redx165 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Really, people hating on the RAGE engine. Cuz III's "realistic" physics were any better. Truth be told, III had some of the most agitating and unsophisticated physics, I thought "I can't believe I paid 50 bucks for this sh*t" sometimes. The thing is that the 3D era is what made GTA while The HD era took a easy way out and got alot of sales just for it's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golf wang Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I think the real problem here is that people are blinded by nostalgia. When I played San Andreas in 2005 when I was 11, it was the coolest, most badass game around. As an 18 year old, going back and playing it again left a sour taste in my mouth, especially after being able to appreciate IV the last 4 years. There's no doubt that 11 year old me would have HATED IV, because of its mature storyline, but 18 year old me has more fun in a realistic playground than an unrealistic one. Like a fine wine, R* gets better with age. They're maturing, and so are we. Catering to the 10 year olds is the wrong direction for R*, and I'm glad they're straying off that path with titles like IV, RDR and Max Payne III. I hope V is following this trend. Wow dude, I got San Andreas when I was 12 and loved the hell out of it and I still love the hell out of it now as a 19 year old. You just got boring dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Odyssey Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I disagree with this. Rockstar want to improve by making the game feel like an actual Gangstar/Bad guy story like you see in the movies. GTA IV was a huge step from san andreas. You had the perfect graphics, the perfect physics, so what if you don't have a plane or a jetpack? (HURR DURR WAR D PLAN N JOTPECK?) And isn't the game more "GTA" enough? I mean you can get out Molotov cocktail and throw it at an innocent old lady. If they combined unrealistic stuff with the good graphics, it would just be another saints row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx165 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I disagree with this. Rockstar want to improve by making the game feel like an actual Gangstar/Bad guy story like you see in the movies. GTA IV was a huge step from san andreas. You had the perfect graphics, the perfect physics, so what if you don't have a plane or a jetpack? (HURR DURR WAR D PLAN N JOTPECK?) And isn't the game more "GTA" enough? I mean you can get out Molotov cocktail and throw it at an innocent old lady. If they combined unrealistic stuff with the good graphics, it would just be another saints row. Another Saints Row??? Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Saint Row copy Grand Theft Auto??? You do got to remember that it's a game not a movie. So you do need fun features to do in the game just to keep people playing it. Why do you think alot of people hated IV?? Cause it took out all those features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golf wang Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I disagree with this. Rockstar want to improve by making the game feel like an actual Gangstar/Bad guy story like you see in the movies. GTA IV was a huge step from san andreas. You had the perfect graphics, the perfect physics, so what if you don't have a plane or a jetpack? (HURR DURR WAR D PLAN N JOTPECK?) And isn't the game more "GTA" enough? I mean you can get out Molotov cocktail and throw it at an innocent old lady. If they combined unrealistic stuff with the good graphics, it would just be another saints row. Why must people talk down about fans of the jetpack like they're some retarded little kids playing with toys? For f*ck's sake, the jetpack is fun as f*ck, if you didn't like it you're probably a boring person, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Odyssey Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) I disagree with this. Rockstar want to improve by making the game feel like an actual Gangstar/Bad guy story like you see in the movies. GTA IV was a huge step from san andreas. You had the perfect graphics, the perfect physics, so what if you don't have a plane or a jetpack? (HURR DURR WAR D PLAN N JOTPECK?) And isn't the game more "GTA" enough? I mean you can get out Molotov cocktail and throw it at an innocent old lady. If they combined unrealistic stuff with the good graphics, it would just be another saints row. Another Saints Row??? Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Saint Row copy Grand Theft Auto??? You do got to remember that it's a game not a movie. So you do need fun features to do in the game just to keep people playing it. Why do you think alot of people hated IV?? Cause it took out all those features. I didnt say they copied saints row. I said if they combine good graphic and unrealistic things together it will be too much like saints row. I disagree with this. Rockstar want to improve by making the game feel like an actual Gangstar/Bad guy story like you see in the movies. GTA IV was a huge step from san andreas. You had the perfect graphics, the perfect physics, so what if you don't have a plane or a jetpack? (HURR DURR WAR D PLAN N JOTPECK?) And isn't the game more "GTA" enough? I mean you can get out Molotov cocktail and throw it at an innocent old lady. If they combined unrealistic stuff with the good graphics, it would just be another saints row. Why must people talk down about fans of the jetpack like they're some retarded little kids playing with toys? For f*ck's sake, the jetpack is fun as f*ck, if you didn't like it you're probably a boring person, get over it. I liked the jetpack. It was just a bit overrated. And little kiddys thought gta iv was sh*t just for the sole reason that it didnt have a jetpack, which was annoying Edited October 9, 2012 by thegtaman531 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Justice Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 "GTAish," as an invented term, is all about perception. It is different for everyone. Just because Rockstar have moved the series away from what you may like, does not mean the movement was any less justified. Personally, the appeal in GTA has always been about exploring open-worlds and being able to do things people can't do in modern society. It's a playground. This does not mean the playground has to be filled with ridiculous shenanigans and other such things. In this sense, IV and V fit my perception of GTA perfectly. Do you see what I mean? If anything, I would argue that the least "GTAish" game in the series is San Andreas as it is the most unlike like the others. It had the most outlandish story and features, it was all over the place as if it was confused and in many instances it didn't know what it was or what it wanted to be. GTA III, Vice City and IV are all very focused narratives and are clearly all members of the same series. IV would feel like a very natural progression from Vice City if you had never played San Andreas -- it was after San Andreas added features like customization, dildos and jet packs (one big "uh" for me, btw) that people got the idea that GTA was supposed to be over-the-top and ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShogunOfHarlem Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Not really. They did take out a few things that I did like from the previous games. However they did remove a lot of what I didn't like. It looks like with TBOGT and V they are bring what I do like back so no worries with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtafanny Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 what exactly is GTA'ish? If its anything like Saintsrow, count me out. R* invented the series. They decide whatever direction GTA is going to take. Nothing ever stays the same forever. If you want the old style, you can always go back and play the III era games. I am excited about where R* can take this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacketOverload_x64bit Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 re: OP If you think putting a glock to a small-time hustler's forhead and watching the blood spurt all over you because he banged your cousin's f*ck buddy and you feel you're being disloyal by not doing something about it [within the first hour of gameplay] and then dumping his heavy ass over into the polluted ocean side next to a derralict dock being "soft" or "less GTA'ish" then you better go masterbate to donkey porn while hanging yourself. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racecarlock Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I wouldn't go back on environment detail and physics, frankly those were the best part of GTA IV, especially in BOGT with the APC. However, planes are back and I'm happy. Dirt bikes are back, supercars are now in, there are many new activities and areas, and they kept in the detail and graphics from IV and improved both. V looks fantastic. As for saints row, well I loved 2 because it also had a lot of environmental detail like different pedestrians for different areas like cheerleaders and frat boys at the university and trailer park people at the trailer park and people in the park doing yoga and live blogging. Saints Row The Third ditched all of that. That's why I want V to still have wacky fun stuff like chainsaws and flamethrowers. Because, while still fun, the third removed a lot activities I enjoyed like the demolition derby and zombie uprising and it took out the taxi feature, meaning I can't warp anymore. That's why I want V to keep all the detail and physics of the environment, but also add back in planes and fun weapons which it appears to have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipsta Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Possibly, I admit Rockstar's games are not like they used to be (Not better or worse, simply different) Maybe they're just maturing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacketOverload_x64bit Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Maybe they're just maturing? They're simply making full use of their experience in the engine they built and the new possibilities with graphics hardware currently available. Less focus on story line? If GTA looked like Vice City or San Andreas I wouldn't buy it, no matter how good the gameplay is. Because, I can't stare at triangles anymore and pretend it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubA_iLL_BrothA Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Most fans would take San Andreas over IV anyday. That's why the hype for GTA V is so big, since it's set in Los Santos in San andreas, Fans expect the old redicilous GTAs of the past.Don't get me wrong, those games were great, but GTA IV knocked them all out of the park with a real life atmosphere and story over heaps of content and flashy missions. Single Player Mode is just plain dead. You have to mod the game to make it fun now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) "GTAness" or whatever you like to call it is as subjective as taste in music. The series continues to grow and evolve and still retains the intent of the orginal GTA. In the 14 years or so being a GTA fan while things come and go the GTA fire still burns bright. Just everything else changes around it. Edited October 9, 2012 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronimpact Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I consider TBOGT and TLAD to be part of GTA IV and both DLCs had good weapons. Some gamers would rather hold onto the past than embrace the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Frenzy! Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The only thing is good in GTA IV are physics and graphics, it has such a bad storyline. I agree, San Andreas and Vice City had a great storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Frenzy! Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 "GTAness" or whatever you like to call it is as subjective as taste in music. The series continues to grow and evolve and still retains the intent of the orginal GTA. In the 14 years or so being a GTA fan while things come and go the GTA fire still burns bright. Just everything else changes around it. Yes, that is true, the only thing that doesn´t change is the name Grand Theft Auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacketOverload_x64bit Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The only thing is good in GTA IV are physics and graphics, it has such a bad storyline. I agree, San Andreas and Vice City had a great storyline. Not to be argumentative but if it's ok to bash it, then it should be ok to say good things. I found the storyline completely believable, interesting and tied in with the graphics and music, totally immersive. Didn't like the random "friends" side of the story because it was totally unbelievable, but everything else I thought was amazingly detailed and intricate in the plot and execution of the storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gran Feft Orto Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Ballad of Gay Tony brought back that crazy old school GTA feeling, without compromising on story. TLOD was a bit dull and as far away from ps2 gen GTA as the series has ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) III era didn't set out to be cartoonish or childish and I think people are over-exaggerating that. III era games tried to look as realistic as they could whilst retaining a huge map and lots of content. The graphics have dated in IV and San Andreas and if you play San Andreas the graphics look totally Rockstar and look totally pre-IV. The graphics were going to go IV regardless. Rockstar weren't going "let's make a realistic game and make the graphics less cartoony" they said "how can we improve the graphics" and they did. IVs graphics are now like what San Andreas' were at the time for me. A little outdated but what they are aiming for was nice and realistic. There's seriousness in San Andreas but there's just more comic relief. People on here seem to have a obscure vision of San Andreas. Maybe Some of you were kids when playing SA, so you played it like kids and had your CJ all gay and muscley and clown like and you made it childish for yourselves but I didn't. I was an adult when SA came out. I knew a lot of the music on the radio before I played it. I could see the genius of having such a soundtrack even geographically in the game. I'm replaying it again and it's still so much fun. To answer the question. Yes, somewhat. GTA was like this little rebel game that pushed boundaries of what was acceptable in gaming. Rockstar seemed to have lost their ballsy attitude and put the focus on other areas. Edited October 9, 2012 by ThePinkFloydSound ＲＵＢＢΣＲ░Ｊ♢ＨＮＮＹ （スオッ） Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansgas1000 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks for all your replies on my topic guys I have read them and have seen many valid points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipsta Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Maybe they're just maturing? They're simply making full use of their experience in the engine they built and the new possibilities with graphics hardware currently available. Less focus on story line? If GTA looked like Vice City or San Andreas I wouldn't buy it, no matter how good the gameplay is. Because, I can't stare at triangles anymore and pretend it's real. I agree, it seems with every next GTA, it's getting closer to they're vision. So the games are evolving themselves in every aspect, also as you said technology is allowing this to happen. In my eyes, last gen Rockstar played it quite risky, daring to deal with adult themes in a video game (Gta3) and now I see them as wildly ambitious while they're games scream quality and excellence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_roy1985 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I would say they are maturing and realizing their vision. If anything, GTA is more GTA then ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebig Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 You can only say if GTA V is a little less 'GTAish' if you've played it. You can't make an opinion looking at the screens. R* has said that they wanted to show as little of the game as possible, to suprise us. So it is normal that they show screens where there isn't much going on. For me, GTA V has to be a good game. It can be better than other GTA's, even though it doesn't follow the old style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatstupidbug Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 III era didn't set out to be cartoonish or childish * fart in elevator * cannibalism * alien slime * making porn (with a huge "boobs" spotlight) * dildos * sadomasochism and sado suits * meta- references (true grime, Tanner, "refraction") * huge "cartoonish" movie-like missions * stunt drive * ability to dress like an idiot (try to play GTA SA like a fat clown with underwear, or LCS as a bird, it's a totally different game) * blowing up HALF of an ISLAND!!! * 007-like missions (both in SA and even TBOGT) ... maybe the III-era wasn't ONLY childish and cartoonish, but it was a great part of the game, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I was a llittle sad when I saw the direction that GTA IV had gone in but it was a necessary direction. And the game definitely was missing stuff but I'm glad that they admitted that it was due to technical problems and I hope that a lot of stuff is going to be put back. imo The Housers have realised that there are a lot of children playing this game and I don't think it's ever going to head back totally to the overwhelming victory of San Andreas. You are playing the game as a criminal and that lifestyle is dangerous and sooner or later you will experience great loss. Play it your way. What's GTAish or the GTAness of the game has always been the ability to turn a microscope on our values as a society and basically expose the hypocrisy of those values. It's great that GTA is improving its graphics but I never really cared about that. I'm sorry but as a ten year old playing this game (why?) you are not going to fully appreciate all the game has to offer because in terms of your life experience and cognitive development a lot of the commentary is going to just fly over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 No, i don't think so to be honest. Sure GTA IV went in a different direction, but i loved it, it still felt like GTA imo, be glad they aren't ruining the series by completely changing it like other sh*tty devs did to thier biggest franchises. *cough* Resident Evil *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phem Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Hi Guys do you think GTA is becoming a little less 'GTAish' I mean Older GTA's like Vice City and San Andreas and III had more wepaons felt more kinda violend but since GTA IV rockstar are focusing more about the 'setting' and the grahpics. By looking at the new GTA V screenshots it dosent really seem GTA'ish like theres a guy Parachuting and farming etc... What do you guys think about this matter? Post all ya' sh*t below GTA IV was made the way it is, because of time concerns for take 2, They have had such a long time to work on V I am sure they have done a very good job this time, because 50% of there development time was not taken up by programming a whole new gaming engine, on a totally new console. Maybe if you put the joint down and did a little research into how much work goes into just making a game engine you wont post such stupid tripe. As for the guns, They work just fine, its the death animations that make it seem more violent, IMO you should play max payne 3 I found it to be very good and I am assuming that GTA V animation style will be along the line of MP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game2048 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes, it called maturity. GTA IV was more "adult", more realistic and that's a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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