Theodore93 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I don't think being a hardcore fan excuses making bad purchase decisions. I consider myself a pretty serious Metal Gear fan and I'd love to play Ground Zeroes but I just can't bring myself to pay that price for a game that short. I'm all for quality over quantity but that can only go so far. At the end of the day, I don't care how good the gameplay is or what franchise it is, it's a £20 demo, a f*cking outrage and just a further example of everything wrong with the industry these days. I do want to play it, I really do but not even the mighty Kojima is going to get me to throw common sense and value for money out the window just for a sliver of gameplay. Homemade Dynamite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) I don't think being a hardcore fan excuses making bad purchase decisions. I consider myself a pretty serious Metal Gear fan and I'd love to play Ground Zeroes but I just can't bring myself to pay that price for a game that short. I'm all for quality over quantity but that can only go so far. At the end of the day, I don't care how good the gameplay is or what franchise it is, it's a £20 demo, a f*cking outrage and just a further example of everything wrong with the industry these days. I do want to play it, I really do but not even the mighty Kojima is going to get me to throw common sense and value for money out the window just for a sliver of gameplay. The game has a lot of replay value and isn't even expensive. I killed 25 or something hours into it and i still find it fun from time to time. Honestly it sounds like you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Edited May 5, 2014 by tuareg FullMetal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore93 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) Any game can be replayed for an infinite number of hours, that doesn't make it good value for money and it's expensive for what it is. The number of hours you personally got from replaying is meaningless. I've played GTA V for nearly 400 hours, doesn't mean the game's worth £400. Edited May 5, 2014 by Waldie Homemade Dynamite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homemade Dynamite Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Give a f*cking break, already. If you don't like it - simply don't buy it. Meanwhile people like me, hardcore fans, have a hell of a fun with this "demo", because it's great. I was personally more impressed with it than with plenty of full games. It's a perfect thing for soothing a hype for The Phantom Pain. Gamefly ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman108 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 If you're a hardcore fanboy, simply shut up and let the more intelligent criticise anti-consumer bullsh*t. This thread isn't just for praise, believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Any game can be replayed for an infinite number of hours, that doesn't make it good value for money and it's expensive for what it is. The number of hours you personally got from replaying is meaningless. I've played GTA V for nearly 400 hours, doesn't mean the game's worth £400. Lol, why are you even arguing? Come back when you've played the game for f*ck's sake. @boxman: And that's supposed to be you? The one who single-handedly shat up mgsf with everything but intelligent criticism? Yeah didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore93 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) Any game can be replayed for an infinite number of hours, that doesn't make it good value for money and it's expensive for what it is. The number of hours you personally got from replaying is meaningless. I've played GTA V for nearly 400 hours, doesn't mean the game's worth £400. Lol, why are you even arguing? Come back when you've played the game for f*ck's sake. Because it seemed like anyone who dared criticise the game was accused of not being a real fan of the series. As a hardcore Metal Gear fan myself, I resent this implication and felt compelled to speak up. Sure I'll come back but it may be a while as I'll just have to wait until I can get it for £10 or less. My conscience just won't allow me to pay any higher than that. Edited May 6, 2014 by Waldie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zancudo Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) If you're a hardcore fanboy, simply shut up and let the more intelligent criticise anti-consumer bullsh*t. This thread isn't just for praise, believe it or not. Oh, f*ck that. Prologues are the positive future of gaming. They'll serve as a "breakfast" for hardcore fans who can't wait to get their hands on full games. Meanwhile people who aren't really sure if it's a good idea to buy such prologue, may have two options: A) wait till the price drops, B) screw this "expensive demo omggg, I'm so intelligent and anti", and wait for the full game. Edited May 6, 2014 by Zancudo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) Any game can be replayed for an infinite number of hours, that doesn't make it good value for money and it's expensive for what it is. The number of hours you personally got from replaying is meaningless. I've played GTA V for nearly 400 hours, doesn't mean the game's worth £400. The GTA analogy is terrible. GTA costed £45 brand new (60$), not $400 so that makes your point invalid. I just wanted to say that. The fact that you got 400 hours out of a £45 game proves that the game is worth it's price. The rest can go to hell. Edited May 6, 2014 by FranklinDeRoosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homemade Dynamite Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 If you're a hardcore fanboy, simply shut up and let the more intelligent criticise anti-consumer bullsh*t. This thread isn't just for praise, believe it or not. Oh, f*ck that. Prologues are the positive future of gaming. They'll serve as a "breakfast" for hardcore fans who can't wait to get their hands on full games. Meanwhile people who aren't really sure if it's a good idea to buy such prologue, may have two options: A) wait till the price drops, B) screw this "expensive demo omggg, I'm so intelligent and anti", and wait for the full game. Wow, so you actually want less content in games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think the point of this game was to be a "starter" until the "main course" arrives. The problem I think is the price, which is strictly my opinion. Other people might share this idea with me, others will not. But games shouldn't be coming out like this on purpose, it gives money grabbing, stupid business ideas a whole new concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatD4VIS-360 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 If you're a hardcore fanboy, simply shut up and let the more intelligent criticise anti-consumer bullsh*t. This thread isn't just for praise, believe it or not. I don't see how being a "hardcore fanboy" makes anyone less intelligent and insulting people in no way gives you credibility. Saying shut up is just proof that you have no reasomable point to offer in the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homemade Dynamite Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I think the point of this game was to be a "starter" until the "main course" arrives. The problem I think is the price, which is strictly my opinion. Other people might share this idea with me, others will not. But games shouldn't be coming out like this on purpose, it gives money grabbing, stupid business ideas a whole new concept. GZ should have been a pack-in with Castlevania 2, as had been done with MGS2 with ZOE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore93 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) Any game can be replayed for an infinite number of hours, that doesn't make it good value for money and it's expensive for what it is. The number of hours you personally got from replaying is meaningless. I've played GTA V for nearly 400 hours, doesn't mean the game's worth £400. The GTA analogy is terrible. GTA costed £45 brand new (60$), not $400 so that makes your point invalid. I just wanted to say that. The fact that you got 400 hours out of a £45 game proves that the game is worth it's price. Probably shouldn't have bothered saying that. Of course GTA V wasn't £400 ($ if you like), I never said it was. Way I see it, replay value shouldn't count for much when it comes to pricing a game. Good replay value is great but it's no more than a bonus. Therefore the fact that tuareg got 25 hours of fun out of replaying GZ doesn't mean the game is worth a £25 price tag. By that logic, I should probably owe Rockstar £350 (give or take). Right? No, of course not. Also, yes, GTA V was definitely worth it's price but not because I spent 400 hours on it. Simply because it took 30 or so hours to complete the story, not to mention GTA online was enough to make it worth while. The replay value is great but ultimately irrelevant. Edited May 6, 2014 by Waldie Th3MaN1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) We have gone over the pricing way too many times. On one hand, I don't care, because obviously MGS fans will buy it if it is $100. On the other hand, it is only hardcore fans even buying the game, so it just makes it a completely pointless purchase for anyone who isn't heavily into the series. It is an overpriced demo. But we know this already, the game is f*cking amazing though. The main thing that annoyed me was that it was marketed to us as a full retail game from the beginning so I have always expected WAY more out of it than we ended up being told at the "2hours long" point in time. If it was an arcade title and priced that way, I would have seen it further off and not have gotten excited for any of it. Because you can only get so much replayability that isn't forced out of one medium sized map with little to no differences between each mission op. The price and size of the game is dumb for anyone other than fans, and if you are a fan, then it is dumb because we really didn't get f*ck all story out of it that we should have. Even if they had included all cutscenes from PW to tie the story in for those that didn't play it, as well as all the audio files from PW that some people might not have unlocked. They did with the Paz tapes but nothing else. Though the gameplay is amazing, I felt robbed of a game, because they already f*cking showed us all the cutscenes in the game before it was released. Also this: Edited May 26, 2014 by Daz Th3MaN1 and FullMetal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twang. Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) I Redbox'd this bitch (partly because I'm broke and partly because I don't agree with the pricing). I played the main mission and a few side ops before I took it back, so I didn't get too deep into it, but I got the gameplay mechanics and such, which I thought felt good. Much sneaking and feels were had, so I got the main things I want out of a Metal Gear game anyway. I'm kinda hoping it's included with Phantom Pain. If not, I suppose I'll keep an eye out for it on the cheap when it's been out for a year. They snuck a snuke in her snizz. Edited May 31, 2014 by Twang. FullMetal and Daz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetal Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 DEM FEELSDAT FIDDLEMUCH PLAYEDSNAAAAAKKEEEEEEE Seriously... I understand alot of the complaints... but overall. T'is f*cking worth it. Daz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Cooper Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I paid $20 for the digital version and I have no complaints. Obviously the Ground Zeroes mission itself isn't very long, but there's five or six other missions to play and there's many different ways to play through each mission. It's already kept me busy for over 15 hours so I can't really complain considering I've gotten less time out of $60 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunWrath Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Got this earlier today from a friend. Must say, it was quite fun for such a small game. I'm excited to see what the full title will be like. Though I still prefer the old school MGS from the PS1 days.. but this was sweet as cake too. Waddy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'll probably wait for the final product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) So apparently we can expect a gameplay demo or at least something that's new on thursday on koji station. For TPP that is. Edit: HIDEO_KOJIMA @HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN nowThis week's Kojima Station will start at 9pm(6/5) in Japan time, it is pre-E3 special, planning to show just a little bit of the game. Edited June 3, 2014 by tuareg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3MaN1 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 f*ck yes. I did criticize Ground Zeroes for the pricing and length and stuff, but TPP is going to blow minds. Especially if it gets even more fleshed out, concering gameplay, which I though is already pretty f*cking awesome. I may not be able to play this badboy (f*ck economy) but I'll certainly watch a walkthrough. The only thing that kinda annoys me is the cross-gen release. I mean, it's nice that you won't have to buy a new console for this, but the new consoles are selling OK, by 2015, I think that most people who have set their money on this game will already own a PS4 or XBOX ONE. I mean, no matter how you look at it, it kinda puts the game in a cage. In some way, it's going to lose either graphical quality (which, personally, I don't give a f*ck about), development time (or people working on the game, I mean, instead of making separate teams making the 360/PS3 versions, why not bring them into the creation of the game?) or something else. But concerning another view, I don't really blame them for the cross-gen release. I mean, MGS is a huge franchise, might as well make some money out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 You have to take into account that GZ and TPP were both developed with the ps3/360 in mind as they have been in development for a very long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3MaN1 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 You have to take into account that GZ and TPP were both developed with the ps3/360 in mind as they have been in development for a very long time now. Didn't know that, thanks for clarifying. Did development start after MGS 4? Because my god that is a long-ass development time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 That's a good question. They demoed the fox engine in 2011 and it seems like they already had some areas like jungles and some desert locations covered at that point. It's safe to assume that both games as well as the engine has been in development since 2008. Th3MaN1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th3MaN1 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I see Kojima really wants to show the power of the Fox engine with this game. I saw some imagines where the lightning of the engine is compared to real-life pictures, and I was honestly pretty amazed. Thanks for the answers, appreciate it. tuareg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetal Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 One of the BIG things I'm hyped about seeing at E3. Mybodyisready and all that... for f*cking sure. The wait is terrible... and I just f*cking hope Hideo/Kojima Productions are able to fulfill every expectation. The game must be and should be HUGE. Daz and tuareg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 E3 is going to make my knob explode. I really need more details on TPP. I know it is a long shot but I would love some story or close to story co-op. Even just free-roam f*ck about as diamond dogs troops. But for now here is a gif to hold us over until next week. tuareg, Th3MaN1 and FullMetal 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 My God, that GIF is f*cking beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista J Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 That looks amazing. The scenery there is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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