lil weasel Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) The topic is easy to drift because it deals with NO true information. The Story is lacking conecting tissue, it's just muscle. . Now, you say Ryder 'knows'? I don't think so. Ryder is too much into weapons and using drugs. BS is running the drugs with Tenpenny. This all leads to WHY is Tenpenny 'scared' of CJ? Carl was only '18' when he left town. It is never explained why/how Biran died and what Carl didn't do to prevent it. Carl doesn't appear to know anything about the drug dealing right up to 'Green Sabre'. What was Big Smoke's connection with the Russians? What was Sweet doing as gang (family) leader? Big Smoke could have offed Carl a number of times but he didn't. Which brings us back to Sweet. Who was the target of the Drive-By that killed his mums? What purpose does offing her (as prime target) affect Sweet, other than to maybe bring back Carl? I would expect that if they knew Carl was coming home they as a Family would have met him at the Airport and then driven to the kirkyard. At least all the families I know would have. So we're back to Pure Speculation. Edited November 21, 2012 by lil weasel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 C'mon lil weasel these are easy questions to solve. Of course CJ didn't know about BS involvement with C.R.A.S.H. because he is a bit dumb. Few times we see Tenpenny and Pulaski hanging around BS. It takes CJ time to wake up, even up to the mission cut scene 'King In Exile' where CJ remarks 'Smoke might mess with C.R.A.S.H. but he ain't into no yay' he won't even wake up to this fact that BS is a drug dealer. Yes Ryder is into drugs and weapons but he was in cohoots with BS from the 1st mission cause Ryder preferred to ride the bike paired with BS and they were not that nice to CJ. Why was Sweet the leader of the Grove? Who else was going to do it? CJ left for LC and didn't come back until five years later. The Russian involvement? The mission 'Just Business' is where we help BS with a weapons deal that went wrong. How do I know this? You find out through the mission 'Gray Imports' when Tenpenny talks about 'a lot of cheap weapons coming in since the fall of the wall, Carl' in reference to the end of the Berlin Wall. Simple investigating solves these questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 There we go. Now, why didn't Sweet & Kendle know that CJ was coming home? Why didn't they meet CJ at the airport? And, we're back to why was Big Smoke in CJ's home? Did moms have a will? Why did she leave the house to CJ, instead of Kendle, or did she? Why was Big Smoke in the House and not with the family at the kirkyard? Where was the rest of the Orange Grove gang? No Respect for the dead woman? So Big Smoke's car gets blasted, where how did the others get there, by bike? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 There we go. Now, why didn't Sweet & Kendle know that CJ was coming home? Why didn't they meet CJ at the airport? And, we're back to why was Big Smoke in CJ's home? Did moms have a will? Why did she leave the house to CJ, instead of Kendle, or did she? Why was Big Smoke in the House and not with the family at the kirkyard? Where was the rest of the Orange Grove gang? No Respect for the dead woman? So Big Smoke's car gets blasted, where how did the others get there, by bike? I don't think so. Sweet and Kendl knew CJ was coming home cause Sweet told CJ moms was dead. We didn't hear it in the script but CJ prob told Sweet he was coming home. They didn't meet CJ at airport cause Sweet was angry for not being home supporting the gang. Did moms have a will? UNKNOWN I think the house WAS left to CJ, as its our 1st destination. Why BS in the house? Maybe he protecting it from further Ballas attacks or what I said earlier about setting up CJ so that CJ would not suspect anything. The rest of the gang were not even around at the time of the moms funeral. They slowly rebuilt their numbers through the story. Yes I do think they rode bikes to the graveyard, to not arouse Ballas suspiscion. If the Ballas saw them all leaving Grove Street in vehicles, then the Grove cul de sac could have been left open to Ballas robbing them, spraying tags and basically tearing up the place. Leaving on bikes by stealth would have been a smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 So CJ took Kendles bike And, Big smoke took ... who's? You should do a new Story topic reference: My Chain Story my own GTA SAN ANDREAS Chain Story {Read Only} THE CHAIN STORY Vr. 3 {read only} The Chain Story Benjimino234 style story.{READ ONLY} Your story line. {read only] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 There will be a lot of opinions, I guess. Let me toss in my 2 cents. Guys, it's GTA, for hell's sake! And like in any GTA, there will be lots of tiny ambiguities that will have as much answers to them as the number of people playing the game. Nobody will ever know who is actually correct, and I guess that the Rockstar team didn't even busy themselves with trying to give answers to these little details. It's all about speculation and proving that you are right, and not someone else. I'd say "Big Smoke was there because he was there, because Rockstar did it that way!". The same I'd say about all the other ambiguous situations, and focus on playing the game instead. Because San Andreas's story is the most unclear of all the III era GTAs, and it would take a super-genius to put it together with all the slightest details. I'm no super-genius, as nobody else here is. And that would have to settle it, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 RIGHT! "Why Did?" in the game is like a Religion. If somebody asks, somebody else feels it necessary to make something up. Then we have believers and those who don't. We should just Play the game and ENJOY our time off the real streets of danger, and depression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 RIGHT!"Why Did?" in the game is like a Religion. If somebody asks, somebody else feels it necessary to make something up. Then we have believers and those who don't. We should just Play the game and ENJOY our time off the real streets of danger, and depression End of conversation and lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyDog Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 He was looking for Tigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OG Viking Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Brian's murder. Who was Brian? Did he or anyone else in San Andreas appear in other games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celestail Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 @OG Viking: Brian was CJ's other brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 BRIAN Topics: What happened to him. CJ let Brian Die? Read Only. What happened to him? Read Only. Brian Johnson, How did he die? Read Only. Brian’s Death? Read Only. Brian Johnson Read Only. Brian “spoilers’ Read Only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flesh-n-Bone Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Smoke was probably just emptying the refrigerator at the time. A bigger question to me is, WHERE WAS SMOKE DURING THE HOUSE PARTY? He's never seen in the inside when CJ arrives, he's not outside with Sweet and company and even when Ryder says "I'm going to get Smoke and some Grove boys" before the Ballas arrive, he's never sighted anywhere. Another mysterious question: Was that Sweet using the Burger Shot toilet when OG Loc was cleaning that place up and started rapping only for the Sweet lookalike to tell him that he sucks? Think about it, the voice was EXACTLY the same, the clothing was similar and they even look the same. Damn, I love this type of questions regarding the games (specially SA), just so fun to speculate on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papi Chulo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Smoke was probably just emptying the refrigerator at the time. A bigger question to me is, WHERE WAS SMOKE DURING THE HOUSE PARTY? He's never seen in the inside when CJ arrives, he's not outside with Sweet and company and even when Ryder says "I'm going to get Smoke and some Grove boys" before the Ballas arrive, he's never sighted anywhere. Another mysterious question: Was that Sweet using the Burger Shot toilet when OG Loc was cleaning that place up and started rapping only for the Sweet lookalike to tell him that he sucks? Think about it, the voice was EXACTLY the same, the clothing was similar and they even look the same. Damn, I love this type of questions regarding the games (specially SA), just so fun to speculate on. Smoke was lowkey riding with the ballas . So he knew the ballas was plotting on grove, why would he wanna go to the party & get caught up in the cross fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoonhagaydoon Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think Ryder disappears and never comes back for the final fight but im not too sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrinPA Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 A bigger question to me is, WHERE WAS SMOKE DURING THE HOUSE PARTY? He's never seen in the inside when CJ arrives, he's not outside with Sweet and company and even when Ryder says "I'm going to get Smoke and some Grove boys" before the Ballas arrive, he's never sighted anywhere. Smoke was lowkey riding with the ballas . So he knew the ballas was plotting on grove, why would he wanna go to the party & get caught up in the cross fire. Exactly, Big Smoke was also plotting ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomZoom Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 He was trying to fix himself a large sandwich and going to eat that cereal box on the kitchen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think Ryder disappears and never comes back for the final fightbut im not too sure I'm sure Ryder get's KILLED in the middle of the Game. (no don't answer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celestail Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'm sure Ryder get's KILLED in the middle of the Game. (no don't answer). Peir 69 is the mission but such a old game why bother placing spoiler tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoonhagaydoon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 ^ You never know if some newbie comes in and sees it and never played the game - highly unlikeable for something like that to happen. but spoiler tags are must need. Even for games like fallout 1-2 - Those games are older but I never played them, so that's why ALL games need spoiler tags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.I.M. Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'm sure Ryder get's KILLED in the middle of the Game. (no don't answer). Peir 69 is the mission but such a old game why bother placing spoiler tags Some guys till play the game dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoonhagaydoon Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I sometimes forget putting spoiler tags cause I'm always rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBrick142 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 My guess it that Smoke was planting a bug. Also, CJ is being treated like if they didnt know he was coming back. by these quotes. "BS:Hey, what's up, y'all? Look who I found hanging around." "Kendl:Carl, hey, good to see you" "Ryder:Why'd you bother coming back?" This means that Big Smoke did'nt know of CJ returning and was in the house for some reason. Smoke also didnt get trouble from Sweet or others for not coming to funeral (Note that Ryder came in), so he definetly said that he got some business to attend. This leaves up to Smoke to plant a bug or look for notes. Funerals usually take some time and Beverly was buried already and no other people was there when they came in so Smoke he was given enough time to look for family secrets or plant a bug to let Ballas listen to CJ, Sweet or others and let them know of Families' plans. Now we are left to another question. Why did he need a bat? My guess is that he needed a bat in case if someone from the families just came in and see Smoke walk around or if one would be aware of him betraying.Last thing, he could just end up in kitchen eating from the fridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabeRuth Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm sure Ryder get's KILLED in the middle of the Game. (no don't answer). Peir 69 is the mission but such a old game why bother placing spoiler tags I for one, still play the game. There are so many mysteries & holes in this game that are unexplained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard1997jones Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Probably checcking in on the house, back then he was ok it was only towards the end he went all bent. By the way love the bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aflien Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Big Smoke had something to there. He used the opportunity since no one was there to do something. Then CJ walked in and suprised him. He thought to kill him, escape or greet him. He wanted to kill him but he realized that he could use him and quickly switched to greeting. Then he offered to drive with CJ to meet with his brother. He was doing something and he didn't want CJ to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runeiverse Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I think he was cleaning up CJ's house for his arrival. He just had to clean up the spilled jar of honey when CJ came and he thought he was a burglar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapapote Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I think Ryder disappears and never comes back for the final fightbut im not too sure I'm sure Ryder get's KILLED in the middle of the Game. (no don't answer). Perhaps he meant, during the same mission? That he doesn't come back to fight the incoming Ballas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizo008 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Pretty sure he was waiting for CJ to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Vega-- Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 He was burglarizing the house when he noticed CJ and came up with a Plan B. LOL really though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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