why does rockstar get pressured THIS much?

[jamieleng]

 

GTA IV was released 4 years ago, everybody is excited for a new GTA, that's why.

 

But am I going to think twice about any future R* titles? You better f*cking believe it.

You will buy GTA V, RDR 3 and Bully 2 on the release day, believe me.

Their marketing or lack thereof has nothing or very little to do with the quality & value of their games.

 

When you're playing GTA V & you come across something that blows your socks off, will you really be saying "Cool, but I wish I knew about that beforehand". We all know it will release within 6 months, there is tons of circumstantial evidence for that.

[Smith John]

GTA IV was released 4 years ago, everybody is excited for a new GTA, that's why.

 

But am I going to think twice about any future R* titles? You better f*cking believe it.

You will buy GTA V, RDR 3 and Bully 2 on the release day, believe me.

I already stated I'm going to purchase V. Learn to read for f*ck sake...

 

Bully? Couldn't give 2 f*cks about that game.

 

RDR 3? Yes I will buy that game - pre-owned.

 

Now take your mind-reading skills else where.

 

 

@Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian

 

When IV was announced, their wassn't nearly as much info as what we got this time around, not to mention the lack of a trailer, so it wasn't something as exciting to the extent the V announcement was.

[theworldfamous]

@theworldfamous: I remain unconvinced this is any strategy tbh. I think it points to internal delay, and perhaps there wasnt too much of a backup plan marketing-wise. Maybe October was the original release month, and something went amiss, and shunted the marketing plans into next year.

That's also very plausible.. but both TTWO and Rockstar have made statements that could be regarded as indicating they are going for short, explosive, viral-driven, campaign.

 

 

It's not that delaying information is a problem for retail. It's that we tailor the information we divulge to enhancing retail. So our announcement about upcoming schedules is obviously a conjunction of our desire to be transparent and our desire to do what's right for the title. But obviously, we wouldn't be in a position where we would be delaying information at the peril of the release. On the contrary, we schedule the information to enhance the quality of the release.

 

-Strauss Zelnick during the last conference call.

What is it supposed to mean? If he's just evading the question here, he has a messy way of doing so.

 

 

[Johan]

Because the game was announced a year ago (almost a full year) and all they do is keep marketing a game that flopped hard or filler GTA V with some GTAProblem articles or giveaways and of course some events.

[wwinterj]

 

rockstar didn't get pressured this much when it was vice city, san andreas or gta 4 or episodes from liberty city.

With Vice City and San Andreas the internet wasn't as popular. Folk was excited but less vocal as they didn't have the internet. Just as it is now when not on the internet folk didn't demand/ don't demand GTA V. As for GTA IV and EFLC there was enough information coming out for people to know what was going on so there wasn't any need to demand information.

 

Not sure about yourself but most of my mates in life or people in general in life don't talk about GTA V much at all. It's only on the internet that folk demand stuff and seem more vocal as a lot of folk have the internet now.

Edited September 16, 2012 by wwinterj

[Dutch Psycho]

Because with Vice City, San Andreas and IV, there wasn't a trailer followed by nothing but a few measly screens for almost a YEAR.

I remember the first screenshot of gta sa with cj.i was so hyped,exactly the same hype as im with v.

Everyday checking on the internet hoping for news.and the waiting was just as hard as now.

[kudoboi]

because social networks werent so huge back then

[meson1]

I think the difference this time is that we don't have a release date. With previous GTAs they told us the release date early on. So info or not, we knew how long we had to wait and we knew that any info or marketing would mostly occur in the 3-6 months leading up to release.

 

This is different. No release date means no frame of reference for the timing of any info either. So it's hard to relate what little information we have so far to how much we can expect to get running up to release. Especially with their having said that they aren't supposed to be disclosing as much as they have for previous instalments.

 

So this has left people a little lost because it's impossible to work out where we are in the process. That results in frustration, paranoia and silly theories as people try to rationalise what's happening. The result is consumer pressure on Rockstar.

[Spider-Vice]

Oh I'm patient and still hyped, and now I said this and 32487432 people will jump on me saying I'm riding R*'s dick. No, I'm not, I'm just being patient like a normal GTA fan because I know Rockstar will impress us with GTA V. No fanboyism or anything, I'm not saying this marketing strategy is the best, maybe it's crap, maybe R* is falling apart, what the f*cking ever, they will know what they're doing inside. I believe all they want to do is spoil nothing about the game, but show some stuff from time to time while it's in development. If they aren't ready with the planned part, they just can't release it. GTA IV got an announcement and a trailer basically an year after, they showed IV a lot because it was their first PS3/360 game using a brand new engine, they had to show people what it was. Now we all know what they can do, we just have to wait, I'm sure they'll impress us. It's Rockstar and no I'm not saying this because "I'm a fanboy", as I already explained.

 

2 cents.

[B_E_N_1992]

Because people on this site are f*cking stupid and impatient. That's why.

'People on this site' includes you, smart ass.

I meant "generally speaking". Dumbass.

Cut the crap, dude. You didn't think there was going to be a backlash if you call others stupid and impatient?

 

Anyways, on topic, the reason people are so impatient this time around is because of lack of information. This wasn't the case before with SA or VC. People were getting timely updates on the game and there wasn't a lot of time between the start of the marketing campaign, regular updates (screenshots, trailers, etc.) and the game release.

I meant "generally speaking". You specifically said yourself that this site is heavily populated with impatient 11 year old kids. BTW: I'm 17 and in my 4th year of high school.

"BTW: I'm 17 and in my 4th year of high school.".....oow lol

[Romario]

I love hearing "the hype is gone" or "we'll be sticking it to Rockstar by not buying the game."

 

As if 99.9% of people on here wouldn't sell their own grandmother down the river for a copy of the game as soon as it comes out.

[neo92boi]

"Why does Rockstar Games Get Pressured?" ...Seriously... ..no 4 REAL...

 

#FACT GTA V IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME THIS GENERATION.

#Reason 1

 

#FACT ROCKSTAR GAMES HAS A LEGACY

#Reason 2

 

#FACT GTA V has over 23 million views for its trailer

 

 

#FACT GTA V has been more heavily marketed than any other game without it being marketed than any other game

 

 

 

 

 

[Hayze]

"Why does Rockstar Games Get Pressured?" ...Seriously... ..no 4 REAL...

 

#FACT GTA V IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME THIS GENERATION.

#Reason 1

 

#FACT ROCKSTAR GAMES HAS A LEGACY

#Reason 2

 

#FACT GTA V has over 23 million views for its trailer

 

 

#FACT GTA V has been more heavily marketed than any other game without it being marketed than any other game

The sick thing about that "anticipation" chart is that I'm still pretty confident GTA V will sell less across all platforms than Black Ops 2.

[r34ld34l]

"Why does Rockstar Games Get Pressured?" ...Seriously... ..no 4 REAL...

 

#FACT GTA V IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME THIS GENERATION.

#Reason 1

 

#FACT ROCKSTAR GAMES HAS A LEGACY

#Reason 2

 

#FACT GTA V has over 23 million views for its trailer

 

 

#FACT GTA V has been more heavily marketed than any other game without it being marketed than any other game 

The sick thing about that "anticipation" chart is that I'm still pretty confident GTA V will sell less across all platforms than Black Ops 2.

Nope. I will download Black Ops 2, play Single player, then delete it. I will buy GTA V, play Single player, play Multiplayer after, and some more Single player. I still play GTA IV now and then, while Modern Warfare 3 is deep in Bin. On long run, GTA V will sold better.

[Hayze]

 

"Why does Rockstar Games Get Pressured?" ...Seriously... ..no 4 REAL...

 

#FACT GTA V IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME THIS GENERATION.

#Reason 1

 

#FACT ROCKSTAR GAMES HAS A LEGACY

#Reason 2

 

#FACT GTA V has over 23 million views for its trailer

 

 

#FACT GTA V has been more heavily marketed than any other game without it being marketed than any other game 

The sick thing about that "anticipation" chart is that I'm still pretty confident GTA V will sell less across all platforms than Black Ops 2.

Nope. I will download Black Ops 2, play Single player, then delete it. I will buy GTA V, play Single player, play Multiplayer after, and some more Single player. I still play GTA IV now and then, while Modern Warfare 3 is deep in Bin. On long run, GTA V will sold better.

Lol you, by yourself, will not dictate the population. I'm probably the only person out of my friends who plays/played any GTA games yet about 7 - 10 of them already pre-ordered Black Ops 2. It's going to be the case among a lot of people. More people in this era want to play a few quick matches in an FPS here and there rather than invest hours in an open world single player game.

 

According to VGChartz, CoD: MW3 (only been out about 10 - 11 months) has sold almost 10 million more units across just PS3 and XBox 360 than GTA IV which is going on 4 years old. Same situation will happen.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Hayze

[theworldfamous]

"Why does Rockstar Games Get Pressured?" ...Seriously... ..no 4 REAL...

 

#FACT GTA V IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME THIS GENERATION.

#Reason 1

 

#FACT ROCKSTAR GAMES HAS A LEGACY

#Reason 2

 

#FACT GTA V has over 23 million views for its trailer

 

 

#FACT GTA V has been more heavily marketed than any other game without it being marketed than any other game 

The sick thing about that "anticipation" chart is that I'm still pretty confident GTA V will sell less across all platforms than Black Ops 2.

And the sick thing about that is that everybody looks at who has the biggest launch.. they forget the fact that a GTA continues to sell well when a CoD has already been long forgotten about, and that Acti spends way more on marketing CoD than Rockstar does on their entire catalogue :S.

 

Anyway.. if you want to make a comparison to CoD, you can only compare it to either Modern Warfare 1 or World At War, 13 and 11 million copies respectively. GTA IV has shipped 22 million copies, almost as much as those two combined. And nobody buys MW1 or WaW anymore.. they do still buy GTA IV and RDR. So I think when all is said and done, GTA is the more succesful series. CoD gets the better numbers at launch, but only on the back of mega-marketing budgets, mutliple studios fully dedicated to it, yearly installments and the finally it's credibility and good standing with gamers and the press. People are getting tired of CoD and military shooters in general. They haven't gotten tired of GTA yet. Acti is gonna have problems moving CoD into the next gen, rockstar won't.

[Hayze]

"Why does Rockstar Games Get Pressured?" ...Seriously... ..no 4 REAL...

 

#FACT GTA V IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME THIS GENERATION.

#Reason 1

 

#FACT ROCKSTAR GAMES HAS A LEGACY

#Reason 2

 

#FACT GTA V has over 23 million views for its trailer

 

 

#FACT GTA V has been more heavily marketed than any other game without it being marketed than any other game 

The sick thing about that "anticipation" chart is that I'm still pretty confident GTA V will sell less across all platforms than Black Ops 2.

And the sick thing about that is that everybody looks at who has the biggest launch.. they forget the fact that a GTA continues to sell well when a CoD has already been long forgotten about, and that Acti spends way more on marketing CoD than Rockstar does on their entire catalogue :S.

 

Anyway.. if you want to make a comparison to CoD, you can only compare it to either Modern Warfare 1 or World At War, 13 and 11 million copies respectively. GTA IV has shipped 22 million copies, almost as much as those two combined. And nobody buys MW1 or WaW anymore.. they do still buy GTA IV and RDR. So I think when all is said and done, GTA is the more succesful series. CoD gets the better numbers at launch, but only on the back of mega-marketing budgets, mutliple studios fully dedicated to it, yearly installments and the finally it's credibility and good standing with gamers and the press. People are getting tired of CoD and military shooters in general. They haven't gotten tired of GTA yet. Acti is gonna have problems moving CoD into the next gen, rockstar won't.

It's not about getting tired of GTA. We're in an ADD/ADHD FPS loving gaming era. More people would like to get in a few quick FPS matches with friends than invest hours in a single player open world game at a time.

[wwinterj]

It's not about getting tired of GTA. We're in an ADD/ADHD FPS loving gaming era. More people would like to get in a few quick FPS matches with friends than invest hours in a single player open world game at a time.

GTA V and IV both have online though I understand where you are coming from. It seems most people these days are happy with crappy games.

[huevos_benedicto_180]

Because people on this site are f*cking stupid and impatient. That's why.

Yeah, basically. There are many exceptions, of course.

[matajuegos]

Because people on this site are f*cking stupid and impatient. That's why.

'People on this site' includes you, smart ass.

I meant "generally speaking". Dumbass.

Cut the crap, dude. You didn't think there was going to be a backlash if you call others stupid and impatient?

 

Anyways, on topic, the reason people are so impatient this time around is because of lack of information. This wasn't the case before with SA or VC. People were getting timely updates on the game and there wasn't a lot of time between the start of the marketing campaign, regular updates (screenshots, trailers, etc.) and the game release.

I meant "generally speaking". You specifically said yourself that this site is heavily populated with impatient 11 year old kids. BTW: I'm 17 and in my 4th year of high school.

This says it all...

 

 

OT: Yes, Rockstar didn't have so many impatient fans, but you have to remember that if it is good, there will be more peole, like a drug addict discovering a new drug, you'll want more and more in less time

[Zee]

"Why does Rockstar Games Get Pressured?" ...Seriously... ..no 4 REAL...

 

#FACT GTA V IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME THIS GENERATION.

#Reason 1

 

#FACT ROCKSTAR GAMES HAS A LEGACY

#Reason 2

 

#FACT GTA V has over 23 million views for its trailer

 

 

#FACT GTA V has been more heavily marketed than any other game without it being marketed than any other game 

The sick thing about that "anticipation" chart is that I'm still pretty confident GTA V will sell less across all platforms than Black Ops 2.

And the sick thing about that is that everybody looks at who has the biggest launch.. they forget the fact that a GTA continues to sell well when a CoD has already been long forgotten about, and that Acti spends way more on marketing CoD than Rockstar does on their entire catalogue :S.

 

Anyway.. if you want to make a comparison to CoD, you can only compare it to either Modern Warfare 1 or World At War, 13 and 11 million copies respectively. GTA IV has shipped 22 million copies, almost as much as those two combined. And nobody buys MW1 or WaW anymore.. they do still buy GTA IV and RDR. So I think when all is said and done, GTA is the more succesful series. CoD gets the better numbers at launch, but only on the back of mega-marketing budgets, mutliple studios fully dedicated to it, yearly installments and the finally it's credibility and good standing with gamers and the press. People are getting tired of CoD and military shooters in general. They haven't gotten tired of GTA yet. Acti is gonna have problems moving CoD into the next gen, rockstar won't.

Yeahh, about that.

 

 

 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/gta-episodes-...oct-nov-6242842

 

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/...rd-Known-to-Man

 

EFLC barely sold 160k copies when it came out. MW3 broke world records in sales when it came out.

 

Also, get rid of that Hunter S Thompson avatar. Hunter S. Thompson would not be cheerleading a marketing campeign on an internet forum. He'd be on the side saying "f*ck these corporate bastards!" .

[Johan]

It's not about getting tired of GTA. We're in an ADD/ADHD FPS loving gaming era. More people would like to get in a few quick FPS matches with friends than invest hours in a single player open world game at a time.

GTA V and IV both have online though I understand where you are coming from. It seems most people these days are happy with crappy games.

Everyone has their own opinions on the COD franchise, I don't like it nor hate it but I do have fun with it to waste some time.. even when it pisses me off. But yes I'm 99% sure it will sell more than V whether it's Black Ops 2 or whichever Infinity Ward decides to release next year

[wwinterj]

Everyone has their own opinions on the COD franchise, I don't like it nor hate it but I do have fun with it to waste some time.. even when it pisses me off. But yes I'm 99% sure it will sell more than V whether it's Black Ops 2 or whichever Infinity Ward decides to release next year

Agreed. I'm not a fan and my brother owns only two of them Not worth the time and money to me personally but it will sell a lot as it does every year. Why? I'm not sure because it's far from great but each to there own I suppose.

[loki18760]

EFLC barely sold 160k copies when it came out. MW3 broke world records in sales when it came out.

 

You comparing DLC to a full game there bud... Without GTA-4 the EFLC is pointless.

[Andreas]

 

Yeahh, about that.

 

 

 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/gta-episodes-...oct-nov-6242842

 

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/...rd-Known-to-Man

 

EFLC barely sold 160k copies when it came out. MW3 broke world records in sales when it came out.

 

Also, get rid of that Hunter S Thompson avatar. Hunter S. Thompson would not be cheerleading a marketing campeign on an internet forum. He'd be on the side saying "f*ck these corporate bastards!" .

Zee, this comparison is pathetic. No offence. GTA EfLC consists TLaD and TBoGT. These two DLCs were first of all XBox360 exclusives for a certain ammount of time. GTA EfLC came out after TLaD and TBoGT were released and then it was released for all platforms. I think it's more than clear that the sales won't be outstanding like GTA IV's one. That were just DLCs and not a full new game. Your comparison is just not fair, buddy.

 

You want a fair comparison? Look here: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1061688679

Edited September 16, 2012 by Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian

[Hayze]

Yeahh, about that.

 

 

 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/gta-episodes-...oct-nov-6242842

 

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/...rd-Known-to-Man

 

EFLC barely sold 160k copies when it came out. MW3 broke world records in sales when it came out.

 

Also, get rid of that Hunter S Thompson avatar. Hunter S. Thompson would not be cheerleading a marketing campeign on an internet forum. He'd be on the side saying "f*ck these corporate bastards!" .

Zee, this comparison is pathetic. No offence. GTA EfLC consists TLaD and TBoGT. These two DLCs were first of all XBox360 exclusives for a certain ammount of time. GTA EfLC came out after TLaD and TBoGT were released and then it was released for all platforms. I think it's more than clear that the sales won't be outstanding like GTA IV's one. That were just DLCs and not a full new game. Your comparison is just not fair, buddy.

What about my comparison of how CoD: MW3 (only out about 10 months) has sold more than GTA IV (out almost 4 years)?

[Zee]

I seem to recall some fools on here trying to say EFLC were "ne games" that R* had made and thats why there was such a delay for gta5 lol (implying that EFLC needed as much time to be worked on as a full GTA game lol)

[Hayze]

I think the bottom line is for GTA V to sell as big as a CoD game (to match that apparent most anticipated claim) it better start marketing towards players and people who aren't already GTA fans. The casual gamer will get CoD but the casual gamer might not even know GTA V is coming out.

[CookPassBabtridge]

I think the bottom line is for GTA V to sell as big as a CoD game (to match that apparent most anticipated claim) it better start marketing towards players and people who aren't already GTA fans. The casual gamer will get CoD but the casual gamer might not even know GTA V is coming out.

Totally right. People on here are convinced silence is the 'new thang', when in fact if it carries on too long it will be detrimental to sales.

[Andreas]

 

What about my comparison of how CoD: MW3 (only out about 10 months) has sold more than GTA IV (out almost 4 years)?

That isn't a fair comparison either. GTA IV was released when they weren't much consoles on the market. Today there are more than 4 times more consoles than back in 2008. Lets say half of them were just bought because the old ones were broken (that's even a unrealistic case!) then it would mean that today there are 2 times more consoles than back in 2008. THIS is the reason why Modern Warfare 3 sold more copies than GTA IV. If I consider all this then I think GTA V will sell better than CoD MW3.

 

@CookPassBabtridge: Don't worry. You'll get your marketing campaign. Just don't expect that Rockstar will reveal 50% of the game like they did with GTA IV!