The programming for the vehicles;

[douggoud]

You guys just can't go a day without having some sort of discussion/argument about consoles and pc's can you? it's sad really.

 

Anyways, on topic, it's not just a GTA thing, JC2 and SR3 were the same, and pretty much how most open world games are I would figure. It's just limitations, it'll be done away with someday I'm sure.

[JoeJoeMcTwist]

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

yeah I don't get him. His logic is kinda queer if you ask me.

 

I found seeing the same car as I'm driving pretty annoying as well. Especially when you get into a big noticable car like a Patriot. I've heard the excuse that it's to save processing but it should be reserved for average looking cars. One street in bohan had a full street with 50 cars parked on it. all the same. Hopefully they find a better solution to this in V. I'm sure its possible even on current gen hardware.

[Mig10]

 

The consoles are limited to a very small amount of RAM and the amount of data needed to cache and spawn and display multiple types of cars makes it very hard to get more than a handful of car models to appear at once on the current gen of consoles.  Don't like it?  Build a PC and join the 21st century.  Until then you'll have to deal with your 5 year old calculators.

It happens on pc as well, it is a coding thing, and the reason is quite obvious, they could multiply the let's say 3 cars on the ram instead of the one that i'm driving.

Edited September 4, 2012 by Mig10

[Adriaan]

@Mig10

Yes it's a coding thing designed to combat hardware limitations on consoles. It was just a bad port on PC on that part in that they didn't redesign the spawning game manager to take advantage of increased resources on PCs.

[Chukkles]

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

yeah I don't get him. His logic is kinda queer if you ask me.

 

I found seeing the same car as I'm driving pretty annoying as well. Especially when you get into a big noticable car like a Patriot. I've heard the excuse that it's to save processing but it should be reserved for average looking cars. One street in bohan had a full street with 50 cars parked on it. all the same. Hopefully they find a better solution to this in V. I'm sure its possible even on current gen hardware.

You know how much money I made selling Turismo's and Infernuses I spawned on that street.

Well over 20,000, it's a good street to have ingame.

[Ubermacht]

 

To all you retarded inbreeds who don't understand how computer processing, RAM, and computer graphics work.  In order to have models on screen you have to have them cached in working memory (RAM) and the consoles are limited to very little VRAM compared to modern PC's.  Also the processing power of the PC in terms of game logic AND computer graphics has increased by several dozen factors since the release of consoles.  Enabling more complete and varied graphics than what the 5 year old consoles have to offer.  Educate yourself on how hardware works before you make illogical superfluous statements backed by no technological know-how whatsoever.

And to all you single-celled organisms who don't understand not everyone is stupid, or they just don't care, not everyone wants a PC, or can afford a decent one and go with the cheaper (easier) alternative.

 

 

And I'm pretty sure this will be reduced in V. IV wasn't exactly optimised due to it having been released at the start of the console generation.

Edited September 4, 2012 by E28

[Kifflom112]

You guys just can't go a day without having some sort of discussion/argument about consoles and pc's can you? it's sad really.

 

Anyways, on topic, it's not just a GTA thing, JC2 and SR3 were the same, and pretty much how most open world games are I would figure. It's just limitations, it'll be done away with someday I'm sure.

Kol true.

[gamerzworld]

 

This is something I've never understood. If I drive a rare/unique vehicle like a Hotring or NRG(GTA SA) for example, this problem doesn't happen.

 

I've always assumed R* just didn't care about this problem, because it seems like it would be an easy fix. Why can't they just write a code that tells the game, "don't spawn the vehicle the player is currently driving"? Or "don't spawn more than ...". It must not be a priority, which is understandable, because it's not even close to being a big deal.

Rare and unique vehicles are not defined to spawn in traffic or only in certain areas with scarce frequency. The pop manager can only spawn vehicles that have been setup by Rockstar to spawn in traffic and can be limited to spawn in certain areas only with a certain frequency of spawning.

[packardcaribien]

I was always bothered by this, but I guess if it's a RAM limitation, how about they base the 5 cars completely off of the district you're in instead of what car your driving. Like, no Inferni show up if you are driving an Infernus in Idlewood, but if you go to Mulholland there are a few. Just an idea.

[grandola]

So can someone who has knowledge on this explain the APC argument? Couldn't they just apply that code to expensive vehicles?

[Kifflom112]

 

To all you retarded inbreeds who don't understand how computer processing, RAM, and computer graphics work.  In order to have models on screen you have to have them cached in working memory (RAM) and the consoles are limited to very little VRAM compared to modern PC's.  Also the processing power of the PC in terms of game logic AND computer graphics We'rehas increased by several dozen factors since the release of consoles.  Enabling more complete and varied graphics than what the 5 year old consoles have to offer.  Educate yourself on how hardware works before you make illogical superfluous statements backed by no technological know-how whatsoever.

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

Nobody has time for your stupdity. Stop being a prejudice prick. > Gosh what has this place become? That's worse than trolling.

Edited September 5, 2012 by Kifflom112

[Ana Belial]

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

Nobody has time for your stupdity. Stop being a prejudice prick. > Gosh what has this place become? That's worse than trolling.

i already reported him man

[Bellic 4 life]

lolol! You mad bro?

 

jk but chill.

No, I could care less what losers do with their incoherent, unintelligent, diarrhea from the mouth just as long as it isn't so condescendingly directed towards me.

Starting up the flames. Here we go....

 

Get ready.......

[Kifflom112]

 

lolol! You mad bro?

 

jk but chill.

No, I could care less what losers do with their incoherent, unintelligent, diarrhea from the mouth just as long as it isn't so condescendingly directed towards me.

Starting up the flames. Here we go....

 

Get ready.......

Why does it say I posted at 1:ooam? I was asleep by 12 last night. It's 9pm now.

 

^^^Original post.

K' first of all, why was this the result of a 3 day temporary ban? There was no moderator who warned us to get back on topic, and there were flame wars everywhere. And if you originally referred to my comment towards this user who decided to post some idiotic homophobic comment, how was I not to get annoyed by that? It was really just ridiculous.

Edited January 19, 2013 by Kifflom112

[Raynos]

Why does it say I posted at 1:ooam? I was asleep by 12 last night. It's 9pm now.

A very simple answer to a very complex problem.

You are a time traveller, you went into the future, posted your comment around 1.ooam and went back to sleep at 12.

 

[Kifflom112]

Why does it say I posted at 1:ooam? I was asleep by 12 last night. It's 9pm now.

A very simple answer to a very complex problem.

You are a time traveller, you went into the future, posted your comment around 1.ooam and went back to sleep at 12.

good one.

[DRN94]

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

You don't even know me. Your comment is just as ugly as you are as a person.

[Cha Boy Jesus]

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

You don't even know me. Your comment is just as ugly as you are as a person.

Where are you from? what flag is that?

[BlackNoise]

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

You don't even know me. Your comment is just as ugly as you are as a person.

I don't agree with his comment, but he doesn't need to know you when you advertise your sexuality.

[Chriss0906]

The consoles are limited to a very small amount of RAM and the amount of data needed to cache and spawn and display multiple types of cars makes it very hard to get more than a handful of car models to appear at once on the current gen of consoles. Don't like it? Build a PC and join the 21st century. Until then you'll have to deal with your 5 year old calculators.

buddy did u see metal gear solid ground zeroes gameplay trailer?

kojima told in the interview that those graphics and that game whas going to run in current gen consoles.

you have been brainwashed by PC fanboys, i have a beast PC but i have consoles too. the consoles can do alot specially the PS3

im not being a fanboy but its a fact that the PS3 processor its far superior than 360.

just take a look at naughty dog games. so son you should try to learn before you speak im just tyred of people like you, years ago whas 360 vs PS3

now pc gamers have build some sort of EGO and i hate that sh*t, yes PCs are better than consoles big f*cking deal, but that doesnt make consoles terrible, after all. consoles runs the same games as PCs do

enjoy your systems and shut up

[_L1pE_]

If the problem is limited blablabla then how come this same problem doesn't happen with other GTA-like games?

[brian.]

Long story short: The car you are in is always being rendered. The game is always streaming in and out cars, map objects, and so on. When something gets a bit heavy, it is the traffic variation that is hit first, along with scaling back the level of detail (pop in). That is to say, when you are in a car anyway, it needs to be there, but others don't.

 

You can probably safely assume that Rockstar is fine with this, since when you wreck your car, and like that kind, don't you want another? I've always liked it, although yes, between zones in GTA IV, that was annoying when the same car you are in would end up everywhere when the memory is somehow stuffed up. Marvelous work otherwise.

[AlienWillHeMonsta]

If the problem is limited blablabla then how come this same problem doesn't happen with other GTA-like games?

The 'problem' has always been inherent in other GTA games.

 

Play Road To Bohan in GTA Race multiplayer. At the start of race, on the first corner you'll see a line of cars or bikes parked on both side of the road. They're all the same vehicle character models except in different colours. On consoles memory (RAM) limits the number vehicles that can be held in memory at one time.

[theworldfamous]

If the problem is limited blablabla then how come this same problem doesn't happen with other GTA-like games?

The 'problem' has always been inherent in other GTA games.

 

Play Road To Bohan in GTA Race multiplayer. At the start of race, on the first corner you'll see a line of cars or bikes parked on both side of the road. They're all the same vehicle character models except in different colours. On consoles memory (RAM) limits the number vehicles that can be held in memory at one time.

That's in singleplayer too... take any car over the bridge from Algonquin into Bohan and turn right. It's either coded in, or a bug they left in because it's non-destructive and pretty convienent.

[gamerzworld]

If the problem is limited blablabla then how come this same problem doesn't happen with other GTA-like games?

That's kind of hard to judge seeing as how there are only a select few games that come close to the scale of GTA. However, I've seen clumping worse or just as worse in both Saints Row and the new Sleeping Dogs.

[stee_vo]

 

The consoles are limited to a very small amount of RAM and the amount of data needed to cache and spawn and display multiple types of cars makes it very hard to get more than a handful of car models to appear at once on the current gen of consoles.  Don't like it?  Build a PC and join the 21st century.  Until then you'll have to deal with your 5 year old calculators.

Someone's holding a grudge against consoles! I can smell it!

 

 

And FYI, the PS3 and 360 were made in the 21st century.

 

Edit: Yes, i know the PS3 and the 360 are old and they aren't anywhere near up to date.. Just had to say it

Edited September 5, 2012 by stee_vo

[ClareXoBearrx3R9]

 

It's a funny that a homosexual is saying that when he is the obvious freak & anomaly of nature.

You don't even know me. Your comment is just as ugly as you are as a person.

Oh, for the love of f*cking vagina!!!

How much must people argue over stupid sh*t?

 

Your original statements were factually true. Consoles do not have much RAM and PCs are far superior in that matter on most modern systems. However, when the consoles originally came out, they were great --- primarily because of the GPU. However, due to the nature of technology and its rapid improvements and developments, 5 year old hardware cannot possibly be compared to current hardware.

 

The problem is, people say PCs are superior. That statement alone is false. Standard PCs don't come with massive GPUs; you have to specify it or look for a PC that's built more for gaming than regular personal use. All the computers for example in my home did not originally have the most powerful GPU; in fact, they were all basic. Old games that didn't require anything major did run, albeit slow. So to say PCs are superior to consoles is a false statement without proper justification, which the said sentence lacks. If you invest in a PC with a better GPU, enough RAM, and a modern processor that's hopefully quad core, then yes --- such a PC would out-power a console.

 

I used to be a primary PC gamer, but I never gamed a lot due to the limitations of reality. I got a PS3 3 years ago and got GTA IV not long after. That's when I first started using the PS3. Now in my household, the PS3 is far superior for GAMING than any PC in my home, but that's in terms of the GPU. Even my current computer (the one I'm typing on right now) is just essentially a netbook. It does not have a GPU, but there is a generic GPU built-in to the processor which is an Intel Core i7m.

 

Basically what some people fail to realize is that PCs and consoles have their pros and cons. Moreover, it's not that consoles are worse than PCs --- it's just at this point in time, their outdated. Modern games often have to be stripped down of certain things, in order to be compatible with consoles.

 

Ultimately, sure, you could get a decent gaming PC for around $900. But, I don't have $900 just laying around that I can pull out of my ass. Moreover, I'm in college right now, which requires much more than $900 which is obviously more important than gaming to a logical civilian. So unless you're either rich or running off Mom and/or Dad's pocket, realize that not everyone has the money to invest in such a PC. Yes, $300 is also a lot of money for a PS3, but there's several advantages with that all games for the platform will run. No doubts. With a PC, it depends on your hardware which sometimes you'll find your hardware isn't good enough. Then you have to wait to play a game until you've acquired the proper hardware.

 

So, I'm not saying one is better than the other, since, in order for such a statement to be true, there would be multiple issues to address. PS3s and XBoxs are designed primarily for gaming. PCs can also be used for this, but most PCs are called PCs because they're for personal computing (checking e-mail, word processing, etc).

 

Anyhow, seeing as I agree with what DRN94 said, it's a matter of the tone that it was said in. Not everyone knows and/or understands concepts behind computing, but that's okay. Everyone has their expertise and specializes in different things. Perhaps you didn't mean to come out like that and perhaps you were pissed off and/or stressed out over something else (as you mentioned), but it's a common error to transfer your anger to others when it's not necessary and frowned upon.