I'm a PC gamer and I hate PC gamers

[agent17]

Delaying GTA V for the PC won't let them gain more sales, if anything they will lose potential sales and more people will end up pirating the game.

 

I realize most people with a decent PC probably have a console already, but I doubt many consumers are going to end up buying the game twice. More than likely an impatient consumer will buy the console version as soon as it comes out and pirate the PC version when it is released, assuming they don't pirate the console version as well.

 

Either way, delaying the PC version doesn't make much sense, Rockstar would only lose sales. I think a lot of fans are trying to understand the rational behind Rockstar's decision, and are frustrated that PC gamers are receiving an all-to-familiar treatment.

[TrantaLocked]

 

I think OP hit the nail right on the head, He said everything that I have been thinking when ever I read a post from an elitist PC douche bag. I have a PS3, an Xbox 360, A Wii and the top-end gaming PC but the thing that stopped me from getting for the longest time was the people I thought I was going to run into online, yes the PC has better Specs but the PC is upgradable, Seriously if the PC is as high and mighty as they all put it then where is a PC exculsive game that makes the system shine. Crysis is garbage I have it on PC and PS3 and they don't look like anything special, I have crysis 2 on PC and somehow that looks worse than Crysis 1.

Crysis came out in 2007, and is still one of the best looking games I have ever played.

 

Goin Good wrote:

 

So.. according to the OP:

PC Gamers (or people to happen to game on PC) cannot be proud of their PC's like many Console players are.

Putting your system specs in your signature is abominable.

Making a petition to get GTA on PC because R* doesn't say anything is also wrong. We can't enjoy the game on PC.

 

 

Now, I know there are many fanboys and idiots who play on PC. But there are many Console fanboys too.

I don't particularly hate console fanboys, nor PC fanboys. I don't see the point in getting all angry at this.

 

No, it is ok to be proud about your gaming system, but it is not ok to be a dick about it. While if one can control themselves it would seem fine to make your slogan "Proud PC Gamer," but even that is shouting "I'm better than you."

 

I never said I was against the petition, I was pointing out how two of the top rated comments are terrible reflections of normal PC gamers.

 

Furthermore, I like the discussion so far. I see where The Killa is coming from, but I want to point out that it is what it is. Yes, we should petition Rockstar and show our support for a PC version of GTA V. We want to show Rockstar that we really want it. But realize that Rockstar has many things planned that we don't even know about, and shouting and whining at them will only make things worse. Rockstar likely will be releasing a PC version, but whether or not they do, our job as fans is to be respectful and let them know what we as consumers want without being over dramatic or stubborn.

Edited November 24, 2012 by TrantaLocked

[sivispacem]

 

Unless you're calling C/C++ a PC programming language, which it isn't.

By what measure are C/C++ not PC-orientated programming languages? On what platform is the vast majority of software development undertaken in C/C++? Um, desktop computers. Your right in the sense that they're multi-platform languages, but their primary point of use is on desktop machines. Also, most of the graphical APIs were/are PC designed and built, so in essence consoles have been designed to emulate the way PCs "work".

[nightwalker83]

 

The vast majority of programming, design,  and architecture is done on PC systems in PC programming languages, so its not as if it presents any kind of cost penalty.

The majority isn't written in PC programming languages. Unless you're calling C/C++ a PC programming language, which it isn't.

I think he is referring to the fact no one (as far as as I know) has managed to program on a console.

 

@sivispacem

 

C/C++ is primarily a hardware/software interlink language isn't it? That is to say that it is halfway between VB and Assembly on the scale.

Edited November 24, 2012 by nightwalker83

[sivispacem]

 

@sivispacem

 

C/C++ is primarily a hardware/software interlink language isn't it? That is to say that it is halfway between VB and Assembly on the scale.

It's a general-purpose programming language, so it's quite flexible, right from intermediate up to higher level programming- which means it can be more "direct" in interfacing with hardware than HLLs. The main point I was making is that in the vast majority of cases, software ranging from SCADA/PLC systems to industrial controls to operating systems to game engines are engineered and initially tested on desktop or desktop-like "personal" computers. Ergo, I question how anyone can claim that C/C++, which let's face it are in all their variants the most commonly used programming languages in the world, are not PC orientated? I'd argue that because the majority of development and probably implementation takes place on systems that are or resemble personal computers in their mode of operation (so arguably including things like blade servers, smartphones and other "personal computing devices") it's completely fair to say that C/C++ is a PC-orientated language, and certainly in relation to the specifics of game design it is. If you expand the definition of "personal computer"- which let's face it is also very outdated in it's traditional use- to anything that requires a human/user interface to operate (personal as in actively used by a person, computer self explanitory), then aside from PLCs and embedded systems everything is a PC, including games consoles.

Edited November 24, 2012 by sivispacem

[CharmingCharlie]

 

our job as fans is to be respectful and let them know what we as consumers want without being over dramatic or stubborn.

Respect is a two way street, you cannot expect a huge section of your community to respect you when you in turn do your damnedest to sh*t on them at every step with broken products, late releases and false promises. Rockstar has consistently sh*t on the PC community at every single turn.

 

I remember when they were releasing the Episodes on the PC and PS3. They ended up delaying the PC version release because Sony Europe had issues with the PS3 version and Rockstar did not believe it would be "fair" for PC gamers to get the Episodes before PS3 users got them. I notice how this "fairness policy" never seems to extend towards PC gamers funny that aint it. Rockstar do not deserve a single ounce of respect from PC gamers (nor do they deserve your time or money either but people still bother).

 

Now you won't see me in the GTA 5 section going "wah wah bring GTA 5 to the PC" I honestly couldn't give a sh*t. The last Rockstar game I bought or played on the PC was GTA 4. It was pretty much sh*t in every single way and I have not touched a single product from them ever since so as a "Proud PC Gamer" I don't give a sh*t what Rockstar do, but I know one thing whatever they do they won't get my money because they do not deserve it.

[faizanali]

 

One user even has a banner under their username that states "Proud PC gamer."

Actually that user is me, I don't care how you think about me or anyone else it's just that I CHOSE TO HAVE THAT MEMBER TITLE, It actually doesn't make you elite if you have a "Proud PC Gamer" member title, Member titles are just member titles, It doesn't make you anything and it SHOULD not hurt anyone, And if you hate us for making a petition then hate all you want because it's OUR RIGHT to do this we are treated like bitch all these years since III imagine if it happened to a X360 user or PS3 user I am sure that they would have done the same thing because it just doesn't feel right, There are so many Console Gamers that actually "FEEL" how its like to be treated this way, I don't hate anyone i actually was a ex X360 user btw, How can you hate someone for making a petition?

[Remix]

Delaying GTA V for the PC won't let them gain more sales, if anything they will lose potential sales and more people will end up pirating the game.

 

I realize most people with a decent PC probably have a console already, but I doubt many consumers are going to end up buying the game twice. More than likely an impatient consumer will buy the console version as soon as it comes out and pirate the PC version when it is released, assuming they don't pirate the console version as well.

 

If people are going to pirate a game, they'll pirate it regardless of its release date. Rockstar make money from a sale, so even if consumers buy the game once (for a console) and pirate it the second time (for the PC), Rockstar still come away with a profit.

 

Have a look at the sales of GTA IV on the PC. It's tiny in comparison to the console sales, and even then, you can guarantee a significant amount of people pirated the game. Delaying the PC version of GTA V, like you said, will just result in people purchasing the console version (which is what Rockstar would want people to do).

 

It sucks I know, but from a business perspective it makes perfect sense.

[freak2121]

You should take note that PC sales counts are almost always retail only on such sites, which isn't very representative of the actual sale number considering how few PC gamers buy retail.

[Mr Rabbit]

 

You should take note that PC sales counts are almost always retail only on such sites, which isn't very representative of the actual sale number considering how few PC gamers buy retail.

yeah piracy aside many will just wait for a steam sale, hell if V follows the pattern then it will be released near a steam mega-ultra-super-chocolate-f*ckpies-sale anyway (for PC)

personally I see little point in a petition for the PC release of GTA V - as it will be released for PC, that is a fact, I would bet on it. it would be like petitioning for pizza hut to make pizzas

 

a petition to get it released with less of a delay on the other hand, that I would understand

 

also at OP - signing a petition for the PC release of GTA V with the reason being "I am a PC gamer" is perfectly legit. what else would you like for a reason? what exactly did you expect for a reason?

"I haven't written my name down enough today"

"I need to practice my signiture"

"I was bored"

"I'm high"

"because the cat god told me to in a vision taking place in 1760s Japan"

 

WHAT REASON DID YOU EXPECT?!

Edited November 25, 2012 by NateShaw92

[Ash_735]

I have not touched a single product from them ever since so as a "Proud PC Gamer" I don't give a sh*t what Rockstar do, but I know one thing whatever they do they won't get my money because they do not deserve it.

I like the way you say that they constantly sh*t on PC gamers and yet the last game you bought from them was GTA IV. That's another problem with these "ELITE PC GAMERS" is that a lot of them have overlooked Max Payne 3 (though it's currently one of the best selling games in the Steam sale) which is amazing because that's a game where Rockstar DID put the effort into a PC version, it looks great, it performs great, and really shows off what RAGE can do with Hardware, but no, a load of stubborn people never bought it, a lot under the influence thinking it'd be another sh*tty port like GTA IV.

[anus]

I have not touched a single product from them ever since so as a "Proud PC Gamer" I don't give a sh*t what Rockstar do, but I know one thing whatever they do they won't get my money because they do not deserve it.

I like the way you say that they constantly sh*t on PC gamers and yet the last game you bought from them was GTA IV. That's another problem with these "ELITE PC GAMERS" is that a lot of them have overlooked Max Payne 3 (though it's currently one of the best selling games in the Steam sale) which is amazing because that's a game where Rockstar DID put the effort into a PC version, it looks great, it performs great, and really shows off what RAGE can do with Hardware, but no, a load of stubborn people never bought it, a lot under the influence thinking it'd be another sh*tty port like GTA IV.

Buy a game that you're not into just so you can tell a dev they're doing a good job?

[Ash_735]

 

Buy a game that you're not into just so you can tell a dev they're doing a good job?

No, it's more about comments like "they sh*t all over PC gamers" and this view that they don't put effort into their PC games, when they haven't played/tried/viewed the latest game.

 

GTA IV was a crappy port, but Max Payne 3 runs rings around that sloppy mess and is actually a GOOD PC version, and I do find it annoying to see so called "ELITE PC GAMERS" say that same sh*t about Rockstar based on their experience with GTA IV WITHOUT even acknowledging Max Payne 3, it's like the game gets glossed over and ignored ever time these PC fanboys want to rage at Rockstar.

 

edit: What I'll just say, to sort of seal my view on this, is that I think it's purely Ironic in the highest sense, that the WORST selling Rockstar PC game of this generation, is actually the MOST Optimized PC game they've done!

Edited November 25, 2012 by Ash_735

[sivispacem]

That's another problem with these "ELITE PC GAMERS" is that a lot of them have overlooked Max Payne 3 (though it's currently one of the best selling games in the Steam sale) which is amazing because that's a game where Rockstar DID put the effort into a PC version, it looks great, it performs great, and really shows off what RAGE can do with Hardware, but no, a load of stubborn people never bought it, a lot under the influence thinking it'd be another sh*tty port like GTA IV.

In the same vein, lots of console fanboys didn't buy it because they thought that Rockstar should only be making GTA series games, and therefore the Max Payne series, which was a PC series from the outset lest we forget, was castigated. The problem in your arguments is that you hypocritically accuse "ELITE PC GAMERS" of doing exactly what console fanboys do as if it isn't rife across all systems.

 

I'll concede that some PC gamers are pricks, but no more than any other system. I'd probably argue less than any other system, having witnessed enough 13-year-old shouting matches on public games of Modern Warfare 2 on X360 to last me a lifetime. It's pure hypocrisy to accuse PC gamers of doing all the things that console fanboys do (do you even remember the console wars?) as if they were unique to that platform.

[Ash_735]

Again, when have I ever said that fanboys don't exist on the consoles?

 

That seems to be a recurring defense from PC Gamers here "Well the consoles have fanboys so NUGH!", and yeah, I do think it's a shame console gamers didn't buy more Max Payne 3, but at the same time, Max Payne was always seen as a PC franchise, Max Payne 1 and 2 on the PS2 were shoddy ports, the Xbox versions were just about OK, and as much as Rockstar tried to make the story easy to join in for new people, it's still the third game in a series where plenty have missed out on the story, especially in regards to most console gamers. So yeah, whilst Max Payne 3 sold porrly on the consoles, I DO think it was a bigger push for the PC versions and Rockstar wanted PC gamers to step up with this one.

[Gtaghost22]

I have not touched a single product from them ever since so as a "Proud PC Gamer" I don't give a sh*t what Rockstar do, but I know one thing whatever they do they won't get my money because they do not deserve it.

I like the way you say that they constantly sh*t on PC gamers and yet the last game you bought from them was GTA IV. That's another problem with these "ELITE PC GAMERS" is that a lot of them have overlooked Max Payne 3 (though it's currently one of the best selling games in the Steam sale) which is amazing because that's a game where Rockstar DID put the effort into a PC version, it looks great, it performs great, and really shows off what RAGE can do with Hardware, but no, a load of stubborn people never bought it, a lot under the influence thinking it'd be another sh*tty port like GTA IV.

Buy a game that you're not into just so you can tell a dev they're doing a good job?

If that dev is Rockstar, then Yes, i would do it just to support them, call me a fanboy or whatever, i don't care. Thankfully, i never had to do it anyway, i'm into all of thier games.

[coin-god]

I have not touched a single product from them ever since so as a "Proud PC Gamer" I don't give a sh*t what Rockstar do, but I know one thing whatever they do they won't get my money because they do not deserve it.

I like the way you say that they constantly sh*t on PC gamers and yet the last game you bought from them was GTA IV. That's another problem with these "ELITE PC GAMERS" is that a lot of them have overlooked Max Payne 3 (though it's currently one of the best selling games in the Steam sale) which is amazing because that's a game where Rockstar DID put the effort into a PC version, it looks great, it performs great, and really shows off what RAGE can do with Hardware, but no, a load of stubborn people never bought it, a lot under the influence thinking it'd be another sh*tty port like GTA IV.

Buy a game that you're not into just so you can tell a dev they're doing a good job?

If that dev is Rockstar, then Yes, i would do it just to support them, call me a fanboy or whatever, i don't care. Thankfully, i never had to do it anyway, i'm into all of thier games.

You would, that doesn't mean everybody else will.

[Secura]

 

I have not touched a single product from them ever since so as a "Proud PC Gamer" I don't give a sh*t what Rockstar do, but I know one thing whatever they do they won't get my money because they do not deserve it.

I like the way you say that they constantly sh*t on PC gamers and yet the last game you bought from them was GTA IV. That's another problem with these "ELITE PC GAMERS" is that a lot of them have overlooked Max Payne 3 (though it's currently one of the best selling games in the Steam sale) which is amazing because that's a game where Rockstar DID put the effort into a PC version, it looks great, it performs great, and really shows off what RAGE can do with Hardware, but no, a load of stubborn people never bought it, a lot under the influence thinking it'd be another sh*tty port like GTA IV.

Buy a game that you're not into just so you can tell a dev they're doing a good job?

If that dev is Rockstar, then Yes, i would do it just to support them, call me a fanboy or whatever, i don't care. Thankfully, i never had to do it anyway, i'm into all of thier games.

You would, that doesn't mean everybody else will.

Indeed it sounds like a waste of time, money and effort on your part. I bought Max Payne 3, LA Noire and Red Dead Redemption not because they had a R* label on them (okay the label helped) but because I interested in what the games could offer, R* publishing/developing them only helped my purchase but I'd never buy a game just to support a company.

[Sunrise Driver]

Hate proud PC elitism too.

"If you don't like Half-Life, Hitman, TF2; if you haven't backed up Wasteland 2; if Valve is not your religion and Gaben isn't your god then you're not PC gamer".

 

Pathetic.

 

Answering to OP - it's not about PC at all, it's about gamers. Deal with it. PS3/X360 kids would cry even more (like they did over no GTA EFLC for PS3).

[CharmingCharlie]

 

I have not touched a single product from them ever since so as a "Proud PC Gamer" I don't give a sh*t what Rockstar do, but I know one thing whatever they do they won't get my money because they do not deserve it.

I like the way you say that they constantly sh*t on PC gamers and yet the last game you bought from them was GTA IV. That's another problem with these "ELITE PC GAMERS" is that a lot of them have overlooked Max Payne 3 (though it's currently one of the best selling games in the Steam sale) which is amazing because that's a game where Rockstar DID put the effort into a PC version, it looks great, it performs great, and really shows off what RAGE can do with Hardware, but no, a load of stubborn people never bought it, a lot under the influence thinking it'd be another sh*tty port like GTA IV.

Rockstar has only themselves to blame, they have consistently released crappy broken products on the PC. Naturally consumers are becoming aware of Rockstars shoddy production values on the PC and staying away from them. If a company keeps producing low quality then people will ignore their products. But no apparently we are meant to just buy a Rockstar game on faith are we ? Tell me was I able to test Max Payne 3 ? Was there a demo of Max Payne 3 for me to check to see if Rockstar had actually done any work ? No there wasn't and you cannot trust reviews (after all none of the reviews told us about the sh*tty quality of GTA 4).

 

That is before you even touch the fact Max Payne 3 a PC title was DELAYED and released AFTER the consoles. Now sure it was only 2 weeks but again the PC gamer was treated as a second class gamer. Again what happened to Rockstars policy of "fairness" to PC gamers. If they could delay the release of GTA 4 Episodes for the PC to be fair to PS3 users then why didn't they delay the console version of MP 3 till it was ready for release on ALL platforms after all that is only fair ?

 

 

I DO think it was a bigger push for the PC versions and Rockstar wanted PC gamers to step up with this one.

Really, you seriously believe Rockstar gave a sh*t about the PC version of Max Payne 3 Again the problem wasn't "PC gamers didn't "step up". The problem was the fact MP 3 was delayed by 2 weeks for PC gamers and the minute that happens it puts people off, then we start to think "hm this is another GTA 4 sh*t fest aint it". Then we go, ho well f*ck Rockstar I will buy such and such a game at least this company wants my money.

 

It is clear you DO NOT GET IT, Rockstar has damaged it's rep on the PC extremely badly. It can no longer rely on it's name to sell it's product on the PC. I will start buying Rockstar games again when they do the following :-

 

A) release the PC version of the game at the SAME TIME as the console version.

B) DO NOT attach a console price to that game (PC GAMES are £10 cheaper for a reason)

C) Produce a quality product that is actually well optimised.

 

I expect those 3 basic things from EVERY company that I buy games from. I also expect it from Rockstar and you think I am a "problem" no I am NOT a problem, my money is scarce and I am going to give it to a company that deserves my money, works hard for my money and treats me like a valued consumer.

Edited November 25, 2012 by CharmingCharlie

[Master of San Andreas]

It's not some of us's fault,It's rockstar for delaying the PC version.

 

Even worse the console gamers saying 'get a PS3 or 360 simple' Damn.

[Sunrise Driver]

Yeah, playing GTA Stories wasn't so "simple" on PS2 after PC. Exploring the city is less fun with gamepad. Thankfully there wasn't much exploring in Stories for known reason.

 

With GTA5 I wanna get proper enjoyment from day 1.

[Bad.boy!]

 

@sivispacem

 

C/C++ is primarily a hardware/software interlink language isn't it? That is to say that it is halfway between VB and Assembly on the scale.

It's a general-purpose programming language, so it's quite flexible, right from intermediate up to higher level programming- which means it can be more "direct" in interfacing with hardware than HLLs. The main point I was making is that in the vast majority of cases, software ranging from SCADA/PLC systems to industrial controls to operating systems to game engines are engineered and initially tested on desktop or desktop-like "personal" computers. Ergo, I question how anyone can claim that C/C++, which let's face it are in all their variants the most commonly used programming languages in the world, are not PC orientated? I'd argue that because the majority of development and probably implementation takes place on systems that are or resemble personal computers in their mode of operation (so arguably including things like blade servers, smartphones and other "personal computing devices") it's completely fair to say that C/C++ is a PC-orientated language, and certainly in relation to the specifics of game design it is. If you expand the definition of "personal computer"- which let's face it is also very outdated in it's traditional use- to anything that requires a human/user interface to operate (personal as in actively used by a person, computer self explanitory), then aside from PLCs and embedded systems everything is a PC, including games consoles.

It is not relevant on what machine the code is actually written. C/C++ can and is being used on most computers (not human operated & human operated), that the demand is high in the human operated computers sector doesn't change anything about the language itself.

[Secura]

 

A) release the PC version of the game at the SAME TIME as the console version.

One version has to be ported, the PC version will always be the less popular so it will always remain the ported version.

 

 

B) DO NOT attach a console price to that game (PC GAMES are £10 cheaper for a reason)

 

Why should a console player who in reality is just as equal as you have to pay more for the same product, you selfish moron.

 

 

C) Produce a quality product that is actually well optimized.

 

Now if you consider "ports" to be a quality product I can agree with you, it's your right to be able to have a working game if it's released on your platform. R* did well with MP3 so that's not an issue, however, if you're speaking about the games that they make they've never not made a top quality product.

 

 

I expect those 3 basic things from EVERY company that I buy games from.  I also expect it from Rockstar and you think I am a "problem" no I am NOT a problem, my money is scarce and I am going to give it to a company that deserves my money, works hard for my money and treats me like a valued consumer.

 

Yet you seem to think that someone on a console should pay more then you, and that they should prioritize things like a PC version over what the mass consumer base wants. Sorry man but you're definitely the problem here, we're lucky if we're getting it on PC at all.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

One version has to be ported, the PC version will always be the less popular so it will always remain the ported version.

Yet there are plenty of developers that release their games on all THREE platforms at the SAME time, but for some reason Rockstar are unable to do this. There is no excuse for it so quit trying to find excuses for it.

 

 

Why should a console player who in reality is just as equal as you have to pay more for the same product, you selfish moron.

 

It isn't about being a "selfish moron". The extra £10 that console gamers pay goes straight into the pocket of the console manufacturer. Why do you think Sony sold their console at a loss ? It is because they were hoping to make up the shortfall with the console royalty fee. There is NO royalty fee on the PC. There is no one to pay a royalty fee too so urgo PC games should be at least £10 cheaper than the console versions.

 

 

Now if you consider "ports" to be a quality product I can agree with you, it's your right to be able to have a working game if it's released on your platform. R* did well with MP3 so that's not an issue, however, if you're speaking about the games that they make they've never not made a top quality product.

 

ONE game, they managed to do ONE game "well" and even that is debatable. I can tell you now the list of Rockstar games taht run like sh*t vastly outweigh ONE game.

 

 

Yet you seem to think that someone on a console should pay more then you, and that they should prioritize things like a PC version over what the mass consumer base wants. Sorry man but you're definitely the problem here, we're lucky if we're getting it on PC at all.

As I said the extra money console gamers pay goes straight to the manufacturer of the console. There is NO royalty fee on the PC so why should PC gamers pay the same price ? It has been stated time and time again that developers actually get MORE money per copy from the PC version than they do from the console version yet on top of that it isn't enough and they are trying to force PC gamers to pay console level pricing too despite the fact there is no royalty fees to be paid on the PC.

 

Oh and no we are not "lucky" we should not be thinking that way. We are the consumers the companies should be thankful we buy their products. I am not the problem here, people like you that don't know your arse from your elbow are the problem thinking we have to be grateful all the damn time.

[sivispacem]

 

Why should a console player who in reality is just as equal as you have to pay more for the same product

They shouldn't. But it's their willingness to pay the extra which means developers see them as a cash cow, which means they have less incentive to produce "complete" games (see earlier CoD example) and to do ports to other systems.

 

 

Now if you consider "ports" to be a quality product I can agree with you, it's your right to be able to have a working game if it's released on your platform. R* did well with MP3 so that's not an issue, however, if you're speaking about the games that they make they've never not made a top quality product.

I would honestly rather producers didn't port games at all that producing unplayable abortions like Saints Row 2, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who shares this sentiment. I have no inherent objection to a "port" any way, as long as that port makes full use of the available hardware on the platform it is designed for. It's not elitist, in my view, to expect a game, even if it a port, released on PC to be graphically superior to it's console brethren by a significant margin- because a well-optimised, well designed engine should be capable of utilising to the fullest extent the hardware on offer. Probably the best example of this is Half-Life 2, which has been designed to run well on systems well below the specification of modern consoles, but really shines on those far above it. The issues arise when games are designed with the limitations of hardware in the forefront of the designer's mind, rather than being designed to be as well optimised as possible and then throttled down to suit the hardware requirements. That's why, generally speaking, PC "ports" to console (usually in the form of co-development) work better than console ports to PC- compare and contrast HL2, Far Cry 3 and Fallout: New Vegas (obvious exception being on PS3) with, say, an early build of GTA IV, Saints Row 2 and the later Call of Duty titles.

 

 

...and that they should prioritize things like a PC version over what the mass consumer base wants.

This is a very shaky comment, seen as there have been several recent titles for which the PC release has significantly outsold the console versions. No-one is asking developers to prioritise PC releases in terms of man hours or investment- that would be silly, as 90% of the work is done on PC anyway so the underlying comparability is there. We just want games that use our hardware properly, are released at least reasonably timely, and aren't complete and total abortions like some ports have been, and I don't think that's an unreasonable request given that it costs in real terms pretty much nothing.

 

Also, not making a total twat of yourself by accusing all PC gamers of being pirates, like the Ubisoft CEO (I think) did, would be nice.

[faizanali]

It's not some of us's fault,It's rockstar for delaying the PC version.

 

Even worse the console gamers saying 'get a PS3 or 360 simple' Damn.

THIS, Couldn't agree more.

[Secura]

One version has to be ported, the PC version will always be the less popular so it will always remain the ported version.

Yet there are plenty of developers that release their games on all THREE platforms at the SAME time, but for some reason Rockstar are unable to do this. There is no excuse for it so quit trying to find excuses for it.

 

 

Why should a console player who in reality is just as equal as you have to pay more for the same product, you selfish moron.

 

It isn't about being a "selfish moron". The extra £10 that console gamers pay goes straight into the pocket of the console manufacturer. Why do you think Sony sold their console at a loss ? It is because they were hoping to make up the shortfall with the console royalty fee. There is NO royalty fee on the PC. There is no one to pay a royalty fee too so urgo PC games should be at least £10 cheaper than the console versions.

 

 

Now if you consider "ports" to be a quality product I can agree with you, it's your right to be able to have a working game if it's released on your platform. R* did well with MP3 so that's not an issue, however, if you're speaking about the games that they make they've never not made a top quality product.

 

ONE game, they managed to do ONE game "well" and even that is debatable. I can tell you now the list of Rockstar games taht run like sh*t vastly outweigh ONE game.

 

 

Yet you seem to think that someone on a console should pay more then you, and that they should prioritize things like a PC version over what the mass consumer base wants. Sorry man but you're definitely the problem here, we're lucky if we're getting it on PC at all.

As I said the extra money console gamers pay goes straight to the manufacturer of the console. There is NO royalty fee on the PC so why should PC gamers pay the same price ? It has been stated time and time again that developers actually get MORE money per copy from the PC version than they do from the console version yet on top of that it isn't enough and they are trying to force PC gamers to pay console level pricing too despite the fact there is no royalty fees to be paid on the PC.

 

Oh and no we are not "lucky" we should not be thinking that way. We are the consumers the companies should be thankful we buy their products. I am not the problem here, people like you that don't know your arse from your elbow are the problem thinking we have to be grateful all the damn time.

They did a number of ports wrong I'll give you that, we can't judge the ports as their overall game making ability considering the fact that the games themselves are often fantastic.

 

So, just because Microsoft and Sony want royalty fees you think you should be entitled to pay less, I guess I can understand that. R* being a company will not understand that and it's really not our right to moan about it. It's this problem a lot of "gamers" have nowadays. We're entitled to a working game on the platform that we choose to purchase it on, nothing more nothing less - hell it's not even our right to say what platform it should come out on in the first place.

 

Most developers that makes the ports of the games at the same time as the actual game end up making the ports bad anyway. Quiet often because they're rushed, R* loves to focus on the quality of it's work and then usually specify one specific platform so that they can make it as good as it can be on it. Yes us PC players often get screwed over by them with bad ports but they've definitely been improving and I see no reason why they won't improve upon it further this time.

 

And once again I have to stress the fact that we are lucky, to R* the PC market is a small thing not to bother that much over so the fact that they're actually bothering to release stuff on our platform (a platform they've chosen to deny stuff from many times before) is quite lucky. We'll also be lucky if we get it simply because there are no plans to make a port of V at this current moment, I'm not saying we won't get one but we do have to give thanks where it's due.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

They did a number of ports wrong I'll give you that, we can't judge the ports as their overall game making ability considering the fact that the games themselves are often fantastic.

Erm no pretty much every single game from Rockstar since GTA 3 has been a complete mess on the PC. The only thing that improved was PC tech which counteracted Rockstars inability to produce a competent product. The ONLY game that has shown any attention or quality to it is Max Payne 3. Now as a consumer why would I risk paying through the nose for a product from a company that has a massive reputation of doing low quality on the PC ? Rockstar created this rep on the PC platform it is a problem they created.

 

 

So, just because Microsoft and Sony want royalty fees you think you should be entitled to pay less, I guess I can understand that. R* being a company will not understand that and it's really not our right to moan about it. It's this problem a lot of "gamers" have nowadays. We're entitled to a working game on the platform that we choose to purchase it on, nothing more nothing less - hell it's not even our right to say what platform it should come out on in the first place.

 

Yes it is our "place to moan" we are the consumer if we are not happy with price gouging then we should complain and moan about it. I believe I should be entitled to a £10 reduction in game prices because the game costs AT LEAST £10 less for developers on the PC than it does on the console. Now console gamers get subsidised hardware for their £10, they get a cheap console and in return they pay £10 every time they buy a game. A PC gamer does not get subsidised hardware, we pay for our hardware that should at least mean games DO NOT have the extra £10 levy that console manufacturers tack on.

 

You may have noticed I am not moaning about GTA 5 not being on the PC. I would actually prefer if Rockstar just pissed off completely and left the PC platform altogether. What I cannot stand is this too and froing from them one minute they are "oh yeah PC cool lets use all the user mods to promote our games" next it is "oh other platforms are open to consideration". They are treating PC gamers like second class citizens and some PC gamers seem fine with that. I am not a company that treats me like that will NOT see my money.

 

 

Most developers that makes the ports of the games at the same time as the actual game end up making the ports bad anyway. Quiet often because they're rushed, R* loves to focus on the quality of it's work and then usually specify one specific platform so that they can make it as good as it can be on it. Yes us PC players often get screwed over by them with bad ports but they've definitely been improving and I see no reason why they won't improve upon it further this time.

 

You mean companies like Rockstar that released a rushed screw job of a game called GTA 4 nearly 6 months later ? Most developers that release games on all three platforms do a fantastic job of releasing quality on all three platforms at the same time. It is a rarity that one platform suffers problems over others. Infact it is actually a rarity that developers do NOT release a game on all three platforms at once, very few companies neglect the PC unless it is for obvious contractual reasons.

 

 

And once again I have to stress the fact that we are lucky, to R* the PC market is a small thing not to bother that much over so the fact that they're actually bothering to release stuff on our platform (a platform they've chosen to deny stuff from many times before) is quite lucky. We'll also be lucky if we get it simply because there are no plans to make a port of V at this current moment, I'm not saying we won't get one but we do have to give thanks where it's due.

You can stress it as much as you like, it doesn't make it true. We are the consumers we pay their bills, without us they do not eat but without them wellllll there are hundreds of developers after my money and they get my money. We are not lucky when Rockstar brings their game nearly a year after the consoles and expect PC gamers to pay a console price for it, we are MUGS if we entertain that kind of sh*t. I still cannot believe people are falling for this utter sh*t that Rockstar will not release the game on the PC. Seriously how many times do they have to do this before people get it into their heads ?

 

I am happy to show my appreciation to any company that supports the PC, makes games I want to play, releases them in line with the console version and does a top job of the PC version. Until Rockstar start doing that they won't see one damn penny from me. If you are happy to beg and thank Rockstar for the few crumbs they through you then seriously you ARE THE PROBLEM.

[cp1dell]

 

PC gamers are the snobs of gaming, they think they are better than console gamers because they play modded games. Thats a stereotype but its not far from the truth. They are dicks.

PS3, (previously) 360, and PC owner here.

 

It baffles me when the PC elitists argue that graphics aren't everything, but when it comes to these ridiculous "platform wars" they're number one argument is always "Well we get better graphics!"

 

Think about that.