Nine Eleven

[GTA_stu]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

 

That is all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2...xtinction_event

I get what the first link is driving at, although it's utter tosh all the same. Likewise I get what the second link is driving at, again utter tosh all the same. But the third one has me slightly puzzled. Instead of trying to be all cryptic and stuff, why can't people just state in plain English what they mean regarding stuff like this. Just posting a link and then not adding anything doesn't really reflect particularly well on the person posting it.

 

 

[kietotheworld]

I was around there 9/11. I was born in NYC. I lived there until 2003 actually. Then moved to Michigan. I was at the north tower (1wtc) at windows on the world with my parents on 9/9/01. I have no idea what we ate. I was only 5 years old. But i do clearly remember the view from the window. We sat on the side facing the empire state building. We left after we ate, gave a tip to a waitress and went home. Odd thinking that i was there, but in 2 days at that same time it would be gone. I was there at around 8PM-10PM or so on 9/9. Dont remember anything but that. At least i can say ive been there, and inside. Theres lots of people my age who never got to be there at all.

 

I honestly wish they would just rebuild the twins instead of that... "Trophy" for terrorists. Building that new ugly blue thing is a trophy for osama bin laden. The twins should of been rebuilt like this:

 

 

Building that proposed plan would of been great and a big FU to osama and his friends. The new twins would of sat next to the original footprints, while the old footprints would retain the old left over steel that did not fall from the facade, the new towers would be built near it. It would of been 10 stories taller.

Would you want to go to work in a building that's been designed as a "F*ck you" to terrorists?

[Fnorg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

 

That is all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2...xtinction_event

I get what the first link is driving at, although it's utter tosh all the same. Likewise I get what the second link is driving at, again utter tosh all the same. But the third one has me slightly puzzled. Instead of trying to be all cryptic and stuff, why can't people just state in plain English what they mean regarding stuff like this. Just posting a link and then not adding anything doesn't really reflect particularly well on the person posting it.

Maybe the Zionist media has your mind so clouded you can't see what's really going on.

 

Jews killed the dinasours.

[GunWrath]

Very sad day, and certainly a day that I shall never forget.

 

RIP to those who have fallen and those who gave their lives to save those who suffered.

 

It was also a pivotal moment for Americans, because that day, all Americans stood together. As for the immature comments posted about 9/11, ehh.. Still can't break my patriotism. You'll understand someday.

 

Semper Fi

[kietotheworld]

Very sad day, and certainly a day that I shall never forget.

 

RIP to those who have fallen and those who gave their lives to save those who suffered.

 

It was also a pivotal moment for Americans, because that day, all Americans stood together. As for the immature comments posted about 9/11, ehh.. Still can't break my patriotism. You'll understand someday.

 

Semper Fi

All Americans stood together and what was achieved by it? Unconstitutional invasive powers were granted to the government, a platform was created for two wars which have cost the lives of literally millions of innocent people, thousands of soldiers and over a trillion dollars (that's over $3,000 for every US citizen) and for what?

 

The biggest tragedy that came out of 9/11 wasn't the 2,900-3,000 people who were killed by it, it was the absurd acts committed by your country all in the name of your patriotism. F*ck your patriotism.

[BabeRuth]

I was in school today and I didn't know that buildings around the Twin towers burned too (Don't flame me please).

[darthYENIK]

 

great! now we can ALL wallow in misery forever!

While I think "Never Forget" sigs are tacky as hell

Do you hate America or something

Are you kidding me?

 

I love how loads of people bang on about 9/11 as THE time to remember, little realising that the US has suffered lots of terrorist attacks over the years.

 

Are you going to have a sig for each and everyone of them?

You're right, because 9/11 isn't the only terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people and destroyed two of the tallest buildings in the world.

 

We should really be never forgetting the 6 injured and 6 mailboxes destroyed due to the Mailbox Pipe Bomber.

Bit of a stupid comment really... isn't it? What do you want for that? A smartarse award?

 

 

My point is, that 9/11 is mentioned all the time - even Family Guy takes the p*ss out of it in the episode where Louis runs for Mayor.

 

Economy collapses... 9/11. Gay marriage... 9/11. Farmer caught bumming a sheep... NINE MOTHERF*CKING ELEVEN.

 

 

I'm not saying don't remember, but sometimes people go too far.

Maybe you're too slow to understand, but nearly 3,000 people died in that one day. By far the largest number of casualties of all those on the list you posted. This isn't some pissant who blew a couple fingers off of some postal workers. That single event changed the world as we know it. And if there is ever a day to actually stop and think about it, it's on the f*cking anniversary. I'm sorry but if anyone is stupid around here, it's definitely you.

 

Now give me my smartarse award.

[dumbassbuffet]

 

great! now we can ALL wallow in misery forever!

While I think "Never Forget" sigs are tacky as hell

Do you hate America or something

Are you kidding me?

 

I love how loads of people bang on about 9/11 as THE time to remember, little realising that the US has suffered lots of terrorist attacks over the years.

 

Are you going to have a sig for each and everyone of them?

You're right, because 9/11 isn't the only terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people and destroyed two of the tallest buildings in the world.

 

We should really be never forgetting the 6 injured and 6 mailboxes destroyed due to the Mailbox Pipe Bomber.

Bit of a stupid comment really... isn't it? What do you want for that? A smartarse award?

 

 

My point is, that 9/11 is mentioned all the time - even Family Guy takes the p*ss out of it in the episode where Louis runs for Mayor.

 

Economy collapses... 9/11. Gay marriage... 9/11. Farmer caught bumming a sheep... NINE MOTHERF*CKING ELEVEN.

 

 

I'm not saying don't remember, but sometimes people go too far.

Maybe you're too slow to understand, but nearly 3,000 people died in that one day. By far the largest number of casualties of all those on the list you posted. This isn't some pissant who blew a couple fingers off of some postal workers. That single event changed the world as we know it. And if there is ever a day to actually stop and think about it, it's on the f*cking anniversary. I'm sorry but if anyone is stupid around here, it's definitely you.

 

Now give me my smartarse award.

on august 6th 1945, the Americans dropped the first atomic bomb on the small village of Hiroshima japan killing between 90,000 and 133,000 (nearly 45,000 - 66,500 on that day alone, the rest died from radiation sickness) CIVILIANS. how dare you say 9/11 was worse.

I know there was an ongoing war (WWII) at the time but isn't the etiquette of war not to kill civilians?

 

EDIT: Sorry to go too far there, just skimmed over the comments, I misinterpreted what was said.

[Johan]

On September 11,2001 I was still in my hometown in the Dominican Republic.. we were watching the tragic events on our T.V there and called my dad who works around there (he recently quit his job at the Empire State Building 2 years ago) and he said he was fine. We actually moved to the United States 2 weeks after 9/11, which makes me feel bad when I think about it.

 

R.I.P once again to those that died, went to the memorial today after skipping class.. I couldn't miss out on this at all

[Bellic 4 life]

I was around there 9/11. I was born in NYC. I lived there until 2003 actually. Then moved to Michigan. I was at the north tower (1wtc) at windows on the world with my parents on 9/9/01. I have no idea what we ate. I was only 5 years old. But i do clearly remember the view from the window. We sat on the side facing the empire state building. We left after we ate, gave a tip to a waitress and went home. Odd thinking that i was there, but in 2 days at that same time it would be gone. I was there at around 8PM-10PM or so on 9/9. Dont remember anything but that. At least i can say ive been there, and inside. Theres lots of people my age who never got to be there at all.

 

I honestly wish they would just rebuild the twins instead of that... "Trophy" for terrorists. Building that new ugly blue thing is a trophy for osama bin laden. The twins should of been rebuilt like this:

 

 

Building that proposed plan would of been great and a big FU to osama and his friends. The new twins would of sat next to the original footprints, while the old footprints would retain the old left over steel that did not fall from the facade, the new towers would be built near it. It would of been 10 stories taller.

Would you want to go to work in a building that's been designed as a "F*ck you" to terrorists?

Actually, yes.

 

I agree, they should have been rebuilt.

[Bellic 4 life]

 

great! now we can ALL wallow in misery forever!

While I think "Never Forget" sigs are tacky as hell

Do you hate America or something

Are you kidding me?

 

I love how loads of people bang on about 9/11 as THE time to remember, little realising that the US has suffered lots of terrorist attacks over the years.

 

Are you going to have a sig for each and everyone of them?

You're right, because 9/11 isn't the only terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people and destroyed two of the tallest buildings in the world.

 

We should really be never forgetting the 6 injured and 6 mailboxes destroyed due to the Mailbox Pipe Bomber.

Bit of a stupid comment really... isn't it? What do you want for that? A smartarse award?

 

 

My point is, that 9/11 is mentioned all the time - even Family Guy takes the p*ss out of it in the episode where Louis runs for Mayor.

 

Economy collapses... 9/11. Gay marriage... 9/11. Farmer caught bumming a sheep... NINE MOTHERF*CKING ELEVEN.

 

 

I'm not saying don't remember, but sometimes people go too far.

Maybe you're too slow to understand, but nearly 3,000 people died in that one day. By far the largest number of casualties of all those on the list you posted. This isn't some pissant who blew a couple fingers off of some postal workers. That single event changed the world as we know it. And if there is ever a day to actually stop and think about it, it's on the f*cking anniversary. I'm sorry but if anyone is stupid around here, it's definitely you.

 

Now give me my smartarse award.

on august 6th 1945, the Americans dropped the first atomic bomb on the small village of Hiroshima japan killing between 90,000 and 133,000 (nearly 45,000 - 66,500 on that day alone, the rest died from radiation sickness) CIVILIANS. how dare you say 9/11 was worse.

I know there was an ongoing war (WWII) at the time but isn't the etiquette of war not to kill civilians?

 

EDIT: Sorry to go too far there, just skimmed over the comments, I misinterpreted what was said.

You do realize what the alternative was, right? Invasion, which would have resulted 1.7-4 million American casualties. That's not taking into account the Soviets, and the other nations involved.

[dumbassbuffet]

great! now we can ALL wallow in misery forever!

While I think "Never Forget" sigs are tacky as hell

Do you hate America or something

Are you kidding me?

 

I love how loads of people bang on about 9/11 as THE time to remember, little realising that the US has suffered lots of terrorist attacks over the years.

 

Are you going to have a sig for each and everyone of them?

You're right, because 9/11 isn't the only terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people and destroyed two of the tallest buildings in the world.

 

We should really be never forgetting the 6 injured and 6 mailboxes destroyed due to the Mailbox Pipe Bomber.

Bit of a stupid comment really... isn't it? What do you want for that? A smartarse award?

 

 

My point is, that 9/11 is mentioned all the time - even Family Guy takes the p*ss out of it in the episode where Louis runs for Mayor.

 

Economy collapses... 9/11. Gay marriage... 9/11. Farmer caught bumming a sheep... NINE MOTHERF*CKING ELEVEN.

 

 

I'm not saying don't remember, but sometimes people go too far.

Maybe you're too slow to understand, but nearly 3,000 people died in that one day. By far the largest number of casualties of all those on the list you posted. This isn't some pissant who blew a couple fingers off of some postal workers. That single event changed the world as we know it. And if there is ever a day to actually stop and think about it, it's on the f*cking anniversary. I'm sorry but if anyone is stupid around here, it's definitely you.

 

Now give me my smartarse award.

on august 6th 1945, the Americans dropped the first atomic bomb on the small village of Hiroshima japan killing between 90,000 and 133,000 (nearly 45,000 - 66,500 on that day alone, the rest died from radiation sickness) CIVILIANS. how dare you say 9/11 was worse.

I know there was an ongoing war (WWII) at the time but isn't the etiquette of war not to kill civilians?

 

EDIT: Sorry to go too far there, just skimmed over the comments, I misinterpreted what was said.

You do realize what the alternative was, right? Invasion, which would have resulted 1.7-4 million American casualties. That's not taking into account the Soviets, and the other nations involved.

so killing woman and children is the answer?

[Mr.Mordecai]

Oh 2997 people died in one incedint. Cuz its not like 300.000 people die any way. Why remember a f*cked up event?All it is is false sympathy and a scapegoat to hate the middle east.

 

[Bellic 4 life]

 

 

great! now we can ALL wallow in misery forever!

While I think "Never Forget" sigs are tacky as hell

Do you hate America or something

Are you kidding me?

 

I love how loads of people bang on about 9/11 as THE time to remember, little realising that the US has suffered lots of terrorist attacks over the years.

 

Are you going to have a sig for each and everyone of them?

You're right, because 9/11 isn't the only terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people and destroyed two of the tallest buildings in the world.

 

We should really be never forgetting the 6 injured and 6 mailboxes destroyed due to the Mailbox Pipe Bomber.

Bit of a stupid comment really... isn't it? What do you want for that? A smartarse award?

 

 

My point is, that 9/11 is mentioned all the time - even Family Guy takes the p*ss out of it in the episode where Louis runs for Mayor.

 

Economy collapses... 9/11. Gay marriage... 9/11. Farmer caught bumming a sheep... NINE MOTHERF*CKING ELEVEN.

 

 

I'm not saying don't remember, but sometimes people go too far.

Maybe you're too slow to understand, but nearly 3,000 people died in that one day. By far the largest number of casualties of all those on the list you posted. This isn't some pissant who blew a couple fingers off of some postal workers. That single event changed the world as we know it. And if there is ever a day to actually stop and think about it, it's on the f*cking anniversary. I'm sorry but if anyone is stupid around here, it's definitely you.

 

Now give me my smartarse award.

on august 6th 1945, the Americans dropped the first atomic bomb on the small village of Hiroshima japan killing between 90,000 and 133,000 (nearly 45,000 - 66,500 on that day alone, the rest died from radiation sickness) CIVILIANS. how dare you say 9/11 was worse.

I know there was an ongoing war (WWII) at the time but isn't the etiquette of war not to kill civilians?

 

EDIT: Sorry to go too far there, just skimmed over the comments, I misinterpreted what was said.

You do realize what the alternative was, right? Invasion, which would have resulted 1.7-4 million American casualties. That's not taking into account the Soviets, and the other nations involved.

so killing woman and children is the answer?

Dropping a bomb to eliminate the industrial capacity of Japan WAS the answer. BTW, Hiroshima was not a small village. It was a city, with a large military base in the city, and Nagasaki was large industrial city, which had factorys that maufactured engines for warplanes, and refined steel.

 

EDIT: And what the hell do you want me to say, tht killing civilians is good? Of course it's not, but it was the solution with lowest cost of human life.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Bellic 4 life

[Linki]

Very sad day, and certainly a day that I shall never forget.

 

RIP to those who have fallen and those who gave their lives to save those who suffered.

 

It was also a pivotal moment for Americans, because that day, all Americans stood together. As for the immature comments posted about 9/11, ehh.. Still can't break my patriotism. You'll understand someday.

 

Semper Fi

All Americans stood together and what was achieved by it? Unconstitutional invasive powers were granted to the government, a platform was created for two wars which have cost the lives of literally millions of innocent people, thousands of soldiers and over a trillion dollars (that's over $3,000 for every US citizen) and for what?

 

The biggest tragedy that came out of 9/11 wasn't the 2,900-3,000 people who were killed by it, it was the absurd acts committed by your country all in the name of your patriotism. F*ck your patriotism.

It's not about the political crockery that followed after it.

 

Do you remember the feeling on September 12th, not just in America, but the world? Everyone felt united. No matter the sh*t going behind the scenes, the human spirit never faulted.

[Bellic 4 life]

Very sad day, and certainly a day that I shall never forget.

 

RIP to those who have fallen and those who gave their lives to save those who suffered.

 

It was also a pivotal moment for Americans, because that day, all Americans stood together. As for the immature comments posted about 9/11, ehh.. Still can't break my patriotism. You'll understand someday.

 

Semper Fi

All Americans stood together and what was achieved by it? Unconstitutional invasive powers were granted to the government, a platform was created for two wars which have cost the lives of literally millions of innocent people, thousands of soldiers and over a trillion dollars (that's over $3,000 for every US citizen) and for what?

 

The biggest tragedy that came out of 9/11 wasn't the 2,900-3,000 people who were killed by it, it was the absurd acts committed by your country all in the name of your patriotism. F*ck your patriotism.

It's not about the political crockery that followed after it.

 

Do you remember the feeling on September 12th, not just in America, but the world? Everyone felt united. No matter the sh*t going behind the scenes, the human spirit never faulted.

Even the Taliban felt bad for us, which honestly was a mindf**k when I read it. They refused to believe that bin Laden was involved however. I'm pretty sure the only people that rejoiced about were Iran, and the various s**tbags in Palestine, that like burning and trampling on US flags.

[GunWrath]

Very sad day, and certainly a day that I shall never forget.

 

RIP to those who have fallen and those who gave their lives to save those who suffered.

 

It was also a pivotal moment for Americans, because that day, all Americans stood together. As for the immature comments posted about 9/11, ehh.. Still can't break my patriotism. You'll understand someday.

 

Semper Fi

All Americans stood together and what was achieved by it? Unconstitutional invasive powers were granted to the government, a platform was created for two wars which have cost the lives of literally millions of innocent people, thousands of soldiers and over a trillion dollars (that's over $3,000 for every US citizen) and for what?

 

The biggest tragedy that came out of 9/11 wasn't the 2,900-3,000 people who were killed by it, it was the absurd acts committed by your country all in the name of your patriotism. F*ck your patriotism.

 

Very sad day, and certainly a day that I shall never forget.

 

RIP to those who have fallen and those who gave their lives to save those who suffered.

 

It was also a pivotal moment for Americans, because that day, all Americans stood together. As for the immature comments posted about 9/11, ehh.. Still can't break my patriotism. You'll understand someday.

 

Semper Fi

All Americans stood together and what was achieved by it? Unconstitutional invasive powers were granted to the government, a platform was created for two wars which have cost the lives of literally millions of innocent people, thousands of soldiers and over a trillion dollars (that's over $3,000 for every US citizen) and for what?

 

The biggest tragedy that came out of 9/11 wasn't the 2,900-3,000 people who were killed by it, it was the absurd acts committed by your country all in the name of your patriotism. F*ck your patriotism.

Still not hurting my patriotism, bro.

 

As far as casualties, where in the hell do you begin to say millions? This isn't World War II, nor III. They say the death toll is depicted around 1.1 million, (which varies greatly) even the "experts" say "varies greatly", as noone can ever accurately create a toll of actual deaths due to war. As a veteran, I'm certain that the death toll is nowhere near a million, let alone million(s). I've experienced 7 deaths of fellow Marines while in service and few firefights, but the main one I encountered was Fallujah, that was about the extent of it.

 

The first thing you people normally shoot for is, "THE GOVERNMENT!", wrong. We've had tensions with Iraq long before 9/11, amigo. A war in the middle-east was inevitable, but being it happen so soon after 9/11, it's just about all you have to try and throw some debate. I'll patiently wait and tap my fingers while you search for further "intelligent" comments.

 

As far as Afghanistan, it's a cesspool of terrorists and extremists. I stand behind that war 150%, my boots walked many of miles in that dirt and I have no regrets. You look down on the American government, but have you looked at the field from both views though?

 

We give children candy, hugs, high-fives, food, clothes for warmth for the ones who needed it, shelters and I've witnessed uncountable events where children and adults praised us as we rolled through. Why? Because they knew help was on the way. They waved American flags, that's how oppressed the Iraqi people were. How would you feel to wave the flag of another country? Must be a terrifying feeling, but if you were to be saved and no longer lived under the tyranny, I'm sure I'd wave that flag too, amigo. There's more to war than death and KILL, KILL, KILL. Yes, we have men of uniform who do daunting things, but that happens and it gets dealt with by the appropriate authorities. But the good sure as hell outweigh the bad.

 

Your problem is that you see what the media wants you to see then you become conformists, you're failing to realize that we freed alot of suffering people of Iraq. They lacked food, water and overall protection. As their former leader was a tyrant and vicious man. He killed his own people much like Kim Jong Il. We helped establish schools, hospitals and other facilities for children and adults.

 

I'm done with this, think before you speak.. experience it before you speak it. You have no idea of what it's like over there, therefore your accusations are irrelevant.

[Tsar_Smirnoff]

I'm under the impression now, that most Americans have transitioned from mourning this day to simply reflecting on it. While I was out driving today I noticed that only 2 out of about 15 flags I noticed were at half-mast, the news had hardly any coverage, and it just seems like there was a sense of ordinariness about today that I've never seen before. I would assume that the death of Osama Bin Laden last year was the catalyst for this progression; you know, it's like the end chapter to the story.

 

 

[dumbassbuffet]

great! now we can ALL wallow in misery forever!

While I think "Never Forget" sigs are tacky as hell

Do you hate America or something

Are you kidding me?

 

I love how loads of people bang on about 9/11 as THE time to remember, little realising that the US has suffered lots of terrorist attacks over the years.

 

Are you going to have a sig for each and everyone of them?

You're right, because 9/11 isn't the only terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people and destroyed two of the tallest buildings in the world.

 

We should really be never forgetting the 6 injured and 6 mailboxes destroyed due to the Mailbox Pipe Bomber.

Bit of a stupid comment really... isn't it? What do you want for that? A smartarse award?

 

 

My point is, that 9/11 is mentioned all the time - even Family Guy takes the p*ss out of it in the episode where Louis runs for Mayor.

 

Economy collapses... 9/11. Gay marriage... 9/11. Farmer caught bumming a sheep... NINE MOTHERF*CKING ELEVEN.

 

 

I'm not saying don't remember, but sometimes people go too far.

Maybe you're too slow to understand, but nearly 3,000 people died in that one day. By far the largest number of casualties of all those on the list you posted. This isn't some pissant who blew a couple fingers off of some postal workers. That single event changed the world as we know it. And if there is ever a day to actually stop and think about it, it's on the f*cking anniversary. I'm sorry but if anyone is stupid around here, it's definitely you.

 

Now give me my smartarse award.

on august 6th 1945, the Americans dropped the first atomic bomb on the small village of Hiroshima japan killing between 90,000 and 133,000 (nearly 45,000 - 66,500 on that day alone, the rest died from radiation sickness) CIVILIANS. how dare you say 9/11 was worse.

I know there was an ongoing war (WWII) at the time but isn't the etiquette of war not to kill civilians?

 

EDIT: Sorry to go too far there, just skimmed over the comments, I misinterpreted what was said.

You do realize what the alternative was, right? Invasion, which would have resulted 1.7-4 million American casualties. That's not taking into account the Soviets, and the other nations involved.

so killing woman and children is the answer?

Dropping a bomb to eliminate the industrial capacity of Japan WAS the answer. BTW, Hiroshima was not a small village. It was a city, with a large military base in the city, and Nagasaki was large industrial city, which had factorys that maufactured engines for warplanes, and refined steel.

well, I thank you for giving me more insight (seriously, no snide, no anger, how else would you learn). there should have been another way to deal with those bases. there really should have been. captain hindsight here. still, the attacks on September 11th were politically / religiously charged which was meant tho hurt commerce (progress, industry) and send a message, same can be said about the attacks in japan. so why does wartime immediately rule out terrorism?

[Bellic 4 life]

 

As far as casualties, where in the hell do you begin to say millions? This isn't World War II, nor III. They say the death toll is depicted around 1.1 million, (which varies greatly) even the "experts" say "varies greatly", as noone can ever accurately create a toll of actual deaths due to war. As a veteran, I'm certain that the death toll is nowhere near a million, let alone million(s). I've experienced 7 deaths of fellow Marines while in service and few firefights, but the main one I encountered was Fallujah, that was about the extent of it.

 

The first thing you people normally shoot for is, "THE GOVERNMENT!", wrong. We've had tensions with Iraq long before 9/11, amigo. A war in the middle-east was inevitable, but being it happen so soon after 9/11, it's just about all you have to try and throw some debate. I'll patiently wait and tap my fingers while you search for further "intelligent" comments.

 

As far as Afghanistan, it's a cesspool of terrorists and extremists. I stand behind that war 150%, my boots walked many of miles in that dirt and I have no regrets. You look down on the American government, but have you looked at the field from both views though?

 

We give children candy, hugs, high-fives, food, clothes for warmth for the ones who needed it, shelters and I've witnessed uncountable events where children and adults praised us as we rolled through. Why? Because they knew help was on the way. They waved American flags, that's how oppressed the Iraqi people were. How would you feel to wave the flag of another country? Must be a terrifying feeling, but if you were to be saved and no longer lived under the tyranny, I'm sure I'd wave that flag too, amigo. There's more to war than death and KILL, KILL, KILL. Yes, we have men of uniform who do daunting things, but that happens and it gets dealt with by the appropriate authorities. But the good sure as hell outweigh the bad.

 

Your problem is that you see what the media wants you to see then you become conformists, you're failing to realize that we freed alot of suffering people of Iraq. They lacked food, water and overall protection. As their former leader was a tyrant and vicious man. He killed his own people much like Kim Jong Il. We helped establish schools, hospitals and other facilities for children and adults.

 

I'm done with this, think before you speak.. experience it before you speak it. You have no idea of what it's like over there, therefore your accusations are irrelevant.

Welcome to the conversation. Hello.

 

I was reffering to the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, compared to the planned invasion of Japan. So yes, it is WW2.

 

EDIT: Ignore this, misunderstndings were had.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Bellic 4 life

[fireguy109]

^ he was talking to the guy he quoted, mate, and about the wars in the sandbox - not about you and your squabble with dumbassbuffet.

 

GunWrath, I just wanna give you a thumbs up for putting that so nicely. Good to see somebody sticking it to the morons.

[Bellic 4 life]

well, I thank you for giving me more insight (seriously, no snide, no anger, how else would you learn). there should have been another way to deal with those bases. there really should have been. captain hindsight here. still, the attacks on September 11th were politically / religiously charged which was meant tho hurt commerce (progress, industry) and send a message, same can be said about the attacks in japan. so why does wartime immediately rule out terrorism?

No problem, I just get frustrated when people say that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are reasons why we shouldn't be pissed off about 9/11.

 

One thing you have to understand, is that they didn't know exactly what the bomb would do. Sure, they knew a large blast would be caused, but they didn't know what would happen to survivors.

[omgz153]

As far as casualties, where in the hell do you begin to say millions? This isn't World War II, nor III. They say the death toll is depicted around 1.1 million, (which varies greatly) even the "experts" say "varies greatly", as noone can ever accurately create a toll of actual deaths due to war. As a veteran, I'm certain that the death toll is nowhere near a million, let alone million(s). I've experienced 7 deaths of fellow Marines while in service and few firefights, but the main one I encountered was Fallujah, that was about the extent of it.

 

The first thing you people normally shoot for is, "THE GOVERNMENT!", wrong. We've had tensions with Iraq long before 9/11, amigo. A war in the middle-east was inevitable, but being it happen so soon after 9/11, it's just about all you have to try and throw some debate. I'll patiently wait and tap my fingers while you search for further "intelligent" comments.

 

As far as Afghanistan, it's a cesspool of terrorists and extremists. I stand behind that war 150%, my boots walked many of miles in that dirt and I have no regrets. You look down on the American government, but have you looked at the field from both views though?

 

We give children candy, hugs, high-fives, food, clothes for warmth for the ones who needed it, shelters and I've witnessed uncountable events where children and adults praised us as we rolled through. Why? Because they knew help was on the way. They waved American flags, that's how oppressed the Iraqi people were. How would you feel to wave the flag of another country? Must be a terrifying feeling, but if you were to be saved and no longer lived under the tyranny, I'm sure I'd wave that flag too, amigo. There's more to war than death and KILL, KILL, KILL. Yes, we have men of uniform who do daunting things, but that happens and it gets dealt with by the appropriate authorities. But the good sure as hell outweigh the bad.

 

Your problem is that you see what the media wants you to see then you become conformists, you're failing to realize that we freed alot of suffering people of Iraq. They lacked food, water and overall protection. As their former leader was a tyrant and vicious man. He killed his own people much like Kim Jong Il. We helped establish schools, hospitals and other facilities for children and adults.

 

I'm done with this, think before you speak.. experience it before you speak it. You have no idea of what it's like over there, therefore your accusations are irrelevant.

 

Waste of tax dollars sending a bunch of low class scumbags to the middle east in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Waste of tax dollars sending a bunch of low class scumbags to the middle east in my opinion.

 

Remember guys, war is just used to fulfill the agenda of some politician who's interests are NOT related to giving people back their freedom. It costs a lot of cash to make a war and no country is gonna make one without a financial prospect.

 

 

[kietotheworld]

 

Would you want to go to work in a building that's been designed as a "F*ck you" to terrorists?

Actually, yes.

 

I agree, they should have been rebuilt.

I don't think many office workers are going to want to work in a building that is the No. 1 target for terrorists in the world.

 

 

Very sad day, and certainly a day that I shall never forget.

 

RIP to those who have fallen and those who gave their lives to save those who suffered.

 

It was also a pivotal moment for Americans, because that day, all Americans stood together. As for the immature comments posted about 9/11, ehh.. Still can't break my patriotism. You'll understand someday.

 

Semper Fi

All Americans stood together and what was achieved by it? Unconstitutional invasive powers were granted to the government, a platform was created for two wars which have cost the lives of literally millions of innocent people, thousands of soldiers and over a trillion dollars (that's over $3,000 for every US citizen) and for what?

 

The biggest tragedy that came out of 9/11 wasn't the 2,900-3,000 people who were killed by it, it was the absurd acts committed by your country all in the name of your patriotism. F*ck your patriotism.

It's not about the political crockery that followed after it.

 

Do you remember the feeling on September 12th, not just in America, but the world? Everyone felt united. No matter the sh*t going behind the scenes, the human spirit never faulted.

That's the problem, everyone feels united, so they feel like anything is justified to defeat terrorism, but it isn't rational thought, it's just emotion speaking. If everyone had shrugged their shoulders and moved on with their lives the next day, the world would be a far better place today. Terrorism is a law enforcement issue, not a military issue.

 

 

Still not hurting my patriotism, bro.

 

As far as casualties, where in the hell do you begin to say millions? This isn't World War II, nor III. They say the death toll is depicted around 1.1 million, (which varies greatly) even the "experts" say "varies greatly", as noone can ever accurately create a toll of actual deaths due to war. As a veteran, I'm certain that the death toll is nowhere near a million, let alone million(s). I've experienced 7 deaths of fellow Marines while in service and few firefights, but the main one I encountered was Fallujah, that was about the extent of it.

 

The first thing you people normally shoot for is, "THE GOVERNMENT!", wrong. We've had tensions with Iraq long before 9/11, amigo. A war in the middle-east was inevitable, but being it happen so soon after 9/11, it's just about all you have to try and throw some debate. I'll patiently wait and tap my fingers while you search for further "intelligent" comments.

 

As far as Afghanistan, it's a cesspool of terrorists and extremists. I stand behind that war 150%, my boots walked many of miles in that dirt and I have no regrets. You look down on the American government, but have you looked at the field from both views though?

 

We give children candy, hugs, high-fives, food, clothes for warmth for the ones who needed it, shelters and I've witnessed uncountable events where children and adults praised us as we rolled through. Why? Because they knew help was on the way. They waved American flags, that's how oppressed the Iraqi people were. How would you feel to wave the flag of another country? Must be a terrifying feeling, but if you were to be saved and no longer lived under the tyranny, I'm sure I'd wave that flag too, amigo. There's more to war than death and KILL, KILL, KILL. Yes, we have men of uniform who do daunting things, but that happens and it gets dealt with by the appropriate authorities. But the good sure as hell outweigh the bad.

 

Your problem is that you see what the media wants you to see then you become conformists, you're failing to realize that we freed alot of suffering people of Iraq. They lacked food, water and overall protection. As their former leader was a tyrant and vicious man. He killed his own people much like Kim Jong Il. We helped establish schools, hospitals and other facilities for children and adults.

 

I'm done with this, think before you speak.. experience it before you speak it. You have no idea of what it's like over there, therefore your accusations are irrelevant.

 

Alright fine, we'll be extremely generous, go to the far end of that estimate, and say 500,000 people killed. That's well over 100 times the original death toll, how on earth can that be justified?

 

War with Iraq was far from being inevitable, prominent political thinkers in the United States believed that war was absolutely unnecessary, because Saddam could be deterred in the same way that the Soviet Union had been deterred - he would never go to war with the United States or even attempted to go against its interests because he knew that if he did the United States would destroy him, and conquer his state. I'm paraphrasing very smart men here, if you are interested in the matter you should read this

 

http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/A0032.pdf

 

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were directly linked with the "War on Terror" declared by Bush immediately after the events of 9/11, they could never have been justified to the American (or British for that matter) public without it. It's grossly dishonest to try and conflate fighting oppression with the actual reasons for the war - if it is to fight oppression we haven't gone into Zimbabwe, China or North Korea to fight it?

 

Did the candy and hugs you gave to the children make up for the ones whos limbs you blew off, or make up for the ones the bombing campaigns made into orphans? What about the resultant insurgency, did it make up for that?

 

It doesn't surprise me that as a member of the US military you are unwilling to accept the truth about your own country. How could you ever go against the lie you've been fed? It'd mean you and your friends had been fighting and dying for a force which has done immeasurable harm to the lives of innocent civilians, far more than anything Al-Quaeda have ever directly done.

 

I'd like to ask you a question - as a member of a military force which obviously believes very strongly in what it is doing, and believes that collateral damage in the form of civilian deaths is acceptable, do you feel any sympathy for members of Al Quaeda? Like you, they are willing to give their lives for something that they believe in very strongly, and like you they don't really mind out civilian casualties as long as it's for, what they see as, the greater good.

[E.A.B.]

 

I'm done with this, think before you speak.. experience it before you speak it. You have no idea of what it's like over there, therefore your accusations are irrelevant.

No offense, but being in the trenches and looking at kids wave flags doesn't mean you know the science behind the situation.

 

Dismantling Iraq's previous political institutions means decaying the societies stability. What the Bush administration tried to do was instate a sort of Demoratic-Capitalistic country, but without the proper institutions or public psyche for it. What we did was get rid of the one man that basically kept the country stable. The future of Iraq is VERY uncertain, and what we have done WILL bite us in the ass later on. The repercussions are yet to be seen, but the area is on precarious footing.

 

Simply giving a society a shiny new constitution doesn't mean the country will pull through. We've seen this play out in the 1940's, 1950's, and 1960's. Simply telling people to switch to Capitalism and Democracy doesn't work. Many times, it fails and authoritarianism comes in yet again. The form of government doesn't matter as much as the STABILITY and STRENGTH of the government. In many ways, the country would have been better off under Saddam.

 

The problem was that Sadam wasn't an effective leader who could significantly grow the economy. But that might have been due to us starving his people.

 

and I'm pretty sure I'm getting off-topic

 

 

I'm pretty sure the only people that rejoiced about were Iran, and the various s**tbags in Palestine, that like burning and trampling on US flags.

The 'sh*tbags' in Palestine have their reasons for hating the 'sh*tbags' in the US and Israel

 

and understand Iran a bit more before telling them to f*ck themselves

 

http://newamericamedia.org/2011/09/911-rai...n-relations.php

Edited September 12, 2012 by E.A.B.

[kietotheworld]

^ he was talking to the guy he quoted, mate, and about the wars in the sandbox - not about you and your squabble with dumbassbuffet.

 

GunWrath, I just wanna give you a thumbs up for putting that so nicely. Good to see somebody sticking it to the morons.

The morons are the ones who sit on the sidelines cheerleading because they aren't smart enough to form a sound argument themselves.

[Bellic 4 life]

I'm pretty sure the only people that rejoiced about were Iran, and the various s**tbags in Palestine, that like burning and trampling on US flags.

The 'sh*tbags' in Palestine have their reasons for hating the 'sh*tbags' in the US and Israel

Such as reprisals for attacks on Jewish settlements?

[E.A.B.]

 

I'm pretty sure the only people that rejoiced about were Iran, and the various s**tbags in Palestine, that like burning and trampling on US flags.

The 'sh*tbags' in Palestine have their reasons for hating the 'sh*tbags' in the US and Israel

Such as reprisals for attacks on Jewish settlements?

Which settlements? The ones built illegally on Palestinian land?

 

Hey bro, we all know Palestinians have been sh*t on way more than Israelites. This isn't even about the violence anymore. This is about Palestinians growing up in camps because 'oh, we'll get around to giving you guys a place to live...someday'

 

f*ck Israel. f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck Israel. Why the f*ck are they such a powerful lobby in the US? Legitimate question here. More than HALF of the hatred people have for the US in the middle-east would disappear overnight if we didn't feel the need to keep giving Israel weapons. In b4 'Israel has a right to kick Palestinians off their land, f*cking HITLER.'

 

Hitler you piece of sh*t, your legacy is the Palestinian-Israelite conflict

 

and in case you didn't see the link I edited into my toast:

 

 

The 9/11 tragedy also resulted in a brief thaw in U.S.-Iran relations as Iran offered its air space and landing fields to the United States in its attacks on al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It created increased positive feeling on the part of ordinary Iranian citizens for the United States and its people.

Edited September 12, 2012 by E.A.B.

[kietotheworld]

I'm pretty sure the only people that rejoiced about were Iran, and the various s**tbags in Palestine, that like burning and trampling on US flags.

The 'sh*tbags' in Palestine have their reasons for hating the 'sh*tbags' in the US and Israel

Such as reprisals for attacks on Jewish settlements?

Hey bro, we all know Palestinians have been sh*t on way more than Israelites. This isn't even about the violence anymore. This is about Palestinians growing up in camps because 'oh, we'll get around to giving you guys a place to live...someday'

 

f*ck Israel. f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck Israel. Why the f*ck are they such a powerful lobby in the US? Legitimate question here. More than HALF of the hatred people have for the US in the middle-east would disappear overnight if we didn't feel the need to keep giving Israel weapons. In b4 'Israel has a right to kick Palestinians off their land, f*cking HITLER.'

 

Hitler you piece of sh*t, your legacy is the Palestinian-Israelite conflict

 

and in case you didn't see the link I edited into my toast:

 

 

The 9/11 tragedy also resulted in a brief thaw in U.S.-Iran relations as Iran offered its air space and landing fields to the United States in its attacks on al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It created increased positive feeling on the part of ordinary Iranian citizens for the United States and its people.

In all fairness, Israel sh*ts on Palestinians because since the foundation of the state Arabs have attacked Israel and completely refuse to accept its right to exist. If you'd come from Europe where they'd tried to exterminate you, and when you return to your promised land, more people try to exterminate you, I think it's normal to treat those people badly if you survive their attacks, purely for security reasons.

 

As for the US funding Israel, I can't really see the logic behind it either from a national interest point of view, but there are a lot of wealthy Jews in the US, and wealth plays a massive role in the amount of political influence one has there, or anywhere for that matter.

[E.A.B.]

 

I'm pretty sure the only people that rejoiced about were Iran, and the various s**tbags in Palestine, that like burning and trampling on US flags.

The 'sh*tbags' in Palestine have their reasons for hating the 'sh*tbags' in the US and Israel

Such as reprisals for attacks on Jewish settlements?

Which settlements? The ones built illegally on Palestinian land?

 

Hey bro, we all know Palestinians have been sh*t on way more than Israelites. This isn't even about the violence anymore. This is about Palestinians growing up in camps because 'oh, we'll get around to giving you guys a place to live...someday'

 

f*ck Israel. f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck Israel. Why the f*ck are they such a powerful lobby in the US? Legitimate question here. More than HALF of the hatred people have for the US in the middle-east would disappear overnight if we didn't feel the need to keep giving Israel weapons. In b4 'Israel has a right to kick Palestinians off their land, f*cking HITLER.'

 

Hitler you piece of sh*t, your legacy is the Palestinian-Israelite conflict

 

and in case you didn't see the link I edited into my toast:

 

 

The 9/11 tragedy also resulted in a brief thaw in U.S.-Iran relations as Iran offered its air space and landing fields to the United States in its attacks on al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It created increased positive feeling on the part of ordinary Iranian citizens for the United States and its people.

In all fairness, Israel sh*ts on Palestinians because since the foundation of the state Arabs have attacked Israel and completely refuse to accept its right to exist. If you'd come from Europe where they'd tried to exterminate you, and when you return to your promised land, more people try to exterminate you, I think it's normal to treat those people badly if you survive their attacks, purely for security reasons.

Here's a better example for you:

 

If 1,000 white guys go into China and say 'okay, China, get the f*ck out, this is ours now', then what could POSSIBLY GO WRONG LOL! I mean, sure, the Chinese have been living there for over 1,000 years, but it says here in my copy of 'White mans White Word:The bible' that we once lived here over 1 million years ago! So this is ours now, thanks! Get the f*ck out! Don't like it? Hey, Super power, start exterminating anyone that passes this border! China is ours now

 

And quit being so anti-white geez ;_; quit hatin' on us gosh. Cause...uhh...Hitler.

 

The Jews were only marginally better than the Nazi party when they decided to f*ck over Palestine with the help of the colonial western powers who didn't give a sh*t about the will of the people that already inhabitted that land.

 

The sad part is, as long as those Jews keep living on that land, and extending their settlements, soon the justification for this argument will be moot because they will have resided in there for so long. And lord knows Israel will NEVER be the one bartering, I mean, if America celebrates Jewish holidays (despite Jews being such a TINY fraction of the population), then America is all in for Israel.

 

Israel should have never been f*cking founded

Edited September 12, 2012 by E.A.B.