably a large chunk of their childhood.

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JOSEPH X

Yea, maybe with controlled substances but not so much with weapons implicitly designed to kill people.

When you make something in demand illegal, the only thing you create is a black market for the product. The government does not have magical powers, the intentions of laws do not equal results. The results of prohibition are always the formation of criminal enterprises that arise to meet the demands of people wanting the illegal items.

 

And since the vast, overwhelming majority of people who own guns aren't dangerous, what gives one the right to forcibly take away their possessions under the threat of imprisonment?

You can't equate guns to drugs. It takes a military industrial comlex to create and distribute lethal weapons, but just a few farmers and chemists to create drugs. There's no need to have lethal weapons so they should be banned.

 

It is really sickening, how can someone do this? The world is indeed f'ed up.

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Hmmm nice bike

 

On CBS they're now saying the shooter is actually Adam Lanza, age 20. And his brother is 24 year old Ryan Lanza, currently in police custody.

Why can't the media get sh*t right before jumping to conclusions? They just give the wrong people a bad name, they're so f*cking stupid.

 

That's like with the whole nurse suicide, the media said the name of who they thought was the nurse and put her photo in a newspaper, she started getting phone calls from strangers and everything. f*cking dumbasses.

That's exactly what this reminded me of. It's like they Google the name or look for it on Facebook and they just pick whoever, whether it's really the correct person or not. That Facebook account did state that he was from Newport, and lived in Hoboken. Hoboken is where there is currently another investigation going on, so that may be his brother.

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Adriaan

 

 

...and this is the problem with American media.

Lemme guess, you found on reddit? I didn't even check reddit and assumed you found it there. Each time there's a shooting, this is the #1 video on reddit.

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agent17

 

 

...and this is the problem with American media.

Lemme guess, you found on reddit? I didn't even check reddit and assumed you found it there. Each time there's a shooting, this is the #1 video on reddit.

That's kind of presumptuous. Either way the video holds true.

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Kirsty
That's exactly what this reminded me of. It's like they Google the name or look for it on Facebook and they just pick whoever, whether it's really the correct person or not. That Facebook account did state that he was from Newport, and lived in Hoboken. Hoboken is where there is currently another investigation going on, so that may be his brother.

There's also some kid on Twitter with the same name (Ryan) who's getting spammed and has nearly 5000 followers. And now it's apparently Adam instead. Who released his name in the first place?

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Schemer

 

Well there are so many news reports out right now I don't know how many mentioned this but the last I heard is that it was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school who was armed with at least one .223 caliber rifle.

 

Just putting it out their that a .223 is a pretty big rifle (same caliber as a M16) and well its the first time I hear a school shooting with someone using a hunting rifle or carbine.  nervous.gif

 

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articl...chool-shooting/

Meanwhile other news reports are saying he had an AR and a glock. The news outlets must be doing guesswork and passing it off as actual news.

Typical, much like the video you posted. Media always makes things worst... I mean the caliber has alot to do with it and if the news just start throwing out randoms numbers it really tends to f*ck things up.

 

It was the same way where I live, a few months back two police officers got gunned down and the news started throwing out all theses guesses like the gunmen was members of a KKK group and that they had stock piles of weapons and so one... had people freaking out for weeks man.

 

Ended up to be a few guys who was laded off of work... bored.gif (or at least that what one news report stated.)

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Hmmm nice bike
There's also some kid on Twitter with the same name (Ryan) who's getting spammed and has nearly 5000 followers. And now it's apparently Adam instead. Who released his name in the first place?

Who released Ryan's name? It was either CNN or Fox News Channel. But CBS is who is saying that it's Adam, and they just showed video from Hoboken that shows his brother with a cop, and it looks like the guy from that Facebook account.

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lil weasel

WoW... I just heard the news reader say that he had a "Two Hundred and Twenty-Three Caliber Rifle".

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Chunkyman

 

There's no need to have lethal weapons so they should be banned.

 

 

No one needs a car capable of going over 70 mph, so they should be banned. No one needs violent video games, so they should be banned. No one needs candy, so it should be banned. See how stupid and authoritarian that kind of argument is?

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jlamay

Simply terrifiying. I feel soo sorry for the kids and adults that, I am sure were scared & had to go through this.

 

Thoughts and prayers go out to the families.

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Mr.Mister

I can't even say anything worthwhile. Oh my god.

 

 

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Schemer
We live in a messed up society, just about every other month the same story goes across the news. Its ridiculous.

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Pyrrhic
There's no need to have lethal weapons so they should be banned.

 

 

No one needs a car capable of going over 70 mph, so they should be banned. No one needs violent video games, so they should be banned. No one needs candy, so it should be banned. See how stupid and authoritarian that kind of argument is?

To be fair though, candy and guns are quite different things.

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EscoLehGo

 

...and this is the problem with American media.

Lemme guess, you found on reddit? I didn't even check reddit and assumed you found it there. Each time there's a shooting, this is the #1 video on reddit.

Oh, the irony.

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