Why pirate?

[5000 Staples]

 

Obviously the pc fanboys cant handle the truth

 

People please this is not 9gag.

So stop using "troll" images.

It has a reason. Nor is it trolling.

 

 

[United_Stealth]

80% will pirate that never happens to a game.. And yes I've pirated, but for a quality like gta, I'm happy to pay for it and I'm not de only one.. Crappy games get pirated, quality games don't (or only by childeren...)

[InfernoV]

Obviously the pc fanboys cant handle the truth

People please this is not 9gag.

So stop using "troll" images.

This

 

Enough with your stupid picture responses.

[5000 Staples]

 

Obviously the pc fanboys cant handle the truth

People please this is not 9gag.

So stop using "troll" images.

This

 

Enough with your stupid picture responses.

Don't make stupid threads then. Which has no relevance to ANYTHING just to course an argument with pc users.

 

my post is stupid yes, but its to resemble yours.

[Snake Without a Tongue]

Safe to say everyone who made a snotty comment is gonna steal the game.

[nikonatorbelick]

what's up with the amount of stupidity in these forums as of late? people like the OP shouldn't even be allowed to post here, kids like him only bring pointless flamewars to these forums

 

could any moderator out there just close this thread already? there's nothing constructive to be said here, there's no critiquism to be had here hell there's not even a good argument between both sides to be had so what's the freaking point?

[5000 Staples]

what's up with the amount of stupidity in these forums as of late? people like the OP shouldn't even be allowed to post here, kids like him only bring pointless flamewars to these forums

 

could any moderator out there just close this thread already? there's nothing constructive to be said here, there's no critiquism to be had here hell there's not even a good argument between both sides to be had so what's the freaking point?

[InfernoV]

what's up with the amount of stupidity in these forums as of late? people like the OP shouldn't even be allowed to post here, kids like him only bring pointless flamewars to these forums

 

could any moderator out there just close this thread already? there's nothing constructive to be said here, there's no critiquism to be had here hell there's not even a good argument between both sides to be had so what's the freaking point?

Oh there we go with kid jokes. Makes me laugh. Im married got a job, got resposibities unlike you.

[5000 Staples]

what's up with the amount of stupidity in these forums as of late? people like the OP shouldn't even be allowed to post here, kids like him only bring pointless flamewars to these forums

 

could any moderator out there just close this thread already? there's nothing constructive to be said here, there's no critiquism to be had here hell there's not even a good argument between both sides to be had so what's the freaking point?

Oh there we go with kid jokes. Makes me laugh. Im married got a job, got resposibities unlike you.

And it begins.

[haarp]

 

The Console/PC Piracy myth.

 

First of all: No, I dont do piracy.

Second: This is not a moral or ethical thread as its clearcut that its wrong (unless your mother is ill and you gotta save her by copying games on discs covered in Nanobots, but they gotta be saturated in good game CNA [Code...whatever] and you cant afford to buy all the good games and noone wants to help. This situation also apply to any family or close friend.)

Third: Its not my intent to create two camps here. Also, please point out obvious errors.

 

So, I checked out that there Hawken game on the front page and for some reason I read the comments and suddenly out of nowhere theres this little argument about PC-gaming dying and that one of the reasons is piracy. That got me thinking: Is it really true that PC gaming has more and easier piracy going on? Well, 10 years ago Id say a clear yes, but today the PS3 might be the only one that can make that claim. Lets call this sh*t educated speculation because we can never know for sure what is being copied and to what extent.

 

When I first think of harder I think of actually getting pirated games to work. What does the consoles have in store?

The main difference here is that you have to flash the xbox 360 (which basically means the hdd gets amnesia and you get to teach it new tricks). Nothing too complex and there are a ton of tutorials and whatnot that explains it in detail. That is the basics and if you only play single-player games. You are set. Things get a bit harder if you still want to keep hooked up on Xbox Live, but it is doable and with a really small risk of being detected. Basically the method involves updating the homebrew dashboards and firmware etc. Id post references, but I dunno if thats wise or not. What I will say is that the information to perform the tasks above is by no means obscure (there are clips on youtube for gods sake).

In the end: yes, theres a small risk you'll get banned for using a flashed Xbox, but on the other hand it seems that you can play the games online most of the time.

 

Then we got the PS3. It took some time, but it got cracked in the end. It requires a physical card to crack which indeed makes it harder to get ready for piracy. Pirates dont recommend that you use Sonys own stuff or whatever its called, but there are alternatives to use that carries little to no risk. Which basically means that you dont really miss out. Same thing here: you gotta update some firmware to keep the games working, but nothing serious.

 

The PC, its easy, but playing a PC-game online isnt that common (happend in MW2 for 2-3 weeks) and there are cracked servers in a few games, but it isnt that commonplace for the multiplayer to work. To challenge myself I tried to find a bypass for a few of the more popular MP-games (SC2, BC2), but there is no crack to play these games online (or just LAN).

 

From what I gather the main obstacle for a console pirate is A) flash the device and B) small chance of being banned and that risk can be minimized. The PS3 is trickier tho since you need to get hardware (mailorder is harder). However, you seem to be able to play stuff online. The PC-pirate just gotta install a crack and accept that MP dont work. Does this make the PC easier? Debatable, but it has some upper-hands (or whatever you wanna call it).

 

The second thing I thought of was availability. If the machine is pirate ready: How can I get games and how many of them are there?

First we take an ABC in the world of Release-groups (aka the Scene. Such a stupid name). The Scene has its roots in competition: basically, who could crack and release a game first? As the PC took over (from Amiga) it also got more games and thus it was the hot-spot for release groups and there were a bunch of them. Now there are more games on the consoles and it is no coincidence that new release groups pops up like flowers in the spring. There is more competition (I got no clue if theres any copy protection on console games, but its still a matter of getting your paws on the game, packaging it and releasing it) and as the Scene is based on competition there is no mystery as to why console games get pirate released with a bigger frequency than PC-games. This information is also out there for all to see: http://www.nfohump.com/ (there are no PS3 games, but make no mistake. Google a PS3 game and put torrent at the end of it and voila).

 

So it seems that the consoles actually see more pirate activity than the PC does. If the piracy works like supply and demand theres a whole lot more console pirating going on (which is reinforced when you see to what extent updates are released for xbox games).

[Andreas]

Don't make stupid threads then.

Well, don't worry, I already have reported this topic. It only causes flamewars because of the way how InfernoV has written the OP. Anyway I think you (InfernoV) didn't know that Halo 4 was pirated on Xbox 360 a week before release and the same goes for Black Ops 2 if I'm not mistaken. Pirating on consoles is very common because it's not that hard to pirate games on XBox 360 and jailbreaking the Playstation 3 to offer the possibility to pirate games on it as well. There are no numbers that can really prove how much worse pirating is on PC but I can tell you it's not far better on consoles because lots of games get pirated on consoles before the games are even officially launched.

[Vincentto]

The Console/PC Piracy myth.

 

First of all: No, I dont do piracy.

Second: This is not a moral or ethical thread as its clearcut that its wrong (unless your mother is ill and you gotta save her by copying games on discs covered in Nanobots, but they gotta be saturated in good game CNA [Code...whatever] and you cant afford to buy all the good games and noone wants to help. This situation also apply to any family or close friend.)

Third: Its not my intent to create two camps here. Also, please point out obvious errors.

 

So, I checked out that there Hawken game on the front page and for some reason I read the comments and suddenly out of nowhere theres this little argument about PC-gaming dying and that one of the reasons is piracy. That got me thinking: Is it really true that PC gaming has more and easier piracy going on? Well, 10 years ago Id say a clear yes, but today the PS3 might be the only one that can make that claim. Lets call this sh*t educated speculation because we can never know for sure what is being copied and to what extent.

 

When I first think of harder I think of actually getting pirated games to work. What does the consoles have in store?

The main difference here is that you have to flash the xbox 360 (which basically means the hdd gets amnesia and you get to teach it new tricks). Nothing too complex and there are a ton of tutorials and whatnot that explains it in detail. That is the basics and if you only play single-player games. You are set. Things get a bit harder if you still want to keep hooked up on Xbox Live, but it is doable and with a really small risk of being detected. Basically the method involves updating the homebrew dashboards and firmware etc. Id post references, but I dunno if thats wise or not. What I will say is that the information to perform the tasks above is by no means obscure (there are clips on youtube for gods sake).

In the end: yes, theres a small risk you'll get banned for using a flashed Xbox, but on the other hand it seems that you can play the games online most of the time.

 

Then we got the PS3. It took some time, but it got cracked in the end. It requires a physical card to crack which indeed makes it harder to get ready for piracy. Pirates dont recommend that you use Sonys own stuff or whatever its called, but there are alternatives to use that carries little to no risk. Which basically means that you dont really miss out. Same thing here: you gotta update some firmware to keep the games working, but nothing serious.

 

The PC, its easy, but playing a PC-game online isnt that common (happend in MW2 for 2-3 weeks) and there are cracked servers in a few games, but it isnt that commonplace for the multiplayer to work. To challenge myself I tried to find a bypass for a few of the more popular MP-games (SC2, BC2), but there is no crack to play these games online (or just LAN).

 

From what I gather the main obstacle for a console pirate is A) flash the device and B) small chance of being banned and that risk can be minimized. The PS3 is trickier tho since you need to get hardware (mailorder is harder). However, you seem to be able to play stuff online. The PC-pirate just gotta install a crack and accept that MP dont work. Does this make the PC easier? Debatable, but it has some upper-hands (or whatever you wanna call it).

 

The second thing I thought of was availability. If the machine is pirate ready: How can I get games and how many of them are there?

First we take an ABC in the world of Release-groups (aka the Scene. Such a stupid name). The Scene has its roots in competition: basically, who could crack and release a game first? As the PC took over (from Amiga) it also got more games and thus it was the hot-spot for release groups and there were a bunch of them. Now there are more games on the consoles and it is no coincidence that new release groups pops up like flowers in the spring. There is more competition (I got no clue if theres any copy protection on console games, but its still a matter of getting your paws on the game, packaging it and releasing it) and as the Scene is based on competition there is no mystery as to why console games get pirate released with a bigger frequency than PC-games. This information is also out there for all to see: http://www.nfohump.com/ (there are no PS3 games, but make no mistake. Google a PS3 game and put torrent at the end of it and voila).

 

So it seems that the consoles actually see more pirate activity than the PC does. If the piracy works like supply and demand theres a whole lot more console pirating going on (which is reinforced when you see to what extent updates are released for xbox games).

Thank you now we can close this topic for what it is.

 

People a forum is to share your thought about the game.

We don't need 9gag picture or people hating on other users.

Express your feeling about the game and talk about it on a reasonable matter.

[K20]

we've all pirated a game we dont want to buy. a few games i wanted to try out, but theres no demo, so i downloaded it, which have some parts excluded, and then i bought the real deal.

 

with gta i've pre ordered for console, but will buy for pc later on when mods are available. i've bought all the gta games.

 

IMO GTA is worth the money, for the amount of gameplay time we get. unlike other games, play once, and nothing to do after.

 

and i recon people will pirate gta V once its out, but it wont be pirated as much as other games. 2 factors, its going to be worth going out and just buying it [after all the hype from console player] and it'll be too big in GB to download easily.

 

even saying all this, when does a pirated game go online, like a good month after? after enough seeders? and after a good working crack.

 

too many factors will lessen the chance of this edition being pirated.

[Jalaldinhoo]

LOL

 

 

Rockstar still makes millions from the pc

 

they don’t give a sh*t about piracy

 

they never lose money

 

you made it up from ur A**

 

 

ALL GTA are on PC but later

 

/thread

[DeafMetal]

Alright, fine. Here's a non-half-assed response for ya:

 

"550 million in sales of BO2 for consoles. 500 million worth of those people are just screaming 8 year olds who start fights. I dont understand and it angers me it is the main reason i despise console gamers."

 

That is the logic of your post. Sweeping generalizations of a group of gamers based on... uh... psychic powers that just happen to fall in line with stereotypes you've probably heard from other fanboys on whatever sites you visit.

 

But, hey, let's say that what you've said is true. Okay, this time around 80% of people pirate the game. What do you think Rockstar is gonna do? This: "Oh, hey, looks like 80% of the people pirated the game, so therefore we can deduct that the market on there isn't quite large enough for us to invest in it; VI will be a console exclusive." Boom, pirates shot themselves on the foot. It handles itself.

 

This is coming from -- get ready to gasp -- a primarily ps3 gamer!

[Jalaldinhoo]

 

Don't make stupid threads then.

Well, don't worry, I already have reported this topic. It only causes flamewars because of the way how InfernoV has written the OP. Anyway I think you (InfernoV) didn't know that Halo 4 was pirated on Xbox 360 a week before release and the same goes for Black Ops 2 if I'm not mistaken. Pirating on consoles is very common because it's not that hard to pirate games on XBox 360 and jailbreaking the Playstation 3 to offer the possibility to pirate games on it as well. There are no numbers that can really prove how much worse pirating is on PC but I can tell you it's not far better on consoles because lots of games get pirated on consoles before the games are even officially launched.

halo 4 was pirated a month before release

 

not 1 week

[5000 Staples]

Who remembers when you could chip your PS1... and ps2 . Oh wait.... I had a fake copy of GTA:SA doh !

 

[Shoumaker]

You make rockstar lose money then cry and moan that they are ignoring you.

And you live in a world where you think no one pirates the game for consoles.

We have a winner

 

Seriously stop making topics InfernoV

[ZZCOOL]

threads like these just makes me sad

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

Why pirate?

 

Probably because it's free and you only live once. Why spend your hard earned money on something that's free is the real question here? I just don't pirate GTA because it's more difficult to pirate console games and I have a lot of respect for R*. Everything else is fair game though to bluntly logical and honest. I still don't really pirate.

[Andreas]

 

Anyway I think you (InfernoV) didn't know that Halo 4 was pirated on Xbox 360 a week before release and the same goes for Black Ops 2 if I'm not mistaken.

halo 4 was pirated a month before release

 

not 1 week

Oh, yeah, then I have confused it with Black Ops 2. Then it's even worse! This piracy argument is very old now and it's like a lot people here, who make arguments even though they aren't even well-made, are beating a dead horse.

[InfernoV]

threads like these just makes me sad

That was not my purspose for making this thread.

 

Obviously rockstar are aware of the issue to that why they delayed the pc version

[Red XIII]

Why pirate?

 

Probably because it's free and you only live once. Why spend your hard earned money on something that's free is the real question here? I just don't pirate GTA because it's more difficult to pirate console games and I have a lot of respect for R*. Everything else is fair game though to bluntly logical and honest. I still don't really pirate.

well, a lot of devs spent there time working hard on a project for years, that is why we should spend our hard earned money on it, its equal and fair.

[5000 Staples]

threads like these just makes me sad

That was not my purspose for making this thread.

 

Obviously rockstar are aware of the issue to that why they delayed the pc version

I'm sorry.. but you can't say that is why the pc version is delayed.

 

Because fact is we don't know if the game is even in the works for it to be delayed and then it might not be a port so it might take longer for them to design and build.

 

 

 

[Shoumaker]

 

threads like these just makes me sad

That was not my purspose for making this thread.

 

Obviously rockstar are aware of the issue to that why they delayed the pc version

If that wasnt the purpose than this thread has no purpose at all.

[InfernoV]

threads like these just makes me sad

That was not my purspose for making this thread.

 

Obviously rockstar are aware of the issue to that why they delayed the pc version

If that wasnt the purpose than this thread has no purpose at all.

Making people sad was not the purpose.

The purpose was to make pc gamers realise if they keep pirating games the less chance big games like gta v will be marketed there. Example is rdr

[Hristov1984]

"You brought this on yourselfs and you deserve this punishment!"

 

OP tell me something, I'm a PC gamer, I've bought every single GTA PC title starting from the III era to nowadays. HOW THE F*CK did I brought this to myself and WHY SHOULD I deserve a punishment? Why should I even care about piracy, that's none of my concern, that's Rockstar's concern, my concern is giving them MY DAMN MONEY, I just want to buy and play THE F*CKING GAME at the same time console users get it, so nobody spoils it for me. I don't want to buy a f*cking console and change my way of playing. Stop spreading hate man!

[japse123]

I cant facepalm myselff enough to show how stupid the OP is ...

[Shoumaker]

Making people sad was not the purpose.

The purpose was to make pc gamers realise if they keep pirating games the less chance big games like gta v will be marketed there. Example is rdr

The reason why RDR wasnt released was becasue the game was developed by R* san diego and they dont make pc games, not because of pirates dude.

[InfernoV]

"You brought this on yourselfs and you deserve this punishment!"

 

OP tell me something, I'm a PC gamer, I've bought every single GTA PC title starting from the III era to nowadays. HOW THE F*CK did I brought this to myself and WHY SHOULD I deserve a punishment? Why should I even care about piracy, that's none of my concern, that's Rockstar's concern, my concern is giving them MY DAMN MONEY, I just want to buy and play THE F*CKING GAME at the same time console users get it, so nobody spoils it for me. I don't want to buy a f*cking console and change my way of playing. Stop spreading hate man!

No you dont deserve the punishment, people like you deserve to play gta v. Im sorry its not your fault but the majority of gamers bring people like you down