Rockstar's previous marketing campaigns

[Ash_735]

I'd also like to point out that RDR was shown in 2005 as "Untitled Wild West Project" by Rockstar Games, it was a very early build of the game which shown off Aramdillo, so techincally, that's the first reveal of RDR we have.

 

Max Payne 3 was also announced in 2009, and had a small campaign for around a month or so before going quiet and starting up again in 2011.

 

L.A.Noire, as you said, was revealed in 2006, then went quiet until 2010.

 

That's Rockstars THREE previous games which were all announced and revealed YEARS before they actually came out, hell, we're still missing aGENT which was revealed in 2007, so really, in terms of waiting in timeline, GTA fans have waited the LEAST yet complain the MOST.

[Patrizio]

I'd also like to point out that RDR was shown in 2005 as "Untitled Wild West Project" by Rockstar Games, it was a very early build of the game which shown off Aramdillo, so techincally, that's the first reveal of RDR we have.

 

Max Payne 3 was also announced in 2009, and had a small campaign for around a month or so before going quiet and starting up again in 2011.

 

L.A.Noire, as you said, was revealed in 2006, then went quiet until 2010.

 

That's Rockstars THREE previous games which were all announced and revealed YEARS before they actually came out, hell, we're still missing aGENT which was revealed in 2007, so really, in terms of waiting in timeline, GTA fans have waited the LEAST yet complain the MOST.

Oh God - lets hope GTA V doesn't follow this pattern! (I don't think it will mind).

[RandomNoun]

GTA is the company's flagship though; an 'all hands on deck' sort of affair, unlike those others.

[Dick Justice]

I'd also like to point out that RDR was shown in 2005 as "Untitled Wild West Project" by Rockstar Games, it was a very early build of the game which shown off Aramdillo, so techincally, that's the first reveal of RDR we have.

 

Max Payne 3 was also announced in 2009, and had a small campaign for around a month or so before going quiet and starting up again in 2011.

 

L.A.Noire, as you said, was revealed in 2006, then went quiet until 2010.

 

That's Rockstars THREE previous games which were all announced and revealed YEARS before they actually came out, hell, we're still missing aGENT which was revealed in 2007, so really, in terms of waiting in timeline, GTA fans have waited the LEAST yet complain the MOST.

That's precisely the reason I didn't include any of those games' announcement dates in this thread. I didn't want people to freak out too much. I'm glad you brought it up though Ash, seeing as one of the points of this thread is to show that an announcement date is not always the start of a games' marketing campaign. It's one of those things where Rockstar could have announced this game back in late 2009 if they really wanted to. It's always nice to think of worse possibilities and realise how good you actually have it.

[RandomNoun]

They've been working on this game since finishing IV--before even EFLC.

[MosquitoSmasher]

I'd also like to point out that RDR was shown in 2005 as "Untitled Wild West Project" by Rockstar Games, it was a very early build of the game which shown off Aramdillo, so techincally, that's the first reveal of RDR we have.

 

Max Payne 3 was also announced in 2009, and had a small campaign for around a month or so before going quiet and starting up again in 2011.

 

L.A.Noire, as you said, was revealed in 2006, then went quiet until 2010.

 

That's Rockstars THREE previous games which were all announced and revealed YEARS before they actually came out, hell, we're still missing aGENT which was revealed in 2007, so really, in terms of waiting in timeline, GTA fans have waited the LEAST yet complain the MOST.

It's probably because the wait for a new GTA games has been quite long now, and on the previous consoles we had alot more GTA installments. Plus after the debut trailer last year, people rightfully so expected alot more details on it, and that never really happened, except for the 12 screenshots. A new GTA gets people crazy hyped and waiting seems alot longer for games that don't carry the GTA name. I hope this month will prove to be interesting for the people waiting for GTA V.

[CodeFail]

Okay, so marketing for V will start in a few months, and a year after that, then we get a release.

 

 

 

ffs

[JeteaFive]

It just seems impossible that GTA V get the same problem that L.A Noire, Max Payne 3 or RDR. Because the numbers of Take Two (for once, we have one thing official...) indicates that GTA V can't be out after 31 March.

Marketing will really start on November like you said, seems logical.

[Ash_735]

It just seems impossible that GTA V get the same problem that L.A Noire, Max Payne 3 or RDR. Because the numbers of Take Two (for once, we have one thing official...) indicates that GTA V can't be out after 31 March.

Marketing will really start on November like you said, seems logical.

But don't forget, Take-Two also have 2k games, and in the same time span we have BioShock Infinite out which looks like it's going to be huge, we'vejust had Borderlands 2 out which has done way better than expected, etc, in all honesty, they could just about hit that target WITHOUT GTA and this financial year Rockstar could look like the low performers out of the group.

[Andreas]

 

I'd also like to point out that RDR was shown in 2005 as "Untitled Wild West Project" by Rockstar Games, it was a very early build of the game which shown off Aramdillo, so techincally, that's the first reveal of RDR we have.

 

Max Payne 3 was also announced in 2009, and had a small campaign for around a month or so before going quiet and starting up again in 2011.

 

L.A.Noire, as you said, was revealed in 2006, then went quiet until 2010.

That's actually right but Red Dead Revolver 2, codename "The Old West Project", was shown short after Red Dead Revolver was released and before the Playstation 3 was on the market. You can't consider this as a "Rockstar usual" trailer. The game itself was announced on February 3rd 2009 as Red Dead Redemption and the first real trailer was released on May 6th 2009 and it also was named "Debut Trailer". The L.A. Noire teaser in 2006 wasn't actual ingame-footage. Exactly as the RDR teaser, the L.A. Noire teaser was shown before the Playstation was even on the market. The game was mainly developed by Team Bondi. Rockstar helped in the last three years of the development so the OP can't add the timelines of it because it wasn't a Rockstar-only game. Max Payne 3 was announced in March 2009 but delayed by months and then delayed by years due the internal mismanagment. In September 2011 was the first time after the long delays when Rockstar announced the game (again).

[Cyfa]

@Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian I just wanted to thank you for changing the color of text you post in, much easier on the eyes. Also your signature is beautiful.

 

Back OT, the only thing we can't really know for sure is if marketing really will start in November or any time this year. It's safe to say that it will but back when Trailer 1 released we all thought it was safe to say that we were going to get more info by the next month. Rockstar gives us news whenever we least expect it.

[I Luke]

@Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian I just wanted to thank you for changing the color of text you post in, much easier on the eyes. Also your signature is beautiful.

 

Back OT, the only thing we can't really know for sure is if marketing really will start in November or any time this year. It's safe to say that it will but back when Trailer 1 released we all thought it was safe to say that we were going to get more info by the next month. Rockstar gives us news whenever we least expect it.

When they get their fingers out of their asses and they no longer wish to horde the information for us to literally cry for it, that's when it will come and i'll be ready.

[Spider-Vice]

Really good insight and I agree with that hypothetical situation. It's been similar with almost all Rockstar games, hell, GTA IV was announced at E3 2006 and it only got a trailer in March 2007, I wonder if there was whining too... Maybe there wasn't because Rockstar didn't have a newswire to say "a few weeks or so". Now there is and everyone seems to explode.

[Andreas]

 

@Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian I just wanted to thank you for changing the color of text you post in, much easier on the eyes. Also your signature is beautiful.

Yeah, I too thought that it's better if I use a font-color that is readable without any problems. I was bored yesterday so I decided to make a new beautiful signature.

[Magic_Al]

What about past GTAs, though? Although, I guess it wouldn't matter since the marketing team for the latest games is who will be doing the marketing for V. I guess it's just the high anticipation for this game that makes it seem like they're doing things so drastically different this time around.

The only past GTA you could compare it to is IV. In the years 2001 through 2004, Rockstar North (also known as DMA) released GTA III, Vice City, Manhunt and San Andreas. Obviously, having that quick of a turnaround between games leaves less time for marketing. This isn't the case these days as development time is now much longer. In that sense, it's hard to compare V to any GTA other than IV, which I chose not to do simply because the Newswire wasn't around during that campaign.

 

For you:

 

Grand Theft Auto IV

 

Announced: May 2006

Marketing began: March 2007

Release Date: April 2008 (intended release was October 2007).

 

Going off the intended release date, you can actually see how similar this campaign was to V's. The only big difference between V and IV at this point is that V came with an announcement trailer and IV didn't. People have been quick to say V's marketing has been unfamiliar water for Rockstar, but it's actually very similar to how they've worked most of their recent games.

 

 

@ OP - would it not make sense to predict GTA for May 2013?

 

Oh, most definitely. The dates I put down were hypothetical only and weren't necessarily predictions. That said, the only one of the three games that was always set to release in May was L.A. Noire, so it's possible for GTA V to release earlier. Given all the trade talk about March, as well as the recent Tesco leaks, I figured I may as well make my "hypothetical" date be in March. May is just as likely in my opinion. In either case, we won't know until we know. I really don't want to turn this into a release date debate.

GTA IV is not a good thing to compare to. Everything about the announcement was shaped by one-time circumstances. There was a $50 million contract with Microsoft that allowed Microsoft, not Rockstar, to announce GTA IV and exclusive episodic content for the Xbox 360 at E3 2006. The timing was critical to Microsoft because the Xbox 360 was on the market and the Playstation 3 was still vaporware at that point. Microsoft was brazenly attempting to switch the loyalty of the GTA fanbase from the PS2 to the Xbox 360 instead of waiting for the PS3, or at least remove GTA as a reason to get a PS3. GTA IV would not have been announced at that time if not for this obligation. The pressure from Microsoft is probably also the reason that an exact release date was given with the announcement, even though it was over a year in the future and proved impossible to meet. Rockstar has never announced an exact release date so far in advance ever since.

[MosquitoSmasher]

You'd almost think something has gone horribly wrong during development and that we could be receiving real bad news October 30th. On the other hand....how incredibly much different is V gonna be from IV? In terms of general gameplay i bet it will be very alike, just with the much improved physics, gun combat and so on, from other releases like RDR and MP3. The one big difference of course is no doubt gonna be the world-size, it's probably gonna be THAT much bigger than GTA IV. But hey simple...just multiple discs for 360 and one Blu Ray for PS3. So the whole 'something has gone wrong' thing that some people, including me, has been bringing up a bit..is probably not a real thing.

[nixion]

Really good insight and I agree with that hypothetical situation. It's been similar with almost all Rockstar games, hell, GTA IV was announced at E3 2006 and it only got a trailer in March 2007, I wonder if there was whining too... Maybe there wasn't because Rockstar didn't have a newswire to say "a few weeks or so". Now there is and everyone seems to explode.

There wasn't much whining at all because we took that announcement for what it was. It was announced specifically at Microsofts panel because they wanted to push both facts of this game being released day one on their console and that they already had exclusive content coming their way. it was for microsoft to sell their consoles more then anything else and im sure with the money microsoft put their way for those DLC rockstar didn't mind having them announce it that early. and when they actually kicked off their marketing we only waited a full month to countdown for a trailer and everything kicked off afterwards. If you look at V it goes: its announcement, week countdown, trailer and a year of only 12 screensshots released. Gta V's marketing began with the trailer and its been very, very slow since then for whatever reasons and i too hate whining, but people do have a reason to be upset by this.

[JeteaFive]

No i think will not be a minor update, but a really huge update, a bold new direction, that say all.

They will be about ~100 new things.

[73duster]

The dates used to determine "marketing campaign" are highly debatable. When does a marketing campaign begin? For some of the games, some people seem to determine that the SECOND trailer is the official start of marketing. WHAT? How does THAT make sense? What was the purpose of the FIRST trailer?

Also, what's the point of officially ANNOUNCING a game is in development? Isn't THAT a form of marketing? I don't know where some people get their "facts", but in MY opinion, Rockstar has a ridiculous habit of announcing games in their infancy of development. It's like announcing that you are going to have a baby BEFORE the actual act of concepcion. This has always been my biggest gripe with the way Rockstar does things. Too much can happen during the YEARS that these projects take to complete, and they seem to never worry about painting themselves into a corner in a business where delays are commonplace.

For me, marketing started a YEAR ago, when Rockstar announced that GTAV WAS indeed in development. In the year since the announcement, we have ONE trailer and several screenshots. I don't believe that THIS is exactly the way Rockstar envisioned things would be a year later. Delays don't bother me because Rockstar has ALWAYS given us high quality games in the end, but delays are made worse because we have been waiting for a YEAR, to know what's happening with the game. Screenshots don't tell us WHEN to expect the game, and NOT knowing that, is what MOST fans really care about.

[Rucke]

 

A lot of you owe it to yourselves to read this. I will report anyone that posts "tl;dr" or something similar, it's not even a long read. I posted something similar about 100 pages back in the "a few weeks or so..." thread. That thread is so full and moving so quickly that I'm positive that my thoughts didn't reach a lot of you.

 

Using the tags feature on the Newswire, you can see the exact date of when the marketing campaigns for Red Dead Redemption, L.A. Noire and Max Payne 3 begin. By looking at how Rockstar marketed these games, it gives us an insight as to how Rockstar are marketing GTA V. The reason why I bring this up is simple; it's exactly the same. Each time, the marketing campaign has kicked off with a trailer (which is either the first or second trailer released for that game). Take a look:

 

Red Dead Redemption

 

Marketing began: December 1st, 2009.

Release Date: May 18th, 2010. (Originally intended for release in April)

 

Newswire: Red Dead Redemption Official Trailer: "My Name is John Marston"

 

The game had already had a first trailer that was released in early May, 2009. Between that date and the start of the marketing campaign (the second trailer), a couple of screenshots had trickled out over the months but not a lot. It sounds an awfully lot like another game we're all following. My point is, this game, jam packed with as many features as Rockstar have ever put into a non-GTA game, didn't have a long-drawn out marketing campaign; if the game had not been delayed from April to May, it would have had a marketing campaign of only 5 months.

 

L.A. Noire

 

Marketing began: November 12th, 2010.

Release Date: May 17th, 2011.

 

Newswire: Watch the First L.A. Noire Trailer

 

L.A. Noire is an interesting one because it was announced way back in 2006 and then went through development hell. It received a longer campaign than Red Dead Redemption simply because it needed it. It was a new IP and a pretty inventive idea for a video game. Rockstar wanted to talk about the new MotionScan tech as much as they possibly could. Simply put, it required a lot more advertising than a game like Red Dead and Grand Theft Auto. Still, it's marketing started in November for a May release. This seems pretty on track with what Rockstar are doing with V.

 

and finally, everyone's favourite...

 

Max Payne 3

 

Marketing began: September 14th, 2011.

Release Date: May 15th, 2012. (Originally intended for release in March)

 

Watch the First Trailer for Max Payne 3

 

While September is an earlier start than the other two, it's not too early for a game that was originally intended to release in March for a series that hasn't had a title since 2004. As you can see, it's pretty apparent that Rockstar like to start marketing in the Fall for games releasing in the Spring.

 

Grand Theft Auto IV

 

Announced: May 2006

Marketing began: March 2007

Release Date: April 2008 (intended release was October 2007).

 

Going off the intended release date, you can actually see how similar this campaign was to V's. The only big difference between V and IV at this point is that V came with an announcement trailer and IV didn't. People have been quick to say V's marketing has been unfamiliar water for Rockstar, but it's actually very similar to how they've worked most of their recent games.

 

Grand Theft Auto V (Hypothetical)

 

Marketing began: November 1st, 2012.

Release Date: March 26th, 2013.

 

Is this doable? Yes. Is it likely? Well, that's harder to say. My point is, Rockstar could easily have a short 4-5 month marketing plan for GTA V, knowing that all they need to do is push it a little and it will sell like hotcakes. I'd say that GTA V's marketing thus far has been almost identical to Red Dead Redemptions. If you disagree, see for yourself at 'Newsire RDR tag' and you can see how news slowly started trickling in until the campaign started with that trailer.

 

People need to chill out. In the words of the great Tommy Vercetti: "Shut up, sit down, relax."

 

Edit: To include GTA IV, which I originally posted on Page 2.

THANK YOU! This is the theory I have been trying to prove over and over ever since RDR was released. Finally someone else who got it!

 

R* focus on ONE product at the time.

[Magic_Al]

 

The dates used to determine "marketing campaign" are highly debatable. When does a marketing campaign begin? For some of the games, some people seem to determine that the SECOND trailer is the official start of marketing. WHAT? How does THAT make sense? What was the purpose of the FIRST trailer?

Also, what's the point of officially ANNOUNCING a game is in development? Isn't THAT a form of marketing? I don't know where some people get their "facts", but in MY opinion, Rockstar has a ridiculous habit of announcing games in their infancy of development. It's like announcing that you are going to have a baby BEFORE the actual act of concepcion. This has always been my biggest gripe with the way Rockstar does things. Too much can happen during the YEARS that these projects take to complete, and they seem to never worry about painting themselves into a corner in a business where delays are commonplace.

For me, marketing started a YEAR ago, when Rockstar announced that GTAV WAS indeed in development. In the year since the announcement, we have ONE trailer and several screenshots. I don't believe that THIS is exactly the way Rockstar envisioned things would be a year later. Delays don't bother me because Rockstar has ALWAYS given us high quality games in the end, but delays are made worse because we have been waiting for a YEAR, to know what's happening with the game. Screenshots don't tell us WHEN to expect the game, and NOT knowing that, is what MOST fans really care about.

When I think of a "campaign" I mean marketing is ongoing without long periods of dormancy. For example: Red Dead Redemption had an announcement and screenshots in early 2009, and a teaser trailer a couple months later, then nothing more was released till near the end of the year. When RDR's second trailer was released, it was the beginning of continuous promotion, with new content almost every week and almost every day as the release date approaches.

 

There are deviations from this. For example, L.A. Noire's second trailer is titled "First Trailer" because the teaser trailer from 2006 is so old it's inaccurate and irrelevant. Max Payne 3 never had a proper teaser trailer because the game had been teased in magazine articles and screenshots for years and so its first trailer was a full trailer that revealed plot points and not just setting and tone like a teaser does.

 

Signs that the full marketing campaign are underway include the existence of the game's artwork as the wallpaper of Rockstar's site, and the launch of a full official website for the game, not a teaser site like we have now for GTA V but in the form that will exist beyond the release of the game.

 

 

R* focus on ONE product at the time.

They don't WANT to do this, they've just shown themselves incapable of managing otherwise. 2008 saw Bully: Scholarship Edition, Midnight Club Los Angeles, and GTA IV. In 2009 the intent was to release the GTA episodes, GTA CW, RDR, and Max Payne 3 all that year and L.A. Noire and Agent in 2010. Of course at one time NASA promised that the space shuttle would fly 50 times a year too, which proved absurd.

 

Currently GTA V and Agent are the only announced future titles and those are both from Rockstar North, so we assume other studios are planning other things but Rockstar has learned not to announce too early.

Edited October 7, 2012 by Magic_Al

[73duster]

The dates used to determine "marketing campaign" are highly debatable. When does a marketing campaign begin? For some of the games, some people seem to determine that the SECOND trailer is the official start of marketing. WHAT? How does THAT make sense? What was the purpose of the FIRST trailer?

Also, what's the point of officially ANNOUNCING a game is in development? Isn't THAT a form of marketing? I don't know where some people get their "facts", but in MY opinion, Rockstar has a ridiculous habit of announcing games in their infancy of development. It's like announcing that you are going to have a baby BEFORE the actual act of concepcion. This has always been my biggest gripe with the way Rockstar does things. Too much can happen during the YEARS that these projects take to complete, and they seem to never worry about painting themselves into a corner in a business where delays are commonplace.

For me, marketing started a YEAR ago, when Rockstar announced that GTAV WAS indeed in development. In the year since the announcement, we have ONE trailer and several screenshots. I don't believe that THIS is exactly the way Rockstar envisioned things would be a year later. Delays don't bother me because Rockstar has ALWAYS given us high quality games in the end, but delays are made worse because we have been waiting for a YEAR, to know what's happening with the game. Screenshots don't tell us WHEN to expect the game, and NOT knowing that, is what MOST fans really care about.

When I think of a "campaign" I mean marketing is ongoing without long periods of dormancy. For example: Red Dead Redemption had an announcement and screenshots in early 2009, and a teaser trailer a couple months later, then nothing more was released till near the end of the year. When RDR's second trailer was released, it was the beginning of continuous promotion, with new content almost every week and almost every day as the release date approaches.

 

There are deviations from this. For example, L.A. Noire's second trailer is titled "First Trailer" because the teaser trailer from 2006 is so old it's inaccurate and irrelevant. Max Payne 3 never had a proper teaser trailer because the game had been teased in magazine articles and screenshots for years and so its first trailer was a full trailer that revealed plot points and not just setting and tone like a teaser does.

 

Signs that the full marketing campaign are underway include the existence of the game's artwork as the wallpaper of Rockstar's site, and the launch of a full official website for the game, not a teaser site like we have now for GTA V but in the form that will exist beyond the release of the game.

I understand what you are saying, but i don't think it's logical. Rockstar's history of releasing information is extremely sketchy at best. I believe that they have actually HURT sales, rather than help them. Max Payne 3, and L.A. Noire SHOULD have done FAR better in sales. They are GREAT games that were met with high praise from critics EVERYWHERE, yet the sales were well below expectations.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is directly connected to the lengthy and confusing marketing employed by Rockstar. I think that had Rockstar waited until about 6 to 9 months prior to release, the marketing would have been fresh and exciting. This is why i DON'T agree about when marketing ACTUALLY started. The original announcements for these games were met with a very strong buzz from the public. As YEARS passed, people were left in limbo, wondering what the hell is going on, or whether or not the projects were actually CANCELLED.

When YOU claim that marketing really began, many people had moved on and stopped caring, REGARDLESS of the onslaught of marketing. GTA may be one of the only titles who could survive this ridiculous strategy, but that doesn't mean it works.

[MosquitoSmasher]

Any other title and it probably would fail hard indeed. But we don't know yet what kind of marketing campaign they will do. It's easy to believe that it won't be as extensive as previous games, but i just don't see it happening personally. I really understand that they are hard at work on GTA V, a huge huge game, as they said their most ambitious game, and boy am i glad that their most ambitious game turns out to be a GTA game, but this Max Payne 3 sh*t is ridiculous. I love the game, i find it awesome and i'll never diss it, but the amount of post-release marketing it's getting is ridiculous and now this delay of simple-ass DLC packs is just.....sigh.

[CoolGuyMcFly]

Marketing began: November 1st, 2012.

Release Date: March 26th, 2013.

 

I agree with everything you have to say, but since the new DLC was postponed for Max Payne 3 I think that Gta new marketing campaign will get pushed back as well.

 

[Loves GTA]

I've been saying this for months: They'll make GTA V their main focus when all Max Payne 3 DLC is out of the way. Don't expect anything substantial until then.

 

3 more packs to go, by the way.

 

The only reason we're all either not playing this game right now, or very, very close to playing it, is because of unreleased Max Payne 3 DLC for its desolate online community. Sad, but true.

[MosquitoSmasher]

And still i can't say i 100% believe that. There aren't even that many people playing it, and Rockstar is taking all this time, all this hassle, for just that small group of people playing online? Instead of finishing and bringing out a behemoth called GTA V that will make them.....insane amounts of gold?

[Loves GTA]

 

And still i can't say i 100% believe that. There aren't even that many people playing it, and Rockstar is taking all this time, all this hassle, for just that small group of people playing online? Instead of finishing and bringing out a behemoth called GTA V that will make them.....insane amounts of gold?

Blame crew's carrying over to GTA V and the season pass for the multiplayer.

 

R* is going to finish up their support for the game no matter what, and even GTA V won't change that. Because they have a season pass they must honor. They've already consolidated the remaining content into fewer, but larger packs, arguably to 'speed things along' so they can move on to GTA V more quickly.

 

They know Max Payne 3 is dead, but they can't just drop it and move on.

[MosquitoSmasher]

And still i can't say i 100% believe that. There aren't even that many people playing it, and Rockstar is taking all this time, all this hassle, for just that small group of people playing online? Instead of finishing and bringing out a behemoth called GTA V that will make them.....insane amounts of gold?

Blame crew's carrying over to GTA V and the season pass for the multiplayer.

 

R* is going to finish up their support for the game no matter what, and even GTA V won't change that. Because they have a season pass they must honor. They've already consolidated the remaining content into fewer, but larger packs, arguably to 'speed things along' so they can move on to GTA V more quickly.

 

They know Max Payne 3 is dead, but they can't just drop it and move on.

And here i was always actually believing the team that worked on Max was an entirely different team than GTA V's . I can understand that they can't just drop it, i would understand it even more if it was some incredibly complex DLC...but these are just a bunch of guns and maps from the singeplayer mode, but now available for multiplayer. Why does that have to take so long? A developer that creates masterpieces like GTA and RDR....and they can't handle a bit of DLC? Man....is this sh*t weird!!!!!

[Dick Justice]

I just want to let me opinion heard that I feel in no way has Max Payne's DLC affected the development of GTA V in any way. They're being made by separate teams, for one. If you someone was to raise that argument that Max Payne 3 has affected GTA V's marketing, well, read the OP better. You can see that I don't think this is the case.

 

 

The only reason we're all either not playing this game right now, or very, very close to playing it, is because of unreleased Max Payne 3 DLC for its desolate online community. Sad, but true.

This is one of the most ridiculous opinions I have ever heard. If GTA V was that close behind Max Payne 3 in the development spectrum, they would have started advertising it less than 2 months after Max Payne 3's release and then released it in October. The only reason why GTA V's campaign is yet to start is because it is still ~6 months away.