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Commander S

Yup! :) He's on some, Kenny Kirkland's on a bunch of others, and IIRC, Dave Benoit also (think Dave Grusin actually plays on a few, too - he co-produced it, and did some of the arrangements).

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mr quick

Oh man, Grusin is one of my all-time favorites. Love seeing him play with Ritenour. Can't believe the guy is 81. I can only dream to live as long, let alone keep the same dexterity!

 

Speaking of Ritenour, I'm getting tickets tomorrow to see him live in February :D

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mr quick

^ Got tickets :sly:

 

 

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DaWiesel

So, guys, I have a question. Which sub-genre of Jazz does this song belong to? Nu Jazz maybe? I don't listen to Jazz music at all but I really like this one.

 

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mr quick

I won't disagree with "Nu Jazz".

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Zapp

 

 

Found this while searching for Cal Tjader - Tokyo Blues.

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mr quick

^ do you think Davis took some inspiration from Ornette Coleman?

 

 

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Zapp

^ do you think Davis took some inspiration from Ornette Coleman?

 

I don't really know tbh.. He never said anything good about Ornette's music.

 

A quote from his 1968 blindfold test:

 

"I know who it is - Ornette, f*cking up the trumpet and the alto. I don't understand that jive at all. The guy has nice rhythm on saxophone.

People are so gullible - they go for that - they go for something they don't know about.

 

Feather: Why do you think they go for it?

 

Davis: Because they feel it's not hip not to go for it. But if something sounds terrible, man, a person should have enough respect for his own mind to say it doesn't sound good. It doesn't to me, and I'm not going to listen to it. No matter how long you listen to it, it doesn't sound any good. Anyone can tell that guy's not a trumpet player - it's just notes that come out, and every note he plays, he looks serious about it, and people will go for it - especially white people. They go for anything. They want to be hipper than any other race, and they go for anything ridiculous like that."

 

http://www.forghieri.net/jazz/blind/Davis_4.html

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Commander S

Thing is, the whole 'time, no changes' approach to Free Jazz can largely be traced back to Ornette - and 'time, no changes' is a big aspect of the Miles '60s quintet sound, and his own improvisation from then on, even if he wouldn't ever call his music 'free', or claim to be influenced by Ornette Coleman and co. Whether that's Miles maintaining his image*, or (more likely, considering how musical ideas percolate) Miles being influenced by people ...who were influenced by Ornette, is open to debate - !

(bit like how Wynton Marsalis reinvented himself as the epitome of modern traditionalism, with his bio in the Ken Burns documentary proudly declaring that "his playing is firmly rooted in bop and hard bop and makes no use of free-jazz elements" - actual quote! Which is ...clearly untrue, because his biggest influence is that aforementioned '60s Miles sound, making huge use of 'time, no changes' and likewise chromaticism to the point of atonality over changes - and both of those are basically the two main aspects of Free Jazz improv that have seeped into more widespread Jazz usage, so...)

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mr quick

True, I usually do take Davis with a grain of salt - He was an asshole just to be an asshole :lol:

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Commander S

Nearest thing I'm doing to a 'New Year's resolution' this year? Making my 2016 sound a lot like this:

 

 

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Zapp

 

 

edit:

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Double post

 

 

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mr quick

quoting just to get your attention

 

 

What are your thoughts on fusion? As you know I'm mad into jazz music in general but I find that fusion often permits for a more expressive mood such as these two:

 

 

 

IDK and I don't want to ramble. Traditional jazz relies on somewhat more strict "guidelines" such as functional turnarounds and straight 16th/8th soloing (depending upon tempo) rooted in typical licks and melodic jazz minor scale patterns. I love that too, but on nights like this there's something in the air that can't really be captured with the true-to-form type jazz.

I seem to recall you posting some trippy sh*t a while back. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing some more fusion :music:

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Zapp

I've been listening to the Modern Jazz Quartet a lot lately.

 

 

 

 

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mr quick

Great music. Milt was great. He's on SO MANY jazz records.

 

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Man, the Ritenour concert was f*cking sick. Still kinda excited about it. It's a big jazz stage and in the months to come it will feature Dr. Lonnie Smith and also Christian McBride.

At first I was disappointed that there weren't actually seats, but quickly realized that it meant I could stand by the guard rail right at the very front. My father and I were very early and quick to take our spots at the very front-mid. We're not shy. Two other people stood there, a man who looked eerily like a taller and less crazy Tom Cruise, and his son. We got to talking. Turns out I'm not alone in my adoration of early jazz fusion, like Weather report. Turns out the Cruise-man had owned a modified Rhodes Mark V. We chatted up to the start of the concert. Too bad I didn't get their names.

 

VEiKSSp.png?1(me at the very front, my father in the cap right next to me)

 

Mr. Ritenour said hello how are you and joked about how beautiful this place was. Some of my peers would disagree but then again some people live on Barbados. He said "alright" and they hit it. Good god, I haven't heard musicianship like that in a long, long time. Unfortunately the piano was too low for the first couple of tunes, which obviously agitated Melvin Davis, who kept signaling to the sound guy. They call him "Feedback-Tom" at the club :p

 

The whole concert felt like an infinite crescendo. When they got to "Stolen Moments", everyone lost their sh*t at Davis' soloing. He opened the solo with complete minimalism. Wesley Ritenour keeping the beat steady on the hi-hat, he'd play short and sweet melodic phrases. Then, he got into the straight bebop-style soloing. Playing at Jack Zucker speeds(on a 7-string bass!!!) while also scatting without any imperfections, good god what a musician.

 

At the end of the concert, we clapped them on for encores; "Pals"(Practice all lines slowly) and the old hit, "Rio Funk", both of which were absolutely on fire!

 

Ritenour was impeccable as always. I was close enough to hear him grunt like Oscar Peterson used to. Rit used a plethora of sounds and proccessing tools, which was cool because just the day before I'd met him and asked him if the shift from the aforementioned style&soundss(in the 80's) to a more traditional tone was a conscious choice.

 

Jesse Milliner was an apt pianist and a fine choice. My only complaint would be that he played a lot of "stuff", as Larry Carlton so eloquently put it at a clinic I attended in 2012. Lots of incredible fast lines, but there were more possibilities from an expression standpoint imo. That said, he had some incredibly cheeky alterations and dissonances he'd play which were fantastic and unlike any Rit music I've ever heard. Definitely an incredibly talented pianist.

 

The great Melvin Davis oozed of musicianship throughout. His solos were frankly mind-blowing and never before have I heard so much expression coming from an electric bass. Aside from these sick solos, he also laid down some of the coolest grooves I've ever heard. It was much thanks to him that I felt a compulsion to bob my head on the backbeat, as did most of the audience. Really an incredible musician.

 

Wesley Ritenour's live debut as a drummer was on this tour, and I was impressed with what he did. He followed signals and dynamics to a tee and did some great "responses" to the others' solos. His own solos were good too, although sometimes they lacked rhythmic consistency. Great for a debuting player with such an amazing band. If he keeps at it he'll definitely become a big player.

 

We were also lucky enough to experience some improvised interludes and endings. The way they called and responded was amazing. At some points they were just screwing around and laughing, it was fantastic. It's so great to see how musicians respond and interact with eachother. It was obvious that there was an unspoken consensus on how the music should sound, and in turn it was consistently amazing.

 

Man, what a great concert!

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Zapp

Everybody loves the sunshine.

Sounds way better without the synth used in the original song.

 

 

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mr quick

I looked up the original version, cool stuff. I love how quickly the synths go out of tune :lol:

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Zapp

The demo is even better:

 

 

 

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mr quick

might this obscure norwegian jazz tune be based on something american?

 

 

I know he did a norwegian version of some sinatra tunes but I haven't yet recognized this one

 

e: from the same album:

 

 

 

really laid back swing, but with a dope interlude at 1:10

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mr quick

Alright guys pack it up, this happened:

 

 

Pat Metheny and Donald Fagen; my two biggest heroes.

HOLY CRAP! FM LIVE! WITH PAT METHENY PLAYING A ROLAND GR-300 SOLO! Jesus Christ!

 

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michael brecker with mike stern

 

 

 

brecker's solo is f*cking insane

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mr quick

jazzbaltica 1992

imo that's the greatest tone JP ever had. Custom one-off ES-175 with the pickup moved closer to the fretboard, like on an L4-CES

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in stead of the traditional ES-175 position:

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so you get the "warmth" of an L4-CES but the (relative)feedback resistance and "thunk" of an ES-175. I wonder why they never made it into a production model? Gibson Custom Shop ES-175 Joe Pass and so on.

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