Dangerous neighborhoods in V

[JuankAirPilot]

I think the important thing is for the areas not to be as dangerous as St Marks was in III all the time, with shotgun wielding lunatics on every corner!

Lol, exactly. I mean, I don't think its that common to see groups standing on the corner with shotguns no matter how dangerous the neighborhood is. I remember the Asian gangs doing the same things with MP5's in San Fierro too.

[GarrowsKai]

I think the important thing is for the areas not to be as dangerous as St Marks was in III all the time, with shotgun wielding lunatics on every corner!

Lol, exactly. I mean, I don't think its that common to see groups standing on the corner with shotguns no matter how dangerous the neighborhood is. I remember the Asian gangs doing the same things with MP5's in San Fierro too.

Haha yeah I remember that, right between the Navy Base and main Police station as well. Just like "Yeah we're just strolling along with military grade SMGs in plain sight despite being surrounded by soldiers and cops, no biggie". Ridiculous.

[HydraulicWaRiOr]

I just saw this short film yesterday. It's a rather interesting artsy fartsy look into the hood in L.A. Also kind of strange but cool.

 

 

[JoeJoeMcTwist]

yeah some dangerous neighborhoods would be cool. Something subtle like what San Andreas had. Though there were gangs around some parts in GTAIV, unless I initiated the fight, no one would bother me.

[Markhayzy]

They should make a return! And be more realistic AND dangerous than ever. But you should only be started on by groups of thugs and then attacked, like it was in SA when you wore neutral clothes. Not just shot at when driving. I hope there's places like the hood in training day portrayed as 'the jungle' where even police are afraid to enter, this is a real life hood apparently. I would also like a respect meter so later in the game people won't even dare mess with you! Whatever we want, don't worry rockstar will deliver on this one it's gonna be the perfect gta! Just hope we get another trailer soon!

[theworldfamous]

Yeah I agree that IV lacked a sense of real danger.. things only happened if you instigated them. Having a bunch of guys jump you for punching a woman was pretty cool, but I want to see more stuff like that. It doesn't all have to be violent though. It could also be bums that hassle you for money, annoying drunk college students, punks that try to rob you but run off when you pull out a gun on them.

 

San Andreas had some cool touches with the Ballas having to spot you first and initially just intimidating and warning you..

[ultimatelizardman]

they should definately return, however they should be realistic. one way of doing it would be by introducing gang wanted levels and occasional random crimes.

 

example of a gang wanted level system:

 

1 skull: being seen in a territory controlled by a gang incurs a 1 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will threaten, insult, push and throw random crap (cans, cigarette butts, etc...) at you. if you stay still for more than 3 seconds, damage their property or attack them with less-lethal force they will attempt to beat you up.

 

2 skulls: attacking a gang member with lethal force or even being seen holding a firearm in their territory incurs a 2 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will shoot at you on sight.

 

3 skulls: resisting a gang for more than 2 in-game hours while at a 2 skull wanted level incurs a 3 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will call for backup (consisting of more heavily armed gangsters) whenever they see the PC.

 

4 skulls: killing a high-profile gang member or destroying important gang property incurs a 4 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will attack your properties and occasionally send small groups of heavily armed gang members after the PC, in an attempt to assassinate him.

 

 

[Msharingan]

If the atmosphere of Max Payne 3 can be recreated, having gangs stare at you and follow you could be really cool.

[JoeJoeMcTwist]

they should definately return, however they should be realistic. one way of doing it would be by introducing gang wanted levels and occasional random crimes.

 

example of a gang wanted level system:

 

1 skull: being seen in a territory controlled by a gang incurs a 1 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will threaten, insult, push and throw random crap (cans, cigarette butts, etc...) at you. if you stay still for more than 3 seconds, damage their property or attack them with less-lethal force they will attempt to beat you up.

 

2 skulls: attacking a gang member with lethal force or even being seen holding a firearm in their territory incurs a 2 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will shoot at you on sight.

 

3 skulls: resisting a gang for more than 2 in-game hours while at a 2 skull wanted level incurs a 3 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will call for backup (consisting of more heavily armed gangsters) whenever they see the PC.

 

4 skulls: killing a high-profile gang member or destroying important gang property incurs a 4 skull wanted level, at this level gang members will attack your properties and occasionally send small groups of heavily armed gang members after the PC, in an attempt to assassinate him.

f*ck that noise. Too much like Saints Row

[Official General]

 

In IV, no matter where you drive you don't really have to worry about ppl taking shots at you and I can't recall my car ever being stolen.

That's not entirely true. There are random moments in single player where you are attacked by people you angered. They chase you down and shoot at you.

 

I also remember once stealing an armored track with a couple Jamaican guys inside. Suddenly an SUV full of Jamaican guys pulls up and starts shooting at me.

 

I guess the reason you didn't see those III and GTA:SA shootings was because there was no real gang element in GTAIV. Let's say there is a similar type of gang system in GTAV, I don't really see it being similar in AI terms. They'd have to really spot you before starting to come at you or shoot at you. In GTA3 it was really crazy, while in GTA:SA it was updated a bit and made more realistic as you know.

@ Adriaan

 

Read the OP's statement properly, he's clearly talking about getting shot at or attacked in GTA IV without angering anybody or provoking the situation. That scenario, along with being robbed and carjacked for no reason, never happened in GTA IV or the Episodes.

 

GTA IV's near-total absence of danger in it's rough neighborhoods had nothing to do with the lack of a gang element - there were plenty of gangs in Liberty City and Alderney, they just did'nt bother you unless you bothered them. It was more likely that Rockstar were just either being lazy, or simply overlooked a very small, but important feature of the game. All they had to do was make the rough areas feel dangerous by including random gunfights, robberies, muggings etc, committed by NPCs against you and other NPCs.

Edited September 10, 2012 by Official General

[jamieleng]

If the atmosphere of Max Payne 3 can be recreated, having gangs stare at you and follow you could be really cool.

I hope those scripted moments can be translated into an open world environment, they really made you feel like a fish out of water. When they'd look you up & down, then whisper to each other. Also people closing their windows & locking their doors when trouble kicks up in their street, would really add something special.

[Adriaan]

 

@Adriaan

Read the OP's statement properly, he's clearly talking about getting shot at or attacked in GTA IV without angering anybody or provoking the situation. That scenario, along with being robbed and carjacked for no reason, never happened in GTA IV or the Episodes.

Read my entire post and don't just skim over my first sentence in the post you quoted. If you read my entire post you will clearly see that I am certainly aware what he meant. If anyone needs to read properly, it is you.

 

And actually, there are random moments in GTAIV where you actually do get randomly chased down and attacked in GTAIV. If you read the first page more, you see I talked about the Russian guys that chase you randomly down.

[jamieleng]

@Adriaan

Read the OP's statement properly, he's clearly talking about getting shot at or attacked in GTA IV without angering anybody or provoking the situation. That scenario, along with being robbed and carjacked for no reason, never happened in GTA IV or the Episodes.

Read my entire post and don't just skim over my first sentence in the post you quoted. If you read my entire post you will clearly see that I am certainly aware what he meant. If anyone needs to read properly, it is you.

 

And actually, there are random moments in GTAIV where you actually do get randomly chased down and attacked in GTAIV. If you read the first page more, you see I talked about the Russian guys that chase you randomly down.

They do attack you without provocation, if you don't move off their patch in time.

[Official General]

 

@Adriaan

Read the OP's statement properly, he's clearly talking about getting shot at or attacked in GTA IV without angering anybody or provoking the situation. That scenario, along with being robbed and carjacked for no reason, never happened in GTA IV or the Episodes.

Read my entire post and don't just skim over my first sentence in the post you quoted. If you read my entire post you will clearly see that I am certainly aware what he meant. If anyone needs to read properly, it is you.

 

And actually, there are random moments in GTAIV where you actually do get randomly chased down and attacked in GTAIV. If you read the first page more, you see I talked about the Russian guys that chase you randomly down.

They do attack you without provocation, if you don't move off their patch in time.

@ Adriaan

 

I've read your other comments. That sounds like a 0.1 percent one-off to me, the Russian guys in GTA IV will not just start chasing you to attack you unless you provoke them for 99.99 percent of the time. None of gangs in IV do this.

 

@ jamieleng

 

That is not true. I for one have never seen this, and believe me I investigated this hard. Gang members only start threatening you and telling you to get off their territory whenever you hit, push, barge or walk into them. This can be done easily by accident and the player may not even be aware he bumped into a gang member, making it seem like he is being threatened or attacked for no reason.

[Adriaan]

 

None of gangs in IV do this.

Yeah, I know that. I didn't say they do. Not exactly sure why you are coming after me with things I didn't even say. I didn't say anything untruthful or incorrect.

 

You're the one who incorrectly made assumptions about me and said I didn't read the OPs post properly and that I didn't understand what he meant. When, if you actually did read my first post fully, you will clearly see that I DID understand everything he said.

Edited September 10, 2012 by Adriaan

[Zee]

For the record, when do these Russians in SUVs come after you? I've completed the 4 story countless times and have never encountered this.

[Adriaan]

@Zee

Yep, as I've highlighted on page one, I think it depends on the outcome of a certain mission. Whether you decided to execute a certain person or not. That's why the pop-up message said something along the lines of how your decisions may have "unwanted consequences" or whatever.

 

I'll admit, it's rare. I even had, for the first time, something new happen to me when I picked up GTAIV again the other day. I jacked an armored money truck and inside was a couple Jamaican guys. Not long after, an SUV packed with other Jamaican guys comes rolling up, gets out and starts shooting at me.

Edited September 10, 2012 by Adriaan

[HaroldBreevy]

It wouldnt feel like LA if it didnt have those bad neighborhoods. So yes I say put them in the game. Im sure the game will have a fair share of good neighborhoods and bad ones, like Compton, Watts, etc.

[Coral_City]

There were dangerous neighbourhoods in IV. Remember how everyone loved how the moment you entered the Airport, all of the Police began shooting at you?

10/10 - everyone else shut the f*ck up. this response wingzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[HaroldBreevy]

There were dangerous neighbourhoods in IV.  Remember how everyone loved how the moment you entered the Airport, all of the Police began shooting at you?

10/10 - everyone else shut the f*ck up. this response wingzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What? Last time i checked an Airport isnt a neighborhood.

[J-B]

Well I know that in TBoGT sometimes if you have your gun out in AOD turf they'll tell you to put it away and if you don't they'll turn hostile but I think that was added in to put more of an emphasis on their racism.

 

The heavily gang controlled areas need to make the player feel more uncomfortable but I don't want to see the player getting shot on sight unless there's an explanation of some kind for the beef.

 

The gangs need to watch the player as they move through their turf and begin to harass them if they hang around for too long.

 

If the player draws a weapon their hostility should start to rise faster and be more deadly.

 

 

[esemonster]

i live in los angeles and every neighborhood u have a chance of being shot or robbed my varrio maywood is bad as f*ck if are enemies go in to the city they usually dont come out if random people come into the city by mistake we'll rob them fast as hell if they dont have this in los santos then rockstar didnt do their homework LA is bad right now its always been but now people are dropping left and right this year alone were i live in whittier theres been like 20 people that got killed over gang violence in my hood theres been way more so if they have it in gta v were u could walk around and not be f*cked with that isnt normal

[esemonster]

Well I know that in TBoGT sometimes if you have your gun out in AOD turf they'll tell you to put it away and if you don't they'll turn hostile but I think that was added in to put more of an emphasis on their racism.

 

The heavily gang controlled areas need to make the player feel more uncomfortable but I don't want to see the player getting shot on sight unless there's an explanation of some kind for the beef.

 

The gangs need to watch the player as they move through their turf and begin to harass them if they hang around for too long.

 

If the player draws a weapon their hostility should start to rise faster and be more deadly.

hell naw in my hood if theirs some random foo in there we would wait for a few minutes rob him and if he pulled out a gun out of nowhere forsure he would get shot cuz we'd think he's gonna shoot us you know but were in south side los angeles and it dont get no worse then us even south central foos dont come to the hood haha

[GroveStRoamer]

It would add to the realistic environment. I dont want it if the MC isnt in a gang. I Dont want to be in the middle of a mission and driving through idlewood getting shot at.

[HaroldBreevy]

Well I know that in TBoGT sometimes if you have your gun out in AOD turf they'll tell you to put it away and if you don't they'll turn hostile but I think that was added in to put more of an emphasis on their racism.

 

The heavily gang controlled areas need to make the player feel more uncomfortable but I don't want to see the player getting shot on sight unless there's an explanation of some kind for the beef.

 

The gangs need to watch the player as they move through their turf and begin to harass them if they hang around for too long.

 

If the player draws a weapon their hostility should start to rise faster and be more deadly.

hell naw in my hood if theirs some random foo in there we would wait for a few minutes rob him and if he pulled out a gun out of nowhere forsure he would get shot cuz we'd think he's gonna shoot us you know but were in south side los angeles and it dont get no worse then us even south central foos dont come to the hood haha

You're not serious right? lol Internet gangsta. I have a feeling your not the one out in streets doing stick ups.

[Immigration]

Dangerous neighborhoods are definitely a must, In IV i felt like i was the only one doing the crime.

[HDM018]

They should return, it was hilarious to see all the rioting peds in GTA 2 and it really can add to the story and immersion like in SA.

[mdniterder]

I hope bad areas do return, as long as they are NEVER like GTAIII where soon as you drive down the road they would just simply attempt to destroy you.

[Coral_City]

There were dangerous neighbourhoods in IV.  Remember how everyone loved how the moment you entered the Airport, all of the Police began shooting at you?

10/10 - everyone else shut the f*ck up. this response wingzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What? Last time i checked an Airport isnt a neighborhood.

TIS A JOKE MY GOOD LAD

[Official General]

 

None of gangs in IV do this.

Yeah, I know that. I didn't say they do. Not exactly sure why you are coming after me with things I didn't even say. I didn't say anything untruthful or incorrect.

 

You're the one who incorrectly made assumptions about me and said I didn't read the OPs post properly and that I didn't understand what he meant. When, if you actually did read my first post fully, you will clearly see that I DID understand everything he said.

@ Adriaan

 

Well to me, it sounded like you were trying to convince the OP that gangs do attack the player for no reason or without provocation. That is just how it looked to me, I was not coming at you, I was simply responding to your comments and disagreeing with them.

 

If you say you were not saying those things, then I take your word for it and I retract back on what I said earlier, simple.

 

@ HaroldBreevy

 

Just because someone talks online in internet forums, it don't mean they know nothing about street gang culture and ghetto life. I'm pretty sure that even the most hardened gang members use the internet too. You don't know the guy personally to doubt him, if that's what he says, it's what he says.