spiderman3000 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You pay for PLAYING the game, not that you actually own the content within the disc itself and if the devs didn't wanted to let you play the on-disc content that time, then it is their decision. What difference does it make if the content is already on the disc or not? Check these two scenarios out: 1. A game dev makes the DLC content decides to put the contents on the disc but locks it out so that people pay to unlock it. 2. A game dev makes the DLC content but doesn't decide to put the contents on the disc and that the gamers will download the content when the pay for it. What difference is there in both these cases? You pay to play the game that the developer INTENDED for you to play. If the devs dont want you to play the on disc content without extra cash, then its the same thing as paying for the DLC, you just dont download a huge chunk(saves bandwidth by the way). So what's this hate on on disc DLC anyway? The DLC content was still developed before release but the difference is the content is on disc that you aren't allowed to play, same thing as downloading the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrCore Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 DLC is suppose to be made only if the game is a success. Not pre-made DLC with the game and a fee to unlock it. Did GTAIV release DLC immediately? What about Left 4 Dead 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman3000 Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 DLC is suppose to be made only if the game is a success. Not pre-made DLC with the game and a fee to unlock it. Did GTAIV release DLC immediately? What about Left 4 Dead 2? Huh? Only when the game is a success? I havent played a single game which didn't have DLC. And what does the examples you gave have anything to do with with what I said. Why would they put DLC on a disc to release it about a year later? I am talking about those games which already have DLCs made before release and the devs just decide to put them in the game but locks the content. You pay to play, you're never supposed to learn that there is on disc DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwalker83 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I think the reason a lot of people prefer downloadable content is you don't have to put up with lost, scratched or broken disks which mean you waste your money having to buy a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Well it seems like something that could have easily been included in the game yet they are going to charge us more for it. But it does have its purposes, perhaps they finished development early (doesn't happen often) and had some time left until release day and managed to complete the DLC and decided "Hey let's just put it on the disc and make things easier for the consumer" but then again i think they should just include it because the purpose of DLC is to make money and prolong the longevity of the game after release by continuing to develop more content for it, but since this DLC is already on the disc it isn't really a thing of continued development and longevity, it just becomes revenue raising, and day 1 DLC doesn't add longevity to the game either. I will contently pay for DLC if it comes a while after release once the original game starts to stagnate a bit because it is giving the game a refreshing boost, and it's good to know the developers did continue development after release and are trying to boost how long the game will last for us the consumers. But DLC definitely won't go away because it is making boatloads of cash for companies, and these slightly petty tactics like locked content and day 1 DLC (for reasons i explained) will continue until consumers stop buying it which is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid23455 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Because if it's on the disc, the developers clearly could have put it in the game. I don't think it will ever happen that their development cycle AND funds run out, and the team is given a completely new project, AND manages to finish it all in the small time they're going to have until the game goes gold and it's shipped. Basically, it's like taking pieces of the game off and selling them to you later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G The Generous Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 most of day one DLC were supposed to be ingame. there is no reason to spend 60$ for a full game and spend 10-20$ in the next day to get sh*t that you have already paid for what happens if Apple selling Ipod without a headphone, and you have to pay extra dollar to buy it? day one DLC is pretty much the same, too bad many game's companies are already greedy and rotten that way. in case if you don't know, Javik in ME3 was supposed to play an important role in ME3, HE WAS THE CATALYST, which make more sense than the stupid god kid. and instead of having a great plot with an awesome character, they cut him out of the game and sell it for a few dollar, leave ME3's plot become a big clusterf*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtaghost22 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Because it's already on the f*cking disk. Why are they charging extra money for for on-disk content? that's right, because they are f*cking greedy. I haven't bought any DLC this gen except the ones from R* of course, those are f*cking quality, not like the on-disk bullcrap we get from most developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Definitely trollin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exkabewbikadid Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 In the old days, developers would make expansion packs free of cost to add shelf life to their titles and expand their fan base. Now days it's a combination of consumer ignorance and corporate greed as DLC has become the bane of current-day gaming. Most consumers really hate being nickeled and dimed to death, but publishers are getting away with it for now simply because most consumers are unaware that content that should have been a part of the final product was set aside as DLC and get suckered into paying more for that content thinking that's just the way it was supposed to be. Even games that might not have on-disc DLC have arguably abused the system. Take Deus Ex HR, for example. While a fairly lengthy game on it's own, it made no sense to a take a chunk out of the middle of the plot and sell it as DLC. It was a dick move. I think one of the biggest problems is the sheer amount of garbage being developed and passed off and sold as AAA titles. One would think that this would make for a more competitive market and developers would try to outdo each other, but no. A lot of the time it's a sad case of quantity over quality with publishers breathing down developers' necks telling them to hurry up. I suppose in a perfect world DLC would be a great thing. Devs would make actual worthwhile content to expand their games and charge a fair price. EFLC was worthwhile DLC that expanded upon IV, so it's not unheard of, but until consumers learn to vote more keenly with their wallets, the situation will only get worse and garbage "AAA" titles will flourish. I, for one, passed on Sleeping Dogs because it looks like their approach to DLC will be ridiculous, so I'll wait until the game is a small fraction of the price before considering it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I find it to be an unnecesssry tease. For GTA IV for example would people liked it if the parachute was dangled as a purchasable in game item, but with a message in the lines of "Unable to purchase. Requires TBOGT"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwalker83 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 because they are f*cking greedy. No, because they have to recover the cost of making the disks, the box, the manuals, etc plus profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtricularEwe001 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Why do we hate Disc locked content? Because we already paid for it. I never bought any DLC's except TLAD and TBOGT, These are what you called Downloadable content (Extending gameplay hours after finishing the Vanilla one). I don't mind doing what's written in my member title to certain companies like Capcom and EA. If they are Greedy fu*ker's, It's the moral Responsibility for a gamer to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Cash1983 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Why ? Because i buy the disk and i must to get every thing in it its my disk not there I OWN THE DISK. They piss me off if its made in the time they make the game then release it with game not cut half the game and you must to buy it with extra 40 bucks so it costs 100 bucks. well f*ck them if i will buy there game it will be with a sale on the Complete Edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceRay Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Its simple really. If they make DLC before the game comes out then that means they were holding off content in game to get more money out of the player. Hence, we are literally getting screwed DLC is DOWNLOADABLE content, it goes against its name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Because it's DOWNLOADABLE content. And because $50-60 is enough already for the day of release. When I'm getting the disk, I ain't getting the whole content for that game - that makes me feel that the game is incomplete or smth. Edited August 14, 2012 by Street Mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendly luggage Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Some of my friends are so stupid when it comes to microtransactions. They'll spend £40 on M$ points just waste all in one go on Fifa. One friend once spent over £100 on points just for virtual players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) You pay for PLAYING the game, not that you actually own the content within the disc itself Just because you were dumb enough to fall for that doesn't mean the rest of us are that dumb. You do own the disc and everything on it. Developers and publishers have been trying to make it so that you don't own it, and as long as there are people like you who fall for that sh*t, they will be successful. The fact is, you own everything on the disk. You don't own the right to copy the data and to sell copies of it, and you don't own the right to the actual IP. But the data you bought is yours. You can sell that disk, destroy it, play it and otherwise do whatever the f*ck you want with it. And every day devs and publishers are trying to take away more of your consumer rights. And people like you just let them. Do you know how retarded it is for a consumer to defend shady business practices of big corporations? It's like a slave saying that there is nothing wrong with slavery because hey, the law says it's alright. Edited August 14, 2012 by GTAvanja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinski Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I just bought a house, but there's a huge lock on the steel door that leads into the basement. I could have a kick ass study or TV room or something down there. I got in touch with the estate agent and he told me that it'd be another £30,000 for the key to the door, and that I couldn't have the door removed thanks to the planning permission process in the area. Seems reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I havent played a single game which didn't have DLC. So you've only played modern games, then? Not even Grand Theft Auto III, Vice City, or San Andreas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwalker83 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You pay for PLAYING the game, not that you actually own the content within the disc itself Just because you were dumb enough to fall for that doesn't mean the rest of us are that dumb. That is what activation is for! Some games and software requires a membership where you have to pay for the right to use the software/game for a given length of time. While you physically own the cd/dvd you are just paying for a privilege to use the game/software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Some fools here didn't get the f*cking point in the first place. It doesn't matter if it's on Disc or off-Disc, if you made DLC BEFORE the game is released you suck. If the content is already done and not in the game just so you can make more money later, you're a greedy bastard. However when it's on the disc it's easier to find out that they already made the DLC before releasing the game. That's why people seem to hate this more than off-CD DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman3000 Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Its simple really. If they make DLC before the game comes out then that means they were holding off content in game to get more money out of the player. Hence, we are literally getting screwed DLC is DOWNLOADABLE content, it goes against its name. Devs could EASILY make DLC before the game even releases and sell them later on, so whats the point? I am damn sure 90% of game companies make DLCs before the game even releases but because of fear of getting bashed at by people, they dont put it in the disc(hidden content) You're not even supposed to know that the content was there in the first place. So I dont see what's the problem. People here have said that they bought the game and now own the disc... yes, they do. NOT the content inside of it. If the devs dont want you to access this info, its their decision, not yours. You're only allowed to play the game, not peek inside and find hidden content the devs didn't intended to unlock yet. If you did own the content, would be like giving away the whole damn game source for just 60 bucks. So you've only played modern games, then? Not even Grand Theft Auto III, Vice City, or San Andreas? Why in the world are you bringing up last gen games? There was no such thing as DLC then. Edited August 14, 2012 by spiderman3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj_Gh0zt Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Not sure if OP works for Volition Or is just an idiot. *FryFace By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game. You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman3000 Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Not sure if OP works for Volition Or is just an idiot. *FryFace By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game. You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding You seem to have a great memory I am not taking greediness of the devs into account here. Just saying that having on disc content or not having it is basically the same thing. The latter one just seems to mask and deceive you as "new" most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Gypsy Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 They hold back sh*t for the game, then charge us extra, for something already on the disc, and your asking us why we hate it?...... DLC itself is (most of the time) a rip off even if its not already on the standard disc. Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman3000 Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 They hold back sh*t for the game, then charge us extra, for something already on the disc, and your asking us why we hate it?...... DLC itself is (most of the time) a rip off even if its not already on the standard disc. Idiot. So, basically you hate DLC altogether? I am just talking about hating on disc DLC. I'm also sick of this DLC garbage but hating on disc DLC more is just absurd(see my previous comment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetal Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 OP supports being an ignorant fool and thinks everyone should be like that? Oh great... but please I bet 99% of the frequent posters here completely disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj_Gh0zt Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Not sure if OP works for Volition Or is just an idiot. *FryFace By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game. You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding You seem to have a great memory I am not taking greediness of the devs into account here. Just saying that having on disc content or not having it is basically the same thing. The latter one just seems to mask and deceive you as "new" most of the time. I do Ok, i wouldn't mind if they have a couple DLC here and there, even after the game just released, mostly because i don't care, and i probably wouldn't buy it. But they actually have the nerve to put it on the Disc. How hard would it be to put it in game if you are finished with it anyway, and have time to put it on the disc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman3000 Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Not sure if OP works for Volition Or is just an idiot. *FryFace By that logic spiderman, they could have EASILY put it in the game. You really shouldn't be talking, since you did say you are gonna pirate GTAV if it didn't have modding You seem to have a great memory I am not taking greediness of the devs into account here. Just saying that having on disc content or not having it is basically the same thing. The latter one just seems to mask and deceive you as "new" most of the time. I do Ok, i wouldn't mind if they have a couple DLC here and there, even after the game just released, mostly because i don't care, and i probably wouldn't buy it. But they actually have the nerve to put it on the Disc. How hard would it be to put it in game if you are finished with it anyway, and have time to put it on the disc? I know game devs probably dont think like this, but lets be optimistic and look on the bright side of on disc DLC. People with slow internet(I know people who still have frickin' 1Mb connections!) want to buy the DLC, but the downloading is a pain and will take a lot of time. So, having on disc DLC actually helps since you just need to download a few source files to unlock the content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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