Ash_735 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Naughty Dog’s Jason Rubin accused them of the equivalent of “selling cigarettes to kids”. So f*ck 'em. They knew GTA will have HUGE potential. Couldn't take it they were still making Crash Bandicoot crash bandicoot > gta. any day. You talking Old Crash Bandicoot or New Crash Bandicoot? old. both amazing games (gta, crash), but crash takes it for me via nostalgia. The Old's are great, 1 - 3 are just such brilliant games and I still play them to this day, same with Classic Sonic games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deffpony Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Naughty Dog’s Jason Rubin accused them of the equivalent of “selling cigarettes to kids”. So f*ck 'em. They knew GTA will have HUGE potential. Couldn't take it they were still making Crash Bandicoot crash bandicoot > gta. any day. You talking Old Crash Bandicoot or New Crash Bandicoot? old. both amazing games (gta, crash), but crash takes it for me via nostalgia. The Old's are great, 1 - 3 are just such brilliant games and I still play them to this day, same with Classic Sonic games. While I will agree that the the original Sonics(1-3) and The original Crash games are awesome, comparing them to GTA is like apples to dinasaurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Naughty Dog’s Jason Rubin accused them of the equivalent of “selling cigarettes to kids”. So f*ck 'em. They knew GTA will have HUGE potential. Couldn't take it they were still making Crash Bandicoot crash bandicoot > gta. any day. You talking Old Crash Bandicoot or New Crash Bandicoot? old. both amazing games (gta, crash), but crash takes it for me via nostalgia. The Old's are great, 1 - 3 are just such brilliant games and I still play them to this day, same with Classic Sonic games. While I will agree that the the original Sonics(1-3) and The original Crash games are awesome, comparing them to GTA is like apples to dinasaurs Well, yeah, duh, GTA never was and never will be a platformer game, but you know how this forum is, GTA PWN ALL DA GAMES CUZ GTA DA BEST, I'm sure the Crash Bandicoot > GTA comment is a jab at most other people in this section who think GTA rule over anything and most likely they've never even played the other games. Can't wait for a thread that compares Forza to GTA V! Makes about as much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean5 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Naughty Dog’s Jason Rubin accused them of the equivalent of “selling cigarettes to kids”. So f*ck 'em. They knew GTA will have HUGE potential. Couldn't take it they were still making Crash Bandicoot crash bandicoot > gta. any day. You talking Old Crash Bandicoot or New Crash Bandicoot? old. both amazing games (gta, crash), but crash takes it for me via nostalgia. The Old's are great, 1 - 3 are just such brilliant games and I still play them to this day, same with Classic Sonic games. While I will agree that the the original Sonics(1-3) and The original Crash games are awesome, comparing them to GTA is like apples to dinasaurs Well, yeah, duh, GTA never was and never will be a platformer game, but you know how this forum is, GTA PWN ALL DA GAMES CUZ GTA DA BEST, I'm sure the Crash Bandicoot > GTA comment is a jab at most other people in this section who think GTA rule over anything and most likely they've never even played the other games. Can't wait for a thread that compares Forza to GTA V! Makes about as much sense. Your douchebaggery exceeds the legal limit. Just because he goes against your nostalgic thoughts you start trying to say he types like a 5 year old. GTA is better than crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakerhead. Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Naughty Dog’s Jason Rubin accused them of the equivalent of “selling cigarettes to kids”. So f*ck 'em. They knew GTA will have HUGE potential. Couldn't take it they were still making Crash Bandicoot crash bandicoot > gta. any day. You talking Old Crash Bandicoot or New Crash Bandicoot? old. both amazing games (gta, crash), but crash takes it for me via nostalgia. The Old's are great, 1 - 3 are just such brilliant games and I still play them to this day, same with Classic Sonic games. While I will agree that the the original Sonics(1-3) and The original Crash games are awesome, comparing them to GTA is like apples to dinasaurs Well, yeah, duh, GTA never was and never will be a platformer game, but you know how this forum is, GTA PWN ALL DA GAMES CUZ GTA DA BEST, I'm sure the Crash Bandicoot > GTA comment is a jab at most other people in this section who think GTA rule over anything and most likely they've never even played the other games. Can't wait for a thread that compares Forza to GTA V! Makes about as much sense. Your douchebaggery exceeds the legal limit. Just because he goes against your nostalgic thoughts you start trying to say he types like a 5 year old. GTA is better than crash. I think the Nostalogia(sp?) has over-taken some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Naughty Dog’s Jason Rubin accused them of the equivalent of “selling cigarettes to kids”. So f*ck 'em. They knew GTA will have HUGE potential. Couldn't take it they were still making Crash Bandicoot crash bandicoot > gta. any day. You talking Old Crash Bandicoot or New Crash Bandicoot? old. both amazing games (gta, crash), but crash takes it for me via nostalgia. The Old's are great, 1 - 3 are just such brilliant games and I still play them to this day, same with Classic Sonic games. While I will agree that the the original Sonics(1-3) and The original Crash games are awesome, comparing them to GTA is like apples to dinasaurs Well, yeah, duh, GTA never was and never will be a platformer game, but you know how this forum is, GTA PWN ALL DA GAMES CUZ GTA DA BEST, I'm sure the Crash Bandicoot > GTA comment is a jab at most other people in this section who think GTA rule over anything and most likely they've never even played the other games. Can't wait for a thread that compares Forza to GTA V! Makes about as much sense. Your douchebaggery exceeds the legal limit. Just because he goes against your nostalgic thoughts you start trying to say he types like a 5 year old. GTA is better than crash. Pssst, I'm not the one who mentioned the Nostalgia comment, that was the other guy. Learn to Read. And yes, I am a bit of an Ass in this section because you're all batsh*t bonkers! There's only so much time you can go along being nice before you realise it just isn't working and the majority here day and night are just rabid fanboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 The Last of Us has an open 2013 release date. Not sure where you got quarter 2 from, but it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gardener Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Has naughty dog ever broke 1 day sales? Or even have a game that has sold 30 million copies? Think that answers your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Has naughty dog ever broke 1 day sales? Or even have a game that has sold 30 million copies? Think that answers your question. If Sales count, then Call of Duty is the best thing ever and Twilight is one of the best films of all time. Of course you're disregarding all the awards, etc, because Naughty Dog have got plenty of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gardener Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Has naughty dog ever broke 1 day sales? Or even have a game that has sold 30 million copies? Think that answers your question. If Sales count, then Call of Duty is the best thing ever and Twilight is one of the best films of all time. Of course you're disregarding all the awards, etc, because Naughty Dog have got plenty of those. Marketing doesn't win you awards. Marketing wins you sales. You don't judge a games marketing by the awards it gets, you judge it on its sales. I never said Naughty Dog were bad in anyway, their games are great, far better than CoD imo. But I was arguing about the marketing not the quality of the actual game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig10 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I have to admit to being a trifle jealous of fans of other titles. I played Uncharted a bit, didn't really get into it so much - very linear. "The Last Of Us" - Naughty Dog's next title - is interesting in a couple of ways. First, I think it totally puts paid to the "GTAV on Next Gen" debate: it's going to ship Q2 2013, and it's a Playstation 3 exclusive. Not only does it look incredible (better than GTA, IMHO) but Sony are spending the money on a key PS3 title when they should be thinking about launch titles (it's well known PS4 stuff is well underway already). What really gets me is the amount of information out about it; proper game play trailers and story information, and I find the whole thing pretty exciting. R*, on the other hand, has totally gone in the other direction - GTA V is supposed to launch before TLOS, and we don't even have a storyline, let alone official game play. They've probably been in dev about the same amount of time - GTA V probably longer - but the approach is 180' different. I wonder if R* are really doing this in the right way. GTA is always going to be exciting - but it does feel like they're missing some tricks here. Maybe they are missing some things about the gaming engine, the new frostbite 2 and the anvilnext seem to have taken a big leap, in the end the true fans only want to feel the GTA feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwinterj Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I am a bit of an Ass in this section because you're all batsh*t bonkers! Why yes, yes we are. I do see your point though. GTA isn't the be all and end all of gaming. However you are on a GTA forum so saying anything bad against it is like throwing gasoline into a fire. The fanboys will rage and rage hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral_City Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 f*ck Naughty Dog. I remember reading in Jacked: The Story of Grand Theft Auto that the head of Naughty Dog talked massive sh*t about GTAIII before it came out. Crash Bandicoot says f*ck you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidamelo Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 f*ck Naughty Dog. I remember reading in Jacked: The Story of Grand Theft Auto that the head of Naughty Dog talked massive sh*t about GTAIII before it came out. Crash Bandicoot says f*ck you really??? SO I HATE NAUGHTY DOG NOW!!! They were jealous of GTA III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafMetal Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Apples and oranges. Rockstar behaves like, well, a rockstar. They have a pre-established HUGE and loyal fanbase that extends to all systems, and they make what is arguably the most popular and innovative game series out there. Naughty Dog, on the other hand, is a system-exclusive developer who just recently started innovating, and, because of that, do not have the popularity that Rockstar does, and thus can't do the rockstar act. If Naughty Dog tried doing the same marketing strategy, not only would Sony go berserk, but their product would most likely flop. Rockstar could always go the Red Dead Redemption route and release good amounts of information, but why would they? the current marketing is pure genius: little to no cost, it has people speculating like crazy, and everyone goes insane when any tiny bit of info is released. It's like the old Rockefeller tactic in which he lowered the price of his gas so low that the competitors went bankrupt trying to compete, then he bought them all out and raised prices to whatever he pleased. He was able to do this purely because he had the resources; same goes for Rockstar, just replace money with popularity. Regardless of tactics, though, they're both equally brilliant developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msharingan Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Has naughty dog ever broke 1 day sales? Or even have a game that has sold 30 million copies? Think that answers your question. Naughty Dog's games aren't intended to sell in of themselves. They are meant to sell the systems (Playstation hardware). GTA V will obviously out sell the Last of Us, if only because it will be on significantly more platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meno Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 What is Naughty Dog? Never heard of them before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsrow Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 That's like saying that if the Coca Cola company brings out a new drink they should stop advertising Coke Classic. New Coke. 1985. "Marketing blunder of the century" Maybe Rockstar is trying to top Coca Cola's accomplishment with their GTAV campaign. They are off to a good start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meekail Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 R* > Naughty Dog IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriaan Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 That's like saying that if the Coca Cola company brings out a new drink they should stop advertising Coke Classic. New Coke. 1985. "Marketing blunder of the century" Maybe Rockstar is trying to top Coca Cola's accomplishment with their GTAV campaign. They are off to a good start... Haha. Yeah, I remember watching a documentary on the company and hearing about all that. Fun fact: My grandmother worked in Quality Assurance for Coke at one point. So she tested Coke . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theworldfamous Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 but Sony are spending the money on a key PS3 title when they should be thinking about launch titles (it's well known PS4 stuff is well underway already). So because they have new hardware coming up they should ignore an established platform? That's like saying that if the Coca Cola company brings out a new drink they should stop advertising Coke Classic. Anyway, yeah, it's quite clear what the differential is: GTAV is a highly anticipated game that gets a lot of excitement even when all it had was a logo. It was trending on twitter globally just because of a logo. Whereas The Last of Us is a new IP that not only needs promotion, but the company needs to talk more about it and give consumers a greater sense of what it's all about. Rockstar does the same with games like L.A. Noire or Red Dead Redemption when you have a game that cost around 100 million dollars to develop and there's absolutely no guarantee that people will just buy it if you release it... so hence more satiated marketing. this.. everybody and their mom knows about GTA and what to expect. It isn't one of the longest running triple AAA franchises in the industry and Rockstar have never been given to reveal too much about. If anything, they've been unusually generous so far. One whole trailer and 12 screens.. that's a lot in Rockstar terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 What is Naughty Dog? Never heard of them before. You must live a very sheltered gaming life. I feel sorry for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The__Phoenix Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 That's like saying that if the Coca Cola company brings out a new drink they should stop advertising Coke Classic. New Coke. 1985. "Marketing blunder of the century" Maybe Rockstar is trying to top Coca Cola's accomplishment with their GTAV campaign. They are off to a good start... That´s not unreasonable at all. The Coca cola marketing approach has some fascinating derivations that deserve to be studied by all companies,even if the business field is pretty different. You have two examples here. http://www.outofmygord.com/archive/2008/12...than-Taste.aspx http://www.g-cem.org/eng/content_details.j...3&subjectid=101 OT-Naughty dogs can be considered as a Sony´s internal studio,and the problem for them is that Sony has too many internal studios so the marketing money is spread to too thin(R* is a giant in comparison) . Also,Naughty dogs has not a good management of marketing times,Uncharted 3 was an amazing game, but the crunch (where R* have true mastery) on Uncharted 3 was horrible and it was bad on Uncharted 2 as well, so sales were less than expected. ND makes great games but they are not at the height in marketing terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theworldfamous Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 That's like saying that if the Coca Cola company brings out a new drink they should stop advertising Coke Classic. New Coke. 1985. "Marketing blunder of the century" Maybe Rockstar is trying to top Coca Cola's accomplishment with their GTAV campaign. They are off to a good start... That´s not unreasonable at all. The Coca cola marketing approach has some fascinating derivations that deserve to be studied by all companies,even if the business field is pretty different. You have two examples here. http://www.outofmygord.com/archive/2008/12...than-Taste.aspx http://www.g-cem.org/eng/content_details.j...3&subjectid=101 OT-Naughty dogs can be considered as a Sony´s internal studio,and the problem for them is that Sony has too many internal studios so the marketing money is spread to too thin(R* is a giant in comparison) . Also,Naughty dogs has not a good management of marketing times,Uncharted 3 was an amazing game, but the crunch (where R* have true mastery) on Uncharted 3 was horrible and it was bad on Uncharted 2 as well, so sales were less than expected. ND makes great games but they are not at the height in marketing terms. There's another perspective you could take on that: when they reintroduced the 'old' Coke as Coca Cola Classic sales went through the roof and they put an end to the rise of Pepsi. So in the end it was very successful for them. And now they openly advertise their 'mistake', because it makes them look fallible and sympathetic (which they aren't). It was either a deliberate move or they learned a valuable lesson about crowd emotion and brand attachment and really took it to heart. Adidas did the same thing, by reintroducing the leaf-logo and putting out all the classic models again they reinvigorated the entire brand from cheap ass sportshoe to fashion item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excited_48r Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 That's like saying that if the Coca Cola company brings out a new drink they should stop advertising Coke Classic. New Coke. 1985. "Marketing blunder of the century" Maybe Rockstar is trying to top Coca Cola's accomplishment with their GTAV campaign. They are off to a good start... Haha. Yeah, I remember watching a documentary on the company and hearing about all that. Fun fact: My grandmother worked in Quality Assurance for Coke at one point. So she tested Coke . Is there a place i can download Jacked the untold story for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidx123 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 You all behave like f*cking morons. "A guy suggested that *gasp* ROCKSTAR IS NOT THE BEST CUMPUNY EVUR! LETS GO BASH ANOTHER CUMPUNY, GAIZ! NUGHTY DUG SUCKS! AND THEY TOLD GTA III SUCK! HOW DARE THEY, HURR DURR!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The__Phoenix Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Is there a place i can download Jacked the untold story for free? As far as I know you must to buy a digital or phisical copy if you want to read this book. By the way, I write in the GTAf weekly about the R* universe and last week I included and excerpt from this book. You can read more trivia about the R* universe and another sections of gtaf on the gtaf weekly.I don´t know if you guys knew it. You can subscribe and the feedback is welcome. CHECK IT OUT; http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=522419 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj2022 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Is there a place i can download Jacked the untold story for free? As far as I know you must to buy a digital or phisical copy if you want to read this book. By the way, I write in the GTAf weekly about the R* universe and last week I included and excerpt from this book. You can read more trivia about the R* universe and another sections of gtaf on the gtaf weekly.I don´t know if you guys knew it. You can subscribe and the feedback is welcome. CHECK IT OUT; http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=522419 I just finished reading it, and if you're a fan it is a brilliant read, it's a real insight into the company and game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanfire Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 They want to keep most of Gta a surprise.. Most of GTA? How about ALL of gta... we know practically nothing except its set in Los Santos. No info on protagonist, story, gameplay, multiplayer or even a release date! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman1138 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 They want to keep most of Gta a surprise.. Most of GTA? How about ALL of gta... we know practically nothing except its set in Los Santos. No info on protagonist, story, gameplay, multiplayer or even a release date! When you put it that way I get MORE excited for GTA V! Rockstar is bunch of marketing geniuses!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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