AMD optimised?

[Shoumaker]

I feel like GTA has always been optimised for Nvidia cards. So If an Nvidia card has the same performance as an Amd, It would run better in the Nvidia card. This is really annoying for AMD users. Do you guys think theyll optimise the game for both companies this time or will they be same old same old with their most ambitious game yet.

[Spider-Vice]

I don't get the Nvidia optimization sh*t to be honest, it looks the same Even runs better on my AMD, but well, it's far superior to the Nvidia I had.

[Frantz Fuchs]

I don't get the Nvidia optimization sh*t to be honest, it looks the same Even runs better on my AMD, but well, it's far superior to the Nvidia I had.

Well, it does look slightly better. Take Arkham City for example. It had very good details with the Nvidia PhysX.

[Adriaan]

Have you run GTA games on cards with the same performance from the respective brands to definitively make that comparison?

[Shoumaker]

 

It's far superior to the Nvidia I had.

 

Maybe thats why

[Spider-Vice]

Have you run GTA games on cards with the same performance from the respective brands to definitively make that comparison?

No, that's exactly why I said that. But to me it only makes sense if the game has PhysX really.

[Adriaan]

@Spider-Vice

My question was directed towards the OP.

 

 

But to me it only makes sense if the game has PhysX really.

PhysX shouldn't make a difference in whether or not you are using a card manufactured by Nvidia or AMD in that it works in the same way, irrespective of the brand of the card. It's a physics engine.

Edited September 8, 2012 by Adriaan

[Shoumaker]

Have you run GTA games on cards with the same performance from the respective brands to definitively make that comparison?

Actually yes, In all the benchmarks I saw, GTA has a higher FPS with Nvidia cards even if the Amd card is equally as powerful.

[omeromer]

The only thing I remember was GTA IV having a lot of problems with AMD cards when it was first released, but they fixed a lot of them after the GTA IV patch + AMD driver updates. (The shadows were made out of long lines instead of being solid black, that's what I remember at-least)

[Adriaan]

@shoumic

I see. Do you know what it's like for a more recent RAGE game, i.e. Max Payne 3? Is the performance more balanced now across the respective brands of cards?

[Shoumaker]

@Adriaan

 

Sure it is and I hope this is the case in V too. I just wanted to know what you guys think

[Adriaan]

Thanks for that info on Max. That certainly helps with giving a more informed thought on the matter, which is that I personally think it's highly possible that GTAV, like Max Payne 3, will support a greater variety of hardware and drivers compared to what GTAIV did initially.

 

The engine has come a long way from its earlier days.

[Shoumaker]

@Adriaan

 

Have you not played Max Payne 3 Adriaan?

 

And lets hope youre right

[Adriaan]

I have played it, yeah. You can see me somewhere in this photo... http://www.paynereactor.com/images/stories...12/page2-01.jpg

[Shoumaker]

Can you give me a hint which one you are???

[Adriaan]

I'm the white guy.

[Johan]

Can you give me a hint which one you are???

He's obviously the one staring at the camera with a shocked look

[Shoumaker]

I knew you would say that , should have been more specific

[deadlyzombie]

I have played it, yeah. You can see me somewhere in this photo... http://www.paynereactor.com/images/stories...12/page2-01.jpg

LOL at first I thought it was an artwork but then I realised it's a photo

[Adriaan]

Yeah, dat photographic art. In reality the room didn't appear as brightly lit as that photo tries to imply.

[DeafMetal]

 

I don't get the Nvidia optimization sh*t to be honest, it looks the same Even runs better on my AMD, but well, it's far superior to the Nvidia I had.

Well, it does look slightly better. Take Arkham City for example. It had very good details with the Nvidia PhysX.

The darn game runs horribly on my AMD card that's more than powerful enough to play it.

[Spider-Vice]

I don't get the Nvidia optimization sh*t to be honest, it looks the same Even runs better on my AMD, but well, it's far superior to the Nvidia I had.

Well, it does look slightly better. Take Arkham City for example. It had very good details with the Nvidia PhysX.

The darn game runs horribly on my AMD card that's more than powerful enough to play it.

Bet you have PhysX on and your CPU is processing them, slowing the game down. On Mirrors Edge I get 60+ FPS steady, enable PhysX (CPU) and have breaking glass, it drops to 5-10 FPS.

[Andreas]

Well, that's a good topic there. I don't like it when games are optimized for specific graphic cards so in this case for AMD or NVidia. Here are some examples that annoys me: Skyrim have a better performance on AMD graphic cards and the anisotropic filtering scales nearly perfect compared to NVidia graphic cards with the same power. A extreme example: If you use DownSampling and all the possible overpowered features in Metro 2033 then NVidia graphic cards have up to 50% less performance compared to AMD graphic cards. GTA IV have sometimes 20-25% less performance on a HD7970 compared to a GTX680. Remember: the GTX680 is only 10% faster than the HD7970.

 

I could make a longer list with games that run better on AMD respective NVidia graphic cards but I better let it now. I just hope that AMD user are not as screwed as with the release of GTA IV on PC. If you look at the GTA IV section and then read the PC performance topics then you can see how user that bought GTA IV in 2008 ran the game with a High-End graphic card on low to mid settings. That's ridiculous. I think Rockstar learnt from their big mistakes of GTA IV but we've to assume that Max Payne 1 & 2 were focused on PC too so Rockstar was more or less forced to make such a masterpiece on PC. I hope Rockstar will at least learn how to make a game on PC that isn't a fail like GTA IV. I would love Rockstar if they make a good optimized PC version like they did with Max Payne 3.

[Gangsta-NL]

I think it's because nvidia gives the test department these videocards. Some kind of a deal.

[Andreas]

 

I think it's because nvidia gives the test department these videocards. Some kind of a deal.

That make me think. I remember how NVidia wrote about the GTA V screenshots. Maybe GTA V will have PhysX? Or maybe GTA V will be "polished" for NVidia graphic cards as good as possible? Maybe there are GTA V exclusives for the new NVidia graphic card series, GTX700 series so for example "Everybody who buys a new GTX780 will get GTA V and this for a total price of $449". Well, we'll see it.

[Dilapidated]

I've used an Amd 6950 and a Nvidia 570 on IV. I don't remember the exact fps difference but do remember having a higher fps on the Nvidia card. I've played Max Payne 3 but only with an Amd 7970 so I'm not sure if there's a difference between the brands on newer RAGE based games, however its quite obvious Max Payne 3 was better optimized for pc than was IV and hopefully V will be as well. I've enjoyed PhysX in the past but the fact that R* hasn't supported it in any of its games makes me very doubtful we'll see support for it in GTA V.

[Andreas]

I remembered that it was mentioned a few times before the release that GTA IV support Multi-GPU. In fact Multi-GPU even decrease the performance of GTA IV. I'm not a fan of Multi-GPU (high temperatures, micro stuttering, etc.) but still I think it sucked for the users that had a GTX295 at the time of the release. In this case the GTX285 had the same or even a better performance compared to the GTX295.

[Spider-Vice]

Maybe GTA V will have PhysX?

Well RAGE seems to have its own physics system, I don't think they would implement PhysX but that would be a step even more backwards and would make AMD users rage over it... Like me. Because AMD can't use PhysX.

[DeafMetal]

I don't get the Nvidia optimization sh*t to be honest, it looks the same Even runs better on my AMD, but well, it's far superior to the Nvidia I had.

Well, it does look slightly better. Take Arkham City for example. It had very good details with the Nvidia PhysX.

The darn game runs horribly on my AMD card that's more than powerful enough to play it.

Bet you have PhysX on and your CPU is processing them, slowing the game down. On Mirrors Edge I get 60+ FPS steady, enable PhysX (CPU) and have breaking glass, it drops to 5-10 FPS.

It's off. IDK, man, darn thing ran perfectly fine the first time maxed out, now it's barely playable. Bleh, well, back on topic lol I can complain to EA heir own forum.

[s1xty7]

I thought Max Payne 3 used PhysX (or at least had the option)? I have it on the PS3 so I can't tell if it does or not.

 

As an owner of a 7970, I'd like it to be equal for both cards, but GTAIV aside, Nvidia cards get higher scores in MP3 too. I can only console myself with the fact that my 7970 was WAY cheaper than a 680, although 670s still outscore it in GTAIV and MP3 and costs about the same or slightly less than my 7970 OC. I will likely wait and see what the benchmarks are when the game actually releases. If an Nvidia solution is faster, I will probably sell the 7970 and buy the best single GPU Nvidia solution at the time.