Shmoopy Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) Wait , isn't Big Boss already dead or is that just Solid Snake with an eye patch ? Are you banned on Google, or what? I stopped playing MGS since 3 , never knew that solid snake grew a moustache and wore an eye patch Edited February 6, 2014 by Manfred Von Karma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantThinkOfOne2013 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Not a joke at all. I'll take deep stealth over mindless mayhem any day - especially after V butchered the driving physics and wasted development time with yoga and GTAO. As bad as GZ looks I'm sure it won't be anywhere near as disappointing. Yoga is now an excuse for ruining the game? What are you, 10? You are a biased MGS Fanboy, clearly. It offers nothing apart from the story. That's it. No replayability. GTA V is an open world game where you pretty much can do anything. GTAO is good, it was ambitious but obviously, bugs should have been expected as well as screamers on the mics. MGS V is the only open world MGS game coming out. Boxman108 should check out this topic if he is complaining about Yoga and GTA Online (which I can sum up with the following: great game, terrible players, and you can't blame the game for that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 GTAO is a joke. The only fanboy here is you seeing as you're blind to Rockstar's greed and incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantThinkOfOne2013 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 GTAO is a joke. The only fanboy here is you seeing as you're blind to Rockstar's greed and incompetence. Rockstars greedy with GTA Online, why? cash cards? On your logic optional cash cards are greedy, but the requirement to pay real money for additional content rather than unlocking it and the requirement to pay real money for something as simple as an additional character slot in game that only has 4 hours of single player gameplay is perfectly fine. Metal Gear Solid 4 was a cash grabber, Metal Gear Ground Zeros is no different, so you shouldn't go calling people fanboys because you are one yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 As much as I love Metal Gear Solid series, I just completely can't agree that "4 hours is plenty when the gameplay is more substantial than anything GTA has to offer.". What do you call substanial here? The fact that you pay $40 for a 3-4h tutorial set in, as I learned now, only one open-world stage. I know I'm gonna love it anyway, but ranting on GTA V because of yoga or GTA: Online (which are optional, you silly) is just a one funny excuse. The 4 hour comment was in regards to MGS4, not GZ. In the case of yoga and GTAO being optional, the harm was done with wasting development time when they could have been making the main game at least decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zancudo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 GTA V was much more than decent, with all the possibilites it gave to the player. But nevermind. Game Informer's preview of Ground Zeroes: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/ ... ign=bufferThe ending is reportedly one of the most shocking moments in the history of the series, now that is interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 GTAO is a joke. The only fanboy here is you seeing as you're blind to Rockstar's greed and incompetence. Rockstars greedy with GTA Online, why? cash cards? On your logic optional cash cards are greedy, but the requirement to pay real money for additional content rather than unlocking it and the requirement to pay real money for something as simple as an additional character slot in game that only has 4 hours of single player gameplay is perfectly fine. Metal Gear Solid 4 was a cash grabber, Metal Gear Ground Zeros is no different, so you shouldn't go calling people fanboys because you are one yourself. MGS4 was hardly a cash grab compared to GTAV. The reason V is so praised and overrated is due to hype and fanservice and dumbing it down and pretty much selling out. GTAIV was at least genuine, as was MGS4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantThinkOfOne2013 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) GTAO is a joke. The only fanboy here is you seeing as you're blind to Rockstar's greed and incompetence. Rockstars greedy with GTA Online, why? cash cards? On your logic optional cash cards are greedy, but the requirement to pay real money for additional content rather than unlocking it and the requirement to pay real money for something as simple as an additional character slot in game that only has 4 hours of single player gameplay is perfectly fine. Metal Gear Solid 4 was a cash grabber, Metal Gear Ground Zeros is no different, so you shouldn't go calling people fanboys because you are one yourself. MGS4 was hardly a cash grab compared to GTAV. The reason V is so praised and overrated is due to hype and fanservice and dumbing it down and pretty much selling out. GTAIV was at least genuine, as was MGS4. As I mentioned before, I have the avatar and member title that I have because of ignorant posts like yours. Here is your 'logic': 4 hours of gameplay + online where you have to pay money for extra content and additional characters slots = hardly a cash grab, 25 hour campaign + uncountable more hours of gameplay + online where you can unlock and earn extra content and additional character slots are free = cash grab. Quit being a fanboy and a story whore. There is no way that anyone can deny the fact that MGS4 is a cash grabber. Edited February 6, 2014 by CantThinkOfOne2013 FranklinDeRoosevelt, B Dawg and UtricularEwe001 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 There's just no hope for people like you. If you prefer 25 hours of mediocrity to 4 of great gameplay then so be it. "Story whore" huh? I'm guessing that is just your way of defending the stupid bs that makes up GTAV's sorry excuse for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantThinkOfOne2013 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) There's just no hope for people like you. If you prefer 25 hours of mediocrity to 4 of great gameplay then so be it. "Story whore" huh? I'm guessing that is just your way of defending the stupid bs that makes up GTAV's sorry excuse for one. I feel that there is no hope for people like you who think a game's story can fix every issue in a game. I prefer GTA V's gameplay as it's more open, varied and diverse but even if I did prefer MGS4's gameplay, 4 hours is not enough regardless of quality, that being said, I do understand that gameplay is a quality > quantity thing, take Mass Effect 2 for example, that game had 30 hour of gameplay but that gameplay was garbage, quality > quantity is also why I prefer GTA V's missions over GTA IV's missions, but a line has to be drawn when too short is too short), and this is sort of a cop out response as you did not even respond the the cash grabber argument. And 'Story Whore' is a term I used which replaced the old 'graphics whore' term, it describes people like you who think that story is the only aspect of a game that matters. Edited February 7, 2014 by CantThinkOfOne2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) There's just no hope for people like you. If you prefer 25 hours of mediocrity to 4 of great gameplay then so be it. "Story whore" huh? I'm guessing that is just your way of defending the stupid bs that makes up GTAV's sorry excuse for one. 4 hours? You prefer 4 hours of gameplay....HALF of it's cutscene, cutted out of the full game, put into another disc, instead of a full game that gives you at least 100 hours worth of gameplay in SP alone? Seriously, if you're going to support Kojima for doing this, why don't you go suck his dick and then commit suicide, eh? I mean GTA V isn't perfect by no means, but at least it tried and it done well. Edited February 7, 2014 by FranklinDeRoosevelt CantThinkOfOne2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 No, GTAV is crap. Going by your logic Skyrim should be the best game ever because it has 300+ hours of mind numbing gameplay. V is flat out not fun so it does not matter one bit how much is padded out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtricularEwe001 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 No, GTAV is crap. Going by your logic Skyrim should be the best game ever because it has 300+ hours of mind numbing gameplay. V is flat out not fun so it does not matter one bit how much is padded out. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion,man. To me (and millions) GTA V is GOTG CantThinkOfOne2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zancudo Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 You seriously think a 1,5h prologue (Game Informer said they weren't even rushing it) is more substantial than GTA V? What the hell is wrong with you? Especially when PS4/XONE players have to pay $40 for this tutorial. And no, GTA V is not crap. It's just not your type of game. CantThinkOfOne2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantThinkOfOne2013 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 There's just no hope for people like you. If you prefer 25 hours of mediocrity to 4 of great gameplay then so be it. "Story whore" huh? I'm guessing that is just your way of defending the stupid bs that makes up GTAV's sorry excuse for one. 4 hours? You prefer 4 hours of gameplay....HALF of it's cutscene, cutted out of the full game, put into another disc, instead of a full game that gives you at least 100 hours worth of gameplay in SP alone? Seriously, if you're going to support Kojima for doing this, why don't you go suck his dick and then commit suicide, eh? I mean GTA V isn't perfect by no means, but at least it tried and it done well. To be fair, he was talking about MGS4 when talking about the 4 hours of gameplay as I mentioned that game saying that it only had 4 hours of gampelay, so Ground Zeros only having 2 hours does not surprise me at all. Boxman108 did actually say that Ground Zeros was overpriced, but I will put all my money on it that he will be defending it's two hours because 'it's about the story', that is the same reason he was defending MGS4's obvious cash grabbing. Boxman108 should check out the Gamespot forums, it's full of story whores who think people who praise GTA V are fanboys, he would fit right in. No, GTAV is crap. Going by your logic Skyrim should be the best game ever because it has 300+ hours of mind numbing gameplay. V is flat out not fun so it does not matter one bit how much is padded out. For starters, GTA V is not crap, and no one is going on the logic that the more gameplay hours makes the better game, for example, GTA IV had a longer story mode than GTA V, but I still prefer GTA V. A line has to be drawn when too short is too short, and MGS4 and Ground Zeros are below that line. And you can say that V is flat out not fun, but you sound like the sort of person who would defend Mass Effect 2's awful gameplay. UtricularEwe001 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Yes, it seems some lack reading comprehension as I'm defending 4, not GZ. GZ should not even be sold separately in the first place. The only reason I was going to get it at all and let that slide is because of claims that it would be substantial. News of the main mission taking under two hours(and supposedly a speedrun in 5 minutes) has made me cancel my preorder and wait to get it used. But as for MGS4, at the very least it is a self contained story that doesn't require you to probably shell out another $60 for the actual main game. And judging from the past games there was no reason to expect it to be ultra long. Who knows - maybe there were false promises being made about it or something - I wouldn't know as I only got into the series in 2010. Even so, being short does not make a game awful or negate great gameplay mechanics. Neither does a heavy story. My favorite may be Peace Walker, which has a little more balance between gameplay and story, and has alot more content(perhaps rivaled by 2 with its VR missions and Snake Tales), but my favorite thing to do with each of the older games is to replay them for better scores and times and since I skip the cutscenes they aren't a problem. They have a ton of replayability. GTA doesn't have nearly as much depth. The casualness of it is pretty much the selling point. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, only it is less interesting and thus less fun. But V took it to new levels with its bs. They f*cked up the physics, put TONS of scripted stuff in missions so you can't possibly fail, added useless features like yoga that would have been better off as one time jokes. Not to mention online with its embarrassing start, features that have STILL not yet been added. and R* changing the payouts to absolute sh*t so you have to grind more than you would in an old school RPG. And as much as I liked Trevor he could not save the storyline - yes, story matters a lot. Maybe not for Mario but certainly for those that hope to be sophisticated. I was excited for it at first after how gloomy 4 was but it became clear to me it is an all around shallow attempt at nostalgia, adding in features from San Andreas, only half assing it on them. Perhaps the only good thing to come from it has been the map itself. ME2 had decent gameplay...that said I really didn't like the gameplay of the ME series and the story in the 3rd wasn't as good as the first two. Edited February 9, 2014 by Boxman108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I can't really comment on MGS4, the only time I played it was a once through playthrough on someone elses console. I still own the game but never have owned a PS3. I can't confirm if it was a "cash grab" however it was definitely partially bullsh*t fan service. I mean you cannot deny that the whole wedding part came out of nowhere and was completely pointless. As was that whole aspect of the story, giving a face and a voice to Johnny, how is that true metal gear? I never really enjoyed MGS4, I am sure I would enjoy it more with a better controller, playing more of the gameplay, and understanding every little detail of the story better. But it really was just tripe in my eyes. Especially as the previous game MGS3 was my favorite and god damn epic. I think the main problem is we were hoping for a whole lot more. News hit in the last few days that MGSV could be out anywhere from as early as october 2014, to december 2015. Now that is a pretty long f*cking wait which I will no doubt assume it will be a 2015 release, maybe not december but at least 2015. It may not be that important about how much content is in the game, I just want to be certain that the gameplay and Kojima's quote on the fact you can replay it many different ways, actually is true or not. Because they say that about everything, who gives a f*ck if there is a vent a door or a window to get into the building, it needs to have hundreds of things like that to fully make use of the world. And that is still just one map it seems. If it has the replayability of the old hitman games, I could understand it, but I just don't believe that it will have enough replayability as anything else priced the same. I hear it has some sort of multiplayer though. hopefully co-op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The story is probably the worst part of MGS4 but even then it has its moments. Although 2 was its own story for the most part I do feel 4 was necessary as a conclusion to it. The gameplay is my favorite part sans act 3...I think it should have stuck to war zones like the first two acts and should have had human enemies as well as the robots in act 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think what made it not feel right for me is the standard formula for MGS games. -Lone soldier, infiltrates base with little to no equipment. It didn't feel that way this time, and I really disliked the Old Snake approach. Didn't like the stupuid stache and awful sneaking suit. Hopefully there might be a way of playing it on PS4 in the future, either download or stream but I may be waiting a while on that. I just hope for some of that true MGS feel like what we used to get in 1, 2 and 3. I want to feel like the odds are not stacked in my favor and that I really need to stay hidden and have that fear of being discovered. I pretty much ran through MGS4 one shotting everyone in the head. It seemed too easy. Really they should have just made a proper version of peace walker as the prologue to release. Without the awful comic book cutscenes, and having real in game dialog and bringing back the codec, with all those awesome conversations in the audio files. Then saving all the new content for the big release. I just don't want it to suck, because I fear it might. Maybe not as much as 4 but I haven't liked the route it is going lately. I want at least some form of realism and normality to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I still reckon 1 was the absolute best. A pinnacle in the gaming industry. 2 and 3 were awesome as well. 4 is batsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtricularEwe001 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Kojima update (difference between last gen and current gen) http://www.konami.jp/mgs5/gz/en/products/compare.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Tehee! Only the frame rate changed for Xbox. That sucks tbh. The Xbox One has a better upscaler than the 360 though, doesn't it? FranklinDeRoosevelt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iiGh0STt Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I can only hope this game has the potential the trailer has shown us. I was disappointed when I saw the release for 360/PS3 versions, which makes me wonder how capable the engine they are using for next gen really is. 720p or 1080p means nil in terms of what the game can actually do. I have played both ONE and PS4 at 720p and 1080p, on a 55 or 60 inch and messed with literally every setting possible. you have to be an eagle eyed stephen hawking to notice the difference. stop sitting so damn close to the tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3BB13 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm pumped for Ground Zeroes. I'm well aware that it's not supposed to be very lengthy, but I got several hours out of the Rising demo alone, so I know I'll get a lot more than just two hours out of GZ. I also happen to be getting it for free, so that's always a plus. I don't really play a lot of video games anymore so GZ will be more than enough for me for a little while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I heard that many story details including the ending have been leaked... has anyone heard about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Freeman Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Boxman is a soon-to-be-banned member in the MGSForums. Please ignore everything he has to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Soon to be banned for not being a complete moron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W3BB13 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Let's keep this nonsense at MGSF, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 http://store.sony.jp/Special/Game/Ps4/Metal-gear-solid-v/index.html Do want. I haven't got a PS4 yet but if they release that for europe I will be all over that like flies on sh*t. Usually I don't care about special editions or unique controllers or consoles, but with a unique controller it will get rubbed and ruined and it is stupid to get a custom controller if you intend on using it. However it would be quite funny to still have an MGS PS4 for the next decade. Probably won't come out for other regions or be very limited. Also, 1080p 60fps for PS4, and 1080p 30fps for Xbox One. The trend still follows, so yeah, why would anyone want it for xbone I have no idea. I will probably grab it on 360 to begin with. Try out the lame raiden themed stuff, then switch to PS4. I want some details on the mentioned multiplayer by kojima. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC PATROL Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) I could have made that Special Edition PS4 myself lol. Also I wish MGSV was Next-Gen exclusive. More polish for the superior versions. I understand PS3/Xbox 360 sales blahblahhh but we may not see another MGS title for who knows how long. I cannot wait for when all games coming to XB1/PS4 will be exclusive to them and not cross-gen. Edited February 18, 2014 by NYC PATROL Daz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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