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Did a video on the Jamestown Project Vagos. What gang should be next?

This vid is an idea of what it might be like if the war between the Aztecas and MBG actually happened in-game. If they did a gang DLC I think it'd be cool to have a protag heavily involved in that war

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Part nostalgia and also that could just be rockstars version of crips and bloods on a broad spectrum. Here in L.A. gang activity is still very prevalant.. maybe not as flashy but its definitely still here. I can say confidently by watching the second trailer thay r* have captured this.. No there WONT be any gang wars or no crap like that. But the families and ballas are there. Franklin and lamar just happenes to grow up in a families hood im assuming.  Oh and look a little closer at lamar... Hes wearing a DARK GREEN shirt

 

@ celestial,, I DID say that.. here it is

I see now icon14.gif And "Celestail" not "Celestial" wink.gif

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There might also be gang wars too for all we know. He could help Lamar and their other friends .. Maybe that's one of his unique activities.. Just like Luis Lopez helped his friends who were street dealing.. He was all preachy about it and told them they shouldn't be doing it, yet helped them anyway.

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Part nostalgia and also that could just be rockstars version of crips and bloods on a broad spectrum. Here in L.A. gang activity is still very prevalant.. maybe not as flashy but its definitely still here. I can say confidently by watching the second trailer thay r* have captured this.. No there WONT be any gang wars or no crap like that. But the families and ballas are there. Franklin and lamar just happenes to grow up in a families hood im assuming.  Oh and look a little closer at lamar... Hes wearing a DARK GREEN shirt

 

@ celestial,, I DID say that.. here it is

I see now icon14.gif And "Celestail" not "Celestial" wink.gif

Oh my bad man @ celesTAIL

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There might also be gang wars too for all we know. He could help Lamar and their other friends .. Maybe that's one of his unique activities.. Just like Luis Lopez helped his friends who were street dealing.. He was all preachy about it and told them they shouldn't be doing it, yet helped them anyway.

Good God I hope so

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I hate the idea of III era characters returning in the HD era (not that they ever will). However I see nothing wrong with The Grove Street Families & The Ballas being present in V. In fact it would be stupid not to have them, if R* are trying to portray all areas of L.A. life. Even if the Bloods & Crips aren't as culturally relevant as they were in the early 90's, they are still very prevalent.

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I hate the idea of III era characters returning in the HD era (not that they ever will). However I see nothing wrong with The Grove Street Families & The Ballas being present in V. In fact it would be stupid not to have them, if R* are trying to portray all areas of L.A. life. Even if the Bloods & Crips aren't as culturally relevant as they were in the early 90's, they are still very prevalent.

Not necessarily Grove st but families yes.. But indeed you sir are correct

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It's bound to be imo.. I mean they have given three protagonists which seem to be designed to show us all alks of life in LA's criminal underworld.. They knew many fans wanted to play a business suit wearing rich protag, and they gave us Michael, they knew many fans wanted to play as a straight psycho, and they gave us Trevor..

 

And what is the other thing that many fans want to play as?

 

That's right, a badass dope slinging, drive by shooting, colour wearing, mac 10 toting gangster..

 

Haha i don't actually have a clue what the average gangster's weapon of choice is these days.. Probably something like a 9mm but this isn't real ife this is the GTA parody

 

Come on, who wouldn't be a bit disppointed to be able to do all that stuff in south central LA.. It would be a rather obvious gap in the crime dynamics.. This is LA, and this is a game about gangsters... Expect to see a lot of action involving street gangs.. Both black and Latino.

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It's bound to be imo.. I mean they have given three protagonists which seem to be designed to show us all alks of life in LA's criminal underworld.. They knew many fans wanted to play a business suit wearing rich protag, and they gave us Michael, they knew many fans wanted to play as a straight psycho, and they gave us Trevor..

 

And what is the other thing that many fans want to play as?

 

That's right, a badass dope slinging, drive by shooting, colour wearing, mac 10 toting gangster..

 

Haha i don't actually have a clue what the average gangster's weapon of choice is these days.. Probably something like a 9mm but this isn't real ife this is the GTA parody

 

Come on, who wouldn't be a bit disppointed to be able to do all that stuff in south central LA.. It would be a rather obvious gap in the crime dynamics.. This is LA, and this is a game about gangsters... Expect to see a lot of action involving street gangs.. Both black and Latino.

Just reading this gets me hype about the game... Good job bill

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Ballas and Families are the gta version of bloods n crips, so they have to come back. Just like cluckin bell is kfc and vinewood is hollywood. They won't have anything to do with CJ because he don't exist but they will be there. I don't know whats so hard to understand.

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Ballas and Families are the gta version of bloods n crips, so they have to come back. Just like cluckin bell is kfc and vinewood is hollywood. They won't have anything to do with CJ because he don't exist but they will be there. I don't know whats so hard to understand.

Some just wanna oppose and try to prove wrong when the evidence is powerful.. Soon time will talk for us

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Seeing as how the likes of the Leones and Forellis didn't return in IV, it stands to reason that if there are gangs in the hood (which I presume there will be), they won't be called Grove Street or Ballas etc.

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Just reading this gets me hype about the game... Good job bill

Yeah me too mate.. The thing is, that so many people are skeptical about having multiple protagonists, but i don't understand that, because it's really the only thing that makes sense.. Everyone wants to experience all side of the life without feeling totally stupid.

 

Michael would look like an idiot trying to drive through Rosecrans sporting bandanas etc, and Franklin will look stupid hanging out in trailer parks partying with bikers etc..

 

I was more worried that we would only get one protagonist, because that way, a large portion of the fanbase were going to be disappointed, but this way everyone gets a bit of what they want, and nobody gets left out.

 

Personally, i want to see everything, as that's how i remember always approaching GTA games ever since the first one, i wanted to work with all the different gangs and do all the different types of missions.

 

I'll be disappointed if there's no street gang action, it wouldn't make sense, and GTA has a lot of it's roots in street crime.

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Just reading this gets me hype about the game... Good job bill

Yeah me too mate.. The thing is, that so many people are skeptical about having multiple protagonists, but i don't understand that, because it's really the only thing that makes sense.. Everyone wants to experience all side of the life without feeling totally stupid.

 

Michael would look like an idiot trying to drive through Rosecrans sporting bandanas etc, and Franklin will look stupid hanging out in trailer parks partying with bikers etc..

 

I was more worried that we would only get one protagonist, because that way, a large portion of the fanbase were going to be disappointed, but this way everyone gets a bit of what they want, and nobody gets left out.

 

Personally, i want to see everything, as that's how i remember always approaching GTA games ever since the first one, i wanted to work with all the different gangs and do all the different types of missions.

 

I'll be disappointed if there's no street gang action, it wouldn't make sense, and GTA has a lot of it's roots in street crime.

In my opinion rockstar are fcking genius.. Looking out for MOST demographics

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True, there are always going to be some who don't get what they were hoping for, but of course they can only have so many protagonists. They seem to have catered for what most people were asking for.

 

I must admit i was slightly surprised that we didn't play as a Latino character, given the makeup of LA.

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True, there are always going to be some who don't get what they were hoping for, but of course they can only have so many protagonists. They seem to have catered for what most people were asking for.

 

I must admit i was slightly surprised that we didn't play as a Latino character, given the makeup of LA.

Me too... Wouldve been cool to have a sureno who has to work his way up the ladder to become mexican mafia

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True, there are always going to be some who don't get what they were hoping for, but of course they can only have so many protagonists. They seem to have catered for what most people were asking for.

 

I must admit i was slightly surprised that we didn't play as a Latino character, given the makeup of LA.

Well maybe, just maybe there is a chance for at least DLC with mexican protagonist and story focused on drug trafficking and cartels.

 

If there are not cartels as mission givers or at least as an enemy at some point in the game, then R* miss it big time.

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WOW Y'ALL ARE IDIOTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE 3D ERA VS THE HD ERA.

 

I'll explain in FULL DETAIL how this whole Gang thing works in the two GTA  Eras. The STATE of San Andreas can exist in any era because it's a BRAND. The city of Los Santos can exist in any era because it's also a BRAND. San Andreas=California and Los Santos=Los Angeles The Families are THE GANG known for wearing GREEN. The Ballas are THE GANG known for wearing PURPLE. Gangs in the two eras are BRANDS. So that means they can exist in each era. Grove Street, Temple Drive and Serville Boulevard are SETS from them FAMILIES GANG. They CAN NOT return because they aren't a BRAND, they're just a SUB GROUP from a MAIN BRAND (The Families). Rollin' Heights, Temple Drive, Kilo Trays and the Front Yards are SETS from the BALLAS GANG. Those SETS can not return in the HD era because they aren't BRANDS, they're also SUB GROUPS from the BRAND (Ballas). The Ballas and The Families are the EQUIVALENT BRANDS to Los Santos, San Andreas as The Bloods and The Crips are EQUIVALENT BRANDS to Los Angeles, California.

 

So both Franklin and Lamar could very well be from THE FAMILIES but their SET is going to be different from the 3D era set. They could be from a newer set, for example: East Side Ganton Families, West Side Ganton Families, 102nd Street Families, etc. etc. BUT Franklin is moving on from the Gang Life. Lamar is trapped in that Bangin' mindset, trying to pull Frank back into it. That's why you saw Franklin with a GREEN BANDANNA over his face. There's only ONE GANG known for sporting green rags and that's FAMILIES. They were chasing a man wearing purple street clothes BUT he had NO RAG hanging or across his face so he is therefore an ASSUMED Ballas gang member.

dude all of that was said already. Point is all off these brands don't make returns, especially when it comes to gangs. R* has never reused any gangs, so because were in L.A. they must res-use this brand? something they never done before? all while trying to give the user a new experience. Doesn't fit, the argument of because they are wearing purple and green must signify families and ballas holds no weight. Franklin also wears blue and white, in the trailer the other guy with him wears grey, so what? I get that it's weird that R* would put this in there if it didn't mean anything but like some other guy said, they put diablo reference in gta 4 trailer and that never materialized and had no significance, it was simply for nostalgia. Same thing this purple and green sh*t could turn up being.

Gangs of today don't really care what color clothing you have on. It's all about what color rag you are flying (displaying for those that don't know). I could wear a orange shirt and black jeans, but that orange shirt doesn't mean I'm from Hoover Criminal Gang. If I got a red rag in my back right pocket but I'm wearing another color outfit then obviously I'm still representing Bloods.

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WOW Y'ALL ARE IDIOTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE 3D ERA VS THE HD ERA.

 

I'll explain in FULL DETAIL how this whole Gang thing works in the two GTA  Eras. The STATE of San Andreas can exist in any era because it's a BRAND. The city of Los Santos can exist in any era because it's also a BRAND. San Andreas=California and Los Santos=Los Angeles The Families are THE GANG known for wearing GREEN. The Ballas are THE GANG known for wearing PURPLE. Gangs in the two eras are BRANDS. So that means they can exist in each era. Grove Street, Temple Drive and Serville Boulevard are SETS from them FAMILIES GANG. They CAN NOT return because they aren't a BRAND, they're just a SUB GROUP from a MAIN BRAND (The Families). Rollin' Heights, Temple Drive, Kilo Trays and the Front Yards are SETS from the BALLAS GANG. Those SETS can not return in the HD era because they aren't BRANDS, they're also SUB GROUPS from the BRAND (Ballas). The Ballas and The Families are the EQUIVALENT BRANDS to Los Santos, San Andreas as The Bloods and The Crips are EQUIVALENT BRANDS to Los Angeles, California.

 

So both Franklin and Lamar could very well be from THE FAMILIES but their SET is going to be different from the 3D era set. They could be from a newer set, for example: East Side Ganton Families, West Side Ganton Families, 102nd Street Families, etc. etc. BUT Franklin is moving on from the Gang Life. Lamar is trapped in that Bangin' mindset, trying to pull Frank back into it. That's why you saw Franklin with a GREEN BANDANNA over his face. There's only ONE GANG known for sporting green rags and that's FAMILIES. They were chasing a man wearing purple street clothes BUT he had NO RAG hanging or across his face so he is therefore an ASSUMED Ballas gang member.

dude all of that was said already. Point is all off these brands don't make returns, especially when it comes to gangs. R* has never reused any gangs, so because were in L.A. they must res-use this brand? something they never done before? all while trying to give the user a new experience. Doesn't fit, the argument of because they are wearing purple and green must signify families and ballas holds no weight. Franklin also wears blue and white, in the trailer the other guy with him wears grey, so what? I get that it's weird that R* would put this in there if it didn't mean anything but like some other guy said, they put diablo reference in gta 4 trailer and that never materialized and had no significance, it was simply for nostalgia. Same thing this purple and green sh*t could turn up being.

Gangs of today don't really care what color clothing you have on. It's all about what color rag you are flying (displaying for those that don't know). I could wear a orange shirt and black jeans, but that orange shirt doesn't mean I'm from Hoover Criminal Gang if I got a red rag I'm my back right pocket.

Yupppp.. But not necessarily.. That can go for what kind of logo is on your hat or name on your shirt aswell.. For instance nutty blocc compton crips wear NY yankees caps

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I thought it said Ballas, but looks to me like Gawns or something is closer... the B defo looks more like a G anyway... also, the second A doesnt look like an A anymore?

 

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I thought it said Ballas, but looks to me like Gawns or something is closer... the B defo looks more like a G anyway... also, the second A doesnt look like an A anymore?

 

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Good job on this. pretty much this means nothing because if you think that's still looks like an A then you need to go get your eyes checked. this is about as important as all these random tags across the city.

 

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4129/gtaw.png

 

 

 

How's that anything like what i said though?

 

If somebody says Grove street can't be in the game, because CJ doesn't exist, they are conveniently ignoring the fact that Vinewood and Los Santos itself were a part of CJ's world, and so if they can be in the game then Grove street can be without any additional paradoxes being created. You're the one creating this scenario where San Andreas was like a movie or anything of that kind.

 

And as for the guys in purple, yes they could just be wearing purple for no reason, but it can't be denied that it is a remarkable coincidence and one they put in deliberately. As for the green being representative of money, well that could also be true, but are Michael, or Trevor, or anyone else for that matter depicted with that colour much?

 

And of course i didn't mention the guys not wearing colours as i'm obviously not suggesting that every person in the game will be a Balla or Families member. We're obviously specifically talking about the guys who are wearing colours.

 

you're getting completely confused with that im trying to say. When i say Grove i should clarify, im talking about the "families" the gangs themselves ballas, whoever, the history, that whole storyline within san andreas. for all we know there could be a random grove street. it just wont be cj's grove street and HIS STORYLINE that came along with it, since it was a different universe. Los Santos exists because its a city, but what went on in san andreas directly related to CJ's storyline doesn't exist in this new world R* is creating.

 

It is a coincidence but so was the diablo reference in gta 4 trailer that meant absolutely nothing.

 

Michael is wearing green here, but does this mean his a part of the family? thats a huge generalization just because of a certain color, and its a dumb one to make, so why should these other guys get treated any differently?

 

http://www.ign.com/images/games/grand-thef...670477d835a7ddf

 

 

 

 

there is also green and purple guys in this pic, does this mean that we should all assume "yup, the families and ballas are back"? absolutely not. this isn't the first trailer they are showing these colors, it's just you guys want to associate them and try to find meanings within something that has none. i get why you would think his purple means something because it looks like he is being shot at etc

 

 

 

http://www.ign.com/images/games/grand-thef...dc388ed13f639a7

 

 

 

 

 

I cant wait until spring to prove you wrong..Challenge!!  ...But you honestly cant see what the dudes in the drive by are wearing.. Im thinking franklins driving and someone is shooting at that balla while chop is chasing him..Which explains him and chop sliding over same car in next clip...Watch that part of the trailer closely.. pay attention

 

i look forward to it but you wont be proving me wrong smile.gif also the guy shooting in the car sticks his arm out and you can see he's wearing white. To top it off both those scenes dont look connected. yea the dog is the same, but the part where you see him running looks foggy, while the drive by doesn't. when you see him running you could see it's getting dark because there is a light turned on in the left hand corner, while the drive by looks to be in broad daylight and no light post are on. But when the construction worker coming out of his car the time of day looks different again so it could simply be the lighting effect.

 

There is more than 1 rottweiler in this game, just like theres duplicates of peds roaming the street. This could have showed how dogs are incorporated in the game by chasing a guy, who for example, was trying to break into a house. They already said that the city would be doing a lot of different things, that you can interact with if you so choose to. Besides the dog being in the same scene you have no other proof that the drive-by in the previous scene was a connection and they were in fact shooting at this "balla"so why couldn't this also be a hypothesis? it's not wrong just like yours isn't wrong either, point is that it can be taken into perspective several different ways.

 

 

 

Ballas and Families are the gta version of bloods n crips, so they have to come back. Just like cluckin bell is kfc and vinewood is hollywood. They won't have anything to do with CJ because he don't exist but they will be there. I don't know whats so hard to understand.

 

simple. Don't compare landmarks or brands to gangs, gangs have never made a return from a previous gta, so why would they now? because were in LA? that makes no sense. Gangs will be there im sure, but its not going to be recycled gangs because R* has never done it before, and they even say they want to keep the universes separate. By bringing in a gang from the ps2 era is doing what R* said they don't want to do. i don't know whats so hard to understand.

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You guys DO realise that San Andreas existed LONG before GTA SA? GTA 1 the last level.

and were there any families or ballas? did those gta1 gangs carry over to SA?

 

thats the point, all the ps2 games had a certain focal point or a representation that was the whole point of the game, which made each one very unique. GTA3 had the godfather theme, VC had the whole scarface theme, SA had the 90's gang culture theme. These were simply parodies of things that R* enjoyed, and even in that book jacked, they wanted to recreate and pay homage to them in something they were good at, video games.

 

That is now done and over with, they decided to keep the cities because they have kept them since gta1, and lets be honest, who wants to play in a fictional Minnesota, or Iowa? so it makes sense to keep these cities because they are the most interesting ones. However, it's time to move forward and introduce new ideas and not keep living in the past, and that's what they've done thus far.

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You guys DO realise that San Andreas existed LONG before GTA SA? GTA 1 the last level.

and were there any families or ballas? did those gta1 gangs carry over to SA?

 

thats the point, all the ps2 games had a certain focal point or a representation that was the whole point of the game, which made each one very unique. GTA3 had the godfather theme, VC had the whole scarface theme, SA had the 90's gang culture theme. These were simply parodies of things that R* enjoyed, and even in that book jacked, they wanted to recreate and pay homage to them in something they were good at, video games.

 

That is now done and over with, they decided to keep the cities because they have kept them since gta1, and lets be honest, who wants to play in a fictional Minnesota, or Iowa? so it makes sense to keep these cities because they are the most interesting ones. However, it's time to move forward and introduce new ideas and not keep living in the past, and that's what they've done thus far.

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

 

And i'm pretty sure that 2 guys wearing purple and a park bench saying "GAWNS" doesn't mean Ballas and GSF are back, they're gone, get over it.

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You guys DO realise that San Andreas existed LONG before GTA SA? GTA 1 the last level.

and were there any families or ballas? did those gta1 gangs carry over to SA?

 

thats the point, all the ps2 games had a certain focal point or a representation that was the whole point of the game, which made each one very unique. GTA3 had the godfather theme, VC had the whole scarface theme, SA had the 90's gang culture theme. These were simply parodies of things that R* enjoyed, and even in that book jacked, they wanted to recreate and pay homage to them in something they were good at, video games.

 

That is now done and over with, they decided to keep the cities because they have kept them since gta1, and lets be honest, who wants to play in a fictional Minnesota, or Iowa? so it makes sense to keep these cities because they are the most interesting ones. However, it's time to move forward and introduce new ideas and not keep living in the past, and that's what they've done thus far.

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

 

And i'm pretty sure that 2 guys wearing purple and a park bench saying "GAWNS" doesn't mean Ballas and GSF are back, they're gone, get over it.

My God.. smh.. READ MY FIRST POST.. These fools dont read. NOT Grove street families!!!!

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I'd expect different names and colors for black street gangs in GTA V, being it's a different universe.

I expected that too.. until I saw trailer 2 and the picture with franklin wearing green bandana

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You guys DO realise that San Andreas existed LONG before GTA SA? GTA 1 the last level.

and were there any families or ballas? did those gta1 gangs carry over to SA?

 

thats the point, all the ps2 games had a certain focal point or a representation that was the whole point of the game, which made each one very unique. GTA3 had the godfather theme, VC had the whole scarface theme, SA had the 90's gang culture theme. These were simply parodies of things that R* enjoyed, and even in that book jacked, they wanted to recreate and pay homage to them in something they were good at, video games.

 

That is now done and over with, they decided to keep the cities because they have kept them since gta1, and lets be honest, who wants to play in a fictional Minnesota, or Iowa? so it makes sense to keep these cities because they are the most interesting ones. However, it's time to move forward and introduce new ideas and not keep living in the past, and that's what they've done thus far.

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

 

And i'm pretty sure that 2 guys wearing purple and a park bench saying "GAWNS" doesn't mean Ballas and GSF are back, they're gone, get over it.

My God.. smh.. READ MY FIRST POST.. These fools dont read. NOT Grove street families!!!!

GSF, Families what the f*ck, who cares?

We're getting an entirely new universe, there's gonna be some major changes, as there has always been. remember old LC? Then GTA IV rolled about and completely changed it, COMPLETELY, same is going to happen with LS.

 

Why do you care so much about these guys?

Didn't you kill enough of them in SA?

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You guys DO realise that San Andreas existed LONG before GTA SA? GTA 1 the last level.

and were there any families or ballas? did those gta1 gangs carry over to SA?

 

thats the point, all the ps2 games had a certain focal point or a representation that was the whole point of the game, which made each one very unique. GTA3 had the godfather theme, VC had the whole scarface theme, SA had the 90's gang culture theme. These were simply parodies of things that R* enjoyed, and even in that book jacked, they wanted to recreate and pay homage to them in something they were good at, video games.

 

That is now done and over with, they decided to keep the cities because they have kept them since gta1, and lets be honest, who wants to play in a fictional Minnesota, or Iowa? so it makes sense to keep these cities because they are the most interesting ones. However, it's time to move forward and introduce new ideas and not keep living in the past, and that's what they've done thus far.

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

 

And i'm pretty sure that 2 guys wearing purple and a park bench saying "GAWNS" doesn't mean Ballas and GSF are back, they're gone, get over it.

My God.. smh.. READ MY FIRST POST.. These fools dont read. NOT Grove street families!!!!

GSF, Families what the f*ck, who cares?

We're getting an entirely new universe, there's gonna be some major changes, as there has always been. remember old LC? Then GTA IV rolled about and completely changed it, COMPLETELY, same is going to happen with LS.

 

Why do you care so much about these guys?

Didn't you kill enough of them in SA?

oh man... Im done. Mods yall can close if you want. Time will make you guys look stupid

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please rockstar bring them back!! it was so much fun to play as a gangmember inGTA SA, it was so much fun to recruit some homies and do drive by's

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You guys DO realise that San Andreas existed LONG before GTA SA? GTA 1 the last level.

and were there any families or ballas? did those gta1 gangs carry over to SA?

 

thats the point, all the ps2 games had a certain focal point or a representation that was the whole point of the game, which made each one very unique. GTA3 had the godfather theme, VC had the whole scarface theme, SA had the 90's gang culture theme. These were simply parodies of things that R* enjoyed, and even in that book jacked, they wanted to recreate and pay homage to them in something they were good at, video games.

 

That is now done and over with, they decided to keep the cities because they have kept them since gta1, and lets be honest, who wants to play in a fictional Minnesota, or Iowa? so it makes sense to keep these cities because they are the most interesting ones. However, it's time to move forward and introduce new ideas and not keep living in the past, and that's what they've done thus far.

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

 

And i'm pretty sure that 2 guys wearing purple and a park bench saying "GAWNS" doesn't mean Ballas and GSF are back, they're gone, get over it.

My God.. smh.. READ MY FIRST POST.. These fools dont read. NOT Grove street families!!!!

GSF, Families what the f*ck, who cares?

We're getting an entirely new universe, there's gonna be some major changes, as there has always been. remember old LC? Then GTA IV rolled about and completely changed it, COMPLETELY, same is going to happen with LS.

 

Why do you care so much about these guys?

Didn't you kill enough of them in SA?

 

 

lol that gawns is hilarious. apparently they haven't got enough of them in SA. but seriously if any gang should come back it's zaibatsu, how amazing would that be? maybe they will be back since Michael is wearing a suit. icon14.gif

 

 

please rockstar bring them back!! it was so much fun to play as a gangmember inGTA SA, it was so much fun to recruit some homies and do drive by's

 

ummm why not just play san andreas then?

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