PC Version of GTA V Discussion

[DymeDef]

 

 

 

Nowhere does that say anything about it requiring all players to play on the same server and same instance. The MMO world is different now.

 

An MMO does not just mean how WoW works. Or requiring the ability to host thousands upon thousands of individuals on a single instance or server. Not even close. D2 is considered an MMO, how the f*ck is that anything like the typical MMO you guys keep describing?

 

If thousands of people are playing together in some fashion over the internet, the game is likely considered an MMO. Nowhere does it say in MMO (Massively Multiplayer Online game):

 

Massively Multiplayer all in one server online game

 

or

 

Massively multiplayer all across two or three servers online game

 

or

 

massively all in one game multiplayer online game

 

 

It doesn't, why? Because that is not how you define an MMO.

 

Did I say anything about amount of players? No I did not. Where did I mention WoW? Where did I say I define an MMO? World is defining what is MMO and Call of Duty is not an MMOFPS. Period. If it was, its genre would be MMOFPS and not FPS. You will argue with devs?

Ok then lick brian. ass.

 

Why did I say that? Because it seems so, you just want to argue with anybody that oppose him. Are you his clone? Can mods check IP?

 

Lol, yes I am brains clone and I have never once disagreed with anything he has ever said.

 

No I don't disagree with what he says when it is true. I have contested his posts before and had differing opinions. But then again, this is coming from you who thought those Rockstar Promo shots were from console (LOLOLOL).

 

No you say that because you can not prove you are correct and then turn to just claiming it is right because the industry claims it is only an FPS. Guess what? APB is not an MMO by your definition, yet it is classed as an MMO on every gaming site and anything gaming related.

 

 

You have just been trumped.

 

Where did I mention APB?

 

And I posted back about those screenshots... Go check it. Neither did you post any proof, only claims. At least I posted some source and have backing from industry.

 

But yeah, then we can remove MMO, because every game with MP is MMO.

 

 

Proof? A wiki link? That didn't confirm a single word you said. Lol you are hilarious.

 

And you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did you say anything about APB, but apparently I am not allowed to bring examples into this discussion because it would prove you wrong. I already proved you wrong, APB has AT MOST 100 players playing in a server.

 

100 players

 

BF3 can have 256

 

BF3 you say is not an MMO

 

APB is considered an MMO in the industry

 

More players in a single game in BF3 than the MMO APB

 

 

 

Why am I trying to explain something logical to you? You do not have the ability to retain information, I have already explained this yet you continue to claim I have no proof.

 

GO LOOK UP APB. ANYWHERE, ANY f*ckING WHERE will have it put up as an MMO. Your definition goes against this in every possible way.

 

Again, sit down. you do not know what an MMO is. An MMO has changed from before.....

 

 

 

All I see are people claiming high number of player counts matter.

 

APB IS AN MMO

 

Why don't you all go do some research eh? Go look up APB, see what it is classified as. I will do that for you, MMO.

 

Now find out how many people canbe in a server at once. I will do that for you too, 100.

 

Now find out if anything they do has mucheffect on any toher player outside of their mission (yes you are not allowed to interact with anyone outside of your mission). I already explained that too.

 

So, how is this classified as an MMO by anyone who is anyone in the gaming industry, yet a game like BF3 with MORE players is not?

 

Lol.... I guess this explains a lot

Edited September 24, 2013 by DymeDef

[Fireprufe15]

So, Brian, by your definition, Borderlands 2 is an MMO. Max Payne 3 is an MMO. Damn even GTA V without the online must be an MMO because you can compare stats with others on socialclub.

[r34ld34l]

Eh, who cares if it is MMO or not. If I'm right then great, if not, then also great.

No offence to anyone, I just disagree with that CoD is MMOFPS.



Ninja... BF3 have max. 64 players.

Edited September 24, 2013 by r34ld34l

[_Kindled_]

Eh, who cares if it is MMO or not. If I'm right then great, if not, then also great.

 

No offence to anyone, I just disagree with that CoD is MMOFPS.

 

 

 

Ninja... BF3 have max. 64 players.

Then what is it, then? MMOTPS?

[r34ld34l]

 

Eh, who cares if it is MMO or not. If I'm right then great, if not, then also great.

 

No offence to anyone, I just disagree with that CoD is MMOFPS.

 

 

 

Ninja... BF3 have max. 64 players.

Then what is it, then? MMOTPS?

 

FPS

[SilverRST]

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

Edited September 24, 2013 by SilverRST

[_Kindled_]

 

 

Eh, who cares if it is MMO or not. If I'm right then great, if not, then also great.

 

No offence to anyone, I just disagree with that CoD is MMOFPS.

 

 

 

Ninja... BF3 have max. 64 players.

Then what is it, then? MMOTPS?

 

FPS

 

If you were correcting me. I was being sarcastic.

 

Otherwise, you're stating what CoD is.

[brian.]

 

That could probably be the case, and yes, the texture looks ugly because they can't use tessellation to make it look better in current-gen.

I swear there was a game on this gen where they seemed to use tessellation. Anybody know the game?

 

 

Gran Turismo 6 is slated to be the first PS3 game supporting limited tessellation on vehicles. Impossible on xbox, though.

 

Watchdog bricks are probably just a normal map and specularity. They don't seem tessellated/you wouldn't tessellate those, a normal map does just fine for that particular kind of bricks. It looks good though, a nice, clear normal map without lots of compression marks.

 

You can tell it's just a normal map because the detail goes away in the shadows.

Edited September 24, 2013 by brian.

[Fireprufe15]

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

See what happened was, I said that its weird some people think GTA Online is going to be an MMO when its not. Brian then wrote a mile long essay about how all games with multiplayer are mmo's.

[_Kindled_]

 

 

That could probably be the case, and yes, the texture looks ugly because they can't use tessellation to make it look better in current-gen.

I swear there was a game on this gen where they seemed to use tessellation. Anybody know the game?

 

 

Gran Turismo 6 is slated to be the first PS3 game supporting limited tessellation on vehicles. Impossible on xbox, though.

 

I see what you mean. That also has to do with the smoothness of car edges. I hate how there was a hard cut on the ridge of the vehicles.

[r34ld34l]

 

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

See what happened was, I said that its weird some people think GTA Online is going to be an MMO when its not. Brian then wrote a mile long essay about how all games with multiplayer are mmo's.

 

Indeed.

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2050956/gta_5_rockstar_on_gta_mmo_700_missions_graphical_differences.html

 

They want MMO thou.

[DymeDef]

Eh, who cares if it is MMO or not. If I'm right then great, if not, then also great.

 

No offence to anyone, I just disagree with that CoD is MMOFPS.

 

 

 

Ninja... BF3 have max. 64 players.

 

You are correct on BF3's population. I remember erading an article about 256 players and have also read aobut servers hosting 256 players.

 

either way, MMO is a blanket term. APB is hardly an MMO and no more an MMO than D2, but it is still considered in the industry as one. MMO is not how it used to be defined.

[Acek]

 

 

Just chiming in to disagree with the MMO argument. Just because there's a persistence in advancing one's character doesn't mean it's an MMO. Nor does a persistent world make for an MMO. To me MMO means there's tons of players in the world you're playing in, with a minimum of instancing. World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, those are MMOs. Games like Dungeon Fighter Online or I guess Diablo 2 where everyone meets in a town and then goes off into a closed off instance to quest or whatever, those are really just fancy lobby systems, IMO.

 

I would concede that games like MAG and Battlefield 3 where there are like 128-256 players in a game are pretty close to MMO, though. But stuff like DotA, League of Legends, or CoD being considered MMO? Nah, not in the slightest, IMO.

 

Alright, I'mma go back to lurking and waiting for this PC version to get announced. Or at least online to be enabled on consoles, haha.

 

times are changing.. theres more multiplayer modes and games now, so the definition is like brian said....even cod s really like an mmo.. in cod 2 you had a match, you played it and it was done. no levelling up and unlocking stuff but now its all about the coolest unlocks and highest ranks..

 

massively multiplayer online - lots of players playing all the time, collecting stats that can be compared to many other stats and its still massive even tho there cannot be more than 60 (or whatever the number) in one match.. hell they are not even mmofps.. you can just call them mmorpg's (levelling and customizing)

 

the term MMO needs branching into subsections if you really want to put different games in different tags..

 

 

I'm not about to call any game with a leaderboard an MMO, if we're talking about 'collecting stats'. If the only qualification for being an MMO is that the game has a stat tracking system of some sort and there's lots of players playing all the time, we might as well start calling Mario an MMO. I'm sure there are a ton of people playing that all the time, and the latest games do have stat tracking, plus I'm pretty sure there are ways to play it online using certain utilities.

 

I said it once, I'll say it again. MMO on its own does not imply persistence. There are a metric sh*tton of games out right now; just because they have stat tracking and a lot of people play the game on different servers and level their characters or unlock guns doesn't make it an MMO. Borderlands 2 is not an MMO, it is an FPS RPG. I would not consider Diablo 2 or Torchlight 2 to be MMOs, I would consider them to be action RPGs with an online component. I would consider World of Warcraft or Everquest to be MMOs, because there are anywhere between 1000 to 3000 people playing on a server simultaneously, and each players actions can have an effect on any other player on that server.

 

What MMO does imply, however, is a high player count per server. GTA Online may have persistent elements and your character may remain the same across many servers, but with a max player count of 32 I would not consider it to be MMO. Up that count to 256+, then yea, I would consider it to be MMO. 128 at the very least.

 

I think some of you guys are confusing the idea of community with what MMO actually stands for, which is massively multiplayer online.

 

 

Now youre just turning my words.. i'm done with the MMO talk because spellchecking this argument is making me tired and am going to sleep.. see ya tomorrow guys.. tomorrow is a day of opportunities.. opportunities that R* can take to announce GTAVPC..

c'ya

[r34ld34l]

 

Eh, who cares if it is MMO or not. If I'm right then great, if not, then also great.

 

No offence to anyone, I just disagree with that CoD is MMOFPS.

 

 

 

Ninja... BF3 have max. 64 players.

 

You are correct on BF3's population. I remember erading an article about 256 players and have also read aobut servers hosting 256 players.

 

either way, MMO is a blanket term. APB is hardly an MMO and no more an MMO than D2, but it is still considered in the industry as one. MMO is not how it used to be defined.

 

Yeah in BF3 beta there were 256 players available, but modded/hacked of course. And laggy as sh*t. You couldn't kill anyone and server crashed a lot.

 

I agree, that MMO is kinda blanket term. Friends?

Edited September 24, 2013 by r34ld34l

[SilverRST]

 

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

See what happened was, I said that its weird some people think GTA Online is going to be an MMO when its not. Brian then wrote a mile long essay about how all games with multiplayer are mmo's.

 

Brain might have checked how many MMO games has tessellation, DX11 and mipmaps lol

Edited September 24, 2013 by SilverRST

[DymeDef]

 

 

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

See what happened was, I said that its weird some people think GTA Online is going to be an MMO when its not. Brian then wrote a mile long essay about how all games with multiplayer are mmo's.

 

Indeed.

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2050956/gta_5_rockstar_on_gta_mmo_700_missions_graphical_differences.html

 

They want MMO thou.

 

 

See how she kept referring to it as an MMO? GTA V is as much an MMO as CoD in the term of the old definition of MMO.

 

Now? Both are an MMO, the term basically needs to just be scrapped, it has nearly no meaning anymore besides for differentiating between games like SR 3 and GTA V with their multiplayer (one is co-op while the other is an actual "MMO" [Note the quotes, because I personally don't think so but it is by definition]).

 

Outside of that though, an MMO is such a broad statement, its like saying car when referring to a specific vehicle.

 

I got no problem with squashing this. But don't claim I am some nut latcher to brian lol. I agree with a lot of what he says because we happen to share the same opinions or I see the evidence he sees. But we have had posts that were not in agreement, not like all I do is go around agreeing with everything he says and disagreeing with everyone else.

Edited September 24, 2013 by DymeDef

[Fireprufe15]

 

 

 

 

 

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

See what happened was, I said that its weird some people think GTA Online is going to be an MMO when its not. Brian then wrote a mile long essay about how all games with multiplayer are mmo's.

 

Indeed.

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2050956/gta_5_rockstar_on_gta_mmo_700_missions_graphical_differences.html

 

They want MMO thou.

 

See how she kept referring to it as an MMO? GTA V is as much an MMO as CoD in the term of the old definition of MMO.

 

Now? Both are an MMO, the term basically needs to just be scrapped, it has nearly no meaning anymore besides for differentiating between games like SR 3 and GTA V with their multiplayer (one is co-op while the other is an actual "MMO" [Note the quotes, because I personally don't think so but it is by definition]).

 

Outside of that though, an MMO is such a broad statement, its like saying car when referring to a specific vehicle.

Yet they didn't. They were saying it is NOT an MMO now, but they want it to be one one day.

[DymeDef]

 

 

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

See what happened was, I said that its weird some people think GTA Online is going to be an MMO when its not. Brian then wrote a mile long essay about how all games with multiplayer are mmo's.

 

Brain might have checked how many MMO games has tessellation, DX11 and mipmaps lol

 

 

Brian already knows these things. He likely has a folder with notepads with all the text and links and screens in there already, just a copy pasta job \

 

 

 

DONE with the MMO talk.

 

Doesn't matter, we all can't agree so lets all just f*cking drop it. This has literally gotten us nowhere but at each others throats. Lets all just agree that we all have a different term for what MMO means.

Edited September 24, 2013 by DymeDef

[SilverRST]

 

 

 

Whoever started that MMO buulsh*t is a sack of sh*t.

Come one, guys. This is not some faggy CoD debate. This is about GTAV for PC.

Any other bullsh*t we should all go to the kindergarten.

See what happened was, I said that its weird some people think GTA Online is going to be an MMO when its not. Brian then wrote a mile long essay about how all games with multiplayer are mmo's.

 

Brain might have checked how many MMO games has tessellation, DX11 and mipmaps lol

 

 

Brian already knows these things. He likely has a folder with notepads with all the text and links and screens in there already, just a copy pasta job \

 

 

 

DONE with the MMO talk.

 

Doesn't matter, we all can't agree so lets all just f*cking drop it. This has literally gotten us nowhere but at each others throats. Lets all just agree that we all have a different term for what MMO means.

 

Lol, he has his own private library full of notepads which games has tessellation and DX11.

No why wonder why he always wrote dense mile long essays XD

[Fireprufe15]

Okay, I have a question. Do you need a PS3 to dump files from a game? Or could I use an ISO of the game on my computer to access the files somehow?

[Acek]

sooooo
here are some games classified as an MMO
http://worldoftanks.eu/game/
http://warthunder.com/

http://ava.aeriagames.com/

 

Some of the games i used to play or my clan supported it back when i was in..
P.S.: i love how far tables came in the past few years, they have the most important feature. Copy/Paste xD

Edit Hawken also

Edited September 24, 2013 by Acek

[RadioActiveLobster]

So I came to the thread looking for new info/hints of the upcoming PC version of the game and all I get is a bunch of idiots arguing like they are in some sort of MMO Soap Opera.

 

For f*cks sake...

[mogwaimon]

Okay, I have a question. Do you need a PS3 to dump files from a game? Or could I use an ISO of the game on my computer to access the files somehow?

 

That's sort of a risky thing to ask here, but there are other places to ask that won't get you in trouble.

 

However, were we somewhere else, I'd probably give you an answer where a PS3 would not necessarily be a prerequisite for viewing that sort of thing.

[Fireprufe15]

So I came to the thread looking for new info/hints of the upcoming PC version of the game and all I get is a bunch of idiots arguing like they are in some sort of MMO Soap Opera.

 

For f*cks sake...

The last solid info we found was the testing log xml. We had to keep ourselves busy in the mean time.

[r34ld34l]

While we are playing GTA, Russians are living it...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=86c_1380012861

[cara2100]

I want to know about GTAV PC, if managed more information

[brian.]

 

Just chiming in to disagree with the MMO argument. Just because there's a persistence in advancing one's character doesn't mean it's an MMO. Nor does a persistent world make for an MMO. To me MMO means there's tons of players in the world you're playing in, with a minimum of instancing. World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, those are MMOs. Games like Dungeon Fighter Online or I guess Diablo 2 where everyone meets in a town and then goes off into a closed off instance to quest or whatever, those are really just fancy lobby systems, IMO.

 

I would concede that games like MAG and Battlefield 3 where there are like 128-256 players in a game are pretty close to MMO, though. But stuff like DotA, League of Legends, or CoD being considered MMO? Nah, not in the slightest, IMO.

 

Alright, I'mma go back to lurking and waiting for this PC version to get announced. Or at least online to be enabled on consoles, haha.

 

times are changing.. theres more multiplayer modes and games now, so the definition is like brian said....even cod s really like an mmo.. in cod 2 you had a match, you played it and it was done. no levelling up and unlocking stuff but now its all about the coolest unlocks and highest ranks..

 

massively multiplayer online - lots of players playing all the time, collecting stats that can be compared to many other stats and its still massive even tho there cannot be more than 60 (or whatever the number) in one match.. hell they are not even mmofps.. you can just call them mmorpg's (levelling and customizing)

 

the term MMO needs branching into subsections if you really want to put different games in different tags..

 

 

Exactly. You will see them refute with "in my opinion" and "to me, it's not an mmo"

 

This is not subjective, and they can't just say "you're wrong because of my OPINION"

 

The fact is the fact: CoD was the first MMOFPS and still is one. Dota is MMO.

 

Vindictus is an MMO and you can never play with more than 4 people in the same server afaik.

 

These guys hear "MMO" and they think "100s of players same time" - that is not, and WAS NEVER a defining point of MMO.

 

Opinions, conceptions, "to me", people can say "I think MMO, and I think many players at once" - but that's what they THINK, it's what they assume. Because of most MMO's being like that, I guess. But they don't know how many MMOs are out there and how different they can be.

 

Magic Gathering type MMOs are all over the place now - 1v1 only.

 

And YES - for the dense - CoD is an MMO. More now than ever before. Ghosts will solidify it for everyone, but it has been an MMO since leaderboards were introduced.

 

It has team buffs (vests, UAV, emergency air drops)

 

It has "spells" and "mana" (pointstreaks - call a airstrike and what's different about that than lightning from the sky? Earn mana, or earn killstreaks...)

 

It has Guilds in the form of Clans.

 

Elite is its Battlenet.

 

The lobby system is the overworld - when you are matchmakking - once you enter a game, you are in a PVP match. When it's over, you're dumped back into the lobby and the results are added to the global statistics.

 

Plenty of text MMOs don't even HAVE player models, so they are not MMO anymore, even though they came before graphical MMOs?

 

People think MMO means "we're all playing together, at the exact same match", when it's simply not true. You cannot blame them and they are not stupid for it - 90% of people believe the way they do, but they will learn over time that GTA IV online is a regular online component, but Social Club Crews based games are MMO's. That includes Max Payne 3.

 

And for those who say Dota or League of Legends isn't an MMO, go back to your console - because it is. There is even a game in the genre called "MMO-Champions". By very name it is MMO, let alone definition.

 

MOBAs are a subgenre of MMO. MMORPG is a SUB GENRE of MMO. MMOFPS is a sub-genre of MMO.

 

YES, CoD was the first MMOFPS.

 

And here is proof it does not require a lot of players:

 

Destiny:

 

 

 

For instance, rather than players being able to see and interact with all other players in the game or on a particular server—as is the case in many conventional MMO games—Destiny will include on-the-fly matchmaking that will allow players to see and interact only with other players with whom they are "matched" by the game

 

The key f*cking words are "the case with many conventional" - aka, what people are used to, so they ASSUME FALSELY it is a defining part of the genre - it is not and never was.

 

CoD allows you to see only players you are matched with, in the same regard. It is an MMO. It is more MMO than any other FPS because of the CLASS SYSTEM and GLOBAL PLAYER PROGRESSION>

 

It is not enough to be cod4 and just your own player. CoD 4 on PC and console is NOT an MMO.

 

MW2 is an MMO on Console though.

 

MW2 on PC is NOT an MMO CoD, but only because it doesn't have leaderboards aka global ranking of all players in the massively multiplayer online system it uses.

 

MW2 on console IS an MMO though, and on PC, first CoD MMO was MW3, because it didn't leave out GLOBAL rankings.

 

Just trust me - I UNDERSTAND people who "expect a lot of players to call something mmo" and I know that's your "opinion", but the "fact of the genre" is that many players at once is not MMO, and if it was, well, "find game" = many players at once, then you match to a few of them for a match, then go back out to the massively multiplayer matchmaking system.

 

It's not enough to be matchmaking though - again, CoD MW2 on console is an MMO, and MW2 is almost one on PC, but it's not, because it lacks a global leaderboard, so each match is "just" a match in the PC version, because the only way you can have leaderboards is third party MW2Config leaderboards. MW3 on the other hand brought the full CoD MMO experience to PC.

 

It's not enough to be in matchmaking - GTA IV is not an MMO, but Max Payne 3 and GTA V are. They just are not large scope. The META aspects are what define an MMO game.

For all who disagree blindly, please, I implore you: Go play Torn City for 15 minutes and realize you can be completely alone outside of battles and clan wars, and it's still an MMO. Because everyone is playing on the same persistent system, between sessions, and the world goes on without you.

 

CoD Mw2 on PC is only match by match basis - it fails to meet the MMO features that the console had. When you play MW2 on PC, the only thing is your player that stays persistent. It doesn't get ranked against others, it doesn't keep track of your record - but MW2 on console does, and MW3 brought all of that to PC.

 

Now, Ghosts will introduce not just class setups, but entire SOLDIER setups. You will have up to 10 characters who are all setup differently, all have their own levels and prestige once they are maxed, they all have their own battle stats below your own overall player stats, it's all classic MMO stuff.

 

It is not something you can simply say "It's mmo features in a non-mmo game"

 

it IS something I can say "ummm, vindictus would like a word with you, it's upset you think it's not an MMO just because you subjectively think it takes a lot of players at once. It doesn't. it only takes the POTENTIAL to play a lot of players - the potential to match to any number, and not just a closed off solitary dedicated server that forgets the match as fast as it ends".

 

Again, MW1, not an MMO. MW2 (on PC) not an MMO. MW2 on console and all other cods since then? MMO.

 

And Dyme is right, and is not my clone, and doesn't agree with everything I say - but he gives the benefit of the doubt to explain and discuss it. APB is an MMO.

 

BF3 is an MMO. But not because of Player Count, it's more because of all the things it shares with CoD.

 

Anyone who thinks MMO requires a lot of players at once, simply is spoiled by that kind of mmo or just learned about the genre and learned the wrong things - again, Vindictus would like a word. Card game MMO's. Text based MMO's.

 

sh*t, even Second life would like a word. That is just a glorified 3d chat, but guess what? It's an MMO. And it's not because you can see all those avatars at once - that is just a bonus feature - it is an MMO because it has a persistent economy and marketplace that goes on with or without you, that also happens to be worth more than many countries' economies.

Edited September 24, 2013 by brian.

[_Kindled_]

Jesus, Brian. I'm surprised you could even fit that in one page.

[cara2100]

Enough MMOS, let's talk about GTAV on PC

Edited September 24, 2013 by Felipson

[Xerukal]

Enough MMOS, let's talk about GTAV on PC

Fully agreed.