Are leaks possible?

[mvega0422]

 

**Attention: Rockstar employees do not "leak" game details. It's never happened in the past and it won't happen in the future. Please think before you post, and use common sense.**

It seems like every wannabe-mod feels the need to post this as soon as a potential leak or rumor is mentioned.

 

Please understand something: the developers of GTA V (and every other game) have signed paperwork and contracts promising they will not leak information. You only make yourself look stupid by pointing such an obvious thing out. The very definition of a leak is when an employee who is signed to confidentiality/ND agreements decides to go against that agreement (or breach that contract) by releasing information.

 

By its very definition, there is no way to say an employee "does not leak details" and it's even more ignorant to say that "it won't happen in the future." To say this is to say that you know every single Rockstar employee personally. Of course GTA Forums is going to post this on their page; they are the biggest GTA-related forum on the web, and their ownership has an interest in staying on R*'s good side.

 

If this thread gets locked, good; that's less people I have to argue with about something so trivial and ridiculous.

 

TL DR: There is always the possibility of a leak when you have 500+ people with access to one of the world's most popular games, and to say otherwise is extremely irrational and goes against logic.

 

Edit: It's similar to saying, "a police officer doesn't do illegal drugs in his patrol car, and never will, because we haven't caught them doing so and it is against the oath they took when they received their badge." It's an absolutely untrue statement, and it makes you look like you're defending them unconditionally without regard to logic.

Edited September 4, 2012 by mvega0422

[Eagle-Eye]

I didn't read it but

Yes, I did buy Taco Bell, thank you for asking.

I hope your pet Lizard gets better soon.

[dumbassbuffet]

yet the only way we can be sure is if it comes from rockstar official PR. no matter how nice it would be to have a synopsis complete with every nook and cranny outed this early in marketing / development, it's just unrealistic.

am I saying leaks are impossible, no. What I am saying is that they're too unreliable to be considered as evidence.

 

EDITED: to bring attention to my point.

Edited September 4, 2012 by dumbassbuffet

[mvega0422]

 

I didn't read it but

Yes, I did buy Taco Bell, thank you for asking.

I hope your pet Lizard gets better soon.

Reported for being off-topic; my post discusses the possibility of GTA V leaks, while your post goes against the terms and conditions you agreed to when you joined this forum.

 

@dumbassbuffet: I agree that there have been no leaks, but I believe the possibility is always there and apparently both the management of this forum and some of its members have trouble understanding this.

[Mr.Mordecai]

I think people are forgetting about Deepthroat......

[Adriaan]

Personally, I agree with everything you said. San Andreas itself was leaked from the factory it was being printed at two weeks before release (and made available online) + manual scans.

 

I think it's highly unlikely an employee would go and take the time to write up a long post. When you work on something you're proud of, you'd rather it be discovered and enjoyed the appropriate way.

 

The way any info would leak is by way of someone mentioning something to someone else. I think that is a good possibility. The person who started the multiple protagonist rumor (a writer on Kotaku) has some good connections with Rockstar. This was before we knew anything about the game. Similarly, a year or so ago, there was a rumor that came via Eurogamer, a reputable gaming source, about Rockstar doing research for a game in Hollywood. Another games website talked about something similar.

 

Shortly after, the Telsey & Company casting call leaks came out that pointed to a Southern Californian based game.

[TheRedBull]

Ask Bradley Manning, he can tell you all about how to leak confidential information

 

OT: A leak is definitely possible. The game is in development for almost 5 years now. They can't shut everyone working on it up for that timespan. Be it a beta tester or a graphic designer or whoever, someone is bound to talk.

[dumbassbuffet]

 

Personally, I agree with everything you said. San Andreas itself was leaked from the factory it was being printed at two weeks before release (and made available online) + manual scans.

 

I think it's highly unlikely an employee would go and take the time to write up a long post. When you work on something you're proud of, you'd rather it be discovered and enjoyed the appropriate way.

 

The way any info would leak is by way of someone mentioning something to someone else. I think that is a good possibility. The person who started the multiple protagonist rumor (a writer on Kotaku) has some good connections with Rockstar. Similarly, a year or so ago, there was a rumor that came via Eurogamer, a reputable gaming source, about Rockstar doing research for a game in Hollywood. Another games website talked about something similar.

 

Shortly after, the Telsey & Company casting call leaks came out that pointed to a Southern Californian based game.

I apologize in advance for multiple posts, "Spamming" is not my intention.

You are 100% correct in this regard. the leaks did manage to have some truth to them. what I think most people's problem is when someone comes up with a "leak" that says 'my dad works for rockstar and he let me play the entire grand theft auto five game yessiree, the main character has a sun named kevin' (the spelling / grammar was intentional there) and a ridiculous amount of people believe them.

leaks should be accompanied with evidence which I believe the Hollywood leak did have.

[mvega0422]

 

Personally, I agree with everything you said. San Andreas itself was leaked from the factory it was being printed at two weeks before release (and made available online) + manual scans.

 

I think it's highly unlikely an employee would go and take the time to write up a long post. When you work on something you're proud of, you'd rather it be discovered and enjoyed the appropriate way.

 

The way any info would leak is by way of someone mentioning something to someone else. I think that is a good possibility. The person who started the multiple protagonist rumor (a writer on Kotaku) has some good connections with Rockstar. This was before we knew anything about the game. Similarly, a year or so ago, there was a rumor that came via Eurogamer, a reputable gaming source, about Rockstar doing research for a game in Hollywood. Another games website talked about something similar.

 

Shortly after, the Telsey & Company casting call leaks came out that pointed to a Southern Californian based game.

Well, it's great to see that Adriaan's intelligence hasn't been hampered by being a Forum Leader. But it does make me sad that the higher-up leadership/management/development/ownership/etc still thinks its ok to write:

 

 

**Attention: Rockstar employees do not "leak" game details. It's never happened in the past and it won't happen in the future. Please think before you post, and use common sense.**

 

Anyways, my job is done here. I just wanted to point out that we have a ridiculous message at the top of every single page, and we have people constantly quoting it to become a mod instead of putting in the work like people like Adriaan.

 

@dumbassbuffet: I wouldn't consider it double posting as long as there's a post in between both of them, which there is; otherwise, you were also correct by making that edit to your older post a few minutes ago.

 

Edit: I'm not saying any of the leaks or rumors released thus far have any legitimacy; I'm just saying that there's always the possibility of a legitimate leak and it's ignorant to think otherwise.

Edited September 4, 2012 by mvega0422

[gtasadude]

A leak is certainly possible, but the fact is that without proof, all leaks are going to be met with hefty caution. It's so easy to make something up about this game, the possibilities are endless, so even the 'real' leaks are often ignored. But yeah, the message bothers me also

[wwinterj]

It's possible sure but we will never know if things are real or not. It's best to take any rumours with a pinch of salt. With all of them flying about I'm sure at least some of the things "leaked" will be true.

 

At the moment though from legit "leaks" nothing has given much away at all and it seems possible for some to be true.

[Exkabewbikadid]

Yes, leaks are entirely possible and the disclaimer at the top of the forums is there merely to deter people from posting the 99.9801% of rumors that are complete bs and not actual leaks.

[Baron-Samedi]

Great read and valuable points no one know for sure whats is or not true people and there ego can't or won't recognise this because it goes against what they wanted

 

People can take it or leave not automatically leave it as soon as it says leaked not every employee are angels that do everything by the book and can eventually talk about projects to friends ect.....And you know how it is rumors can be A and turn out to be A+B

Edited September 4, 2012 by Baron-Samedi

[Adriaan]

The disclaimer was put there when the linked rumors came about. I know for a fact that the last two were faked (the two North devs). We also know the Gamescom employee one was faked.

[mvega0422]

 

Yes, leaks are entirely possible and the disclaimer at the top of the forums is there merely to deter people from posting the 99.9801% of rumors that are complete bs and not actual leaks.

So the reason for a false disclaimer is to discourage kids from discussing certain things? Why can't we be honest about it? Seems similar to the government propoganda regarding "reefer madness" just to get people to fear cannabis.

 

Edited September 4, 2012 by mvega0422

[Eagle-Eye]

R* Employees sometimes do leak stuff but its a high percentage chance they won't because they're mature.

 

They signed contracts & stuff, i know. But they can go onto 4chan or something as "Anonymous" and leak it. Therefore, they'll have no suspicions of being blamed for when the leak runs loose.

 

Currently we won't know whether the leaks are real or not, we'll see once the game is out.

Then we'll have our chance of saying "Oh yeah, that leaker was completely Right/Wrong"

[Adriaan]

To be fair, from the past, mods left open the ones that seemed plausible (think casting call leaks, the Hollywood research ones). The majority of others are clearly faked when they are these huge lengthy stories or faked linked accounts, which anyone can create.

 

Don't want to say too much but I don't know of any other legitimate rumor which happened since the multiple protagonist one from Kotaku last October. They've all been tosh since then.

Edited September 4, 2012 by Adriaan

[Exkabewbikadid]

 

Yes, leaks are entirely possible and the disclaimer at the top of the forums is there merely to deter people from posting the 99.9801% of rumors that are complete bs and not actual leaks.

So the reason for a false disclaimer is to discourage kids from discussing certain things? Why can't we be honest about it? Seems similar to the government propoganda regarding "reefer madness" just to get people to fear cannabis.

Well, for every actual leak there are 56468541651 made up rumors. My point is that an actual leak is so statistically low that it's not worth enduring everyone and his retarded dog posting endless rumors in hopes that one of them actually turns out to be true.

[damian001]

What do they have to gain from leaking anything? I'm sure the staff at Rockstar is one huge dedicated team, and the work they put into their games is what makes them so great.

 

"Yeah, guise let's all work on a multi-million dollar project for 5 years and then leak details before its release."

 

Seriously? lol.

[Oldsmobile]

Weren't the GTA IV map and manual leaked about a month before release? They were posted to all the major fansites, but were taken down a few hours later.

[cityspud]

I always thought that.. well said. Should really be either changed or removed. But it doesn't annoy me that much so i wouldn't be fussed if it stayed the same... which it more than likely will.

[mvega0422]

 

Yes, leaks are entirely possible and the disclaimer at the top of the forums is there merely to deter people from posting the 99.9801% of rumors that are complete bs and not actual leaks.

So the reason for a false disclaimer is to discourage kids from discussing certain things? Why can't we be honest about it? Seems similar to the government propoganda regarding "reefer madness" just to get people to fear cannabis.

Well, for every actual leak there are 56468541651 made up rumors. My point is that an actual leak is so statistically low that it's not worth enduring everyone and his retarded dog posting endless rumors in hopes that one of them actually turns out to be true.

I hate to argue, but I can't resist making a painfully obvious point.

 

It should be the moderators' job to rid the forum of too many "leak" posts. It seems as though they put the disclaimer there to save them work. And don't give me that sh*t about how "it's a tough job being a moderator" because I can name a dozen people on this forum who would make wonderful moderators and put their heart and soul into the job for zero money. I'm on this GTA V forum every day for approximately 1-2 hours in total and I'm certain I read every single post. There's not a post I miss; with all due respect, it's really nowhere near as bad as you make it sound.

[Adriaan]

 

Weren't the GTA IV map and manual leaked about a month before release? They were posted to all the major fansites, but were taken down a few hours later.

It was San Andreas. More like two weeks I believe. Someone from the plant stole a copy and leaked the manual. Also, he uploaded the game for download.

 

That person was caught, arrested by the FBI, and went to prison.

 

Here's an old rage comic I made that tells the story: http://i.imgur.com/JuZcZ.png

Edited September 4, 2012 by Adriaan

[Oldsmobile]

 

@Oldsmobile 

It was San Andreas. More like two weeks I believe. Someone from the plant stole a copy and leaked the manual. Also, he uploaded the game for download.

 

That person was caught, arrested by the FBI, and went to prison.

I distinctly remember photographs of GTA IV's map and manual appearing online. They were removed from the fansites shortly after, and we were prohibited from talking about it on the forums, but I do remember it happening.

 

Here's a (not very good, admittedly)link: http://n4g.com/news/127860/gta-iv-map-for-ps3-leaked

 

Better link: http://www.gtagaming.com/news/comments.php?i=1219

 

Dear God! We're not still prohibited from talking about that, are we? I didn't just get myself banned, did I?

 

I was (partly) wrong. Only the map was leaked. Not the manual.

Edited September 4, 2012 by Oldsmobile

[damian001]

Weren't the GTA IV map and manual leaked about a month before release? They were posted to all the major fansites, but were taken down a few hours later.

The map "leak" you're talking about was from the 3rd trailer released 4 months before the game. Someone correctly guessed that the map was featured on the dashboard of the LSPD Predator to the left of the screen.

 

 

 

As for the manual, I'm pretty sure it was just a few people who got the game a couple of days before release via mail or store. I remember seeing the early gameplay videos on YouTube haha.

[cityspud]

It all seems a tad drastic if you ask me... FBI, Banning people.. prohibiting free speech.. Christ, it's only a game after all.

[Oldsmobile]

Weren't the GTA IV map and manual leaked about a month before release? They were posted to all the major fansites, but were taken down a few hours later.

The map "leak" you're talking about was from the 3rd trailer released 4 months before the game. Someone correctly guessed that the map was featured on the dashboard of the LSPD Predator to the left of the screen.

 

 

 

As for the manual, I'm pretty sure it was just a few people who got the game a couple of days before release via mail or store. I remember seeing the early gameplay videos on YouTube haha.

Nope. I remember that, but it's not what I was talking about.

[Stoic Intrusion]

so trivial and so obvious and yet you need to make a thread where you write alot but say nothing. oh the irony.

[damian001]

 

Weren't the GTA IV map and manual leaked about a month before release? They were posted to all the major fansites, but were taken down a few hours later.

It was San Andreas. More like two weeks I believe. Someone from the plant stole a copy and leaked the manual. Also, he uploaded the game for download.

 

That person was caught, arrested by the FBI, and went to prison.

 

Here's an old rage comic I made that tells the story: http://i.imgur.com/JuZcZ.png

Sh*t, I did not know that. When GTASA came out in 2004, I did not own a PS2, I only had a PC to play III and VC with. When news of SA came out, I promptly left the forums for a good year and knew NOTHING of the game until I got it for PC in October 2005. I guess I did a good job avoiding this whole forum while actively playing MTAVC and vc-mp

[Adriaan]

 

It all seems a tad drastic if you ask me... FBI, Banning people.. prohibiting free speech.. Christ, it's only a game after all.

If you're going to steal something from your workplace, make that game available online for anyone to download, and violate a confidentially clause in a contract you signed, that justifies being arrested for.