GrandMaster Smith Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Something that has pestered me with IV and RDR was the lack of skill involved with online matches. I pray R* finally changes this up so the default is free aim then they can have a rookie 'casual' section that uses auto-target. I think it's a waste having a casual room, another auto aim room and then a hardcore room. I feel the online was very messy which led to it being hard to find games at times. I can almost never play any hardcore matches for the simple reason there's noone in them let alone ever played a veteran match. I know R* tries to make their game accessible to the many consumers, but don't cut it back so it takes out the need of skill to play.. Dead eye was a bust and with auto aim you can make kills across the map without even seeing them. The suspense and intensity of hardcore aiming sets the game excitement so much higher. When you come face to face with an enemy it's no longer a battle of 'who can roll and hit left trigger- right trigger the fastest' but actually requires skill of aiming to take your enemy out before they take out you. All I'm asking is R* to simply have free aim as default and simply one other room for casual aimers. Make it so online play requires skill! I can't stand going into a match where the instant I spawn I get destroyed by 3 dudes with dead eye, it takes all the skill and fun out of this game. If people want to play with auto aim then have a noob room for them to do so in but leave us true gamers be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogy Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Agree. Maybe this is a better topic for it http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=471442&st=5600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frantz Fuchs Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I want a soft lock like RDR, where it auto aims for a split second, and then goes back to free aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR7 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Soft-Lock should be for beginners lets say level 20 and below, once you hit 21 you are booted from softlock playlist and have to play free aim. Sorry if that sounds harsh but soft lock has ruined MP3 for me since free aim is empty in comparison to SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig10 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Auto, soft and Free aim have several practical issues, they must find a better solution to the future, it's much more enjoyable to play with the pc with the mouse. Soft lock can be even more stupid than auto, it's the same thing but you must shoot it quickly, it could simply work by increasing the accuracy by helping you get the target more easily, like a magnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 (edited) Not this sh*t again. In GTA IV you could set your preferences to join Free-Aim only matches. In RDR you could join Hardcore matches which were Free-Aim only. In MP3 the multiplayer games were split into Auto-Aim and Free-Aim. There is no problem here. If there is no one in those Free-Aim games, well that's a playerbase problem. Not Rockstar's. "I know R* tries to make their game accessible to the many consumers, but don't cut it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" I like how instead of them "cutting it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" you want them to cut it back so it takes out the option of having fun and not having to worry about skill. Having Free-Aim be default in multiplayer isn't going to solve anything, people will just switch it back to Auto-Aim. Edited October 6, 2012 by cp1dell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafMetal Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Not this sh*t again. In GTA IV you could set your preferences to join Free-Aim only matches. In RDR you could join Hardcore matches which were Free-Aim only. In MP3 the multiplayer games were split into Auto-Aim and Free-Aim. There is no problem here. If there is no one in those Free-Aim games, well that's a playerbase problem. Not Rockstar's. "I know R* tries to make their game accessible to the many consumers, but don't cut it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" I like how instead of them "cutting it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" you want them to cut it back so it takes out the option of having fun and not having to worry about skill. Having Free-Aim be default in multiplayer isn't going to solve anything, people will just switch it back to Auto-Aim. This. Setting it as default won't do much to change people's preferences. If you feel better by playing free aim, then by all means, play free-aim games, just don't try to force it on all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrYoungGun Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I've switched to soft lock in mp3 since that's just the norm now, luckily rdr still has write a few hardcore players so i never have trouble finding a room there. But i agree something needs to be done to entice players to play free aim. There needs to be exclusive challenges and rewards for playing free aim, not just a slight xp bonus. Make it so the players that play the game at its highest difficulty, can earn something to hang their hat on. In the past I've suggested gold or platinum weapons that are earned by accumulating 1000 free aim headshots, on 1000 different players. That would give players a real goal to get after, and make boosting an unlikely ally. Sure the players that earn those weapons may switch over to auto aim after they get their prize, but there shouldn't be any shortage of players trying toget theirs for while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMaster Smith Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 Not this sh*t again. In GTA IV you could set your preferences to join Free-Aim only matches. In RDR you could join Hardcore matches which were Free-Aim only. In MP3 the multiplayer games were split into Auto-Aim and Free-Aim. There is no problem here. If there is no one in those Free-Aim games, well that's a playerbase problem. Not Rockstar's. "I know R* tries to make their game accessible to the many consumers, but don't cut it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" I like how instead of them "cutting it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" you want them to cut it back so it takes out the option of having fun and not having to worry about skill. Having Free-Aim be default in multiplayer isn't going to solve anything, people will just switch it back to Auto-Aim. How is it taking out the option of auto aim? Did you read the OP? What I'm saying is to make the default setting free aim and have secondary auto aim room for the noobs that want to play without worrying about skill. Default should require skill, not just running around spamming the left trigger hoping to lock onto someone, that's what noobs do. The number one thing that turned off my friends to RDR online was the horrid problem of being raped the second you spawn from either dead eye abusers or spawn killers instantly getting headshots due to auto lock. And I think the reason most people avoided hardcore rooms in the first place was simply because the name itself can be intimidating and implies a vague 'pros-only' type invitation. I personally believe free aim really draws you into the game where you're actually scanning the environment itself looking for people and listening to the audio to hear for gun shots ect and overall gives you a better gaming experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR7 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Not this sh*t again. In GTA IV you could set your preferences to join Free-Aim only matches. In RDR you could join Hardcore matches which were Free-Aim only. In MP3 the multiplayer games were split into Auto-Aim and Free-Aim. There is no problem here. If there is no one in those Free-Aim games, well that's a playerbase problem. Not Rockstar's. "I know R* tries to make their game accessible to the many consumers, but don't cut it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" I like how instead of them "cutting it back so it takes out the need of skill to play" you want them to cut it back so it takes out the option of having fun and not having to worry about skill. Having Free-Aim be default in multiplayer isn't going to solve anything, people will just switch it back to Auto-Aim. It becomes R*'s problem when free aim players that paid for the R* Pass and can barely find a game with the DLC maps due to Free aims small amount of players. It's a shame no one wants to be challenged anymore, from what I've played of SL it's not fun at all. Once someone has you in their sights your dead you can't run around the map and take on multiple enemies like Max Payne, it's mostly hiding behind corners to ambush people and a whole lot of camping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboDealer Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I absolutely despise auto-aim. But that doesn't mean I don't think it shouldn't be in the game. Imagine how hard it would be for noobs if you set them all up in a hardcore veteran free-aim match. They would stand no change against all us try-hards. Just keep the preferencing system they currently have in place. I've never had a problem with it, so I don't know why you do! Not everyone is a hardcore gamer y'know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeFail Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I use my PC for GTA, so i can't auto-aim. People with controllers always get me, and when i make a room thats free-aim only, nobody joins, or they ask for auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonjack Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 The PC gamers are pretty lucky actually. It must be way too easy to control a "Gun" in a video game and for us console gamers..We have to use a controller which is pretty hard to be honest and it takes the skill on being a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Autoaimers are the reason us hardcores never get to play Mafiya Work or Car Jack City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle-Eye Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) Please, God.. NO Make the game ATLEAST challenging. Grand Theft Auto IV missions were so easy to complete with auto-aim. Entirely, it just makes the game way too easy and not challenging whatsoever. No offense Auto-Aim noobs, but I wanna complete GTAV without aiming + tilting my aim stick up for a headshot for the millionth time. Edited October 7, 2012 by Eagle-Eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx165 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Something that has pestered me with IV and RDR was the lack of skill involved with online matches. I pray R* finally changes this up so the default is free aim then they can have a rookie 'casual' section that uses auto-target. I think it's a waste having a casual room, another auto aim room and then a hardcore room. I feel the online was very messy which led to it being hard to find games at times. I can almost never play any hardcore matches for the simple reason there's noone in them let alone ever played a veteran match. I know R* tries to make their game accessible to the many consumers, but don't cut it back so it takes out the need of skill to play.. Dead eye was a bust and with auto aim you can make kills across the map without even seeing them. The suspense and intensity of hardcore aiming sets the game excitement so much higher. When you come face to face with an enemy it's no longer a battle of 'who can roll and hit left trigger- right trigger the fastest' but actually requires skill of aiming to take your enemy out before they take out you. All I'm asking is R* to simply have free aim as default and simply one other room for casual aimers. Make it so online play requires skill! I can't stand going into a match where the instant I spawn I get destroyed by 3 dudes with dead eye, it takes all the skill and fun out of this game. If people want to play with auto aim then have a noob room for them to do so in but leave us true gamers be! Don't force players into playing different. I hated those causal aim people in Red Dead but it still didn't bother me. Cause you want to know why??? Because we all play different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raynos Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Make the game ATLEAST challenging.Grand Theft Auto IV missions were so easy to complete with auto-aim. Make it challenging yourself by turning off auto aim Sick of people trying to enforce what they think is "fun" onto other people. Seriously, if people find auto aim fun, let it be, who gives you the right to dictate what should be "fun" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kifflom112 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 So just go make your own match and turn auto aim off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakerhead. Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 So just go make your own match and turn auto aim off. This, if people want to use Auto, let them use Auto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Flam3s Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Agree with this 100%. One thing I hate it's that people make it seem like taking autoaim out would be the end of the world, when infact all the millions who play other fps or shooting games wouldn't dream of having it.IMO there should only be Aim assist and manual aim. I think manual aim should always be default in SP and MP, then if people found it too hard or just want a more chillaxing game then they can switch it to auto aim. Having auto aim on it's the reason manual aim lobbies are hard to find. It's not completely boring but it makess gun fights, the most heardcore experience in gta, really quick and boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Agree with this 100%. One thing I hate it's that people make it seem like taking autoaim out would be the end of the world, when infact all the millions who play other fps or shooting games wouldn't dream of having it. Damn straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleExel Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 The aim-sensivity must be higher. In GTA:IV the aim sensivity on high was still very slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raynos Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 This topic and people's response makes it apparent; people lack the will power to simply "Turn Off" autoaim, thus they want the game modified to suit their playing style, this way, they won't be tempted to use autoaim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 That's why i don't play multiplayer, too many noobs using auto-aim, shouting on the mic, and all around acting like f*cking idiots. Edit: I can understand if you don't like free-aim, but to claim auto-aim actually takes any amount of skill is just f*cking laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gardener Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 They have changed it in RDR. Just go onto hardcore free-roam and the default targeting in free-aim. Making free-aim the default for all games would be a bad move. Some players just can't play with it. Personally I prefer free-aim, but the thing about it in GTA is that only the very best players use free-aim and I get destroyed with it online. And since auto-aim is an option, all the casual and average player will just pick it because they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inflamedeyeball Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 That's why i don't play multiplayer, too many noobs using auto-aim, shouting on the mic, and all around acting like f*cking idiots.Edit: I can understand if you don't like free-aim, but to claim auto-aim actually takes any amount of skill is just f*cking laughable. If this were true I would lose IV MP matches to newbs all the time. It isn't, because I don't. Autoaim does take skill. I'm a pretty avid Team Deathmatch player, and I can terrorise lower level players to the point where they just leave the game (I also still regularly get my ass severely beaten by players much better than me). Autoaim doesn't even the odds. You just have to know how to work it. Besides, the weapons that kill with one shot don't use autoaim (sniper rifle and RPG). I'm talking about IV here, not RDR or MP3. I don't know exactly what the situation is with those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Dawg Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 only the very best players use free-aim and I get destroyed with it online Bullsh*t, I can't find a single player who can f*cking shoot in Deathmatch. They are very rare. All I find is newbs or high rankers who can't kill without RPGs. Team Deathmatch are turbos and glitchers that are just pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMaster Smith Posted October 7, 2012 Author Share Posted October 7, 2012 This topic and people's response makes it apparent; people lack the will power to simply "Turn Off" autoaim, thus they want the game modified to suit their playing style, this way, they won't be tempted to use autoaim. No not at all.. There's a reason most games use free aim instead of auto aim, it requires skill. If you want a game that doesn't require skill go play something rated E that's aimed at children 6 and below. GTA is made for adults who have the mental capacity to use strategy and skill to win. Just Cause had free aim as default and ffs I'm pretty sure even Saints Row had free aim as their default.. If you really don't want to take the time to learn how to aim then they'll still have rooms for auto aim, but just don't make it default so the majority of players are starting off in auto aim rooms leaving behind the free aim rooms nearly empty.. I feel the majority who even whine about auto aim being default are the ones who aren't even old enough to buy this game without their careless parents standing behind them. I'm sure if auto aim is still default for V then I'm sure us hardcore players won't have a problem finding free aim rooms, it's just once the game starts dying down like RDR it's nearly impossible to find free aim rooms and you're stuck in rooms where all the noobs spam dead eye and it's no longer a game of skill but a game of hiding behind cover waiting for someone to pop up from their cover so you can insta-kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitches_Brew Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) This topic and people's response makes it apparent; people lack the will power to simply "Turn Off" autoaim, thus they want the game modified to suit their playing style, this way, they won't be tempted to use autoaim. yeah, i can't fathom why people complain about autoaim when they can select freeaim anytime they want. that's like joining a death match and complaining that it's not freemode. it's simple. if you have a problem with autoaim, don't play it. just like if you have a problem with people shooting you, play with friendly fire off. if you don't like the airport, select a city game. that's why we have OPTIONS! the majority of players are starting off in auto aim rooms leaving behind the free aim rooms nearly empty. it's nearly impossible to find free aim rooms and you're stuck in rooms where all the noobs spam dead eye and it's no longer a game of skill but a game of hiding behind cover waiting for someone to pop up from their cover so you can insta-kill them. you would think with so many self-proclaimed "skilled" freeaim players there would be more people actually playing it. Edited October 7, 2012 by Bitches_Brew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) Found auto aim has it's good and bad points. Eg sometimes auto aim doesn't get that dude hiding behind a box so free aiming at the head is an advantage. Some missions are easier in free aim whereas others are easy with auto aim. But I agree with setting up your own battles in free aim for the guys who prefer it. I think that there will be scenarios in V where we will be forced to use free aim as in IV when you have to save Roman and same as in the hostage situation in LA Noire. There will be no other way around it and Rockstar Games still will do their little tutorial on how to free aim in V anyway Edited October 7, 2012 by AuSsIeThUnDeR36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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