Obama warned: Expect a nuclear or biological...

[EscoLehGo]

Yes, because PFC is definitely capable of making a logical, factual counter he's just keeping that up his sleeve because debating with sivi is like yelling at a brick wall. Ok.

[JOSEPH X]

When I was growing up in the 80's we lived in constant fear of nuclear war - and I mean real fear. It influenced all aspects of culture. It didn't begin to ease up until Reagan and Gorbachev signed some peace and nuclear proliferation treaties, but up 'til then everyone had some fear of a nuclear holocaust. It would be hard to describe the atmosphere, or the influence it had on culture, but it was a lot worse than the current fear of terror.

[sivispacem]

 

After reading some of his previous posts on these forums, I've gathered the impression he is your box-standard liberal.

You aren't very good at developing impressions of people then. The closest I am to "liberal" is Ordoliberal in my economic stance, and that's hardly "box-standard liberalism"; everywhere else, particularly defence and security, I'm firmly in the centre-right spectrum. Perhaps if you spent more time reading my posts and less projecting an imagined version of what I'd written onto them you'd understand that.

 

 

So I gave him a link to a video that points out everything that is wrong with the liberal affiliated newspaper called The Gaurdian in the hope I may get a response where he recognises these faults and clarifies his own stance with this particular publication.

Which would be at all relevant if I was actually a Guardian reader. I ignored your post because it contributed nothing. It was a poor attempt to provoke an adverse reaction based on an imagined caricature of your views that backfired spectacularly. Why, pray tell, would I need to "clarify my own state with this...publication" if my stance with the publication in question is one of overwhelming ambivalence and apathy? If you want me to humour you, which I assume you do by being very insistent on the subject, I don't tend to read a daily newspaper. I get The Telegraph from time to time, read the Financial Times a little more frequently, and have a subscription to the Sunday Times, but only because I get lots of goodies with it and it works out at about 60p an issue. I also subscribe to The Economist.

 

So, tell me, based on that, why don't you clarify your own stance? I mean, it's not as if I don't take the piss out of Robinski from time to time for being a lentil-munching Grauniad reader. Which you'd probably know if you actually read anything I post.

 

 

So attempting to counter with him seems like a bit of a waste of time to be fair.

I don't tend to respond to people who are having imaginary and entirely synthetic conversations with an fictitious caricature of me, particularly when that caricature is so inaccurate.

[ghost of delete key]

 

I myself, attempted to counter 'Sivi' with a reasonable, albeit sarcastic, reply to his attack on The Dailly Mail newspaper. After reading some of his previous posts on these forums, I've gathered the impression he is your box-standard liberal.

 

So I gave him a link to a video that points out everything that is wrong with the liberal affiliated newspaper called The Gaurdian, in the hope I may get a response where he recognises these faults and clarifies his own stance with this particular publication.

 

But unfortunately he chose to ignore this opportunity, as acknowledging left-wing hypocrisy seems to be an impossibility when it comes to these fools.

 

So attempting to counter with him seems like a bit of a waste of time to be fair.

I'm sure you're familiar with the old saw:

"you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"...

 

Remember that in any debate, you are never going to convince your opponent of any contrary view, nor are you supposed to; it is performed purely for the benefit of 3rd-party observers. The debaters already are entrenched in their views. Abandon all hope of sivispacem suddenly realizing the "folly of his ways", or whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[PrivateFirstClass]

What the hell is going on in this world? I mean..Those people in the USA needs to wake up to be honest.

This comment confuses me. It is 2pm here. I've pounded a pot of coffee already. I'm a tax paying citizen and all that.

 

 

 

Oh and @PrivateFirstClass...Relax a bit there chuckles. Until you can counter Sivi with credible references you will continue to look like a crackpot freak. I'm just saying that as a sideline observer - I have no stake (nor do I care) in the crazy argument I've seen going on between the two of you.

I myself, attempted to counter 'Sivi' with a reasonable, albeit sarcastic, reply to his attack on The Dailly Mail newspaper. After reading some of his previous posts on these forums, I've gathered the impression he is your box-standard liberal.

 

So I gave him a link to a video that points out everything that is wrong with the liberal affiliated newspaper called The Gaurdian, in the hope I may get a response where he recognises these faults and clarifies his own stance with this particular publication.

 

But unfortunately he chose to ignore this opportunity, as acknowledging left-wing hypocrisy seems to be an impossibility when it comes to these fools.

 

So attempting to counter with him seems like a bit of a waste of time to be fair.

 

Yes, because PFC is definitely capable of making a logical, factual counter he's just keeping that up his sleeve because debating with sivi is like yelling at a brick wall. Ok.

 

THIS ! im not the only one here who know that sivi is a brick wall.

you guys says the reason why i do not want to debunk his silly posts : waste of time.

as i said : he is an undestroyable brick wall.

let him watch BBC, CNN, Fox News etc.... its his fault, he is stupid as f*ck.

anyway, don´t feet the trolls (sivispacem), so lets get back OT now.

[trip]

When I was growing up in the 80's we lived in constant fear of nuclear war - and I mean real fear. It influenced all aspects of culture. It didn't begin to ease up until Reagan and Gorbachev signed some peace and nuclear proliferation treaties, but up 'til then everyone had some fear of a nuclear holocaust. It would be hard to describe the atmosphere, or the influence it had on culture, but it was a lot worse than the current fear of terror.

Thank you. Since we fall between GenX and the baby boomers(in a way)...I like to think of our generation as the Doomsday generation.

 

I kid you not that I actually planned on not having to live an adult life because I was convinced that mankind was going to end the world. No f*cking lie.

 

@GoDK - I'm curious as to your feelings on that since I believe you are a few months older than me and are from this area of the US. Extra curious since I know we are from different political philosophies.

[Mr.Mister]

With nuclear proliferation, it is possible for a terrorist organization to acquire nukes. No government is going to bomb anyone because of MAD.

 

America has feared chemical bombs, EMPs etc for decades now and another attack is 100% bound to happen, but its impossible to know when (unless your in the CIA with info). I'd be more worried about things like GMOs, unemployment and all that bad stuff that actually affects everyone.

 

Conspiracy theorists are extremely pessimistic and out of touch with reality

[PrivateFirstClass]

 

Conspiracy theorists are extremely pessimistic and out of touch with reality

true, after 11 years, still many Conspiracy theorists believe that on 9/11, 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes and were able to trick out the trillion dollar NORAD system + were able to brough down 3 massive steel structure buildings with only 2 planes.

also they believe that iraq war, afghanistan war, lybia war, pakistan war and drone strikes are legal.

also these Conspiracy theorists really believe that some "terrorists" are able to get uranium or biological stuff and bring it into police state U.S.A without conspicuous.

[WF the Hobgoblin]

 

When I was growing up in the 80's we lived in constant fear of nuclear war - and I mean real fear. It influenced all aspects of culture. It didn't begin to ease up until Reagan and Gorbachev signed some peace and nuclear proliferation treaties, but up 'til then everyone had some fear of a nuclear holocaust. It would be hard to describe the atmosphere, or the influence it had on culture, but it was a lot worse than the current fear of terror.

Did you know your Protect and Survive manual off by heart?

[ghost of delete key]

 

When I was growing up in the 80's we lived in constant fear of nuclear war - and I mean real fear. It influenced all aspects of culture. It didn't begin to ease up until Reagan and Gorbachev signed some peace and nuclear proliferation treaties, but up 'til then everyone had some fear of a nuclear holocaust. It would be hard to describe the atmosphere, or the influence it had on culture, but it was a lot worse than the current fear of terror.

Thank you. Since we fall between GenX and the baby boomers(in a way)...I like to think of our generation as the Doomsday generation.

 

I kid you not that I actually planned on not having to live an adult life because I was convinced that mankind was going to end the world. No f*cking lie.

 

@GoDK - I'm curious as to your feelings on that since I believe you are a few months older than me and are from this area of the US. Extra curious since I know we are from different political philosophies.

We're very close in both age and location.

 

Opinion: is it possible we could be nuked?

 

Well, yes and no. You and I are used to the "old-school" mentality of MAD, which presupposes mutual threat between two similarly equipped and featured superpowers. The reason we still exist shows us that the MAD theory was likely correct.

 

Today, CCCP is gone, and US stands alone, surrounded by many smaller military powers with nukes. The MAD mindset still stands though, as you notice nobody holding nukes is really willing even to engage in cold war (apart from India and Pakistan), though all parties may have secretly targeted many others. There could possibly be something like a dozen-way Mexican standoff, if you will.

 

The only plausible threat of use of CBN (chemical, biological, nuclear) or "dirty bombs" now comes from rogue terrorist organizations; while there is the willpower, none of these possess the materiel or the manpower (or indeed the know-how) to bring an attack to fruition... EXCEPT that there is much former CCCP materiel now in the possession of ex-Soviet satellites and Middle East rogue nations. We are now at that ugly doorstep, as we have been for at least a decade, of sponsorship of these organizations by these nations. The worst of these to date is Iran, and we are approaching a time where the line will be erased between organization and nation, where the agendas will be one and the same, and where the materiel and manpower will match the willpower to cause trouble.

 

In short, No, not likely soon, but yes, very possible in the long run.

 

 

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Conspiracy theorists are extremely pessimistic and out of touch with reality

true, after 11 years, still many Conspiracy theorists believe that on 9/11, 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes and were able to trick out the trillion dollar NORAD system + were able to brough down 3 massive steel structure buildings with only 2 planes.

also they believe that iraq war, afghanistan war, lybia war, pakistan war and drone strikes are legal.

also these Conspiracy theorists really believe that some "terrorists" are able to get uranium or biological stuff and bring it into police state U.S.A without conspicuous.

Oh looky, sarcasm!!

 

Get a clue, or kindly stay in the sandbox while the grownups talk.

[Dingdongs]

Conspiracy theorists are extremely pessimistic and out of touch with reality

true, after 11 years, still many Conspiracy theorists believe that on 9/11, 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes and were able to trick out the trillion dollar NORAD system + were able to brough down 3 massive steel structure buildings with only 2 planes.

also they believe that iraq war, afghanistan war, lybia war, pakistan war and drone strikes are legal.

also these Conspiracy theorists really believe that some "terrorists" are able to get uranium or biological stuff and bring it into police state U.S.A without conspicuous.

How would NORAD have stopped an airline hijacking?

[PrivateFirstClass]

 

Conspiracy theorists are extremely pessimistic and out of touch with reality

true, after 11 years, still many Conspiracy theorists believe that on 9/11, 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes and were able to trick out the trillion dollar NORAD system + were able to brough down 3 massive steel structure buildings with only 2 planes.

also they believe that iraq war, afghanistan war, lybia war, pakistan war and drone strikes are legal.

also these Conspiracy theorists really believe that some "terrorists" are able to get uranium or biological stuff and bring it into police state U.S.A without conspicuous.

How would NORAD have stopped an airline hijacking?

 

i see on your avatar the typical "obama 2012" logo, thats explain all.

Edited October 6, 2012 by PrivateFirstClass

[bluesboyjr]

 

How would NORAD have stopped an airline hijacking?

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i see on your avatar the typical "obama 2012" logo, thats explain all.

"Instead of answering your question, I'll instead use an ad hominem attack that is completely irrelevant to anything."

[PrivateFirstClass]

 

How would NORAD have stopped an airline hijacking?

Image no one can see because FunnyJunk doesn't allow direct image linking.

 

i see on your avatar the typical "obama 2012" logo, thats explain all.

"Instead of answering your question, I'll instead use an ad hominem attack that is completely irrelevant to anything."

my answer : do your research !

also, everyone should already know how the NORAD can stop these hijacked airliner.

remember the exercise that NORAD made before and during 9/11, there were over 100 !! exercise.

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[Adler]

Conspiracy theorists are extremely pessimistic and out of touch with reality

true, after 11 years, still many Conspiracy theorists believe that on 9/11, 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes and were able to trick out the trillion dollar NORAD system + were able to brough down 3 massive steel structure buildings with only 2 planes.

also they believe that iraq war, afghanistan war, lybia war, pakistan war and drone strikes are legal.

also these Conspiracy theorists really believe that some "terrorists" are able to get uranium or biological stuff and bring it into police state U.S.A without conspicuous.

Wait. I thought you were a conspiracy theorist.

[sivispacem]

anyway, don´t feet the trolls (sivispacem), so lets get back OT now.

We were on topic before you derailed it with your conspiracy nonsense.

 

Anyway, I doubt anyone will take seriously someone who claims that NORAD could have done anything about the hijackings. Go on, what are you suggesting? A shoot-down of a civilian aircraft in a public area? Give me a break. The rules of engagement in 2001 didn't even cover the eventuality of a hijacked civilian aircraft being used as an offensive weapon on US soil. That's an oversight by the US government, demonstrating a lack of competence in operational planning and forethought. Hard to predict, yes, but not impossible.

 

I truly adore the irony of you suggesting others do their research, when not one single point, argument or idea you have presented or perpetuated has been based in research, scientific understanding or academic consensus.

[ghost of delete key]

 

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Of course you knew UnFunnyJunk doesnt allow hotlinking, right? Tell me you did it for teh lulz.

 

Also,

 

 

NORAD arfbargle flonkflonkflonk

 

You DO know NORAD is a radar net aimed at filtering for incoming ICBMs and non-commercial, unplanned flight traffic invading our airspace from outside, and not monitoring our commercial flights, right?

 

Right?

 

Right?

 

 

[El Dildo]

why is anyone even replying to PrivateFirstClass?

 

just ignore his ass.

when you feed the troll, the troll wins.

[Finn 7 five 11]

why is anyone even replying to PrivateFirstClass?

 

just ignore his ass.

when you feed the troll, the troll wins.

Let the dumbass have some pleasure, but unfortunately for his dumb. ass our opinion of him just degrades further.

 

Making it known he is a dumbass in turn for him getting some pleasure is a fair trade off i think.

[Mr. Reaper.]

Why is an Australian creating this topic?

 

Australia is the most boring and war neural place in the world.

We won't be effected, we either;

 

A) Support Asia if it happens.

B) Support Russia if it happens.

C) Support USA if it happens.

D) Initiate our hidden war plan*.

 

*We crack open Uluru to reveal our hidden silos of Hydrogen Missiles and initiate war on those who oppose us.

 

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Despite how serious I was above, until there is a public release from Obama himself or an actual war general,

I'm not going to believe anything I read about such a topic, as it could be from a kid with a crayon.