turkey strikes syria

October 3, 2012

Turkey has fired back at Syria after Syrian mortar bombs killed five people and wounded eight others in a Turkish town near the border, says the Turkish Prime Minister's office. NATO schedules an urgent meeting to be held later in the day.

“Our armed forces in the border region immediately retaliated against this heinous attack… by shelling the targets spotted by radar,” Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan’s office said in a statement.

"Turkey will never leave unanswered such kinds of provocation by the Syrian regime against our national security," the office added. According to Syrian media, Turkish artillery hit targets in the province of Idlib.

In the official statement, NATO urged Syria to put end to “flagrant violations of international law,” saying that it stands by Turkey, Reuters reported.

Turkey is now deploying tanks, artillery and missile batteries to the Syria border, reports Mahir Zeynalov, a journalist with the prominent Turkish newspaper Today's Zaman, citing sources on the ground.

NATO ambassadors are to convene later in the day to discuss the shelling of the Turkish town. The meeting will be held under NATO Article 4, for consultations when a member state feels territorial integrity is under threat, officials say.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has earlier contacted UN Syrian envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, UN Secretary General Ban-ki Moon and senior Turkish military officials about the incident, as well as Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the NATO Secretary General.

On Wednesday, at least three bombs fired from Syria hit a residential suburb of the Turkish border town of Akcakale, killing a woman and four children from the same family and wounding at least eight others. This is a second mortar attack on the Turkish town since last Friday. Back then Foreign Minister Davutoglu said he would take action if there were a repeat.

In response to Wednesday shelling, Turkey’s Deputy Prime Minster stated that “Syria must be made to account for the incident and there must be a response under international law.” In Akcakale, dozens of angry residents marched to the local mayor's office to protest the deaths.

The Obama administration said it is "outraged" by the Syrian mortar attack. The US is consulting Turkey on what Hillary Clinton dubbed a "very dangerous situation." The US State Secretary plans to speak to the Turkish Foreign Minister later on Wednesday.

UN chief Ban Ki-moon also urged Syria to respect the sovereignty of its neighbors in the wake of the deadly shelling. Still it remains unclear whether the bombs were fired by the Syrian government's forces or by rebels.

NATO on Wednesday also said it strongly condemned the Syrian shelling of Akcakale, a spokeswoman told AFP.

“NATO expresses its strong condemnation,” said Oana Lungescu. “NATO continues to follow the situation closely and with great concern.”

Turkey, which hosts over 90,000 Syrian refugees in camps along its border, has been an outspoken supporter of the popular uprising in Syria.

Turkey has been an outspoken supporter of the popular uprising in Syria. Relations between the two countries plummeted after the Syrian military downed a Turkish jet in international waters in June. This, and an increasingly volatile situation along the Syrian border, made Istanbul bolster its military presence in the region. According to Turkish media, several batteries of ground-to-air missiles, troop carriers and tanks were sent to the border over the summer.

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now here we go, the slow road to world war 3.

i hope everyone will be happy with theyr world war 3 and its aftermath (the new world order).

thx to moderator for fix the title !

Edited October 3, 2012 by PrivateFirstClass

October 3, 2012

I highly doubt this will cause ww3. Two countries hardly constitutes as 'world' does it?

October 3, 2012

That can only make sense if your head is already full of shi...conspiracies and paranoia.

In reality, you have no idea what you are talking about. You just assume things.

October 3, 2012

I highly doubt this will cause ww3. Two countries hardly constitutes as 'world' does it?

well what about all the sanctions against syria ? what if it will escalate ?

there will be far more countries involved than only turkey and syria, also do not forget that there will be many "guerilla" groups will be created.

October 3, 2012

Jumped the shark a bit there didn't you? How does Turkey firing into Syria constitute a war exactly? It's a very limited exchange, it means hardly anything at all. Syria has violated Turkish territory on a number of occasions by firing across the border, but Turkey hasn't really responded before. But this time Syria fired and hit a village killing 5 civilians, so Turkey responded with a lot more force. But still it's nothing more than a show of force to tell Syria they won't tolerate it anymore.

You are an imbecile who understands nothing of the world my friend.

October 3, 2012

Syria's only friends are Russia (cause Russia sell them military hardware), China (cause China just don't like anybody criticizing the established order in any given country, in this case Syria), Iran (cause the leaders there are idiots, I feel for the Persian people suffering them idiots) and maybe North Korea (but then again who knows what the hell they think).

Russia will cave in when they realise they're not going to make any more friends with 'safe' countries they could sell stuff to.

China will cave in when they realise that although they world most the world by the short and curlys because they have all our money, we hold them to ransom, cause we'll just stop buying sh*t that's made in China

Iran probably won't shut up but who cares as nobody listens that plum in charge anyway.

Just needs the UN to grow a pair and get this sh*t sorted out, or let Turkey lead the way and slap them around a bit.

October 3, 2012

Jumped the shark a bit there didn't you? How does Turkey firing into Syria constitute a war exactly? It's a very limited exchange, it means hardly anything at all. Syria has violated Turkish territory on a number of occasions by firing across the border, but Turkey hasn't really responded before. But this time Syria fired and hit a village killing 5 civilians, so Turkey responded with a lot more force. But still it's nothing more than a show of force to tell Syria they won't tolerate it anymore.

You are an imbecile who understands nothing of the world my friend.

question : how do we know that syrian army fired the grenades into the village ? there is no proof of it, just because they say that syrian army fired the grenades does not mean they did it in reality.

it can be the terrorist group Free Syrian Army which was created by our zionists governments and financed by our zionists bankers and governments, it can be the turkish government itself and blame the Assad forces, also it can be that syrian army fired it, we don´t know but the official story doesn´t make sense :

why should assad make himself more enemies, when he has to fight already against the terrorist group FSA and the doomed revolution ? also he know that he is under sanctions and he know that if he attacks another country, that more than just one country will be involved.

what happen in syria now, happened already in lybia and gaddafi.

terrorist groups created in lybia and call themselves freedom fighters to destabilise the country = make gaddafi looks like a dictator with the help of the media = won much support from citizens = no fly zone = invasion.

October 3, 2012

Jumped the shark a bit there didn't you? How does Turkey firing into Syria constitute a war exactly? It's a very limited exchange, it means hardly anything at all. Syria has violated Turkish territory on a number of occasions by firing across the border, but Turkey hasn't really responded before. But this time Syria fired and hit a village killing 5 civilians, so Turkey responded with a lot more force. But still it's nothing more than a show of force to tell Syria they won't tolerate it anymore.

You are an imbecile who understands nothing of the world my friend.

question : how do we know that syrian army fired the grenades into the village ? there is no proof of it, just because they say that syrian army fired the grenades does not mean they did it in reality.

Are you f*cking with us dude? The news source you posted shows a Turkish village after it was shelled by Syria.

October 3, 2012

I'm surprised theres anything left of the middle east. What a f*cked up war torn place. Its probably still going to be the same 30 years from now.

October 3, 2012

Turkey isn't really in the Middle East- well, it's as much in Europe as it is in West Asia, despite being one of the traditional "Middle Eastern" countries. But that's largely irrelevant. This is an inevitability that I mentioned some months back. I do remember distinctly saying that if any nation were to conduct unilateral military action agasint Syria, it would be Turkey. But we shall wait to see how it evolves.

Edited October 3, 2012 by sivispacem

October 3, 2012

Turkey isn't really in the Middle East- well, it's as much in Europe as it is in West Asia, despite being one of the traditional "Middle Eastern" countries. But that's largely irrelevant. This is an inevitability that I mentioned some months back. I do remember distinctly saying that if any nation were to conduct unilateral military action agasint Syria, it would be Turkey. But we shall wait to see how it evolves.

I am crossing my fingers that, within the next 3 hours, something MAJOR happens so they have to pull Obama off the debate stage. At least a permanent 3 point bump for him... he will look quite presidential.

October 4, 2012

Jumped the shark a bit there didn't you? How does Turkey firing into Syria constitute a war exactly? It's a very limited exchange, it means hardly anything at all. Syria has violated Turkish territory on a number of occasions by firing across the border, but Turkey hasn't really responded before. But this time Syria fired and hit a village killing 5 civilians, so Turkey responded with a lot more force. But still it's nothing more than a show of force to tell Syria they won't tolerate it anymore.

You are an imbecile who understands nothing of the world my friend.

question : how do we know that syrian army fired the grenades into the village ? there is no proof of it, just because they say that syrian army fired the grenades does not mean they did it in reality.

Are you f*cking with us dude? The news source you posted shows a Turkish village after it was shelled by Syria.

i never said that the turkish village was never bombed.

yes it was bombed, but the question is : who did it in reality ?

thats what i want to say.

October 4, 2012

yes it was bombed, but the question is : who did it in reality ?

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Employ it.

October 4, 2012

Syria's only friends are Russia (cause Russia sell them military hardware), China (cause China just don't like anybody criticizing the established order in any given country, in this case Syria), Iran (cause the leaders there are idiots, I feel for the Persian people suffering them idiots) and maybe North Korea (but then again who knows what the hell they think).

Russia will cave in when they realise they're not going to make any more friends with 'safe' countries they could sell stuff to.

When has Russia cared about making friends? Russia just needs a fight in the region. Whoever's willing to start one, they'll back them up, but they won't get involved. It's not really matter of caving. It's a matter of why should they give a sh*t? A war in the region would disrupt oil exports, which increases price of oil and makes Russia a better place to import from. Russia's main export? Oil. A war also means need for military hardware and metals. That's Russia's chief exports 2 and 3. Beyond that, there is no gain.

Same deal with Iran. Why in the world would Russia actually ally itself with an extremist Muslim government? Russian people, who are primarily Orthodox Christians, are the same kind of infidels to the extremists as anybody in the West. But these guys keep making enemies in the region, and that means Russia will keep supplying Iran with whatever they need to be more efficient at it. For a fee, of course.

Oh, and if somebody does something to make NATO look bad, that's just a bonus for Russia.

So anyways, back to Syria. If a war does start, you can expect Russia to keep supplying Syria with weapons, regardless of any sanctions. They'll do it off the books if necessary. They've done it in a number of wars before, and they'll keep doing it now. There is just no incentive for them not to. And if West complains, you can always blame it on the black market.

October 4, 2012

Oh, and if somebody does something to make NATO look bad, that's just a bonus for Russia.

NATO sucks ass just like the zionist regime of russia.

what have Zionist NATO done in the middle east? peace ? democracy ? NO !

just chaos and destruction ! same as the zionist regime in soviet union and russia,

soviet afghan war = 15,000 dead soviet soldiers, 2,000,000 dead innocents afghans.

russia war with chechnya = almost 15,000 dead russian soldiers, over 100,000 dead innocent chechens.

zionist NATO and russia are the same scum, the same garbage.

in secret they are big brothers, fighting innocent civilians (us all).

so don´t tell me that make nato looks bad is a bonus for russia.

send these organisations, governments, system etc.... to hell.

to hell with capitalism, communism, marxism, nazism, socialism etc....

to hell with U.N, NATO, KFOR, AIPAC, ISAF and many more.

to hell with putin, assad, erdogan, medwedew, kim jong un, kim jong il, obama, bush, cheney, sarkozy, tony blair, hollande, merkel and every single zionist, politcan, banker etc.. just like saddam, gaddafi, hitler & stalin, they came from hell and went back to theyr homes = the hell !

October 4, 2012

I hate to repeat myself, but:

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Employ it.

You need to learn to rationalise. And, for that matter, express views without willfully coming across as as absolutely, completely insane, or sounding like a deranged street preacher.

October 4, 2012

Peace has been broken completely. And that's not challange Turkey and Syria. It concerns everyone. I don't know too much information. Just wait and see.

October 4, 2012

The topic title kind of makes it sound like an actual Turkey is attacking Syria.

October 4, 2012

NATO sucks ass just like the zionist regime of russia.

I'm sorry, Zionist regime? You'll have to run that one by me.

zionist NATO and russia are the same scum, the same garbage.

In this context, they are militarized organizations competing for influence in Eurasia. In that sense, yes, they are similar, and you are over-personalizing them. Neither of these have protecting lives as their primary goal, so I don't see why you are acting so outraged about their methods.

so don´t tell me that make nato looks bad is a bonus for russia.

It is, though. In every sense. Any faux pa on the part of NATO is one more argument Russia has when question of building military bases comes up. It is one more argument that can be made when selling military hardware. It is one more argument that can be used when negotiating oil contracts. Anything that puts NATO in negative light gives more influence to Russia, and vice versa.

October 4, 2012