Why can't rockstar just have one universe?

[jnzooger]

Take two shows from the same creator, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly. These are different stories from the same person. Should they have the same characters and locations?

 

GTA1, GTA2, the GTAIII-saga, and the GTAIV-saga were all separate stories that happened to intertwine by the use of in world branding. This happens all the time. Like my previous example of Buffy and Firefly, Joss Whedon has certain things he does in all his shows: http://www.whedon.info/Know-Your-Joss-Whedon-How-Buffy.html

 

Beyond that, things from one saga of story simply don't have to exist in others. Sometimes they do, but most times they don't. They even treat real life as a separate story, crossing over with by way of comedians and musicians.

[Ryanbashaw]

[tenpennyisplainevil]

I still don't understand it why people keep calling it HD. The textures have been improving all the way from GTA 1, so every bloody GTA could be a HD for it's time.

 

If anything, it a multipolygon universe.

Look at you trying to sound smart

[LTA1992]

Really, those words right there should have obliterated this question a LONG TIME AGO.

[Freedomofspeech916]

It's not impossible to re-create a character from the previous generation of gaming into current gen. Look at Max Payne for example. They can do the same with CJ, Tommy or any other previous characters. But instead of trying to live up to the hype of those characters, they just give us the separate universe BS. There is nothing stopping them from re-making a black man that looks like CJ, and then hire Young Maylay to do the voice. That isn't outside of the realm of possibility but R* acts like it is.

Edited November 25, 2012 by Freedomofspeech916

[LTA1992]

It's not impossible to re-create a character from the previous generation of gaming into current gen. Look at Max Payne for example. They can do the same with CJ, Tommy or any other previous characters. But instead of trying to live up to the hype of those characters, they just give us the separate universe BS. There is nothing stopping them from re-making a black man that looks like CJ, and then hire Young Maylay to do the voice. That isn't outside of the realm of possibility but R* acts like it is.

Max Payne is different, it's the story of 1 man so of course characters from the previous games could make a return.

[jnzooger]

It's not impossible to re-create a character from the previous generation of gaming into current gen. Look at Max Payne for example. They can do the same with CJ, Tommy or any other previous characters. But instead of trying to live up to the hype of those characters, they just give us the separate universe BS. There is nothing stopping them from re-making a black man that looks like CJ, and then hire Young Maylay to do the voice. That isn't outside of the realm of possibility but R* acts like it is.

Max Payne is its own self contained saga over many hardware generations. You wouldn't expect to see any GTA characters in Max Payne would you? So why should you expect to see a GTAIII-saga character in GTAIV?

[Jalaldinhoo]

We have to move on eventually, WHY CAN'T MY PS2 PLAY PS3 GAMES?

I loled

[faizanali]

[Zee mode on]

Because the guys at Rockstar are lazy and they don't want to redesign old characters.

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[Los Santos citizen]

It causes problems that would be fixed if they just didn't continue the same series

[tenpennyisplainevil]

They do it because their stories aren't based on the characters life, but their situation. They wanted to do an 80's Miami and a 90's California setting, but now that they're done with that they've killed off the characters as well. Their aim is to create variety and make their games as different as possible, character development through multiple games requires to have the same setting. If they would've developed CJ's character through another game for example, say hello to multiple games of the same map, the same protag, the same kind of story, the same setting (gang culture).

Instead, every game has it's own, unique setting. In every "era" they go around every currently known city. The reason they have a different universe through every "era" is because it's inevitable to have to include older characters into the game if they don't. It's impossible to return to LS without including CJ for example. That's why they do every city once per universe. A fresh start, a fresh story, a fresh setting, no older setting ruining it with repetitiveness.

[Lioshenka]

I still don't understand it why people keep calling it HD. The textures have been improving all the way from GTA 1, so every bloody GTA could be a HD for it's time.

 

If anything, it a multipolygon universe.

Look at you trying to sound smart

Well, explain then.

[cp1dell]

 

I still don't understand it why people keep calling it HD. The textures have been improving all the way from GTA 1, so every bloody GTA could be a HD for it's time.

 

If anything, it a multipolygon universe.

Look at you trying to sound smart

Well, explain then.

 

First question: What is 720 & 1080 resolution?

[Signal1]

Don't hate or act like a dick but i just want to know why does rockstar have to have one universe whats the point of a 3d and HD universe grand theft auto is all one game so why can't it be all in one universe i don't get why they have to have different universes please answer this someone

 

 

EDIT:I Don't mind if rockstar has different universes its just something i always wondered particulary with the 3d and hd universes

note:i removed 2d because i understand why that couldn't be all one universe with the other universes but what i basically mean is why can't 3d and hd be the same

Seriosuly, you are right. GTA V should have been what it currently is, with the addition of all previous maps.

 

Thats what I expect when someone saus its the biggest and most abitious project yet.

 

All should be in a single universe, on 1 bluray disk for ps3.

[Magic_Al]

The actual reason is because the PS2-era "3D" characters are un-detailed puppets whose faces can't express emotion and whose hands can't gesture. The actors compensated for this by exaggerating their voices and body movements. In the HD era, characters can show somewhat more subtle expression so the actors tone it down a bit.

 

This is the main reason why old characters can't come back. It would be like having Kermit the Frog come back as a realistic CGI frog.

[carcols.dat]

Because you end up with over complicated mythologies (like comics), it limits what you can do, the layout of the cities couldn't change, the tone of the 3D era doesn't fit with HD era...I could go on.

 

R* has already answered this but I can't be arsed to find it.

The source you're thinking about is the GI reveal from a few weeks ago:

 

 

But yeah, it's kind of odd how so many people fail to realize this. I want a single universe as much as anyone else but I understand the storyline limitations it can impose.

[Cyfa]

Could you imagine what CJ would look like in a HD universe? Holy f*ckbuckets it would be bad.

[stuchu]

Why do you want the universes of 3D & HD to be the same? Is it so you can kiss CJ's HD textured lips?

yes .

[DeafMetal]

I guess it's to allow them to completely overhaul the environments. I mean, imagine how crazy it would be if you lived in III's LC and in 6 years it suddenly turned into IV's LC.

 

I do get your point though, it's just a damn video game lol they don't have to explain the changes in environment. I'd want to see what happened to Tommy, Grove Street Families, etc.

[heist_blueprint]

Don't hate or act like a dick but i just want to know why does rockstar have to have one universe whats the point of a 3d and HD universe grand theft auto is all one game so why can't it be all in one universe i don't get why they have to have different universes please answer this someone

 

 

EDIT:I Don't mind if rockstar has different universes its just something i always wondered particulary with the 3d and hd universes

note:i removed 2d because i understand why that couldn't be all one universe with the other universes but what i basically mean is why can't 3d and hd be the same

This is my impression..."Why cant they have one universe? whats the point? why can't they have one universe? I don't get why Rockstar cant have one universe. Why can't Rockstar have one universe? Someone answer why Rockstar cant have one universe!"

[jnzooger]

As a comic book fan, I have a hard time understanding how people can't accept multiple universes within an overall multiverse. It literally exists in every comic series.

[aaronimpact]

I never felt any connection to the 2D era characters. I felt more connected to Niko and Johnny though. Luis? I didn't think much of him.

[golf wang]

Because they just can't I guess. I never really questioned it, actually.

[zeppelincheetah]

If they didn't change universes they would be restricting themselves. Just look at scale alone. If all GTA games were in the same universe then San Andreas would always have to look like this:

 

The same can be said comparing GTA SA and V. The scale is much larger now, much more realistic. The same goes with characters though this is hard to argue. From Rockstar's point of view the characters since GTA IV are on a whole different more serious realistic existence. To me the character development really isn't better. But then there's the graphics, I think it makes sense to have a new universe whenever there's a major graphical overhaul to the series.

[Woody112]

Troll thread, but worthy of a reply anyhow.

 

If Rockstar just had one universe, GTA V would be birds eye screen, with cartoon characters, and I don't think it would sell as well compared to what they plan to release.

 

Wow, people sure do love to act like dickheads when they know there are others in the thread that agree with them. OP was just asking a question as a means to start a discussion.

[SchizNitz]

This is going on the thread simulator.

Your mum's ganna be on the thread simulator. Suck it up sluts.

 

OT:

1. It would be too much of a hassle to move characters into another viewing "definition" and having to get the same voice actors, ect.

2. I like it because it keeps things fresh.

 

And yeah thats it.

[jamieleng]

Because you end up with over complicated mythologies (like comics), it limits what you can do, the layout of the cities couldn't change, the tone of the 3D era doesn't fit with HD era...I could go on.

 

R* has already answered this but I can't be arsed to find it.

The source you're thinking about is the GI reveal from a few weeks ago:

 

http://i.imgur.com/uNdDq.jpg

 

But yeah, it's kind of odd how so many people fail to realize this. I want a single universe as much as anyone else but I understand the storyline limitations it can impose.

 

 

Thanks for that.

 

I was actually thinking of a R* Q&A they had on their website but the answer was pretty much the same.

 

I don't get why people can't accept it either. It's not like they said they were "done" with the 3D era & they can both exist parallel to one another.

 

If anything it just means there is "more" GTA. I'd love to see a San Andreas Stories on PS Vita, 3DS or ios/Google Play. I'd settle for Vice City on my phone though, come on R* & release it already.

[Acehilm]

To keep the ball rolling, with many ways of working around things. The III universe looks different, and varries, to the HD universe of course. Just becuse it looks different, it still has the same elements. You have San Andreas' countryside, and then you have V's countryside; different, but the same. Keeping things fresh.

[woggleman]

Because they wrapped up the III story perfectly. It's better for them to start another chapter instead of running the same characters into the ground.

[Jimmarn]

Because it gives them a reason to redo the city, make them bigger and change the whole city without having to make some weird reason ingame for it to have changed so mutch. And when the city's and all is changed, it's also natural to not have the old characters in it. It just is.

 

What they COULD do tho, but probably won't, is a reboot with the old characters. Say a reboot of vice city, with a rebooted tommy vercetti and a bit different storyline, not depending on the older games. So people can't say that he couldnt do so or so, because it was like this in the original etc. Probably why they don't do that, is because there's allways idiots who will compare, and say that it's stupid he acts like this and that, because he wasnt like that in the original or things like that.

 

Sorry about the explanation, I hope you get what i'm saying.