Military 5 star instead of Swat?

[Spoil]

 

Military? To take out one asshole?

 

 

I am pretty sure That in real life, The Military won't come out after one person. Their main Job is to protect a Country not to come after a Mafia Boss.

 

I think R* would add L.A SWAT:

 

Or a FBI Special force:

 

 

 

They are Armed to the Teeth

 

Are you saying it is impractical to suggest that the military be used to kill someone who is killing hundreds of police officers and civilians and using grenades and rocket launchers, etc in highly populated areas...possibly destroying skyscrapers and interstate roadways?

 

Realistically speaking..

 

Who gets called when this one, seemingly invincible chap, kills that extremely limited number of highly trained response teams?

Edited August 14, 2012 by Spoil

[Spoil]

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[FloridaGatorPride]

hhahaha I love it!

[jamieleng]

I'd prefer to keep it realistic but that doesn't mean the military can't get involved. If you cause havoc on certain parts of the map, say near a military base or naval boat. Also, if you you were to steal an armed tank or fighter jet (which it seems will be possible in game) in real life & then proceeded to blow sh*t up, they would have no choice but to send a small military force after you. Obviously tanks/fighter jets/gunboats don't have unlimited ammo in real life & most can't be operated alone. I'm seriously over thinking this.

 

Still, if San Diego is featured in the game it would be a shame not to reference this real life GTA moment.

 

 

 

Especially seeing as no one was hurt, except for the driver. He got a bullet to the head, but respawned 6 hours later outside the local hospital, minus $100.

[krspkbl]

I really don't know. Why not have both?

 

I just want to be able to get in a jet to cause chaos and then have military jets chase after me for a bit of dog fighting above Los Santos.

[futo-GT]

I'd like to see all forms of authority chase me down, Cops,more cops,FIB,Swat and Military!! like why drop any one in favour of another? the map will be big enough to support all law enforcement to chase us down plus the fun factor of attaining all wanted *s will rise epically

a 1* chase easy to get away from

a 2* chase slightly less easy to get away

a 3* chase cops are now annoying but escape is still achievable

a 4* chase cops and FIB with choppers getting harder to escape

a 5* chase cops,FIB and noose with choppers, death is easier to come by than an escape

now imagine they put in

a 6* chase cops,FIB,Noose and military coming down on us to bring our reign of destruction to an abrupt end.

this would make all other GTA's * rating redundant

[loki18760]

I'd like a Sixth star but make it a harder thing to achieve, where the military will become involved. I wouldn't want to get my ass cooked constantly by a military heli if i decided to have a little five star fun with noose. But i want to see the military return they were fun. Just not the stupid explode everything tanks. APC's, Military Meso grande, patriots, military aircraft, and boats i would welcome back with open arms.

[UtricularEwe001]

 

Are you saying it is impractical to suggest that the military be used to kill someone who is killing hundreds of police officers and civilians and using grenades and rocket launchers, etc in highly populated areas...possibly destroying skyscrapers and interstate roadways?

 

Realistically speaking..

 

Who gets called when this one, seemingly invincible chap, kills that extremely limited number of highly trained response teams?

Do you Really think Regular Infantry have training like Special Forces?

 

Special units are especially trained for this kind of situation, They use special tactics to take out an individual with minimum collateral damage.

 

@EVERYONE asking for a tank. Special forces do use APC

 

 

[Basical25]

Yes they've had military before. But I don't wan't it anymore.

 

The overall tone of the franchise has changed and I seriously doubt R* will include them.

 

It not because it's not realistic, it's because it's makes no f*cking sense at all. MBT's and soldiers going after a guy on the streets ? OK ? What's next, nukes dropped from bombers from the sky ?

 

It just doesn't make any sense. SWAT or whatever LA special force unit, are much better trained and equipped for urban city conditions and criminal pursuit than some military soldiers.

 

If you hijack a commercial airliner, then I can definitely understand them sending a fighter after you.

[Eagle-Eye]

If Military were to come back, it should be 6 Stars.

4 Stars should be SWAT

5 Stars should be FBI

 

1, 2 & 3 should be Cops, just getting more & more aggressive till 3 Stars

[Xero Arguile]

I believe the military will return in the form of the USMC. 29 Palms is just a stone's throw away, and considering it's a Marine training base I would bet that the Marines will show up at Six Star wanted level. They are a more highly trained force then Army regulars. Also Marine IFVs like the LAV-25 and Striker would be awesome. They are also the pilots of VTOL aircraft like the Harrier II, and soon the F-35B

[gta v fanatic]

I believe the military will return in the form of the USMC. 29 Palms is just a stone's throw away, and considering it's a Marine training base I would bet that the Marines will show up at Six Star wanted level. They are a more highly trained force then Army regulars. Also Marine IFVs like the LAV-25 and Striker would be awesome. They are also the pilots of VTOL aircraft like the Harrier II, and soon the F-35B

I agree with you. The Marine base is not to far away and i can see Marines being sent in on 6 stars to go after you. They are top of the line soldiers in the Military.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

Are you saying it is impractical to suggest that the military be used to kill someone who is killing hundreds of police officers and civilians and using grenades and rocket launchers, etc in highly populated areas...possibly destroying skyscrapers and interstate roadways?

 

Realistically speaking..

 

Who gets called when this one, seemingly invincible chap, kills that extremely limited number of highly trained response teams?

highly-trained?...

 

That's the problem. NoosE/SWAT were no where near highly-trained in previous GTAs. Myself and others are just saying let's perfect the response units first to ensure they are actually highly trained before we sick the military on someone (preferable special forces @ 6 stars).

 

I understand that people want to battle the military, but loads of infantrymen chasing someone in trucks and tanks (like in SA) is a tasteless and lazy implementation of the military.

[Guest]

Why not both?

 

You run into an alley. One side is a military humvee, the other is a SWAT squad.

 

 

 

So you steal the humvee and flatten the SWAT team and take their guns

[Mr.Moffat]

Are you saying it is impractical to suggest that the military be used to kill someone who is killing hundreds of police officers and civilians and using grenades and rocket launchers, etc in highly populated areas...possibly destroying skyscrapers and interstate roadways?

 

Realistically speaking..

 

Who gets called when this one, seemingly invincible chap, kills that extremely limited number of highly trained response teams?

highly-trained?...

 

That's the problem. NoosE/SWAT were no where near highly-trained in previous GTAs. Myself and others are just saying let's perfect the response units first to ensure they are actually highly trained before we sick the military on someone (preferable special forces @ 6 stars).

 

I understand that people want to battle the military, but loads of infantrymen chasing someone in trucks and tanks (like in SA) is a tasteless and lazy implementation of the military.

I must agree here,

seems like the main complaint here is that the swat is not hard enough and that adding ''insert special forces'' would be hard to fight is flawed, this is down to the AI being tactical, not what type of law enforcement is after you, if you want a proper challenge the AI needs to be vastly improved, then the swat would cease to be such a walk in the park as some people say.

 

Personally I don't want the army to chase you again, I find it pointless, in terms of members the swat teams can be made do everything a soldier can do including weapons and armor

 

And as for military weapons why would a tank be fun or an apc be fun to be chased by? they are slow and cumbersome esp in a crowded city, you'd just run rings around them, the exact same prob happened in GTAIV with the Noose enforcers they were slow, clumsy, got stuck and when they did manage to chase you they could barely keep up, a tank would'nt be any better imo,, they only reason I feared the army in the old games was because my car would instanly blow up if I nudged a tank, but I highly doubt this will return.

 

And for the love of god do not allow the AI to fire cannons and grenade launchers at you, I don't even need to bring the overused realism argument here to explain how annoying that would be esp with ragdoll physics!

 

Now of course I would like military vehicles in the game, but only for the player, the only concession i'll make is when you are flying an aircraft, a fighter jet will be dispatched to circle you and shoot you down, as long as they don't spam missiles at you.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

Are you saying it is impractical to suggest that the military be used to kill someone who is killing hundreds of police officers and civilians and using grenades and rocket launchers, etc in highly populated areas...possibly destroying skyscrapers and interstate roadways?

 

Realistically speaking..

 

Who gets called when this one, seemingly invincible chap, kills that extremely limited number of highly trained response teams?

highly-trained?...

 

That's the problem. NoosE/SWAT were no where near highly-trained in previous GTAs. Myself and others are just saying let's perfect the response units first to ensure they are actually highly trained before we sick the military on someone (preferable special forces @ 6 stars).

 

I understand that people want to battle the military, but loads of infantrymen chasing someone in trucks and tanks (like in SA) is a tasteless and lazy implementation of the military.

I must agree here,

seems like the main complaint here is that the swat is not hard enough and that adding ''insert special forces'' would be hard to fight is flawed, this is down to the AI being tactical, not what type of law enforcement is after you, if you want a proper challenge the AI needs to be vastly improved, then the swat would cease to be such a walk in the park as some people say.

 

Personally I don't want the army to chase you again, I find it pointless, in terms of members the swat teams can be made do everything a soldier can do including weapons and armor

 

And as for military weapons why would a tank be fun or an apc be fun to be chased by? they are slow and cumbersome esp in a crowded city, you'd just run rings around them, the exact same prob happened in GTAIV with the Noose enforcers they were slow, clumsy, got stuck and when they did manage to chase you they could barely keep up, a tank would'nt be any better imo,, they only reason I feared the army in the old games was because my car would instanly blow up if I nudged a tank, but I highly doubt this will return.

 

And for the love of god do not allow the AI to fire cannons and grenade launchers at you, I don't even need to bring the overused realism argument here to explain how annoying that would be esp with ragdoll physics!

 

Now of course I would like military vehicles in the game, but only for the player, the only concession i'll make is when you are flying an aircraft, a fighter jet will be dispatched to circle you and shoot you down, as long as they don't spam missiles at you.

Exactly. Tanks, MRAPs, close air support helicopters/planes, infantrymen, marines, etc. can and should be in V for "fun"; but their roles should be implemented with taste...

 

Tanks, MRAPs, and any other APC:

 

-blocking major roads and intersections

-forming a perimeter around the protag when he stops or enters a building

-moving personnel into hostile areas (instead of having suicidal cop cars plunge towards an RPG-wielding protag)

 

Attack Helicopters and Planes:

 

-firing guns at the protag when they have a clear shot

-firing rockets when protag is outside of the city limits, has 6 stars, has no one else around him, and a verbal warning is given over the police radio ("30 sec til rocket deployment")

-constantly engaging the protag when in an aircraft and boat

 

Infantrymen and Marines:

 

-defend attacks on their installations/assets until the appropriate units arrive

-spawn at major bridges, the border, landmarks, and government buildings as active security

-parachute and rappel down into rough terrain or secluded areas to fight the protag

-firing at the protag from naval boats

 

[GarrowsKai]

This is how I would do a 6 Star military wanted level, concentrating more on the Army having smaller numbers but better tactics and weapons rather than just a constant spawn of cannon fodder which relies only on overwhelming numbers like in previous GTAs.

 

First of all, as people have said SWAT/NOoSE should be much better tactically. Have them use cover and flanking manoeuvres along with tactical grenades. After staying in one area for a certain amount of time Sniper units set up to cover your position and try to take you out, while other officers rappel down from helicopters behind your position, surrounding you.

 

However, after killing a certain number, say 80 Police/SWAT/NOoSE or 160 civilians, then due to the national security threat you have become (and let's be honest if you killed that number in one sitting you would be considered a terrorist) a Special Forces Unit comes out to take you down. Police/SWAT/NOoSE then back off to reserve status, manning some roadblocks but generally keeping out of your way.

 

6 Stars: Army Special Forces Unit.

 

Relatively small in number but very deadly and tactical fighters. Equipped with the best Assault Rifles in the game (SCAR-H) along with high grade body armour allowing them to take a bit more punishment than SWAT.

 

In the cities they deploy sniper units, smoke and stun grenades. They use 3 helicopters, one with .50cal machine guns which keeps intermittent fire on you while two other helicopters with 6 men each on jump-seats drop men in to flank you. On the ground they are supported by a few Patriots with mounted guns and a single APC with machine gun, as well as a cannon which fires on you when you're in a vehicle. In cities the heaviest gun used is a .50cal machine gun as even though the city would be largely deserted by civilians by now (evacuated/hiding and generally keeping out of the way) they still couldn't get away with blowing stuff up wholesale.

 

Out in the countryside however they can bring out the heavier weapons. Now the APC uses its cannon a lot more freely and the soldiers switch from tactical to frag grenades with the possible use of grenade launchers. The helicopter which now pursues you is armed with both rockets and guns.

 

Expanding on this, if you manage to get into the APC or steal another one from somewhere the Army brings in a Hunter, as it is specialised in the Anti-Armour role. Taking a helicopter causes the Army on the ground to use shoulder fired SAMs against you while taking a plane will mean they scramble a Hydra to intercept you, especially if you take a learjet or other fast, high flying aircraft.

 

So overall the Special Forces would use a combination of brilliant tactics and heavy weapons, although they would be limited in both numbers and ammo to balance it out a bit and still make it fun. So at most you would face 20 foot soldiers at a time (12 from two helicopters, 8 from two patriots), with one armed helicopter and one APC shadowing you, and sniper cover if you loiter in one area for a length of time. Explosives would still be used sparingly to avoid you getting swamped with grenades etc which would just be a pain really.

[Shoumaker]

I prefer military, I hated noose in GTA IV. I liked it when they attacked me with "real" tanks in the III era because I hated the apc from tbogt.

[Basical25]

I prefer military, I hated noose in GTA IV. I liked it when they attacked me with "real" tanks in the III era because I hated the apc from tbogt.

But they didnt attack you. What's the point of having a armored vehicle with a gun chasing you if it's not even gonna use it ? f*cking pointless and ridiculous.

[Spectre95]

6 stars = National Guard

Either that or make the NOOSE harder because 6 stars in GTA4 felt no different than 4-5 stars.

[Spectre95]

6 stars = National Guard

Either that or make the NOOSE harder because 6 stars in GTA4 felt no different than 4-5 stars.