why does rockstar get pressured THIS much?

[CookPassBabtridge]

 

What about my comparison of how CoD: MW3 (only out about 10 months) has sold more than GTA IV (out almost 4 years)?

That isn't a fair comparison either. GTA IV was released when they weren't much consoles on the market. Today there are more than 4 times more consoles than back in 2008. Lets say half of them were just bought because the old ones were broken (that's even a unrealistic case!) then it would mean that today there are 2 times more consoles than back in 2008. THIS is the reason why Modern Warfare 3 sold more copies than GTA IV. If I consider all this then I think GTA V will sell better than CoD MW3.

Wasnt it that MW3 outsold 4 years of IV in 10 months? I dont like FPS games, but cant argue with the way they sell.

 

EDIT: other point about revealing 50% of IV in previews: I remember quite vividly that it was about 50% misleading in terms of what they actually delivered. Almost the reverse of spoilers if you will

Edited September 16, 2012 by CookPassBabtridge

[Hayze]

What about my comparison of how CoD: MW3 (only out about 10 months) has sold more than GTA IV (out almost 4 years)?

That isn't a fair comparison either. GTA IV was released when they weren't much consoles on the market. Today there are more than 4 times more consoles than back in 2008. Lets say half of them were just bought because the old ones were broken (that's even a unrealistic case!) then it would mean that today there are 2 times more consoles than back in 2008. THIS is the reason why Modern Warfare 3 sold more copies than GTA IV. If I consider all this then I think GTA V will sell better than CoD MW3.

 

@CookPassBabtridge: Don't worry. You'll get your marketing campaign. Just don't expect that Rockstar will reveal 50% of the game like they did with GTA IV!

Ehhh ya that's actually a good point about console install base. I still think though, unless Rockstar goes on a marketing blitz targeting new gamers, BlOps 2 will still sell better than GTA V. Hopefully I'm wrong though.

[Frantz Fuchs]

It's gonna be close, both BOII and V will sell 30 million+ copies.

Some kids who've just started gaming only know of one game which is Call of Duty.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Frantz Fuchs

[Andreas]

Wasnt it that MW3 outsold 4 years of IV in 10 months? I dont like FPS games, but cant argue with the way they sell.

You forgot the fact that the sales won't be strong forever. We could make a percentage of how strong the sales at the time of the release is and then a half year after it and then a year after the release. I won't make one at least not now. Maybe in the next days.

 

GTA IV sold ~3.6 million copies on the first day, ~6 million copies in the first week, ~8.5 million copies in the first month and ~13 million copies in the first year. As you can see after one year the sales are "only" 1.5 times higher compared to the first week after the release.

 

Cod MW3 sold ~6.5 million copies on the first day, ~10 million copies in the first month and (assumption!) ~30 million copies in the first year. One year after the release the ammount of sales is 3 times higher compared to the first month.

 

REMEMBER: Today there are 4 times more consoles than back in 2008 when GTA IV was released! The consoles are now at the end of their lifecycle which means the base has reached its high. I think it'll be interesting to see how the sales of GTA V and Black Ops 2 will be.

[Smith John]

I think the bottom line is for GTA V to sell as big as a CoD game (to match that apparent most anticipated claim) it better start marketing towards players and people who aren't already GTA fans. The casual gamer will get CoD but the casual gamer might not even know GTA V is coming out.

Totally right. People on here are convinced silence is the 'new thang', when in fact if it carries on too long it will be detrimental to sales.

Precisely.

 

Everyone I know doesn't give a sh*t about GTA anymore. When it comes to gaming talk, all they ever bang on about are Assassins Creed and that stinking pile of horse sh*te called Call of Duty - I will never unsterstand the appeal of that series, although fps aren't really my thing in general. Their attitude is pretty much...."f*ck GTA, I've been waiting all year for that sh*t, I'll be spending my cash elsewhere".

 

Almost none of them knew about the screens untill I had to point them out.

 

R*'s silence is far from a success story as far as the casual GTA fan/gamer is concerned.

[theworldfamous]

Also, get rid of that Hunter S Thompson avatar. Hunter S. Thompson would not be cheerleading a marketing campeign on an internet forum. He'd be on the side saying "f*ck these corporate bastards!" .

No he'd probably admire the sweet f*ckin irony of it and kick your ass for the hell of it.

[r34ld34l]

I think the bottom line is for GTA V to sell as big as a CoD game (to match that apparent most anticipated claim) it better start marketing towards players and people who aren't already GTA fans. The casual gamer will get CoD but the casual gamer might not even know GTA V is coming out.

Totally right. People on here are convinced silence is the 'new thang', when in fact if it carries on too long it will be detrimental to sales.

Precisely.

 

Everyone I know doesn't give a sh*t about GTA anymore. When it comes to gaming talk, all they ever bang on about are Assassins Creed and that stinking pile of horse sh*te called Call of Duty - I will never unsterstand the appeal of that series, although fps aren't really my thing in general. Their attitude is pretty much...."f*ck GTA, I've been waiting all year for that sh*t, I'll be spending my cash elsewhere".

 

Almost none of them knew about the screens untill I had to point them out.

 

R*'s silence is far from a success story as far as the casual GTA fan/gamer is concerned.

How can you compare Assassins Creed to CoD? AC are great series, it have awesome story. A lot better than CoD stories.

[Smith John]

I think the bottom line is for GTA V to sell as big as a CoD game (to match that apparent most anticipated claim) it better start marketing towards players and people who aren't already GTA fans. The casual gamer will get CoD but the casual gamer might not even know GTA V is coming out.

Totally right. People on here are convinced silence is the 'new thang', when in fact if it carries on too long it will be detrimental to sales.

Precisely.

 

Everyone I know doesn't give a sh*t about GTA anymore. When it comes to gaming talk, all they ever bang on about are Assassins Creed and that stinking pile of horse sh*te called Call of Duty - I will never unsterstand the appeal of that series, although fps aren't really my thing in general. Their attitude is pretty much...."f*ck GTA, I've been waiting all year for that sh*t, I'll be spending my cash elsewhere".

 

Almost none of them knew about the screens untill I had to point them out.

 

R*'s silence is far from a success story as far as the casual GTA fan/gamer is concerned.

How can you compare Assassins Creed to CoD? AC are great series, it have awesome story. A lot better than CoD stories.

I wasn't comparing anything bro. Learn to read.

[Frantz Fuchs]

I agree with niko bellic half brother. Everyone in my college in more interested in Black Ops 2 instead of GTA 5. Rockstar really need to kick start their marketing...

Granted, most of them don't know anything about gaming but still...

[AtomicPunk]

Well if a strategy that results in a huge amount of fans losing respect for their company is a marketing move that works brilliantly, I sure am living in a back to front world.

When the release is near then you'll love Rockstar again. Don't worry. All fans that say the lose respect for Rockstar will have respect again and even love Rockstar for making the best game that they have ever made. How did you feel after GTA IV was announced and we got 10 months absolutely nothing? GTA V was announced and we had a trailer within a week. GTA IV was announced with a little logo and a release date that was originally 17 months away, then delayed by another 6 months.

No. Sometimes, once respect is lost, it's hard to gain back. All GTA's before had reasonable marketing and didn't starve people to the point of breaking. R* had the marketing right and strung people along----kept people talking in a different/constructive way than this destructive thing that is going down. Everything was fine before, but whoever at R* that came up with this new approach doesn't care about the fans, a lot of people have had enough of the games and just want a release date.

 

To drop a trailer, then disappear for months on end.....that caused them the problems, it isn't just impatient little 11yo's. All I want is a release date, nothing more. But if we get more then it should be in a timely manner, NOT "few weeks" = months on end. Some people don't like to be lied to or jerked around. I ask you, can you respect a liar or someone who leads you on purposely? Will I buy V day one? You know I will, but will I still hold R* on the pedestal that I once put them on? We shall see, I guess.

 

[JimmyTheBadass]

We have every right to be

 

1)HYPED

2)EXCITED

3)CHECKING THE NEWSWIRE EVERY 5 MINUTES

4)CHECKING THE FORUMS EVERY 5 MINUTES

5)DEMANDING MORE INFO

 

and by the way, R* only released

 

ONE trailer

10 screenshots

VERY basic info

[Sgt. Foley]

everywhere i go, facebook, twitter, official rockstar site,...people are demanding gta v.

i have never seen something like that. rockstar didn't get pressured this much when it was vice city, san andreas or gta 4 or episodes from liberty city.

 

why is everyone THIS mad for gta 5? rockstar releases news for upcoming multiplayer events in red dead redemption, gta 4 and max payne 3 but the majority of people ignores that and keeps demanding gta 5.

They weren't pressured cause there was no Facebook or Twitter in 2001-2003...

[zticky]

cause their marketing strategy is awsome , they should reward these forums

[roykev3]

yeah I didn't eat since the trailer

[wwinterj]

To drop a trailer, then disappear for months on end.....that caused them the problems, it isn't just impatient little 11yo's. All I want is a release date, nothing more. But if we get more then it should be in a timely manner, NOT "few weeks" = months on end. Some people don't like to be lied to or jerked around. I ask you, can you respect a liar or someone who leads you on purposely? Will I buy V day one? You know I will, but will I still hold R* on the pedestal that I once put them on? We shall see, I guess.

I agree with this completely. Using the bait and switch tactic when releasing the first trailer wasn't cool and if they had not done that then folk wouldn't be how they are now. It's completely stupid that they say one thing and do another just because they know they can.

If they had nothing to show then they should have kept it shut in the first place.

[Andreas]

I ask you, can you respect a liar or someone who leads you on purposely? Will I buy V day one? You know I will, but will I still hold R* on the pedestal that I once put them on? We shall see, I guess.

I learnt a lot during these months of info drought. I learnt to be patient and I learnt that I can't have everything what I want and when I want. I learnt all these great things just because Rockstar used a strategy that is completely different to any companies strategy. They have even earned respect from me for doing this. I don't say that there aren't any mistakes in this strategy but I think it's so much better than for example Activision with their "gameplay-trailers" which is the worst form of "information". I don't want to see how somebody play this game because I want to play and experience it by myself. That Rockstar didn't announce the release date was because they wanted to have flexibility. They develope this great game just because of us. They aren't like EA or Activision which milk everything out of their franchises. Rockstar put effort into their games. The quality is true and the details are incredible. They are probably even the only company that plays their games together with their fans online on the multiplayer (in this case Socialclub). They don't behave like they are a gaming company. They act like their fans are their buddies. Once the game is out I will forgot about the months of info drought and all the "suffer" because I play a another master-piece of Rockstar. I don't have to know anything from their games because I know it's from Rockstar so it's a masterpiece. Rockstar Games 4 Live.

[JoeJoeMcTwist]

Wow, bunch of crying babies here.... Crying about not respecting a gaming company because "dey didn't welease a wittow twailer." Sounds pretty pathetic. Rockstar will release info when ever the hell it wants to. Its in the business of making games to ultimately make money. Marketing takes a bit of showmanship, and Rockstar's playing the magician and they sure as sh*t don't owe anything to you crying babies. It's Rockstar's choice whether and when to release info, not your god given right. Get it straight.

[HeNDo6750]

GTA V for me isn't as important in my life as it used to be. I will still buy the game, but it isn't number one on my most wanted list of games to buy

[jamieleng]

GTA V for me isn't as important in my life as it used to be. I will still buy the game, but it isn't number one on my most wanted list of games to buy

Just out of interest, what are your top three games for the next 6 months?

[HeNDo6750]

 

GTA V for me isn't as important in my life as it used to be. I will still buy the game, but it isn't number one on my most wanted list of games to buy

Just out of interest, what are your top three games for the next 6 months?

Why do you want to know. Just that GTA V isn't number one on my most wanted games list, doesn't mean you have ask

 

And there is a number of games, but not as many as there was a few years back when games were actual games

[Johan]

Well if a strategy that results in a huge amount of fans losing respect for their company is a marketing move that works brilliantly, I sure am living in a back to front world.

When the release is near then you'll love Rockstar again. Don't worry. All fans that say the lose respect for Rockstar will have respect again and even love Rockstar for making the best game that they have ever made. How did you feel after GTA IV was announced and we got 10 months absolutely nothing? GTA V was announced and we had a trailer within a week. GTA IV was announced with a little logo and a release date that was originally 17 months away, then delayed by another 6 months.

No. Sometimes, once respect is lost, it's hard to gain back. All GTA's before had reasonable marketing and didn't starve people to the point of breaking. R* had the marketing right and strung people along----kept people talking in a different/constructive way than this destructive thing that is going down. Everything was fine before, but whoever at R* that came up with this new approach doesn't care about the fans, a lot of people have had enough of the games and just want a release date.

 

To drop a trailer, then disappear for months on end.....that caused them the problems, it isn't just impatient little 11yo's. All I want is a release date, nothing more. But if we get more then it should be in a timely manner, NOT "few weeks" = months on end. Some people don't like to be lied to or jerked around. I ask you, can you respect a liar or someone who leads you on purposely? Will I buy V day one? You know I will, but will I still hold R* on the pedestal that I once put them on? We shall see, I guess.

Agreed man, after V releases I won't be looking at Rockstar the same way I was when GTA V was announced or when they released their past games including RDR and Max Payne 3. I just look at them as that company that lost my fanboyism (not a word but you know what I mean)

 

I'll also get the game and I'll love it but like I said, this kind of marketing made me realize what the people at Rockstar are really like behind the curtains

[jamieleng]

GTA V for me isn't as important in my life as it used to be. I will still buy the game, but it isn't number one on my most wanted list of games to buy

Just out of interest, what are your top three games for the next 6 months?

Why do you want to know. Just that GTA V isn't number one on my most wanted games list, doesn't mean you have ask

 

And there is a number of games, but not as many as there was a few years back when games were actual games

I was only being friendly, just wanted to know what games you're in to. No need to get all defensive.

[r0eladn]

GTA V for me isn't as important in my life as it used to be. I will still buy the game, but it isn't number one on my most wanted list of games to buy

Just out of interest, what are your top three games for the next 6 months?

Why do you want to know. Just that GTA V isn't number one on my most wanted games list, doesn't mean you have ask

 

And there is a number of games, but not as many as there was a few years back when games were actual games

I was only being friendly, just wanted to know what games you're in to. No need to get all defensive.

I was curious as well. I guess his games are a too private matter

[Want Butter With That?]

Because people on this site are f*cking stupid and impatient. That's why.

'People on this site' includes you, smart ass.

He didn't say everybody on the site, just people, so that could mean anything... He implied that it was a large group of people and you tried to be the funny grammar nazi...

 

Hate those people.

[neo92boi]

You know.. I keep reading how CODBOII will sell more than GTA V and all that stuff and why R* will receive backlash for their silence...I'm coming to a realization that this drought has indeed caused some of you to become either defensive, and aggressive from your psychological pain in the interim of this wait...Its becoming a little scary how some of you are sounding actually convincing in your disdain for R* and GTA V now because of this silence....So lets talk logic..

 

 

First off right off the bat yes COD will more than likely sell more or in a more unlikely case almost even with V, AS OF RIGHT NOW AND RIGHT NOW ONLY. The reason for this is simple, COD is annular and everyone who has a PS3 or 360 knows of it and has more than likley played it. Even people who dont know gaming that well , know COD. COD is almost just as well known as Mario, Sonic, Link, Halo, purely for the fact that its basically the only thing played on a massive level aside from War Craft and other MMO's, on the home console.

 

That being said COD has plateaued and GTA hasn't. When November hits the masses will arrive at Gamestop to either acquire Halo 4 or COD BOII and that'll be it. The games will be played and they will have sold more than its predecessor. There is no hype to COD as of right now and Halo 4 has a mild level on the hypo'meter right now. But here is where things get interesting..At least 80-90% of the video gaming world is aware of GTA V , about 75-80% care about it, and have been talking about it, and at least 25-30% of people that are out of the loop know or have found out about GTA V whilst almost 100% of all three know about BOII and H4. As of right now if GTA V were to be sold with out any more knowledge than we have now it would still sell on par with H4 and a fraction of BOII...thats saying something....

 

The minute GTA V's release date and general info is released a wave of twitter mentions, youtube views, google search hits, and pre orders will cripple the media. Pre-orders will blow Gamestop and TTwo out of the f*cking water. GTA is the only video game aside from Half Life 2 and Last Guardian ( and they pale in comparison now) that has been mentioned and talked about more than its been talked about in general. As this happens your hatred for R*'s silence not only will but MUST fly out the window.

 

We will be the driving force for creating a new wave of thought and consumption for the video game industry. Us GTA fans will be the cause of a major uprising in how the marketing of games will be handled from here on out due to R*'s Einstein like model. Think about it the 80-95% of us that knows it will go to 100%, the 75-80% that care about will grow to 90-98%, and heres THE BIG KAHUNA, The 25-30% that didnt know dick will become sheep and will join the masses shooting it to at least 75-90% of the general public knowing about it. Thus making people who care about in literal terms grow exponentially.

 

GTA V mark my words will be THE ONLY GAME TALKED ABOUT after we get the release date and info. If you go back to

Early 2012 # mentions, GTA V was trending with the likes of The Avengers, The dark Knight Rises, Super Bowl, and NBA season, and the coming Summer Olympics.

 

Just look at this forum...look how sad it is, look how boring IGN is, look how everything is so HO HUM even with the Wii U, Halo 4, DMC, NBA 2k13, Resident Evil 6, Assassins Creed III and many more coming. Do you Realize that all changes once GTA V is talked about. GTA V has so much power it even kinda snuffed the almighty trailer for MGS GZ's in a way.

 

So basically guys at the end of it all , You know once the drought is over , and R* dishes the goods all this will be forgotten, it will always be with us and we'll pat our self's on the back for getting through it, and your pain will be eclipsed by excitement.

 

 

In a graphic way. COD could move a mile and cause waves to move, MGS GZ's at this point along with Watch Dogs, and Last Of Us could move feet and the ground would crack beneath them.

 

 

 

GTA V could move a centimeter and the state of California would split...

[Meezarawcks]

Release dates....screenshots....regular updates....etc etc etc...

 

Say whatever the true constant in all this is the games. No matter how long I have had to wait for a GTA game at the end it always seems to be worth it. So I do not expect anything different this time.

[wwinterj]

 

GTA V for me isn't as important in my life as it used to be. I will still buy the game, but it isn't number one on my most wanted list of games to buy

I second this. At the moment Assassin's Creed 3, WWE 13, Hitman: Absolution, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royal, DMC: Devil May Cry, Bioshock Infinite and maybe God of War: Ascension all will come out before GTA V and for this reason are above GTA V on my list.

 

Once the release date of GTA V comes closer it obviously will climb up the ladder but right now it hasn't even taken the first step and won't until we know a release date. I can't and won't get hyped about a game that I have no idea when it will be out. Sure GTA V will be better than all those on my list but the fact that I will be playing them within the next 6 months gets my attention more. I can't say the same about GTA V.

Edited September 16, 2012 by wwinterj

[HeNDo6750]

 

GTA V for me isn't as important in my life as it used to be. I will still buy the game, but it isn't number one on my most wanted list of games to buy

Just out of interest, what are your top three games for the next 6 months?

Why do you want to know. Just that GTA V isn't number one on my most wanted games list, doesn't mean you have ask

 

And there is a number of games, but not as many as there was a few years back when games were actual games

I was only being friendly, just wanted to know what games you're in to. No need to get all defensive.

Sorry about that, i didn't mean to get defensive. These days games are not the same as before. So my top 3 has to be Star Wars 1313, Playstation All Star Battle Royale and GTA V, nothing else

[jamieleng]

@HeNDo6750

 

That's alright. Gaming isn't what it used to be, the more money that's at stake the less exciting gaming has become. Quality over quantity, that's why the GTA franchise has endured.

[Colonel_Buttfuck]

Look at it from a business angle. With Rockstar being the producer of the product (the product being GTA V) and us being the people who have ordered the product (in a way we really are, since we are the fans they make money from)

 

It's only natural for people interested in the production of the product to question why it's taking so long, and why so little information about the products assembly has been given to us, who have ordered the product.

 

Or maybe I just like using fancy words and sound smart, I'm not sure.